EvE needs to change fundamntaly, to aless Strategic focus and more tactical focus in its gameplay if it wants to gain new players.
It is a great universe, has great potential, but its gameplay is what is hampering it.
Its combat is a die roll cinematic, and its skill system is the most boring mechanic in all of the MMORPG world.
if they trully want to "Fix EVE" they need to change direction on a fundamental level.
Then again, if they trully wanted to have more players they would have made these changes long ago, no CCP is happy with their existing playerbase, they do not care how many people play what counts is how many accounts are active.
So, all this is just Damage Controll to keep the existing player base happy.
- Duke Suraknar - Order of the Silver Star, OSS
ESKA, Playing MMORPG's since Ultima Online 1997 - Order of the Silver Serpent, Atlantic Shard
EvE needs to change fundamntaly, to aless Strategic focus and more tactical focus in its gameplay if it wants to gain new players. Yes, "if" they want to gain a whole bunch of new players. Don't think I haven't gone to thinking "from the business side of things...." because I have. And, of course, CCP would love more money, but I do not think changing the game fundamentally would help them as much as some would think, and I think they might feel the same way. The bulk of their revenue is pretty much based on the ability to hold the veterans in. The megacorps with 1000+ players, all with multiple accounts each paying monthly fees + alt account box sales.
If the game fundamentally changes to cater to "pulling in new players", they might lose the ones they already depend on.
It is a great universe, has great potential, but its gameplay is what is hampering it. I would say "lack of improving their gameplay" and/or "lack of adding more gameplay features" -- again, not removing what they have, but giving more instead.
Its combat is a die roll cinematic, and its skill system is the most boring mechanic in all of the MMORPG world. What kind of skill system in and of itself is FUN? Why and how should managing a characters skills be a fun activity? i.e. is it FUN to allocate points or skills in other MMORPGs? Or do you just mean that you would rather be able to actively increase your skills with, say, combat instead of real-time training? Do you understand the lore in EVE? Do you understand what skill training actually means from the RP stance? Do you undstand that it is going on in the BACKGROUND? Downloaded into your capsuleer's brain? Do you realize that if you had to actively increase these skiills, it would take up ALL of your gameplay time and turn into a skill grind? Do you realize that you don't have to just sit there and stare at your character sheet, and that you're free to go out and do other things while your skills train?
if they trully want to "Fix EVE" they need to change direction on a fundamental level. There are many things that should be "fixed" no doubt. Many aspects of EVE that might benefit from a different approach. However, I think many if not all of these changes and fixes could be done in small peices, carefully, intelligently, and in best interest to uphold it's already beloved fundamental sandbox direction.
Then again, if they trully wanted to have more players they would have made these changes long ago, no CCP is happy with their existing playerbase, they do not care how many people play what counts is how many accounts are active. Yes, I agree. I think CCP is satisfied with being a niche game with a niche audience that is pleased to be a part of their world. I don't think CCP is at all interested in pulling in a million+ subs from kids who have a short attention span and just want to blow shit up until the next sparkly mmo releases. Where would EVE be now if they made such fundamental changes, catering to the mainstream crowd? After the new generation of MOBA players came in, did their pewpews, got bored and left... Think they would hold 8+ year long subs if all they offered was X-Wing style combat in a different wrapper?
So, all this is just Damage Controll to keep the existing player base happy. An existing player base that has for the most part, been loyal and paid their dues, through thick and thin. Even I have cancelled my EVE account on numorous occasions. Sometimes it was rage quitting because I did something stupid and lost a lot of isk/ships. Sometimes it was because I didn't want to or couldn't pay the account. Sometimes it was because I wanted to try another game. Sometimes it was because I didn't like a particular aspect of EVE itself, but I always came back, and the next time I cancel, (IF I cancel again) I know I will come back again in the future, because CCP is the only development company right now that isn't trying to give me WoW in another wrapper. They come out with enough expansions and enough new things to keep me looking forward, albeit, a lot of this stuff is unfinished, or simply not executed the way I was hoping. But there is no perfect game, and quite frankly, all ALL MMORPGS are a constant work in progress. There hasn't been a single one NOT ONE that has ever reached this mysterious "completed, perfect, shiny, polished, balanced, make everyone happy"-finished state. Not even WoW.
