Remember that game Age of Conan? it had the best graphics utiltized at the time. Know why it didn't do so well? Because a majority of its player base that wanted to play the game could not run it on their systems.
Your mis informed. That isn't true at all. Thats just your assumption. Age of Conan didn't do as great as other MMO's because people expected more from it. The game was heavily instanced as well, some gamers dont like that. People also complained at launched about serious bugs, and that the crafting was sub par. Some people didn't like the pvp in it either. Again that had nothing too do with the "graphics"
Remember that game Age of Conan? it had the best graphics utiltized at the time. Know why it didn't do so well? Because a majority of its player base that wanted to play the game could not run it on their systems.
Yes AoC was somewhat unoptimized when it was released but that wasent the major reason why people left the game.
It was all the bugs, broken quests and very poor endgame so dont talk bullshit about people left beacuse of the good graphics and crappy PC.
Well I think the answer should be obvious unless your unbelievably stupid . When your playing Skyrim your playing a solo game if you put in graphics like this to an mmorpg you would be faced with the prospect of only several thousands of people playing it because the average person with the average pc cant run it .
Considering these games are aimed at a mass audiance they have to be played by a mass audiance to be successful .
Maybe you think everyone has a powerful pc like yours ??? You really don't live in the real world if you think that .
But it does illustrate what I've been saying for a long time before mmos can become graphically more up to date either an mmo friendly console needs to be developed or streamed online "cloud" gaming will become a reality ( allowing the internet and not your PC to handle the processing power of a game .
Other than that all I can say about StarWars TOR without breaking the NDA like you have just done with your silly little hissy fit is I disagree with you .
Oh I think the vast majority of PC gamers have somewhat updated computers. Maybe not the latest hardware spec's but definitely not the old clunkers of old.
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I am playing SKYRIM on my pc with a high end nvidia graphic card. The graphics in the game are amazing!! The attention to detail, the trees, rocks, water all come alive in this game. Then I saw a video demo of SWTOR. Now before you post the usual responses of --- "Hey dummy it's a single user game and not a MMO, a MMO couldn't handle those type of graphics", let me say this...
Why the hell not!!!!
Honestly, figure out a way around the lag issues with high end graphics and change the game. The graphics in SWTOR are horrible, cartoonish, and appear outdated. People, my dad survied a complete heart transplant. Scientist are on the age of discovering particles that travel faster then the speed of light. IT'S 2012 and we continue to accept that mmo's have to have low end sub par graphics because why exactly? I've read excuses like, "it would not be profitable for the gaming company to invest in expensive server and graphics cards to sustatin their MMO so they design their games with low end graphics, and also becasue most pc's can't play high end graphics."
Well, if a people still have VCR's, does that mean we don't use DVD'S.
COME ON GAMEING COMPANIES, STOP IT WITH THE CARTOONISH GRAPHICS TO SAVE MONEY! WE DEMAND BETTER IN 2012. STAR WARS IS AN AWESOME IP, AND IT'S A SHAME TO CREATE AN MMO USING THIS IP BUT WITH CARTOONISH GRAPHICS. ABSOULUTELY HORRIBLE!!!!
It's time for the MMO graphics to evolve with the rest of the gaming world, otherwise, it may go the way of the VCR.
eq2 tried this in 2004 .result was you needed a very good system to run it to look beautifully,those with lower system ran it low and resulted in bleh looks.
rumours went out how bad eq2 graphics is and like most things in the world it started a wave even when 90% never tried it but claimed it was bad.
fact remains you need to keep the graphics that even 5 yr old systems can easily run it or lose a large portion of gamers.wow did this and look at its numbers.
also when you have people build system jst to try a new game like in AoC ,if it fails to impress them they can really turn into the local internet troll.guess if you build a system for just a certain game you expectation bar is raised pretty high.
You can not have high end graphics in MMO's, there are simply too many people running around. Every model uses resources, the higher the polygons the more people that won't get to play without $2000 rigs.
FFXIV proves you wrong. My PC cost 800 Euro and i run it at max effects in 1920x1080.
So what was that about a MMO can not have high end graphics?
they have a trick to that the charactes fad when theres alot of traffic
You can not have high end graphics in MMO's, there are simply too many people running around. Every model uses resources, the higher the polygons the more people that won't get to play without $2000 rigs.
FFXIV proves you wrong. My PC cost 800 Euro and i run it at max effects in 1920x1080.
