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An observation on GW2 bashing.

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  • PilnkplonkPilnkplonk Member Posts: 1,532

    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    I hear a lot of talk about how GW2 is going to do this or GW2 is going to do that yet I hear absolutely nothing telling me "how" it's going to do anything. All the hype and bombastic predictions are predicated on nothing more than developer hype videos and 10 minute play sessions at gaming expos. GW is a franchise that has always been fun to play in short bursts so this tells me nothing.

    You're obviously not manly enough to appreciate the greatness of GW2 and its developers.

    Begone!

  • cali59cali59 Member Posts: 1,634

    I think the hardest thing for anybody on this forum, myself included, is realizing and accepting that other people like different things than they do.  There are MMOs on here and I find boring that other people absolutely love.

    I encourage people to be skeptical.  Not everybody is going to like every game.  Don't preorder it.  Wait for reviews.  Play a free trial.  People just need to have an open mind.  You could say this about any game.

    With GW2 specifically, I think valid criticism of the game is too few and far between.  I don't think it's that we're too blind to see possible flaws and debate points, it's that 90+% of the time, we're faced with outright bashing of the game due to misinformation.

    Another problem, to be honest, is that I don't think there is debate very often.  Someone offers a criticism, fans respond to that criticism and the discussion ends there...until the next thread where the same criticism pops up again.

     

     

     

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  • PukeBucketPukeBucket Member Posts: 867

    I think Guild Wars 2 will be samey enough to piss some people off.

    Different enough to have a legion calling it the new Caesar.

    I'll be buying it regardless just cuz it looks good and the game play intrigues me.

    I don't think giving everyone heals and a little crowd control destroys the trinity model at all tho'. That's kind of a dumb assed way to look at it.

    I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.

  • askdabossaskdaboss Member UncommonPosts: 631

    Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

    Is that in game footage from SW:TOR? Apparently the guy in the middle has some ca$h shop items (adhesive tape, helm of coolness).

    The art style is indeed "cartony" as expected...

  • CookieTimeCookieTime Member Posts: 353

    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    I hear a lot of talk about how GW2 is going to do this or GW2 is going to do that yet I hear absolutely nothing telling me "how" it's going to do anything. All the hype and bombastic predictions are predicated on nothing more than developer hype videos and 10 minute play sessions at gaming expos. GW is a franchise that has always been fun to play in short bursts so this tells me nothing.

    There are a lot of reasons why GW2 broke the hype record on this site and the lack of information is not one of them.

    And to the OP..... well, nevermind. Whatever helps you sleep at night..

    Eat me!

  • PiezoPiezo Member Posts: 7

    Originally posted by cali59

    I think the hardest thing for anybody on this forum, myself included, is realizing and accepting that other people like different things than they do.  There are MMOs on here and I find boring that other people absolutely love.

    I encourage people to be skeptical.  Not everybody is going to like every game.  Don't preorder it.  Wait for reviews.  Play a free trial.  People just need to have an open mind.  You could say this about any game.

    With GW2 specifically, I think valid criticism of the game is too few and far between.  I don't think it's that we're too blind to see possible flaws and debate points, it's that 90+% of the time, we're faced with outright bashing of the game due to misinformation.

    Another problem, to be honest, is that I don't think there is debate very often.  Someone offers a criticism, fans respond to that criticism and the discussion ends there...until the next thread where the same criticism pops up again.

     

    I completely agree with you. This is actually the reason I cancelled my pre order for SWTOR (not hating on the game btw, just decided against being an early adopter). I want to wait it out and see how SWTOR and GW2 turn out. I think that I will be trying this approach with all MMO"s in the future:

    1. Watch gameplay videos before release and read about the game if I'm really interested but don't buy into the hype!

    2. Wait for release and observe first impressions.

    3. Wait about a month and see how people's opinions have changed or haven't changed.

    4. Hope for a free trial.

    5. Try it out, make myself play it for a few weeks.

    6. Formulate my own opinion on the game and decide if it's worth continuing or not.

     

    I don't think it's worth it to buy into the hype or be an early adopter because you are just setting yourself up for failure. There are plenty of cases with products that were hyped up so much and turned out to be utter trash. I'm not saying GW2 or SWTOR will be that, but we gotta give it a chance before mindlessly bashing or praising it.