At this point I'm waiting for some action, to follow all of the words. Talk is cheap. Action will determine the future. But one doesn't have to be part of one of the mega corps to enjoy yourself. I have 45 million plus SP, and I'm still part of SWA. I've never been part of any player corp.
I have my own fleets of battleships (L5 or L4 all racials) and mining barges. I went my own way for almost six years, until Incursions. So, its possible. At this point I doubt I'll go back. CCP has changed too much. I regret walking away from all of that time and effort, but I really disagreed with where the game was going, and CCP's attitude. If that changes for the better, I'll have to see.
So, are you saying that "someone doesn't have to be in a big megacorp to have fun. just run 5+ accounts and create your own fleets and go your own way. That's what I did. Its possible." ??
It's possible to have fun all by yourself. I did it afterall. For a while. That is the problem - for how long? When large parts of the game is out of your reach because it requires being in a corporation of a certain size and expansion content is focused on a corporation or even alliance level, then content runs out pretty fast once you're over the steep learning curve of EVE. Multiple accounts make it easier, but you can only run so many accounts until it becomes an overwhelming job and expensive as all hell, unless you're willing to turn the game into a real job by grinding PLEX.
That's where I start questioning things and wonder why bother with EVE when I can just play some modded to hell version of X3 Terran Conflict where I'm not held hostage by the whim of some developers who may decide to ruin my ability to enjoy the game at any point with very little warning. Yeah, X3 is single player, but it's a damn good substitute (especially if you're a flight sim fanatic like me) at this point and costs absolutely nothing per month. EVE may be the only worthwhile space MMO around, but it has reached the point where the MMO part isn't worth the sacrifices in game play to me.
I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
At this point I'm waiting for some action, to follow all of the words. Talk is cheap. Action will determine the future. But one doesn't have to be part of one of the mega corps to enjoy yourself. I have 45 million plus SP, and I'm still part of SWA. I've never been part of any player corp.
I have my own fleets of battleships (L5 or L4 all racials) and mining barges. I went my own way for almost six years, until Incursions. So, its possible. At this point I doubt I'll go back. CCP has changed too much. I regret walking away from all of that time and effort, but I really disagreed with where the game was going, and CCP's attitude. If that changes for the better, I'll have to see.
I'm with ya...50M SP left on the table. T3 Cruisers, cap ships etc and told my story walking. I do get my moments of weakness but I kept the greed is good pdf and every time I feel like resubbing, I look at it again.
It's possible to have fun all by yourself. I did it afterall. For a while. That is the problem - for how long? When large parts of the game is out of your reach because it requires being in a corporation of a certain size and expansion content is focused on a corporation or even alliance level, then content runs out pretty fast once you're over the steep learning curve of EVE. Multiple accounts make it easier, but you can only run so many accounts until it becomes an overwhelming job and expensive as all hell, unless you're willing to turn the game into a real job by grinding PLEX.
That's where I start questioning things and wonder why bother with EVE when I can just play some modded to hell version of X3 Terran Conflict where I'm not held hostage by the whim of some developers who may decide to ruin my ability to enjoy the game at any point with very little warning. Yeah, X3 is single player, but it's a damn good substitute (especially if you're a flight sim fanatic like me) at this point and costs absolutely nothing per month. EVE may be the only worthwhile space MMO around, but it has reached the point where the MMO part isn't worth the sacrifices in game play to me.
Well said. I can understand where you're coming from.
And yes, I do understand how fun can be had in the solo approach, afterall, I have played this game for many years and most of the enjoyable parts of those years were while I was NOT in a megacorp. But, as you said, once you get past the learning curve, and achieve personal goals, you're left with running into walls over and over while trying to figure out ways to get to content out of the reach of those that aren't in megacorps.
Is it fun to get a corp all riled up in lowsec/nullsec and have them try to kill you, while getting away with your ship, and a smile? Sure. I've done it and had great times.... but can I have fun doing only that day in day out? Nope.
Is it fun to scan down sites and then clear them/hack them to find a pricey rare item to sell? Sure... but can I have fun doing only that day in day out? Nope.
Is it fun to mine? Nope.
Is it fun to run the same 5 missions over and over in slow ships? Nope.
These are all opinions of course, but I think my point has gotten across.