So what was that about a MMO can not have high end graphics?
Maybe but your PC would either stuggle with an open world mmo with graphics like Skyrims or wouldn't be able to play it .
Why? I have no issues in Skyrim with 20 NPC around me.
Sure, in a city there might be more than 20, but that can be otimized by using various tricks like LOD reduction or characters fading in. Players can be instanced (in the graphics card not as a game instance) and it reduces the resources needed.
Most players do look the same anyway, so there is no need to render them individually. You can display a crowd of about 100 people with a mere 25 instanced Avatars and that is beeing gratious with the differnt appearances. That would be 25 different armor sets (mix and match them and you get thousands of possible combinations without increasing the render engine footprint).
This technology is available right now.
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It's not to save money, it's to make money. Most people can't afford high-end machines, which means you have a much broader customer base with graphics that are tamer. Skyrim doesn't need to sell hundreds of thousands to millions of copies to make money, but an MMO does. So you tone down the graphics and leave options to max them out for those of us who have the high end machines. Simple economics.
I am playing SKYRIM on my pc with a high end nvidia graphic card. The graphics in the game are amazing!! The attention to detail, the trees, rocks, water all come alive in this game. Then I saw a video demo of SWTOR. Now before you post the usual responses of --- "Hey dummy it's a single user game and not a MMO, a MMO couldn't handle those type of graphics", let me say this...
Why the hell not!!!!
Honestly, figure out a way around the lag issues with high end graphics and change the game. The graphics in SWTOR are horrible, cartoonish, and appear outdated. People, my dad survied a complete heart transplant. Scientist are on the age of discovering particles that travel faster then the speed of light. IT'S 2012 and we continue to accept that mmo's have to have low end sub par graphics because why exactly? I've read excuses like, "it would not be profitable for the gaming company to invest in expensive server and graphics cards to sustatin their MMO so they design their games with low end graphics, and also becasue most pc's can't play high end graphics."
Well, if a people still have VCR's, does that mean we don't use DVD'S.
COME ON GAMEING COMPANIES, STOP IT WITH THE CARTOONISH GRAPHICS TO SAVE MONEY! WE DEMAND BETTER IN 2012. STAR WARS IS AN AWESOME IP, AND IT'S A SHAME TO CREATE AN MMO USING THIS IP BUT WITH CARTOONISH GRAPHICS. ABSOULUTELY HORRIBLE!!!!
It's time for the MMO graphics to evolve with the rest of the gaming world, otherwise, it may go the way of the VCR.
Unfortunately Skyrim will appear to look like crap a year or two from now because the technology will be upgraded. Photorealism graphics do that. Fortunately Skyrim doesn;t have to worry about that because I doubt many will be playing that game 6 months from now, let alone 1 or 2 years from now.
SWTOR will be around for a long time. This game WILL be epic and (since the NDA is lfted) can now say IS epic. They plan on running this game for a long while. They would do themselves and their playerbase a diservice to try and overhaul photorealistc graphics rather than stylized graphics over the coming years. And like the other poster said, "you're not a programmer".
Could they not offer a high rez, low rez client for those with better pc's? Seems like a deal to me.....or the very least make presets to accomodate the persons wants and needs.
I see no reason to not have single player graphics in a mmo, other than server side issues. They should be able to make it work regardless, things can be turned down or off and still look like a good game. Offer texture packs or something for those who can handle it.
I think Rift is pretty close here.....the game on Ultra settings looks very nice (still not Skyrim, but very nice) Most cant handle those settings, but they make it work for them.....the rest of us can have a gorgeous game!
i loved the graphics in tor. Having played it first hnd the scenery is very well done. ord mantell looks and feels like a war torn planet. , tyton looked and felt like a world that no one had been on for a while.
The character models arent top of the line but its ok. I dont see any issues. I actually like there grapics and character models better then i did lotro or aoc .
its a personal thing i like styleized graphics. I like cartoony character models so to speak. i think graphics haven seen them up close in tor are great.
Could they not offer a high rez, low rez client for those with better pc's? Seems like a deal to me.....or the very least make presets to accomodate the persons wants and needs.
I see no reason to not have single player graphics in a mmo, other than server side issues. They should be able to make it work regardless, things can be turned down or off and still look like a good game. Offer texture packs or something for those who can handle it.
