Grinding is doing some repetitively over and over. THat comes with quests, killing mobs, finsihign instances, getting gear/ Lotr and tor both will have grinding period you can not deny that. IN tor you grind your classes story quests (which everyone of yoru class get so they are not unique either.), or other quests that come up. YOu will grind instances which tor has as well, even gear to a point as well. Both games for the lack of time between them re the same game basically with a different skins that is no lie.
Without going into any details I can assure you LOTRO and TOR are vastly different. That's all I will or can say about that. You'll "get it" in two months.
Ill ask you again, when you are done with your storyline in a week or two (if you need *that* much time for 25-30 hours of playing) and start grinding quests/flashpoints/operations/PvP for xp/gear. O, yah.
No they are not different, even *Bioware* said they are not different lol, as they themself classified it as generic MMO (WoW clone).
Oh, they are different (in one way) pardon me, LOTRO copied WoW in 2007, SWTOR did it in 2011 (on enormous budget etc. etc.) (we can call it 2012). In that repspect SWTOR is *much* worse.
What you just said makes no sense, and shows that you haven't done any actual research on TOR. I don't have time to go over every bit of misinformation you've put in your post, because I'd have to go over every single line, but needless to say, you are wrong---about all of it.
LOTRO and TOR are completely different games aside from being standard themepark games. And I say that as a LOTRO fan and long-time player. The games are not remotely similar.
"completely different games aside from being standard themepark games"
Nough said.
One has Jedis and Smugglers, other has Guardians and Burglars.
One has Rancors and Jawas, other has Trolls and Goblins.
Both have glowsticks.
Maaaaaaaaaajor differences.
No missinformation on my side. Anyone can check from official info told by BW. Dont even have to go any deeper than that. You only wish its missinformation. Otherwise you might contact BW themselves and tell them to stop all the nonsense lol.
Is this a swtor thread? Hmm....doesn't seem like it. I'm not sure why people are debating SWTOR here where people were asking questions about a LOTRO expansion. Maybe bring your "debate" elsewhere?
I made it to the 2 Arch nemesis trolls with the 750K morale each with a 58 captain, hit last stand and ran at the gates. Spun on it untill the 15 second last stand wound off and died. When I did revive I was inside I don't know if that was a bug or what and I wasn't even supposed to be in Isengard but there I was. Of course then the game crashed and when I logged back in I was on a res circle but I got to run around inside for a while, saw some 75K elite war trolls. Loads of warg riders or RK candy. I chased them around in Moria for a while and know what they do as tactic.
In a summary it's more of the same. Based on tics on our traits I suspect we will have 12 tiers cap or Lv. 125 when we hit Mordor and everything will have 2 million morale but thats a grim view of trend. There are alternatives they could follow, I can't say if they will. The differences are there, sort of. They just didnt add anything unique in the way we execute them. This did feel very much like another content add on I saw not too long ago called Witches of Endor. The Turbine Hiring things says they don't want LotRO to be a retirement plan but the current mechanics restrictions indicate the game might in fact be destined for just such a fate. The graphics and art in Isengard took them a while to do, you can see it but the paint in Witches of Endor was well done too, an expansion it did not make though.
It goes back to the same. If you like LotR, you will still like LotRO and Isengard. If you are just a gamer, this will seem very cut and paste. I saw a guy standing in Moria lv. 75 the very day after it went live and i can make a good guess there were 5 others somewhere else that level too because 6 man power grinding is and always was the quickest way to cap in LotRO. Isengard is? Predictable.
Oh, they are different (in one way) pardon me, LOTRO copied WoW in 2007, SWTOR did it in 2011 (on enormous budget etc. etc.) (we can call it 2012). In that repspect SWTOR is *much* worse.
Turbine, the publishers of LOTRO, created Asheron's Call well before WoW was released. Blizzard did *not* create this genre, they just made it mainstream.
Asheron's Call wasn't a theme park MMO. Middle Earth Online was going to be a sandbox MMO like AC. Turbine decided sandbox wasn't going to be the kind of money maker they wanted and so they copied WOW in making LOTRO a theme park MMO.
i,m kind of disappointed in isengard atm..not much in the way of group stuff except the original stuff that was there before ex pk just lvl scaled thats all.but apparentely more stuff is on the way ,as in dungeons,skirms ,etc
Isengard is very disappointing. Who wants to run old skirmishes in a raid non stop to get marks for the best gear? And who wants to spend 1250 Turbine Points to be able to enter the Dragon raid? And who wants to wait 3 months for new 3/6/12 mans that are supposed to be part of the expansion. And who wants to pay extra Turbine Points to get those instances when they arrive?