PS: I also undestand that EVE is supposed to be less about FUN and more about being COMPELLING and INTRIGUING... but it's still a videoGAME right?
At this point I'm waiting for some action, to follow all of the words. Talk is cheap. Action will determine the future. But one doesn't have to be part of one of the mega corps to enjoy yourself. I have 45 million plus SP, and I'm still part of SWA. I've never been part of any player corp.
I have my own fleets of battleships (L5 or L4 all racials) and mining barges. I went my own way for almost six years, until Incursions. So, its possible. At this point I doubt I'll go back. CCP has changed too much. I regret walking away from all of that time and effort, but I really disagreed with where the game was going, and CCP's attitude. If that changes for the better, I'll have to see.
So, are you saying that "someone doesn't have to be in a big megacorp to have fun. just run 5+ accounts and create your own fleets and go your own way. That's what I did. Its possible." ??
I've never had more than one account. Everything I've achieved, everything I've gained is through one personal account. All it takes is patience and research. More accounts makes some things easier, but one can have quite a bit of fun with just one.
At this point I'm waiting for some action, to follow all of the words. Talk is cheap. Action will determine the future. But one doesn't have to be part of one of the mega corps to enjoy yourself. I have 45 million plus SP, and I'm still part of SWA. I've never been part of any player corp.
I have my own fleets of battleships (L5 or L4 all racials) and mining barges. I went my own way for almost six years, until Incursions. So, its possible. At this point I doubt I'll go back. CCP has changed too much. I regret walking away from all of that time and effort, but I really disagreed with where the game was going, and CCP's attitude. If that changes for the better, I'll have to see.
So, are you saying that "someone doesn't have to be in a big megacorp to have fun. just run 5+ accounts and create your own fleets and go your own way. That's what I did. Its possible." ??
I've never had more than one account. Everything I've achieved, everything I've gained is through one personal account. All it takes is patience and research. More accounts makes some things easier, but one can have quite a bit of fun with just one.
k -- PM me and let's talk buddy. Would love to see what direction you went for solo fun. I'm not doubting you as much as acknowledging how rare it is for a solo pilot to have long-term fun in EVE, and that if you have a means of doing so, I'm all ears.
At this point I'm waiting for some action, to follow all of the words. Talk is cheap. Action will determine the future. But one doesn't have to be part of one of the mega corps to enjoy yourself. I have 45 million plus SP, and I'm still part of SWA. I've never been part of any player corp.
I have my own fleets of battleships (L5 or L4 all racials) and mining barges. I went my own way for almost six years, until Incursions. So, its possible. At this point I doubt I'll go back. CCP has changed too much. I regret walking away from all of that time and effort, but I really disagreed with where the game was going, and CCP's attitude. If that changes for the better, I'll have to see.
So, are you saying that "someone doesn't have to be in a big megacorp to have fun. just run 5+ accounts and create your own fleets and go your own way. That's what I did. Its possible." ??
I've never had more than one account. Everything I've achieved, everything I've gained is through one personal account. All it takes is patience and research. More accounts makes some things easier, but one can have quite a bit of fun with just one.
k -- PM me and let's talk buddy. Would love to see what direction you went for solo fun. I'm not doubting you as much as acknowledging how rare it is for a solo pilot to have long-term fun in EVE, and that if you have a means of doing so, I'm all ears.
Kudos
You heard of Zhek Kromtor right? This was his new site. His old articles can be read here. You can have fun in EVE as a SWA on the long term.
They have a LOT of work to do to even begin to repair relations with a large portion of the playerbase, even moreso for those no longer in the playerbase due to finally having enough of ccps ineptitude on the communications front.
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All that means nothing to a new player. If CCP quit listening to 6 corps that effectively elected the player reps they could actually GROW their user base. In short, CCP clearly has stated they are only interested in making Eve a game for the 1% superblock corps running 6 accounts per player, and telling the rest to fuck off and go mine a rock to feed the mega-corps. When I started playing there was 1.2 accounts per player. Post PLEX it's up to 3 accounts per player. They are as far as I can tell, down 1/2 the actual real player base. Funny when at the Fanfest when you mention "so how many distinct IPs logged versus players online, are we up distinct IP counts from 4 years ago" you get "I don't think we log distinct IPs" as an answer.