I think Rift is pretty close here.....the game on Ultra settings looks very nice (still not Skyrim, but very nice) Most cant handle those settings, but they make it work for them.....the rest of us can have a gorgeous game!
From what I'm reading on the SWTOR forums DX11 graphics will be offered either at launch or shortly after it. Right now they're running in low spec mode for the beta testing. AA turned off, low rez skins, etc. So the game should look at least high quality DX9. Keep in mind that the game has a specific art style attached to it so it won't look like Rift or other newer games.
Skyrim has great landscapes, but the pseudo realism loses out when you realize how bad the animations are. There's several problems with equipment merging into each other and they greatly limited the amount of different locales in the game. It's good, but it's not some phenomenal ground-breaking game graphics wise (or gameplay wise, it's still Elder scrolls..)
SWToR doesn't have the best graphics, but there's a few things I wanted to point out
- The graphics are very smooth, not the same jagged edge crap you get in games like WoW, EQ2, AoC..etc
- Animations are great, the detail on facial animations especially.
-Lighting is very good as well
-ITS NOT THE FINAL BUILD YET. Even in the last beta weekend graphics were toned down a bit. I'm not saying it's going to look amazing on release, but expect at least some tweaks and refinements once it is released.
All that said, graphics are pretty much opinion based, and it sounds to me like your problem isn't graphics but art style. Art style isn't going to change.
Well i agree we could have better graphics there is a HUGE problem.
No developer is going to work with DX11/12 it would alienate far too many gamers,so it is going to be awhile yet before the devs are going to move past DX9 tech.
For the most part devs are just ripping us off,they are seriously too cheap to give us a better product.Using SWTOR as an example,they delivered low poly texture/graphics,they COULD have delivered BOTH,but chose to go the cheap route.
Then you have a game like GW2 who will have decent looking textures but they eliminate effort in many other areas.
IMO Bioware did not put out a decent effort,it looks to fall more in line with Star Trek online,which i was severely dissappointed in.I don't see the effort in textures,i don't see effort in mapping and i don't see effort in backdrop action.It seriously looks like it was made as a single player game and even still fails to live up to effort.
I am actually very dissappointed in Bioware,i knew awhile back the graphics were going to look bad,however i did expect an epic feeling to their maps.I expected to see lots of NPC's fighting alongside with you versus the resistance.possibly several bosses roaming about a map fighting and destroying things.I expected to see a map scenariuo where it looked like LIVE action,instead they are bosses waiting to spawn in when you arrive,VERY static game play.
Think of those maps when playing Half Life when you have those Giant spider like walkers roaming the map fighting the resistance,tons of live action and is very exciting,Bioware doesn't seem to know how to replicate that type of action.
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HAha ARTSTYLE? I heard that same nonsense with Wow.no i am sorry but SWTOR has very low end graphics.There is also a LOT more that goes into it than JUST hi res textures,YES lighting is part of it,and imo it fails there as well.
Just look at their maps and what little architecture or detai lis in them.Also notice how their action is focused into very small areas,totally like a single player game.There is never any Epic feel to maps/zones and action.
More action Notice how yo uhave those giant spiders walking around and fights going on otehr than your own,this is what would make great MMO action.You don't need super hi res textures to make great graphics,you just need some effort.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Skyrim has great landscapes, but the pseudo realism loses out when you realize how bad the animations are. There's several problems with equipment merging into each other and they greatly limited the amount of different locales in the game. It's good, but it's not some phenomenal ground-breaking game graphics wise (or gameplay wise, it's still Elder scrolls..)
SWToR doesn't have the best graphics, but there's a few things I wanted to point out
- The graphics are very smooth, not the same jagged edge crap you get in games like WoW, EQ2, AoC..etc
- Animations are great, the detail on facial animations especially.
-Lighting is very good as well
-ITS NOT THE FINAL BUILD YET. Even in the last beta weekend graphics were toned down a bit. I'm not saying it's going to look amazing on release, but expect at least some tweaks and refinements once it is released.
All that said, graphics are pretty much opinion based, and it sounds to me like your problem isn't graphics but art style. Art style isn't going to change.
Ok, at this point, you'e just a thinly disguised hater/troll who found something to complain about. You don't like the game, fine, god knows I won't miss you when I'm playing it.