This is Turbines chance to make a good impression before SW:TOR and GW2 has a chance to syphon their players. They totally screwed the pooch there.
Isengard is very disappointing. Who wants to run old skirmishes in a raid non stop to get marks for the best gear? And who wants to spend 1250 Turbine Points to be able to enter the Dragon raid? And who wants to wait 3 months for new 3/6/12 mans that are supposed to be part of the expansion. And who wants to pay extra Turbine Points to get those instances when they arrive?
This is Turbines chance to make a good impression before SW:TOR and GW2 has a chance to syphon their players. They totally screwed the pooch there.
Well, since you're complaining about the TP cost of these items, you must be a free-to-play player - nothing wrong with that. But since you're not even going to have that option with SW:TOR, I'm not sure why it would syphon off a player like you, or what Turbine is losing if in fact it does. Losing subscribers would be bad, but since they get everything above included with the expansion, most of your complaints are irrelevent. And the instances will be here in December, which is not very far off.
Had my first look at the Draigoch raid recently. I gotta say it looks amazing.
Important facts: 1. Free to Play games are poorly made. 2. Casuals are not all idiots, but idiots call themselves casuals. 3. Great solo and group content are not mutually exclusive, but they suffer when one is shoved into the mold of the other. The same is true of PvP and PvE. 4. Community is more important than you think.
Isengard is very disappointing. Who wants to run old skirmishes in a raid non stop to get marks for the best gear? And who wants to spend 1250 Turbine Points to be able to enter the Dragon raid? And who wants to wait 3 months for new 3/6/12 mans that are supposed to be part of the expansion. And who wants to pay extra Turbine Points to get those instances when they arrive?
This is Turbines chance to make a good impression before SW:TOR and GW2 has a chance to syphon their players. They totally screwed the pooch there.
Well, since you're complaining about the TP cost of these items, you must be a free-to-play player - nothing wrong with that. But since you're not even going to have that option with SW:TOR, I'm not sure why it would syphon off a player like you, or what Turbine is losing if in fact it does. Losing subscribers would be bad, but since they get everything above included with the expansion, most of your complaints are irrelevent. And the instances will be here in December, which is not very far off.
Paying seperate TP costs for the peices of the expansion has nothing to do with being a subscriber or not. People who pre-ordered the expansion (f2p or VIP) get all the peices for one absurdly expensive price. People who did not pre-order and are buying the peices in the TP store (f2p or VIP) have to pay multiple absurdly overpriced prices for each of the peices of the expansion. So saying that TOR's monthly fee someone makes Turbine's high prices for garbage content acceptable is just nonsense.
BTW, where are all the people who are defending this game on these forums coming from? It certainly isn't LOTRO because they are completely off on their facts about the game. First the guy claiming that the expansion had so many raids/instances when it only has the 1 and now this guy? If you haven't played the game and don't know how it works, don't type.
Isengard is very disappointing. Who wants to run old skirmishes in a raid non stop to get marks for the best gear? And who wants to spend 1250 Turbine Points to be able to enter the Dragon raid? And who wants to wait 3 months for new 3/6/12 mans that are supposed to be part of the expansion. And who wants to pay extra Turbine Points to get those instances when they arrive?
This is Turbines chance to make a good impression before SW:TOR and GW2 has a chance to syphon their players. They totally screwed the pooch there.
Well, since you're complaining about the TP cost of these items, you must be a free-to-play player - nothing wrong with that. But since you're not even going to have that option with SW:TOR, I'm not sure why it would syphon off a player like you, or what Turbine is losing if in fact it does. Losing subscribers would be bad, but since they get everything above included with the expansion, most of your complaints are irrelevent. And the instances will be here in December, which is not very far off.
Actually I'm a lifer who doled out a lot of cash up front. I have the option of paying cash for ROI or using my earned points and spending that money on better games like SW:TOR.
I have to be honest. I was looking forward to RoI as it was the first big expac since Mirkwood and the first since F2P.
Now, after a few weeks, and having finished the content, I can say I'm disappointed.
As other say, there is absolutely no freedom at all, you are constantly railroaded in hubs after hubs where you receive your usual kill X mobs, got there, take this, with the aggravating factor that 95% of the quests are solo. Not only, but some are instances that requires you to be alone, so you have to disband your group. No kidding then that few wants to group, except sporadically for this or that quest.