     

     

  • Creslin321Creslin321 Member Posts: 5,359

    Originally posted by czekoskwigel

    Originally posted by CookieTime

    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    I hear a lot of talk about how GW2 is going to do this or GW2 is going to do that yet I hear absolutely nothing telling me "how" it's going to do anything. All the hype and bombastic predictions are predicated on nothing more than developer hype videos and 10 minute play sessions at gaming expos. GW is a franchise that has always been fun to play in short bursts so this tells me nothing.

    There are a lot of reasons why GW2 broke the hype record on this site and the lack of information is not one of them.

    And to the OP..... well, nevermind. Whatever helps you sleep at night..

    They are the same reasons for every other game that topped the charts in the past 5 years... And those fanbois thought it was perfectly justified as well.  And each of them, of course, thought that their game was the exception, that it was everyone else who was dillusional.

    All this argument leads to is that you shouldn't get hyped for ANY game because there is a possibility you will be wrong.  But well...that's dumb.

    We, as players, really want a good game to play so when we hear about a game that has good videos, features, plays well at cons and other events, good dev team behind it, good design...we get excited.  What's wrong about this?

    As I see it, it's only wrong when you are basically in "denial" about a game that really isn't that good and you're trying to convince yourself that it is.

    With GW2 specifically, I see no reason to believe that it won't be good.  The only real negatives that I've heard people harp on are no mounts and the ability to teleport around.  Since mounts are almost always nothing more than a speed buff, I could care less about them.  And I liked being able to teleport everywhere in UO so being able to teleport is fine in my book.

    If ANet pulls something like Mythic where they say that they had to cut 2 classes and all cities but one before release, I will worry.  But for now, I see no reason to worry about GW2 other than just to be contrary on purpose.

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  • czekoskwigelczekoskwigel Member Posts: 458

    Originally posted by Creslin321

    Originally posted by czekoskwigel

    Originally posted by CookieTime

    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    I hear a lot of talk about how GW2 is going to do this or GW2 is going to do that yet I hear absolutely nothing telling me "how" it's going to do anything. All the hype and bombastic predictions are predicated on nothing more than developer hype videos and 10 minute play sessions at gaming expos. GW is a franchise that has always been fun to play in short bursts so this tells me nothing.

    There are a lot of reasons why GW2 broke the hype record on this site and the lack of information is not one of them.

    And to the OP..... well, nevermind. Whatever helps you sleep at night..

    They are the same reasons for every other game that topped the charts in the past 5 years... And those fanbois thought it was perfectly justified as well.  And each of them, of course, thought that their game was the exception, that it was everyone else who was dillusional.

    All this argument leads to is that you shouldn't get hyped for ANY game because there is a possibility you will be wrong.  But well...that's dumb.

    We, as players, really want a good game to play so when we hear about a game that has good videos, features, plays well at cons and other events, good dev team behind it, good design...we get excited.  What's wrong about this?

    As I see it, it's only wrong when you are basically in "denial" about a game that really isn't that good and you're trying to convince yourself that it is.

    With GW2 specifically, I see no reason to believe that it won't be good.  The only real negatives that I've heard people harp on are no mounts and the ability to teleport around.  Since mounts are almost always nothing more than a speed buff, I could care less about them.  And I liked being able to teleport everywhere in UO so being able to teleport is fine in my book.

    If ANet pulls something like Mythic where they say that they had to cut 2 classes and all cities but one before release, I will worry.  But for now, I see no reason to worry about GW2 other than just to be contrary on purpose.