There is a reason they bought WW for World of Darkness...
Go ahead join a megacorp and enjoy guarding a 0.0 mining op for 4 hours staring at hulks eating roids.
If you can stomache 4 hours of that, there is a mega corp looking for you!
It has nothing to do with a learning curve, it's the fact that Eve's powerblocks control so much territory that new players will either be a slave to a megacorp to get access to 0.0 or outgunned by blobs in low-sec. Enjoy mining Trit in highsec for 20 hours a week to buy a ship to do shitty missions in hi-sec. Oh and incursions? Don't bother. When you show up and there are 40 mega-corp ships that 1 shot you for showing up to help...
Yeah keep stroking the power block's egos, nothing attracts new players like no being able to compete, play, or pretty much do anything but mine and shitty frig missions. I've been in those shitty uber-corps and being told I have to scan down 12 sites today or guard a mining op for 4 hours or gtfo really inspired me to keep playing I tell ya. Finally gave up at 10 mil skill points. Maybe they should focus on making the game FUN again rather then a part-time job working for the power-blocks.
You heard of Zhek Kromtor right? This was his new site. His old articles can be read here. You can have fun in EVE as a SWA on the long term.
LOL - if I had money for a setup like the one displayed on the website in the first link, I wouldn't even bother with EVE. I'd spend it all on building a home flight simulator cockpit instead. Something like this:
I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Why would any one play a game in which the Devs gave complete access to the Devs private test Servers (not the public test server) to a select few?
Caught a dev cheating and really did nothing to fix it.
Allowed that select group to cheat in game with out consequences?
Interfer in game politics?
They fixed or rigged a special event for that select group to win and when they didn't they handed the prize to them any way and gave NOTHING to the legit group who did win with the promise to give them something later and never did.
And in CCP's ARROGANCE they say Tough! this is OUR Sandbox...we will do as we see fit!!!
CCP promised total ship customization (painting it. Putting your Corp logo on the side and later they said Alliance tags as well.) Something so trivial to them but a major thing to the player base.
If I EVER met Hellmar I would punch him in the face and not feel one bit guilty about it after all the crap that I paid for.
All they have done and are doing is pandering to a very select few.
That player councel is a JOKE they do NOT represent the players. It's just another way for them to try and improve their image!
DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE! CRYPITC AND CCP should be bowling partners they can cheat and lie together to WIN!
Too few corps control too much in EVE. I know its supposed to be an sandbox but as others have said unless you want to become a slave to those that play almost 23/7 and make EVE your second job, you are nothing.
I played EVE from the start when it was fun. But no longer.
At this point I'm waiting for some action, to follow all of the words. Talk is cheap. Action will determine the future. But one doesn't have to be part of one of the mega corps to enjoy yourself. I have 45 million plus SP, and I'm still part of SWA. I've never been part of any player corp.
I have my own fleets of battleships (L5 or L4 all racials) and mining barges. I went my own way for almost six years, until Incursions. So, its possible. At this point I doubt I'll go back. CCP has changed too much. I regret walking away from all of that time and effort, but I really disagreed with where the game was going, and CCP's attitude. If that changes for the better, I'll have to see.
So, are you saying that "someone doesn't have to be in a big megacorp to have fun. just run 5+ accounts and create your own fleets and go your own way. That's what I did. Its possible." ??
I've never had more than one account. Everything I've achieved, everything I've gained is through one personal account. All it takes is patience and research. More accounts makes some things easier, but one can have quite a bit of fun with just one.
k -- PM me and let's talk buddy. Would love to see what direction you went for solo fun. I'm not doubting you as much as acknowledging how rare it is for a solo pilot to have long-term fun in EVE, and that if you have a means of doing so, I'm all ears.
Kudos
You heard of Zhek Kromtor right? This was his new site. His old articles can be read here. You can have fun in EVE as a SWA on the long term.
Words literally fail me... Obessive doesn't even BEGIN to describe that set up... ^^
It's possible to have fun all by yourself. I did it afterall. For a while. That is the problem - for how long? When large parts of the game is out of your reach because it requires being in a corporation of a certain size and expansion content is focused on a corporation or even alliance level, then content runs out pretty fast once you're over the steep learning curve of EVE. Multiple accounts make it easier, but you can only run so many accounts until it becomes an overwhelming job and expensive as all hell, unless you're willing to turn the game into a real job by grinding PLEX.