Moreover RoI seems to have bugged skirm soldiers and old instances alike (mitigation and resistance are bugged mechanics now)
What I find rather tacky is the expac smells of being half-rushed and is a half-done job. This is evident both because the Epic, which has its great moments, stops abruptly with a rather anti-climatic ending. And when you reach Isengard, all you get is 4 boring repeatables dailies. I was so disappointed, if nothing else because I was still 74 when I ran out of quests (and heard this was a pretty common thing, but that is probably to be attributed to raising the level cap to 75 when it was planned to be risen only by 5)
I hope LOTRO will survive, but things may look grim if the devs keep going the way of uninspiring and solo quests, with tons of instances breaking up immersion.
I have to be honest. I was looking forward to RoI as it was the first big expac since Mirkwood and the first since F2P.
Now, after a few weeks, and having finished the content, I can say I'm disappointed.
As other say, there is absolutely no freedom at all, you are constantly railroaded in hubs after hubs where you receive your usual kill X mobs, got there, take this, with the aggravating factor that 95% of the quests are solo. Not only, but some are instances that requires you to be alone, so you have to disband your group. No kidding then that few wants to group, except sporadically for this or that quest.
Moreover RoI seems to have bugged skirm soldiers and old instances alike (mitigation and resistance are bugged mechanics now)
What I find rather tacky is the expac smells of being half-rushed and is a half-done job. This is evident both because the Epic, which has its great moments, stops abruptly with a rather anti-climatic ending. And when you reach Isengard, all you get is 4 boring repeatables dailies. I was so disappointed, if nothing else because I was still 74 when I ran out of quests (and heard this was a pretty common thing, but that is probably to be attributed to raising the level cap to 75 when it was planned to be risen only by 5)
I hope LOTRO will survive, but things may look grim if the devs keep going the way of uninspiring and solo quests, with tons of instances breaking up immersion.
The quest system is almost as boring as WoW cataclysm. The same linear quest hub grind. You must finish one quest hub before you can get quest in the next. And if you have several characters it will be the same levelling for all of them. Impossible to skip the worst and most boring quests. Because if you do you cant get any more quests.
I really cant understand why they must try to copy everything they try to change from WoW:s latest expansion. Regardless if its good or bad. Lotro had a good quest system. This is terrible.
But you could of course do skirmishes 65-75 instead. Even if its a grind you will need the marks to upgrade Li:s anyway. And if you really hate doing linear generic quests on rails it could be less painful.
I have to be honest. I was looking forward to RoI as it was the first big expac since Mirkwood and the first since F2P.
Now, after a few weeks, and having finished the content, I can say I'm disappointed.
As other say, there is absolutely no freedom at all, you are constantly railroaded in hubs after hubs where you receive your usual kill X mobs, got there, take this, with the aggravating factor that 95% of the quests are solo. Not only, but some are instances that requires you to be alone, so you have to disband your group. No kidding then that few wants to group, except sporadically for this or that quest.
Moreover RoI seems to have bugged skirm soldiers and old instances alike (mitigation and resistance are bugged mechanics now)
What I find rather tacky is the expac smells of being half-rushed and is a half-done job. This is evident both because the Epic, which has its great moments, stops abruptly with a rather anti-climatic ending. And when you reach Isengard, all you get is 4 boring repeatables dailies. I was so disappointed, if nothing else because I was still 74 when I ran out of quests (and heard this was a pretty common thing, but that is probably to be attributed to raising the level cap to 75 when it was planned to be risen only by 5)
I hope LOTRO will survive, but things may look grim if the devs keep going the way of uninspiring and solo quests, with tons of instances breaking up immersion.
I see it the same way. It is weird it was such a letdown after the good first years.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Isengard is very disappointing. Who wants to run old skirmishes in a raid non stop to get marks for the best gear? And who wants to spend 1250 Turbine Points to be able to enter the Dragon raid? And who wants to wait 3 months for new 3/6/12 mans that are supposed to be part of the expansion. And who wants to pay extra Turbine Points to get those instances when they arrive?
This is Turbines chance to make a good impression before SW:TOR and GW2 has a chance to syphon their players. They totally screwed the pooch there.
Well, since you're complaining about the TP cost of these items, you must be a free-to-play player - nothing wrong with that. But since you're not even going to have that option with SW:TOR, I'm not sure why it would syphon off a player like you, or what Turbine is losing if in fact it does. Losing subscribers would be bad, but since they get everything above included with the expansion, most of your complaints are irrelevent. And the instances will be here in December, which is not very far off.
