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The Naysayers
Lord.Bachus
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There is allways this group of people that can't be sattisfied by anything developers try to put intoo their games to improve them over the current crowd of MMO games...
With SW:TOR nearing release, this crowd seems to move forward to the next big game... GW2...
Why are certain people never sattisfied with anything, or even worse, why do they try and break games with spreading all these negatives about them. and worse, even without having had a chance to playtest a game?
And why are other people (sometimes myself included) take the bait they throw at us in the gameforums? (most of the time unatended)
Thing is, if you call them what they are (In general society refers to them as trolls) you get a warning or even worse, you get banned for a day or longer. While they get to continue spreading lies and nonsense about the games other people are anxiously looking forward to.
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
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I'd prefer if they were "Ni"-sayers, but that's just me ...
Call it what you want, naysayers, trolls, haters.. it really don't matter much.
For me, who has been playing mmo games since the pre-Trammel UO in 1998 - It doesn't take much to realize that an upcoming game is either something I might like or something I'll hate.
I looked at two youtube videos of the upcoming SWTOR to believe that it is just another clone of World of Warcraft with a Star Wars texture implant on the characters and world.
Now Guild Wars 2 I am still highly anticipating. Dynamic events could be really promising and make an mmo very pleasurable and interesting I think. They are going to need to pre-plan a lot of potential problems with that game however to make it as successful as they hope.
A lot of the naysayers as you call them are probably the mmo old school veterans who have been left out to dry of high quality old school risk vs reward type mmos in a flooding sea of nothing but Korean/Asian crap and an over-flowing river of World of Warcraft clones.
It's understandable that group of which I am one of is passionate about wanting one really good mmo made with a vision of an all new pre-Trammel Ultima Online or Asheron's Call: Darktide. Mortal Online had the right vision, but just didn't have the experience or the funds to make it a quality game.
That's obviously not all of it, there will always exist attention seeking and trouble loving people on ANY forum, but for the reasons you ask, I have given you a lot of the reasoning you seek.
- Zaxx
Keep in mind that the people most likely to do the labeling of "naysayer" and "hater" or otherwise, tend to be the type that see one or more developers as being infallable, and act like their upcoming product is ambrosia from the heavens.
In other words, sometimes criticism is just criticism, but it gets labeled as hate by those who can't accept that what they're looking forward to isn't perfect.
There is always going to be critics and there is always going to be fanboys. It's just the name of the game. As far as I'm concerned it's all about perception though. So if you like a game a lot and for some reason people just hate it and bash it constantly you'll probably feel like they're haters or trolls. Yet on the flip side they probably just think you're some blind fanboy who doesn't know bad developing when it stares you in the face.
The fact of the matter is there is always going to be a varying degree of what people like and what they don't like. That's not going to change, so calling somone a troll because they don't think the same way you do isn't exactly productive. This forum and many like it thrive on differing opinions and though most of us rarely change our minds, without the differing opinions where would the discusion occur?
The internet is where people come to complain. That's how it is and always will be.
Although, Knights of 'Nay' has a certain ring to it too...
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Problem is they very, very rarely, if ever, improve things, preferring as they do to rake over the coals of stale old MMOs and launch a game that LOOKS different but has exactly the same old game mechanics we've seen for over 12 years.
Hell, they can either make something we'll buy or not.
Blaming us for not liking the rehashed rinse and repeat crap isn't going to change anything.
Once upon a time....
I couldn't agree more with what Zaxx had to say. I cut my MMO teeth on Neverwinter Nights on AOL, The Realm, Pretrammel UO, Everquest 1 and AC Darktide
I've recently begun to look to contemorary commercial AAA MMOs, excited to rejoin my old hobby.. what I've found is less than exciting. Even the top three most hyped games, SWTOR, GW2, and Archeage have left me wanting.
Little risk from PvE muchless PvP.
Asian graphics, animations, anime cat people
Instances, insoluating and iscolating player interaction.
Don't even get me started on that concept.
etc etc
MMORPG were games that actually hated their players, corpse runs, exp loss, pvp loot, while not appealing to the new larger audience of gamers nursed on WoW, needs to be atleast somewhat present in a persistant world. I'm not sure what happened, weither it was EQII or WoW, but the Kid Gloves need to come off, or atleast have a few fingers removed. And with all the talk from the MMO titans of days gone by, Garriot and McQuid, to moving to a more FarmVille esque direction is equally distressing. The future looks bleak guys. Very bleak. I think were stuck with NPCs with glowing shit above their head until 2013 / 2014 and just because you bring them 30 womprat tails instead of 30 rat tails doesn't make any different to me.
For instance.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM_C4WqADFg
Exactly this. Personally, after playing MMORPGs for 14 years, I know exactly what I like in my MMO's. I don't necessarily need to play the game to know whether or not I'm going to like it purely based upon the feature list and beta impressions.
I used to be the type that was always following an MMO in development, but after several years of disappointments, I became aware of what to look for. SWTOR looks to be too much of a single player game masked as an MMO following WoW's cookie cutter gameplay, with little class diversity. No thank you, I already played WoW to death, including grinding out the original PvP system to 4th place on my server before burning out... I don't need to play it again.
GW2 looks to be the only game on the horizon that's at all interesting to someone like myself. It has nothing really to do with people being unsatisfied and more to do with veterans of the genre knowing what they want. The current crop of MMOs has nothing really to offer me, so I look forward to the future. Hopefully GW2 will provide me with a gameplay experience that I will enjoy for longer than the first month.
Negative opinions are always expressed louder, no matter the product. Wanting it to change is like wishing the earth would start rotating the opposite way.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
Thing is, this is a site to discuss MMO games. Shockingly, that’s what people do. Some are avid fans of a particular game, others… not so much. But most people that post on here have one thing in common: a passionate love (yes even the jaded vets love the genre or they wouldn’t be coming on here to complain) for the genre and like to express their opinions on what they like/don’t like. True, some posters are a bit more “vocal” on their dislikes than their likes but that is normal human behavior. Every time I see a thread like the one here with people complaining about all the negativity, I would like to say the original poster:
Relax, it’s the internet and people like to vent in anonymous forums.
If it bothers you that much, stay away from forums.
You need to have a bit thicker skin if you are going to any kind of site that allows people to give opinions.
Don’t worry: Less than 5% of MMO players bother to post or visit a gaming forum such as MMORPG.com. Only the “rabid” minority frequent sites like this. Developers know this and that’s why they never listen (or care) about what the 5% likes/dislikes.
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...