That's where I start questioning things and wonder why bother with EVE when I can just play some modded to hell version of X3 Terran Conflict where I'm not held hostage by the whim of some developers who may decide to ruin my ability to enjoy the game at any point with very little warning. Yeah, X3 is single player, but it's a damn good substitute (especially if you're a flight sim fanatic like me) at this point and costs absolutely nothing per month. EVE may be the only worthwhile space MMO around, but it has reached the point where the MMO part isn't worth the sacrifices in game play to me.
Well said. I can understand where you're coming from.
And yes, I do understand how fun can be had in the solo approach, afterall, I have played this game for many years and most of the enjoyable parts of those years were while I was NOT in a megacorp. But, as you said, once you get past the learning curve, and achieve personal goals, you're left with running into walls over and over while trying to figure out ways to get to content out of the reach of those that aren't in megacorps.
Is it fun to get a corp all riled up in lowsec/nullsec and have them try to kill you, while getting away with your ship, and a smile? Sure. I've done it and had great times.... but can I have fun doing only that day in day out? Nope.
Is it fun to scan down sites and then clear them/hack them to find a pricey rare item to sell? Sure... but can I have fun doing only that day in day out? Nope.
Is it fun to mine? Nope.
Is it fun to run the same 5 missions over and over in slow ships? Nope.
These are all opinions of course, but I think my point has gotten across.
PS: I also undestand that EVE is supposed to be less about FUN and more about being COMPELLING and INTRIGUING... but it's still a videoGAME right?
You must have missed when all of CCP became delusional with their "Eve is Real" campagin. It's not a game. They admit that now. Any pretense of Eve being a source of entertainment has been dropped. It's now an alternate reality. I'll pass with insaine people. There is one reality and the last thing I want to do with my hour or two of free time is trade one reality for another. I prefer to play... well... GAMES. Back to Dominion and Catan I guess...
You heard of Zhek Kromtor right? This was his new site. His old articles can be read here. You can have fun in EVE as a SWA on the long term.
LOL - if I had money for a setup like the one displayed on the website in the first link, I wouldn't even bother with EVE. I'd spend it all on building a home flight simulator cockpit instead. Something like this:
Haha, yo that looks like a cockpit of a minmatar ship just missing the ductape. If I had that money I would make my own game.
I freaking laugh out loud if they consider ship spinning as a feature. Hey I can do that to in other MMO, its called; waiting in the lobby looking at my character because the game in itself is too boring to be played.... oh but you can chat while doing that in EVE. How great.
Question from the uninformed: What is ship spinning?
Ship spinning was the original default screen you had when you docked at a station you were able to grab the ship with a mouse and spin it. That dissapeared with Captains quarters, and because of that became a symbol if you like of the direction of the game. But also with captains quarters you lost features, burned your graphics card and in the main was seen as a shop window for Nex store.
Eve is now a dead game unless it does soemthing drastic it lost the trust of its player base and is now trying to get that trust back for many it simply wont happen. In truth eve should now take a new direction as the old one is not really viable anymore, even if it manages to reinvent itself can you still trust ccp not to do something stupid after investing years into a character again? i know i cant...
Put in consentual PvP so you dont get ganked the second you leave hi-sec and I will come back to EVE. Until then gank yourselves silly. Not paying for a game where all a new player can do is be some established factions miner butt-monkey,,
Put in consentual PvP so you dont get ganked the second you leave hi-sec and I will come back to EVE. Until then gank yourselves silly. Not paying for a game where all a new player can do is be some established factions miner butt-monkey,,
No Thanks
I left after a sucide gank in hi-sec 1.0, Not sure what there gonna do but doing nothing will not work any longer.
" Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Would Threaten It " MAGA
Ship spinning was the original default screen you had when you docked at a station you were able to grab the ship with a mouse and spin it. That dissapeared with Captains quarters, and because of that became a symbol if you like of the direction of the game. But also with captains quarters you lost features, burned your graphics card and in the main was seen as a shop window for Nex store.
Thanks Eta. I was first assuming you can spin your ship in space (i.e. roll) for some non-functional flashy fake impression, that the combat is actually action packed and thrilling - lol.