Paying seperate TP costs for the peices of the expansion has nothing to do with being a subscriber or not. People who pre-ordered the expansion (f2p or VIP) get all the peices for one absurdly expensive price. People who did not pre-order and are buying the peices in the TP store (f2p or VIP) have to pay multiple absurdly overpriced prices for each of the peices of the expansion. So saying that TOR's monthly fee someone makes Turbine's high prices for garbage content acceptable is just nonsense.
BTW, where are all the people who are defending this game on these forums coming from? It certainly isn't LOTRO because they are completely off on their facts about the game. First the guy claiming that the expansion had so many raids/instances when it only has the 1 and now this guy? If you haven't played the game and don't know how it works, don't type.
Time to get rude, eh? I've been playing since Fall 2007. I play with a group of friends who have been playing since then too. I paid the "absurdly expensive" $30 price for the expansion, and I pay $10 per month to play. All of my friends did the same thing. We think it's worth the money, so we continue to pay and play. You don't - you're entitled to your opinion, so vote with your wallet. The game is crowded (over-croweded, actually) as it is, so have fun elsewhere. And you're right: it's such a scandal that people who still enjoy the game actually post in forums about THAT GAME, when they're obviously designed just for complainers. I've played other MMOs that I didn't enjoy, and quit - and I spend ZERO time trolling their forums. But then, my time is valuable to me, in a way that someone who's afraid to spend $10 per month (and $30 once per year) on his gametime just might not understand.
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What you just said makes no sense, and shows that you haven't done any actual research on TOR. I don't have time to go over every bit of misinformation you've put in your post, because I'd have to go over every single line, but needless to say, you are wrong---about all of it.
LOTRO and TOR are completely different games aside from being standard themepark games. And I say that as a LOTRO fan and long-time player. The games are not remotely similar.
"completely different games aside from being standard themepark games"
Nough said.
One has Jedis and Smugglers, other has Guardians and Burglars.
One has Rancors and Jawas, other has Trolls and Goblins.
Both have glowsticks.
Maaaaaaaaaajor differences.
No missinformation on my side. Anyone can check from official info told by BW. Dont even have to go any deeper than that. You only wish its missinformation. Otherwise you might contact BW themselves and tell them to stop all the nonsense lol.
Is this a swtor thread? Hmm....doesn't seem like it. I'm not sure why people are debating SWTOR here where people were asking questions about a LOTRO expansion. Maybe bring your "debate" elsewhere?
I made it to the 2 Arch nemesis trolls with the 750K morale each with a 58 captain, hit last stand and ran at the gates. Spun on it untill the 15 second last stand wound off and died. When I did revive I was inside I don't know if that was a bug or what and I wasn't even supposed to be in Isengard but there I was. Of course then the game crashed and when I logged back in I was on a res circle but I got to run around inside for a while, saw some 75K elite war trolls. Loads of warg riders or RK candy. I chased them around in Moria for a while and know what they do as tactic.
In a summary it's more of the same. Based on tics on our traits I suspect we will have 12 tiers cap or Lv. 125 when we hit Mordor and everything will have 2 million morale but thats a grim view of trend. There are alternatives they could follow, I can't say if they will. The differences are there, sort of. They just didnt add anything unique in the way we execute them. This did feel very much like another content add on I saw not too long ago called Witches of Endor. The Turbine Hiring things says they don't want LotRO to be a retirement plan but the current mechanics restrictions indicate the game might in fact be destined for just such a fate. The graphics and art in Isengard took them a while to do, you can see it but the paint in Witches of Endor was well done too, an expansion it did not make though.
It goes back to the same. If you like LotR, you will still like LotRO and Isengard. If you are just a gamer, this will seem very cut and paste. I saw a guy standing in Moria lv. 75 the very day after it went live and i can make a good guess there were 5 others somewhere else that level too because 6 man power grinding is and always was the quickest way to cap in LotRO. Isengard is? Predictable.
Asheron's Call wasn't a theme park MMO. Middle Earth Online was going to be a sandbox MMO like AC. Turbine decided sandbox wasn't going to be the kind of money maker they wanted and so they copied WOW in making LOTRO a theme park MMO.
i,m kind of disappointed in isengard atm..not much in the way of group stuff except the original stuff that was there before ex pk just lvl scaled thats all.but apparentely more stuff is on the way ,as in dungeons,skirms ,etc
Isengard is very disappointing. Who wants to run old skirmishes in a raid non stop to get marks for the best gear? And who wants to spend 1250 Turbine Points to be able to enter the Dragon raid? And who wants to wait 3 months for new 3/6/12 mans that are supposed to be part of the expansion. And who wants to pay extra Turbine Points to get those instances when they arrive?