    Fanbois have been using that same reasoning for all of their games for years.  Haven't all games had "good videos, features, plays well at cons, good dev team, good design. "   Yah, so far, nothing special there that hasn't been there for every other game. 

    It still comes down to being in denial, because they are refusing to acknowledge the possibility that this game could suck just like every other game that had as much hype.

  • sirphobossirphobos Member UncommonPosts: 620

    What is the point of these threads, really?

    Some people like the features GW2 is offering and will play that.  Some people prefer the features SWTOR is offering and will play that.  Same with TSW, Planetside 2, etc.  Some people will try multiple games on the horizon and make up their own mind.  Some people are burned out on MMOs in general and will try none of them.

    I really doubt someone's opinion will be swayed by someone's rant on a message board.  And even so, who cares if someone likes a game different from the one you like?  I played EQ1 for years when WoW dwarfed its subscriber numbers.  I tried WoW and thought EQ1 was the superior game.  Yet why would I waste my time going to message boards trolling WoW players and trying to convince them to play EQ1?  I just don't get it.

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183

    Originally posted by Creslin321

    Originally posted by czekoskwigel

    Originally posted by CookieTime

    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    I hear a lot of talk about how GW2 is going to do this or GW2 is going to do that yet I hear absolutely nothing telling me "how" it's going to do anything. All the hype and bombastic predictions are predicated on nothing more than developer hype videos and 10 minute play sessions at gaming expos. GW is a franchise that has always been fun to play in short bursts so this tells me nothing.

    There are a lot of reasons why GW2 broke the hype record on this site and the lack of information is not one of them.

    And to the OP..... well, nevermind. Whatever helps you sleep at night..

    They are the same reasons for every other game that topped the charts in the past 5 years... And those fanbois thought it was perfectly justified as well.  And each of them, of course, thought that their game was the exception, that it was everyone else who was dillusional.

    All this argument leads to is that you shouldn't get hyped for ANY game because there is a possibility you will be wrong.  But well...that's dumb.

    We, as players, really want a good game to play so when we hear about a game that has good videos, features, plays well at cons and other events, good dev team behind it, good design...we get excited.  What's wrong about this?

    As I see it, it's only wrong when you are basically in "denial" about a game that really isn't that good and you're trying to convince yourself that it is.

    With GW2 specifically, I see no reason to believe that it won't be good.  The only real negatives that I've heard people harp on are no mounts and the ability to teleport around.  Since mounts are almost always nothing more than a speed buff, I could care less about them.  And I liked being able to teleport everywhere in UO so being able to teleport is fine in my book.

    If ANet pulls something like Mythic where they say that they had to cut 2 classes and all cities but one before release, I will worry.  But for now, I see no reason to worry about GW2 other than just to be contrary on purpose.

    DIdn't you know it's impossible to be excited about something, without being a rabid unconditional supporter of the product.  Anyone who looks forward to something obviously has no sense of reason, there's no way they would understand nothing is perfect.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • EvilGeekEvilGeek Member UncommonPosts: 1,258

    Originally posted by Distopia

    DIdn't you know it's impossible to be excited about something, without being a rabid unconditional supporter of the product.  Anyone who looks forward to something obviously has no sense of reason, there's no way they would understand nothing is perfect.

    Nothing is perfect? Well you obviously haven't seen my hair, and no I don't use hairspray, waaaaay not manly enough, concrete does the job nicely.

    Apart from my hair, you are right nothing is perfect because we build up unrealistic expectations based on hype, it's easy to predict that there will be plenty of naysayers come the release of any over-hyped title for that reason alone, I have to admit the first few seconds of the GW2 demo was a little bit of a let down, what do you mean it only feels like a game? Dunno what I was expecting but my hype level was obviously way too high, it was nonetheless fantastic fun after that initial 'why haven't I been transported to blissful nirvana' feeling.

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  • DarkPonyDarkPony Member Posts: 5,566

    Originally posted by CookieTime

    There are a lot of reasons why GW2 broke the hype record on this site

    True.