I was playing Eve since open beta, fom then for 1.5 years and with 2 returns up to last year where I was playing a few weeks and then spent a multiple of that active time on subbing without playing and only switching skill training. I have to say the offline training is a feature with a significant economic effect (for CCP). As long as I was thinking that I will return I felt the pressure of not cancelling my sub so i wont "lose" training time and "fall behind". Stupid me. This game has no leveling treadmill but a "waiting for skill x to get access to new content treadmill".
I daresay that a portion of those accounts deemed active are not even played but they only keep the training queue filled. So the active playerbase is probably another bit smaller than what the statistics imply.
I don't mind offline training but I would never again play a game with only offline training and no option to advance your skills while actually playing (and which is stronger than OLT).
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Damage Control, that is all this is.
EvE needs to change fundamntaly, to aless Strategic focus and more tactical focus in its gameplay if it wants to gain new players.
It is a great universe, has great potential, but its gameplay is what is hampering it.
Its combat is a die roll cinematic, and its skill system is the most boring mechanic in all of the MMORPG world.
if they trully want to "Fix EVE" they need to change direction on a fundamental level.
Then again, if they trully wanted to have more players they would have made these changes long ago, no CCP is happy with their existing playerbase, they do not care how many people play what counts is how many accounts are active.
So, all this is just Damage Controll to keep the existing player base happy.
Order of the Silver Star, OSS
ESKA, Playing MMORPG's since Ultima Online 1997 - Order of the Silver Serpent, Atlantic Shard
It's possible to have fun all by yourself. I did it afterall. For a while. That is the problem - for how long? When large parts of the game is out of your reach because it requires being in a corporation of a certain size and expansion content is focused on a corporation or even alliance level, then content runs out pretty fast once you're over the steep learning curve of EVE. Multiple accounts make it easier, but you can only run so many accounts until it becomes an overwhelming job and expensive as all hell, unless you're willing to turn the game into a real job by grinding PLEX.
That's where I start questioning things and wonder why bother with EVE when I can just play some modded to hell version of X3 Terran Conflict where I'm not held hostage by the whim of some developers who may decide to ruin my ability to enjoy the game at any point with very little warning. Yeah, X3 is single player, but it's a damn good substitute (especially if you're a flight sim fanatic like me) at this point and costs absolutely nothing per month. EVE may be the only worthwhile space MMO around, but it has reached the point where the MMO part isn't worth the sacrifices in game play to me.
I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
I'm with ya...50M SP left on the table. T3 Cruisers, cap ships etc and told my story walking. I do get my moments of weakness but I kept the greed is good pdf and every time I feel like resubbing, I look at it again.
Well said. I can understand where you're coming from.
And yes, I do understand how fun can be had in the solo approach, afterall, I have played this game for many years and most of the enjoyable parts of those years were while I was NOT in a megacorp. But, as you said, once you get past the learning curve, and achieve personal goals, you're left with running into walls over and over while trying to figure out ways to get to content out of the reach of those that aren't in megacorps.
Is it fun to get a corp all riled up in lowsec/nullsec and have them try to kill you, while getting away with your ship, and a smile? Sure. I've done it and had great times.... but can I have fun doing only that day in day out? Nope.
Is it fun to scan down sites and then clear them/hack them to find a pricey rare item to sell? Sure... but can I have fun doing only that day in day out? Nope.
Is it fun to mine? Nope.
Is it fun to run the same 5 missions over and over in slow ships? Nope.
These are all opinions of course, but I think my point has gotten across.
PS: I also undestand that EVE is supposed to be less about FUN and more about being COMPELLING and INTRIGUING... but it's still a videoGAME right?
Interesting stuff.
I've never had more than one account. Everything I've achieved, everything I've gained is through one personal account. All it takes is patience and research. More accounts makes some things easier, but one can have quite a bit of fun with just one.
k -- PM me and let's talk buddy. Would love to see what direction you went for solo fun. I'm not doubting you as much as acknowledging how rare it is for a solo pilot to have long-term fun in EVE, and that if you have a means of doing so, I'm all ears.
Kudos
You heard of Zhek Kromtor right? This was his new site. His old articles can be read here. You can have fun in EVE as a SWA on the long term.
Actions, not words.