This is Turbines chance to make a good impression before SW:TOR and GW2 has a chance to syphon their players. They totally screwed the pooch there.
Well, since you're complaining about the TP cost of these items, you must be a free-to-play player - nothing wrong with that. But since you're not even going to have that option with SW:TOR, I'm not sure why it would syphon off a player like you, or what Turbine is losing if in fact it does. Losing subscribers would be bad, but since they get everything above included with the expansion, most of your complaints are irrelevent. And the instances will be here in December, which is not very far off.
Had my first look at the Draigoch raid recently. I gotta say it looks amazing.
Important facts:
1. Free to Play games are poorly made.
2. Casuals are not all idiots, but idiots call themselves casuals.
3. Great solo and group content are not mutually exclusive, but they suffer when one is shoved into the mold of the other. The same is true of PvP and PvE.
4. Community is more important than you think.
Paying seperate TP costs for the peices of the expansion has nothing to do with being a subscriber or not. People who pre-ordered the expansion (f2p or VIP) get all the peices for one absurdly expensive price. People who did not pre-order and are buying the peices in the TP store (f2p or VIP) have to pay multiple absurdly overpriced prices for each of the peices of the expansion. So saying that TOR's monthly fee someone makes Turbine's high prices for garbage content acceptable is just nonsense.
BTW, where are all the people who are defending this game on these forums coming from? It certainly isn't LOTRO because they are completely off on their facts about the game. First the guy claiming that the expansion had so many raids/instances when it only has the 1 and now this guy? If you haven't played the game and don't know how it works, don't type.
Actually I'm a lifer who doled out a lot of cash up front. I have the option of paying cash for ROI or using my earned points and spending that money on better games like SW:TOR.
I have to be honest. I was looking forward to RoI as it was the first big expac since Mirkwood and the first since F2P.
Now, after a few weeks, and having finished the content, I can say I'm disappointed.
As other say, there is absolutely no freedom at all, you are constantly railroaded in hubs after hubs where you receive your usual kill X mobs, got there, take this, with the aggravating factor that 95% of the quests are solo. Not only, but some are instances that requires you to be alone, so you have to disband your group. No kidding then that few wants to group, except sporadically for this or that quest.
Moreover RoI seems to have bugged skirm soldiers and old instances alike (mitigation and resistance are bugged mechanics now)
What I find rather tacky is the expac smells of being half-rushed and is a half-done job. This is evident both because the Epic, which has its great moments, stops abruptly with a rather anti-climatic ending. And when you reach Isengard, all you get is 4 boring repeatables dailies. I was so disappointed, if nothing else because I was still 74 when I ran out of quests (and heard this was a pretty common thing, but that is probably to be attributed to raising the level cap to 75 when it was planned to be risen only by 5)
I hope LOTRO will survive, but things may look grim if the devs keep going the way of uninspiring and solo quests, with tons of instances breaking up immersion.
The quest system is almost as boring as WoW cataclysm. The same linear quest hub grind. You must finish one quest hub before you can get quest in the next. And if you have several characters it will be the same levelling for all of them. Impossible to skip the worst and most boring quests. Because if you do you cant get any more quests.
I really cant understand why they must try to copy everything they try to change from WoW:s latest expansion. Regardless if its good or bad. Lotro had a good quest system. This is terrible.
But you could of course do skirmishes 65-75 instead. Even if its a grind you will need the marks to upgrade Li:s anyway. And if you really hate doing linear generic quests on rails it could be less painful.
I see it the same way. It is weird it was such a letdown after the good first years.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Time to get rude, eh? I've been playing since Fall 2007. I play with a group of friends who have been playing since then too. I paid the "absurdly expensive" $30 price for the expansion, and I pay $10 per month to play. All of my friends did the same thing. We think it's worth the money, so we continue to pay and play. You don't - you're entitled to your opinion, so vote with your wallet. The game is crowded (over-croweded, actually) as it is, so have fun elsewhere. And you're right: it's such a scandal that people who still enjoy the game actually post in forums about THAT GAME, when they're obviously designed just for complainers. I've played other MMOs that I didn't enjoy, and quit - and I spend ZERO time trolling their forums. But then, my time is valuable to me, in a way that someone who's afraid to spend $10 per month (and $30 once per year) on his gametime just might not understand.