It comes down to time. The reason why certain game engines are used is because they are faster to build the game, less costs. You can make an MMO with amazing high end graphics like Skyrim but the cost is increased by 10 fold because the content and design is going to take much much much longer to build the game. Look at Aion, it uses the first crytek engine, game looks really good but took forever to make and costed a fortune even with the amazing crytek toolset and engine to build the game.
SWTOR uses the hero engine which was built initially 2005 or 2006 and heavily modified over the years. It is one of the easiest and fastest toolset engines to build an mmo of anyone else in the world currently. Now with that said, you can build your own engine toolset to do the job just as fast with better graphics but it will take a very large time to construct the high polygons needed to make the game comparable to high end graphics. And might I add DX11 is a harder more time consuming set to work with for mmo developers. So remember that it isn't that it can't be done it is a matter of time and investment costs.
They really aren't that bad of graphics, they are better than WoW's. Its simply preference. I really enjoy the cartoonish style.
I love Skyrim, but my graphics card was not good enough to play it on my computer. Stop being selfish and realize that a lot of people can't afford the great, new graphics cards now, especially in our economy. That money is better spent in something you need. They lower the graphics so more people can play it on their computer and enjoy the story. The reason Skyrim could do high end graphics is because not only can you play on the computer, but it is on the Xbox and the Playstation.
Unfortunately Skyrim will appear to look like crap a year or two from now because the technology will be upgraded. Photorealism graphics do that. Fortunately Skyrim doesn;t have to worry about that because I doubt many will be playing that game 6 months from now, let alone 1 or 2 years from now.
SWTOR will be around for a long time. This game WILL be epic and (since the NDA is lfted) can now say IS epic. They plan on running this game for a long while. They would do themselves and their playerbase a diservice to try and overhaul photorealistc graphics rather than stylized graphics over the coming years. And like the other poster said, "you're not a programmer".
I don't get why people think that cartoonized graphics don't look dated and somehow photorealictic ones do. WoW's graphics looked like shit when they came out, and they still look like shit today.
You can not have high end graphics in MMO's, there are simply too many people running around. Every model uses resources, the higher the polygons the more people that won't get to play without $2000 rigs.
FFXIV proves you wrong. My PC cost 800 Euro and i run it at max effects in 1920x1080.
So what was that about a MMO can not have high end graphics?
I just registered to this site today just for this comment here lol, I been viewing this site for i dunno tooo damn long but never registered because, the discussions here get really rediculous.
But this guy Right here taus01 1ud'd the hell out of the 1upper lol
Taus kindly post your Dxdiag and a video of you running ffxiv on max effects with even 30 fps @ 1080 and I will buy your machine for 1200 Euro .
on topic , I do agree that they could have done a better job on the graphics side, but also they did have to consider the fact they didnt want players to have issues and didnt want to push users to get new hardware.
The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.
To all those out there I say this . Give Tor a miss why play a game with outdated graphics and a eq/wow style when u can play the game of the century .
Skyrim has no sescriptions and it is bueatiful stunning game and trust me after playing 30 hours so far it blitzes over every single mmo I have played though it does have small bugs they will be addressed . I say some out there in mmo land make a mmo that has all the qualities and value for $ non will because the mmo world is only for the quick buck they don't care about quality anymore .
So I say this give Tor a miss it's outdated before it begins and that goes for any mmo that's eq/wow based shitty graphics.
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Your mis informed. That isn't true at all. Thats just your assumption. Age of Conan didn't do as great as other MMO's because people expected more from it. The game was heavily instanced as well, some gamers dont like that. People also complained at launched about serious bugs, and that the crafting was sub par. Some people didn't like the pvp in it either. Again that had nothing too do with the "graphics"
Yes AoC was somewhat unoptimized when it was released but that wasent the major reason why people left the game.
It was all the bugs, broken quests and very poor endgame so dont talk bullshit about people left beacuse of the good graphics and crappy PC.
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
Oh I think the vast majority of PC gamers have somewhat updated computers. Maybe not the latest hardware spec's but definitely not the old clunkers of old.
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eq2 tried this in 2004 .result was you needed a very good system to run it to look beautifully,those with lower system ran it low and resulted in bleh looks.
rumours went out how bad eq2 graphics is and like most things in the world it started a wave even when 90% never tried it but claimed it was bad.
fact remains you need to keep the graphics that even 5 yr old systems can easily run it or lose a large portion of gamers.wow did this and look at its numbers.
also when you have people build system jst to try a new game like in AoC ,if it fails to impress them they can really turn into the local internet troll.guess if you build a system for just a certain game you expectation bar is raised pretty high.
