Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Quick Links
My Story, My Problem, Your Answer.
Anima.
Member Posts: 12
Hi everybody,
I have a problem, no its not contagious 
but it is a problem nonetheless, my problem is MMO's and what todo with them.
Ok a little background to give you a feel of where i'm coming from. I have been playing MMO's now for say a little over 6 years. It started out with UO, after reading about it in PC Gamer in its early days i was in love with the idea of a game like that, anyway I got UO, played it on the official servers for a long time, before drifting away from it, can't remember the reason for that, anyway I ended up sometime later on a private UO server and in the end became a GM for them, I loved it all.
Again i drifted from UO and mmo's for a bit, started to play other online games like Counter Strike in its beta 6.1 days, other such titles like that, then along came a MMO that blow it all away, Neocron, I ended up playing that game for over 2 years and made some of the best friends online ever, to which to this day still play games together even after leaving Neocron long ago.
Anyway Neocron started to die out on us, after being at the top in that game for so long we got bored, and we started to look at what else was around, at the same time SWG was due to hit the shelves, so we snapped it up, it promised us much and we was all Star Wars fans at heart after seeing the original 3 when we was kids "showing my age now lol"
Anyway after 6 months of SWG we got bored, the game wasn't all it was cut out to be, so we left, and looked around again for a new MMO, we then tried EQ1, played that for say 2 weeks before we hated it, it just wasn't us, we needed some PvP and the game was just to old for our liking, we got spoilt with SWG graphics, we then tried DoaC as a few other friends were playing that and they claimed it was really good PvP, we played it a week before dumping it, due to the game controls and graphics being really old and hard to get used to, I guess we always expected something more.
We waited around, I went back to Neocron at this time and others went back to SWG, we kinda bounced between them over and over again, never finding what we wanted, never realising that they was all alike in some way, my friends went for Jedi and I ended up coming back to SWG and trying myself, it was more a effort to not be bored and have something todo than really enjoy the game.
We got burnt out and left, at this time EQ2 came out, we jumped at it, but while it was beautiful to see, the game was shallow, no PvP meant we was just playing what felt like a single player game on co-op. This would not do, time went by and we searched a little here and there, I went back to SWG once again and just drifted through the game, others stuck with EQ2 for a month or two, then WoW was coming, the hype was huge, we couldn't fail to notice it, but I was very VERY reluctant to try it out, I just said to all i knew "where is the fun everyone mentions with the game" and I was right, where was the fun, we all bought the game, and setup a guild which grew, not large enough to do the big raid instances, but I did manage to get to see that with friends in other bigger guilds, and to me playing for 4hrs inside a instance hitting mobs just wasn't me, I stopped playing WoW this week, after 3 months odd of playing that game, having capped chars on servers and knowing so many people there, I left the game and soon the guild folded, others felt the same way, WoW was fun once but it grew boring when you capped your char, and if you wasn't into the whole "item farming" side of it, like EQ1 and 2 was built around, then it just wasn't fun.
Now I sit here, pulling my hair "whats left of it" out of my head with boredom, some of my friends have taken up the free trial offer to play EVE online, I have seen and heard about it, and again it doesn't feel me with excitment, I'm downloading it now only because they already are trying it out, I guess my friends and I enjoy playing games together after so many years, we try to find whats best for us. I myself even tried Shadowbane out today, but that ended rather fast, just didn't like it from the moment it loaded in "no offence to SB players"
Now thats my problem, what game to play, well we like to PvP, but with PvP that has meaning, places to capture and hold to defend, to rape pillage and plunder a enemy, hopefully that being a player town or something, also we want it fairly modern, no outdated graphics or controls, something that is fairly good in terms of fun to be had.
Your Answer: well what is it, what do YOU recommend to us poor gamers who have atm not a lot to be happy about, anything on the horizen you know of that could be the winner "except maybe Darkfall online as we waiting for that little gem :P"
Comments
My honest answer would be to find your old SWG account info. Buy SWG: Total Experience, install and give it another try. If you loved UO as much as you did but original SWG left you wanting 'more' you will more than likely really like it now that it's got more content, spaceflight, vehicles, pets, mounts, etc.
The game has changed dramatically (in my opinion for the better) since release. It's got spaceflight and tons more content now and the professions are much more balanced than they once were. Several people who joined my PA recently are folks that are giving SWG another try who hated it when it originally came out and they've stated that they love it now. No promises but it's the game most like UO on the market and a lot of the stuff that made it such a pain in the rear at release is fixed.
Might also consider EvE.
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online.
Sig image Pending
Still in: A couple Betas
I kind of agree that you should have another look at SWG and, since you're tying the trial, also take a close look at EVE. Both games are quite good.
Bah I'm sorry that I didn't mention that I did in fact try SWG again, not so long ago I paid for a month and went back into the game, SWG before was fairly unbalanced, with Jedi everywhere and so on, the problems was horrible, lvling was a walk in the park on Dant with Quankers etc...