    Here's one: "Anet not hosting official forums and spreading their fanbase out over multiple genre and fan sites for over 9000% more word of mouth marketing in true divide and conquer fasion"

    Edit: and If you think that won't make much of a difference, imagine the hundreds of thousands of Swtor fans catered for by the swtor.com forums running rampant on sites like mmorpg.com.

     

     

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183

    Originally posted by EvilGeek

     



    Originally posted by Distopia



    DIdn't you know it's impossible to be excited about something, without being a rabid unconditional supporter of the product.  Anyone who looks forward to something obviously has no sense of reason, there's no way they would understand nothing is perfect.


     

    Nothing is perfect? Well you obviously haven't seen my hair, and no I don't use hairspray, waaaaay not manly enough, concrete does the job nicely.

    Apart from my hair, you are right nothing is perfect because we build up unrealistic expectations based on hype, it's easy to predict that there will be plenty of naysayers come the release of any over-hyped title for that reason alone, I have to admit the first few seconds of the GW2 demo was a little bit of a let down, what do you mean it only feels like a game? Dunno what I was expecting but my hype level was obviously way too high, it was nonetheless fantastic fun after that initial 'why haven't I been transported to blissful nirvana' feeling.

    ROFl, I just use eggs who needs hair grease? Too damn expensive, real men like to stink by midday. :)

    You and Czeko do make a fair point there, there are those who let their hype lead them on far too much.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • OmnifishOmnifish Member Posts: 616

    Originally posted by DarkPony

    Originally posted by CookieTime

    There are a lot of reasons why GW2 broke the hype record on this site

    True.

    Here's one: "Anet not hosting official forums and spreading their fanbase out over multiple genre and fan sites for over 9000% more word of mouth marketing in true divide and conquer fasion"

    Edit: and If you think that won't make much of a difference, imagine the hundreds of thousands of Swtor fans catered for by the swtor.com forums running rampant on sites like mmorpg.com.

     

     

    Actually the reason there's no offical forums is that official forums aren't, 'dynamic' enough.  Official forums also aren't, 'innovative'.  In case you didn't know Guild Wars 2 is, 'dynamic', and, 'innovative'.  Therefore Guild Wars 2 doesn't have official forums because it's, 'dynamic' and, 'innovative'!  ;)

     

    In all seriousness the lack of physical violence means an internet discussion, (especially MMO's), will quickly turn into a frothing mass of hysteria.  Even those who tow a middle line will find themselves drawn into bitching contests aginst internet tough guys.  Everyone's superduper when you don't have a puny face to smash :P

     

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  • channel84channel84 Member UncommonPosts: 585

    Nobody sensible will bash gw2. There's nothing to bash, other than personal preference. So far i haven't come across any bad preview for it yet.

  • kastakasta Member Posts: 512

    I'm buying it.  I bought GW.  I just thought GW looked pretty but played badly.  I'm hoping that GW2 doesn't turn out the same way.

  • RefMinorRefMinor Member UncommonPosts: 3,452
    I for one will be glad when both TOR and GW2 are out and people have had a chance to realise they are just games, they haven't been lifted up by the rapture/ had their illnesses cured from playing them. A plague on both their houses( if they had housing)
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183

    Originally posted by channel84

    Nobody sensible will bash gw2. There's nothing to bash, other than personal preference. So far i haven't come across any bad preview for it yet.

    All bashing is due to personal preference, so considering that, I guess there's nothing to bash about any game coming or going.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • PilnkplonkPilnkplonk Member Posts: 1,532

    Originally posted by Distopia

    Originally posted by channel84

    Nobody sensible will bash gw2. There's nothing to bash, other than personal preference. So far i haven't come across any bad preview for it yet.

    All bashing is due to personal preference, so considering that, I guess there's nothing to bash about any game coming or going.

    What if I just like to bash things?

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