Fuck I wasn't aware that the only MMO where you would want to reroll would have a replaybility problem.
Give me 3 reasons to reroll in WoW or anyother game.
1- variety of classes and races
2- variety of leveling areas (so you dont go through the same places to level other toons)
3- so many quests you dont have to do neither all of them nor the exact same ones with every toon..
there you have ur 3 reasons to reroll in WoW. My sub ended weeks ago and ill be playing swtor till Mist of Pandaria launches. Also, those three reasons i gave you are the reasons i stopped playing Rift (not fun to reroll in Rift)... I have some toons in WoW (both ally and horde) and i have leveled them doing different things in different areas. So yeah, maybe other mmos dont let you do that, but WoW isnt one of them.
I remember WAR Online getting lots of pre- and post-release positive reviews, and last I checked, that game was (and still is) a flaming pile of dung.
This is basically a non-argument. WoW and LotrO got lots of pre- and post-release positive reviews as well, and they became very successful with good retention of their players.
Actually you helped TGSOL prove his point. All games with deep pockets get good reviews. WOW, LOTRO,Aion,Warhammer, AOC, all the big name titles. Game site reviews mean nothing other than the devs threw some money at the site. Is TOR a dog or a winner? I dont know but im not going to take someones word for it who''s bread is buttered by the game maker. As my old buddy used to say, money talks and bullshit walks.
People like you should indeed ignore all reviews posted by gaming sites or in mags, because with that kind of thinking they're indeed completely useless for you.
The argument made is a simple one: sometimes a good review is simply because a game is good and the reviewer thought it was awesome, as enough official game reviews of good games have proven.
People who lack the ability to generally look at reviews in perspective should indeed distrust every single review they encounter by default.
Really? So just how do you decide which reviews are legit and which ones were paid for? Considering those games that were garbage got the same great reviews as those that went on to succeed. People like me would like to know how you see what others cannot.
Really? This game sucks and Im not having fun? Im going to unsub right now. Thanks for the tip.
I just know i enjoyed the time i had in tor beta immensly. Im not being bought or anything i really dont care who likes tor or doesnt. I for one had a blast.
There is so much replayability in this game . The class stories alone are worth it.
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the stoiies in this game are amazing and a great reason to play as is the choices and the things those choices lead u to.
U dont like thisg ame or the positive reviews fine i dont like the negative reviews when they are basicly wrong. Or even say things that make no sense.
Im gonna play all 8 classes. wow has alot of replayability by the way its hwy its still king after 7 yrs.
tor has alot of good about it. In the end the one thing that matters to me is did i have fun.
I had a balst i looked up after 5 hrs and didnt realized id played that long i lost myself in this game. i know not everyone did like tor. I realize not everyone will like tor so what.
Tor is a great game to me and i cant wait for release.
So...lots of positive with a few negative beta test reviewers, lots of positive with one negative review from big sites (yeah that gamespy one keeps getting linked, i'm now 70% certian thats the only negative one out there, really it's the only, and i do mean only one that keeps getting linked. shows good signs for sw:tor)
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
I remember WAR Online getting lots of pre- and post-release positive reviews, and last I checked, that game was (and still is) a flaming pile of dung.
This is basically a non-argument. WoW and LotrO got lots of pre- and post-release positive reviews as well, and they became very successful with good retention of their players.
Actually you helped TGSOL prove his point. All games with deep pockets get good reviews. WOW, LOTRO,Aion,Warhammer, AOC, all the big name titles. Game site reviews mean nothing other than the devs threw some money at the site. Is TOR a dog or a winner? I dont know but im not going to take someones word for it who''s bread is buttered by the game maker. As my old buddy used to say, money talks and bullshit walks.
People like you should indeed ignore all reviews posted by gaming sites or in mags, because with that kind of thinking they're indeed completely useless for you.
The argument made is a simple one: sometimes a good review is simply because a game is good and the reviewer thought it was awesome, as enough official game reviews of good games have proven.
People who lack the ability to generally look at reviews in perspective should indeed distrust every single review they encounter by default.
Hasn't every tripple A title released this year been hailed as the game of the year, etc etc. Honestly it's gotten to the point where reviews will never impact my decision of whether or not I'm going to buy a game. I've grown accustomed to the fact that when it comes to game reviews, palms will be greased. With that said I now turn to gameplay footage for my answers. Frankly I have yet to see any good gameplay footage from this game.