Since i came back the CU was in "combat upgrade to those who didn't know" and I played it for a few days, the grouping was back in the game which just made the lvling side of it tedious, while still fast'ish, Jedi still being top dogs meant other profs was far from fun when you wanted to PvP, at least they did away with defense stackers to some degree.
Anyway no SWG is not a option, the game is beautiful and the whole feel to it was great, but sadly there was nothing to get stuck into and the pvp was and still is a joke, I really don't want to waste 3 months of my life trying to get a Jedi to PvP, been there and done that.
Well then try EVE then. EVE has a lot of PvP in it if you wish to PvP. The issue you'll find with EVE is it will take you a good solid few months before you can be competitive with the EVE PvP set in terms of learning skills, but in the meantime you can still engage in PvP if you find a good corp in an alliance or something like that ... they'll usually have something that a newer player can do to assist in PvP ops.
That's cool
Nothing wrong with not liking a game 
Glad you gave it another try anyway.
I would beg to differ that Jedi are all that awesome in PVP. In a group fight with a decent number of ranged professions they really suffer now, muahahaha, but one on one, yes, they definitely own the battlefield.
Hmmm if you don't like EvE I've been hearing good things about Horizons... now.... normally you couldn't pay me enough to try the game again but since they have a free trial out that one might be worth looking at as well. It had a decent crafting system anyway. Though there's no PvP in it whatsoever...
Might also look at some of the new stuff that's set to come out soon... I have no real info on any of them yet though.
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online.
Sig image Pending
Still in: A couple Betas
Since you're alreadying downloading EVE Online, I 'd say stick with that and spend those 14-days exploring, learning the politics, the warfare, and the players. Don't waste your time grinding away for to make money during your free trial period, you'll just waste time and miss out on the oppertunity to properly evaluate the PvP side of EVE. Take your new character, grab a quick ship and explore the universe of EVE. Try to get a hands-on feeling of how EVE's PvP operates. Don't worry about losing your ship or your character dying b/c if you decide to stay with EVE after the 14-days then I would recommend trashing the character you built during the trial period and start a new one from scratch. Hopefully those 14-days will have given you an idea of what race, skills, and attributes you want your character to start off with.
Now based on your PvP requirements, I'd say you're headed in the right direction with EvE. There are many types of combat PvPers in EVE. They include, pirates, outlaws, anit-pirates, mercenaries, corporations (guilds/clans), alliances (multi-clans), bounty hunters, and a few more that I can't recall at the moment.
Wars are fought for territory, resources, revenge, smack talk, honor, grudges, and because that guys just looks at you the wrong way. Most wars have a meaning/goal/purpose to them that have a direct influence on the EvE universe and its history. In fact, multiple novels can be written on the many alliances that have risen and fallen, infamous pirate corporations, and incredible feats performed by small corporations. The PvP action can occur on the local, regional, and global scale. Perhaps the best thing I can do is provide a visulization of what I'm tryign to describe:
http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/07.07.107C.jpg
Since you're alreadying downloading EVE Online, I 'd say stick with that and spend those 14-days exploring, learning the politics, the warfare, and the players. Don't waste your time grinding away for to make money during your free trial period, you'll just waste time and miss out on the oppertunity to properly evaluate the PvP side of EVE. Take your new character, grab a quick ship and explore the universe of EVE. Try to get a hands-on feeling of how EVE's PvP operates. Don't worry about losing your ship or your character dying b/c if you decide to stay with EVE after the 14-days then I would recommend trashing the character you built during the trial period and start a new one from scratch. Hopefully those 14-days will have given you an idea of what race, skills, and attributes you want your character to start off with.
Now based on your PvP requirements, I'd say you're headed in the right direction with EvE. There are many types of combat PvPers in EVE. They include, pirates, outlaws, anit-pirates, mercenaries, corporations (guilds/clans), alliances (multi-clans), bounty hunters, and a few more that I can't recall at the moment.
Wars are fought for territory, resources, revenge, smack talk, honor, grudges, and because that guys just looks at you the wrong way. Most wars have a meaning/goal/purpose to them that have a direct influence on the EvE universe and its history. In fact, multiple novels can be written on the many alliances that have risen and fallen, infamous pirate corporations, and incredible feats performed by small corporations. The PvP action can occur on the local, regional, and global scale. Perhaps the best thing I can do is provide a visulization of what I'm tryign to describe:
http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/07.07.107C.jpg
Ok sounds fair enough, my friends playing it atm are just mining it seems, or killing the odd npc pirate, hence why i am at odds with playing it, that just doesn't sound that good, they also thought about making their own little clan/guild in it, would you advise against that and join a larger corp?
First impressions mean a lot, they have told me the game looks fantastic in terms of graphics, so at least thats one side of it I won't have to worry about.
A lot of people do that at the beginning, but my advice would be if you don't want to mine, don't bother with it. You can run agent missions and make ISK that way, and also hunting NPC pirates. But the other recommendation to explore and try different things is a very good one.
I would not recommend starting a new corp. It's better to join an existing corp so that experienced players can help you learn the game and also open your horizons more broadly to the possibilities of the game.