I will play swtor if the game mechanics and feel is the same as WoW. Better than having a 24/7 lag fest when there is more than 20 ppl in your screen.
they have a trick to that the charactes fad when theres alot of traffic
Why? I have no issues in Skyrim with 20 NPC around me.
Sure, in a city there might be more than 20, but that can be otimized by using various tricks like LOD reduction or characters fading in. Players can be instanced (in the graphics card not as a game instance) and it reduces the resources needed.
Most players do look the same anyway, so there is no need to render them individually. You can display a crowd of about 100 people with a mere 25 instanced Avatars and that is beeing gratious with the differnt appearances. That would be 25 different armor sets (mix and match them and you get thousands of possible combinations without increasing the render engine footprint).
This technology is available right now.
It's not to save money, it's to make money. Most people can't afford high-end machines, which means you have a much broader customer base with graphics that are tamer. Skyrim doesn't need to sell hundreds of thousands to millions of copies to make money, but an MMO does. So you tone down the graphics and leave options to max them out for those of us who have the high end machines. Simple economics.
Unfortunately Skyrim will appear to look like crap a year or two from now because the technology will be upgraded. Photorealism graphics do that. Fortunately Skyrim doesn;t have to worry about that because I doubt many will be playing that game 6 months from now, let alone 1 or 2 years from now.
SWTOR will be around for a long time. This game WILL be epic and (since the NDA is lfted) can now say IS epic. They plan on running this game for a long while. They would do themselves and their playerbase a diservice to try and overhaul photorealistc graphics rather than stylized graphics over the coming years. And like the other poster said, "you're not a programmer".
Could they not offer a high rez, low rez client for those with better pc's? Seems like a deal to me.....or the very least make presets to accomodate the persons wants and needs.
I see no reason to not have single player graphics in a mmo, other than server side issues. They should be able to make it work regardless, things can be turned down or off and still look like a good game. Offer texture packs or something for those who can handle it.
I think Rift is pretty close here.....the game on Ultra settings looks very nice (still not Skyrim, but very nice) Most cant handle those settings, but they make it work for them.....the rest of us can have a gorgeous game!
i loved the graphics in tor. Having played it first hnd the scenery is very well done. ord mantell looks and feels like a war torn planet. , tyton looked and felt like a world that no one had been on for a while.
The character models arent top of the line but its ok. I dont see any issues. I actually like there grapics and character models better then i did lotro or aoc .
its a personal thing i like styleized graphics. I like cartoony character models so to speak. i think graphics haven seen them up close in tor are great.
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Thread is over now.
From what I'm reading on the SWTOR forums DX11 graphics will be offered either at launch or shortly after it. Right now they're running in low spec mode for the beta testing. AA turned off, low rez skins, etc. So the game should look at least high quality DX9. Keep in mind that the game has a specific art style attached to it so it won't look like Rift or other newer games.
Skyrim has great landscapes, but the pseudo realism loses out when you realize how bad the animations are. There's several problems with equipment merging into each other and they greatly limited the amount of different locales in the game. It's good, but it's not some phenomenal ground-breaking game graphics wise (or gameplay wise, it's still Elder scrolls..)
SWToR doesn't have the best graphics, but there's a few things I wanted to point out
- The graphics are very smooth, not the same jagged edge crap you get in games like WoW, EQ2, AoC..etc
- Animations are great, the detail on facial animations especially.
-Lighting is very good as well
-ITS NOT THE FINAL BUILD YET. Even in the last beta weekend graphics were toned down a bit. I'm not saying it's going to look amazing on release, but expect at least some tweaks and refinements once it is released.
All that said, graphics are pretty much opinion based, and it sounds to me like your problem isn't graphics but art style. Art style isn't going to change.
Well i agree we could have better graphics there is a HUGE problem.
No developer is going to work with DX11/12 it would alienate far too many gamers,so it is going to be awhile yet before the devs are going to move past DX9 tech.
For the most part devs are just ripping us off,they are seriously too cheap to give us a better product.Using SWTOR as an example,they delivered low poly texture/graphics,they COULD have delivered BOTH,but chose to go the cheap route.
Then you have a game like GW2 who will have decent looking textures but they eliminate effort in many other areas.