They have a LOT of work to do to even begin to repair relations with a large portion of the playerbase, even moreso for those no longer in the playerbase due to finally having enough of ccps ineptitude on the communications front.
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Pay-to-Win / F2P will be the death of real gaming, Boycott it !!
+1
Eve sucks now boring to crowded.
LOL - if I had money for a setup like the one displayed on the website in the first link, I wouldn't even bother with EVE. I'd spend it all on building a home flight simulator cockpit instead. Something like this:
I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
And why would I think of checking this game out as a new player?
Looking forward to your answer.
I just CAN'T let this go.
Why would any one play a game in which the Devs gave complete access to the Devs private test Servers (not the public test server) to a select few?
Caught a dev cheating and really did nothing to fix it.
Allowed that select group to cheat in game with out consequences?
Interfer in game politics?
They fixed or rigged a special event for that select group to win and when they didn't they handed the prize to them any way and gave NOTHING to the legit group who did win with the promise to give them something later and never did.
And in CCP's ARROGANCE they say Tough! this is OUR Sandbox...we will do as we see fit!!!
CCP promised total ship customization (painting it. Putting your Corp logo on the side and later they said Alliance tags as well.) Something so trivial to them but a major thing to the player base.
If I EVER met Hellmar I would punch him in the face and not feel one bit guilty about it after all the crap that I paid for.
All they have done and are doing is pandering to a very select few.
That player councel is a JOKE they do NOT represent the players. It's just another way for them to try and improve their image!
DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE! CRYPITC AND CCP should be bowling partners they can cheat and lie together to WIN!
I will NEVER play either companies games again!
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Too few corps control too much in EVE. I know its supposed to be an sandbox but as others have said unless you want to become a slave to those that play almost 23/7 and make EVE your second job, you are nothing.
I played EVE from the start when it was fun. But no longer.
Words literally fail me... Obessive doesn't even BEGIN to describe that set up... ^^
You must have missed when all of CCP became delusional with their "Eve is Real" campagin. It's not a game. They admit that now. Any pretense of Eve being a source of entertainment has been dropped. It's now an alternate reality. I'll pass with insaine people. There is one reality and the last thing I want to do with my hour or two of free time is trade one reality for another. I prefer to play... well... GAMES. Back to Dominion and Catan I guess...
Haha, yo that looks like a cockpit of a minmatar ship just missing the ductape. If I had that money I would make my own game.
Stars! > EVE
Question from the uninformed: What is ship spinning?
Ship spinning was the original default screen you had when you docked at a station you were able to grab the ship with a mouse and spin it. That dissapeared with Captains quarters, and because of that became a symbol if you like of the direction of the game. But also with captains quarters you lost features, burned your graphics card and in the main was seen as a shop window for Nex store.
Eve is now a dead game unless it does soemthing drastic it lost the trust of its player base and is now trying to get that trust back for many it simply wont happen. In truth eve should now take a new direction as the old one is not really viable anymore, even if it manages to reinvent itself can you still trust ccp not to do something stupid after investing years into a character again? i know i cant...
Currently Waiting for Guild Wars 2.
Put in consentual PvP so you dont get ganked the second you leave hi-sec and I will come back to EVE. Until then gank yourselves silly. Not paying for a game where all a new player can do is be some established factions miner butt-monkey,,
No Thanks
I left after a sucide gank in hi-sec 1.0, Not sure what there gonna do but doing nothing will not work any longer.
MAGA
Thanks Eta. I was first assuming you can spin your ship in space (i.e. roll) for some non-functional flashy fake impression, that the combat is actually action packed and thrilling - lol.
I was playing Eve since open beta, fom then for 1.5 years and with 2 returns up to last year where I was playing a few weeks and then spent a multiple of that active time on subbing without playing and only switching skill training. I have to say the offline training is a feature with a significant economic effect (for CCP). As long as I was thinking that I will return I felt the pressure of not cancelling my sub so i wont "lose" training time and "fall behind". Stupid me. This game has no leveling treadmill but a "waiting for skill x to get access to new content treadmill".
I daresay that a portion of those accounts deemed active are not even played but they only keep the training queue filled. So the active playerbase is probably another bit smaller than what the statistics imply.
I don't mind offline training but I would never again play a game with only offline training and no option to advance your skills while actually playing (and which is stronger than OLT).