A lot of people do that at the beginning, but my advice would be if you don't want to mine, don't bother with it. You can run agent missions and make ISK that way, and also hunting NPC pirates. But the other recommendation to explore and try different things is a very good one.
I would not recommend starting a new corp. It's better to join an existing corp so that experienced players can help you learn the game and also open your horizons more broadly to the possibilities of the game.
hmm seems 2 of our friends already are high lvl, played it for a few years since beta so they are kinda carrying everyone atm...
and i just lost my download after nearly 1hr 30mins, says the connection to the server was reset, damn it
Most EvE players would recommend that you get in contact with another corporation and ask to tag along while you evaluate the game, which is probably the best thing you can do. The best place to do that would be at this recruitment forum:
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=109585
Personally, my recommendation is to:
1. Buy a shuttle (9k isk)
2. Pull up the map (F10)
3. View systems by players active in last 30 mins and by system security rating.
4. Find a system with a security rating of 0.0 that's glowing yellow or red. In fact if it is red then there's 50-100 players in that system gearing up for a huge fight.
5. Set that as your destination and head out there.
You WILL get shot at and mostly likely get killed before you even make it there, but don't worry about that. Strike up a chat with those guys in the local chat channel. Let them know that you are a new person and evaluating a trial account. Majority of EvE players tend to be more mature than other MMO games I've been in...definitly more mature than the CS fan club. They may give you pointers and even an invite to tag along. If you ever make it alive to the red blob let them know who you are what you're doing immediately, otherwise you are toast (they might suspect you to be a spy). If they let you stay, then you'll get a front row seat at the greatest eye-candy light show you'll ever see. In fact, you might want to state your intentions to their sentries that are usually a system or 2 away from the blob.
The whole point of this is to get you to explore the EvE universe, meet new players, hopefully get a chance to tag along with some of them, get a front row seat at some fleet combat operations, and get an idea of what PvP might feel like for a 2-3 month character.
I dont know if I agree with that advice. If he does that, he will likely be podded on the way. Now I agree that when you have a trial account character it doesn't matter that much, but really he's just going to get bounced back to newbie land and then prolly podded again on his next try. A better way is to try to access this area of the game through a corp, because getting podded several times running by the "sentries" who so kindly loiter in places like EC and PF may discourage a newbie player.
My only advice is stop playing games. First of all, why is it a problem that you can't find a game you like? Finding the right entertainment is not a problem per say.
Next, give each game a chance. Playing a game for 1 week and dumping it doesn't say much.
Go back to UO is my last piece of advice. You played it for 6 years, there must be something about it you liked. You probably worked hard at building characters, are wealthy in that game and have it all.
Another option would be to join an existing game that is putting up a new server. The game is new and you have to start fresh like everyone else. Some games issuing new servers soon I know of are WoW and DAOC. It can be discouraging to join an MMO after it has been released for years and see what everyone else has that you don't. Remember MMO's take time to build up characters, can't have it all in a week.
Good luck!
Hooking up with a corp is absolutely the best thing to do, I even noted that and provided the link of where to ask.
What I was suggesting was basicaly another method of meeting other players and possibly tagging along with a PvP corp. EVE is very much a social interaction game and there are a lot of friendly people. Even a lot of pirates (the -5.0 and less scum) won't go pod a newbie if you can convice them you are one and not an alt spy.
In any case, if you follow my reccomendation be prepared to have you ship blown up many many many times followed by your pod destroyed (character death) as well. Learn to immediately warp your pod to a station, planet, star, or safespot after your ship is destroyed. This wil give you an opportunity to chat with the people in local, get a few pointers, and some laughs to boot.
On a side note, I figure that for a 15-20 jump trip into 0.0, he'll probably lose a ship in low security space once or twice before making it into 0.0. The chance of actually making it alive into an active battleground to watch the fight is damn small, but it has been known to happen.
Sometimes I wish CCP would provide an ID flag noting who is a trial account character.
Hi Anima,
I think you'll like EVE once you get past the initial learning curve. PVP means a lot because Death has such a high penalty in that game.
Check out Saga of Ryzom when they eventually released Outposts, or you might want to check it out now to get a feel for the game.
Both games I mentioned have a bit more depth in gameplays then WoW and EQ2, which seems to be the bane of your frustration
PvP in Shadowbane, but I'd wait for Roma Victor, it's starting to get a lot of attention as people realise it's the closest game to UO to be launched for years and has the balance I believe a *lot* of mmo players have been looking for. An article about the features in RV below, you'll be interested in the combat description.
http://www.roma-victor.com/sotw
A recent preview from a beta tester: -
mmorpg.com preview
LOL, I feel fully identified with your problem!!!
I was in the same situation sort time ago, and the conclusion was: "the game we are looking for does not exist jet
"
anyway, from the alternatives I have seen. EVE is the nearest one to our goal. The problem with it is the fact EVE is sci-fi and I love fantasy far beyond sci-fi, but it EVE where fantasy, it should be the game.
So, I hope EVE will help you as it is helping me to cover the gap waiting for the game we are really looking for.