IMO Bioware did not put out a decent effort,it looks to fall more in line with Star Trek online,which i was severely dissappointed in.I don't see the effort in textures,i don't see effort in mapping and i don't see effort in backdrop action.It seriously looks like it was made as a single player game and even still fails to live up to effort.
I am actually very dissappointed in Bioware,i knew awhile back the graphics were going to look bad,however i did expect an epic feeling to their maps.I expected to see lots of NPC's fighting alongside with you versus the resistance.possibly several bosses roaming about a map fighting and destroying things.I expected to see a map scenariuo where it looked like LIVE action,instead they are bosses waiting to spawn in when you arrive,VERY static game play.
Think of those maps when playing Half Life when you have those Giant spider like walkers roaming the map fighting the resistance,tons of live action and is very exciting,Bioware doesn't seem to know how to replicate that type of action.
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HAha ARTSTYLE? I heard that same nonsense with Wow.no i am sorry but SWTOR has very low end graphics.There is also a LOT more that goes into it than JUST hi res textures,YES lighting is part of it,and imo it fails there as well.
Just look at their maps and what little architecture or detai lis in them.Also notice how their action is focused into very small areas,totally like a single player game.There is never any Epic feel to maps/zones and action.
HL action
More action Notice how yo uhave those giant spiders walking around and fights going on otehr than your own,this is what would make great MMO action.You don't need super hi res textures to make great graphics,you just need some effort.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Ok, at this point, you'e just a thinly disguised hater/troll who found something to complain about. You don't like the game, fine, god knows I won't miss you when I'm playing it.
It comes down to time. The reason why certain game engines are used is because they are faster to build the game, less costs. You can make an MMO with amazing high end graphics like Skyrim but the cost is increased by 10 fold because the content and design is going to take much much much longer to build the game. Look at Aion, it uses the first crytek engine, game looks really good but took forever to make and costed a fortune even with the amazing crytek toolset and engine to build the game.
SWTOR uses the hero engine which was built initially 2005 or 2006 and heavily modified over the years. It is one of the easiest and fastest toolset engines to build an mmo of anyone else in the world currently. Now with that said, you can build your own engine toolset to do the job just as fast with better graphics but it will take a very large time to construct the high polygons needed to make the game comparable to high end graphics. And might I add DX11 is a harder more time consuming set to work with for mmo developers. So remember that it isn't that it can't be done it is a matter of time and investment costs.
They really aren't that bad of graphics, they are better than WoW's. Its simply preference. I really enjoy the cartoonish style.
I love Skyrim, but my graphics card was not good enough to play it on my computer. Stop being selfish and realize that a lot of people can't afford the great, new graphics cards now, especially in our economy. That money is better spent in something you need. They lower the graphics so more people can play it on their computer and enjoy the story. The reason Skyrim could do high end graphics is because not only can you play on the computer, but it is on the Xbox and the Playstation.
The cake is still a lie.
I don't get why people think that cartoonized graphics don't look dated and somehow photorealictic ones do. WoW's graphics looked like shit when they came out, and they still look like shit today.
I just registered to this site today just for this comment here lol, I been viewing this site for i dunno tooo damn long but never registered because, the discussions here get really rediculous.
But this guy Right here taus01 1ud'd the hell out of the 1upper lol
Taus kindly post your Dxdiag and a video of you running ffxiv on max effects with even 30 fps @ 1080 and I will buy your machine for 1200 Euro
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on topic , I do agree that they could have done a better job on the graphics side, but also they did have to consider the fact they didnt want players to have issues and didnt want to push users to get new hardware.
The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.
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Say what you want about graphics but frankly I think WoW-Wrath of the Litch king looked better than TOR did in beta. It is nothing special at all.
I agree with the op but I think this sums it up .
To all those out there I say this . Give Tor a miss why play a game with outdated graphics and a eq/wow style when u can play the game of the century .
Skyrim has no sescriptions and it is bueatiful stunning game and trust me after playing 30 hours so far it blitzes over every single mmo I have played though it does have small bugs they will be addressed . I say some out there in mmo land make a mmo that has all the qualities and value for $ non will because the mmo world is only for the quick buck they don't care about quality anymore .
So I say this give Tor a miss it's outdated before it begins and that goes for any mmo that's eq/wow based shitty graphics.
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Firefall
I kinda like the graphics. I don't see the fuss.
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