I remember WAR Online getting lots of pre- and post-release positive reviews, and last I checked, that game was (and still is) a flaming pile of dung.
This is basically a non-argument. WoW and LotrO got lots of pre- and post-release positive reviews as well, and they became very successful with good retention of their players.
Actually you helped TGSOL prove his point. All games with deep pockets get good reviews. WOW, LOTRO,Aion,Warhammer, AOC, all the big name titles. Game site reviews mean nothing other than the devs threw some money at the site. Is TOR a dog or a winner? I dont know but im not going to take someones word for it who''s bread is buttered by the game maker. As my old buddy used to say, money talks and bullshit walks.
People like you should indeed ignore all reviews posted by gaming sites or in mags, because with that kind of thinking they're indeed completely useless for you.
The argument made is a simple one: sometimes a good review is simply because a game is good and the reviewer thought it was awesome, as enough official game reviews of good games have proven.
People who lack the ability to generally look at reviews in perspective should indeed distrust every single review they encounter by default.
Really? So just how do you decide which reviews are legit and which ones were paid for? Considering those games that were garbage got the same great reviews as those that went on to succeed. People like me would like to know how you see what others cannot.
or you could simply ignore all the reviews from everywhere (as you have a distrust for them) and pick up a beta key, you still have a few hours of window left (if you haven't already) to pick up one from this site (still about 3k left) and jog over to swtor.com and register one, then play it for yourself. that really is the best way to find out what the game is like and how well you do or do not connect with it.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
I tell u what ive seen alot of game footage that looks pretty good considering they are mostly on third party cameras. I will say this nothing id seen online prepared me for how amazing the visuals in this game were.l
Im sorry this game was just amazing once u got it on yoru own screen. The videos out there dont come close to given it justice.
Id say they give u a 20 pct view of what this game really looks like when u actually play it yourself. Dont like the videos do yourself a favor and try it the worst thing that happens is u dont like it.
Thats fine it just means its not the game for u but if u let you tube videos keep u from playing this game u are doing youself a disservice.
Im not saying ull like it i dont know what kinds of games u like. That said the gameplay and story kept me glued to the screen till my angry gf made me stop p laying.
she loved it also her problem as it was her beta and i was taken up her time.
Hasn't every tripple A title released this year been hailed as the game of the year, etc etc. Honestly it's gotten to the point where reviews will never impact my decision of whether or not I'm going to buy a game. I've grown accustomed to the fact that when it comes to game reviews, palms will be greased. With that said I now turn to gameplay footage for my answers. Frankly I have yet to see any good gameplay footage from this game.
That's why I said that all reviews should be looked at in perspective, but if someone doesn't know how to do that then indeed should they distrust all reviews by default. But come on, let's be realistic, all good reviews about Skyrim, or BF3 or MW3 or Deau Ex were also all bought and a lie, all those games being complete frauds? Is that really what (some) people are thinking about positive reviews of gaming sites and mags, is that really a claim they can make?
Gameplay footage isn't saying anything about how a game actually plays, some games looked awesome in footage but were lacking severely in gaming enjoyment when actually played (eg AoC, not for me but for many this was the case) while sometimes a game can look meh in gameplay footage while when actually playing it's pretty great. I wasn't impressed at all when seeing gameplay footage of WoW back then, but there's no denying that its gameplay and controls are smooth, responsive and have a good flow to it.
Then again, to each their own way of decisionmaking, after all what works for one person doesn't have to work for another person.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Every individual will have a different idea about what they want from a game . What you have to look at is what the trend of the majority of these reviews are . Overwealming is possative . Same applys to these forums most people like what they saw in the beta . I personally think it potentially break records .
Untill I played the beta I thought if could garner upto a maximum of 2 million players now I think it will be signifantly more than that .
I too pre-ordered after the last beta weekend which is breaking my golden rule to wait 2 months after release before joining a new game . This is pretty much everything I hoped for and more . Its something I can see myself playing for years to come . At least untill they release and expansion of martial arts Ewoks for the Asian market that is . :P ( nah no company would ever be that stupid would they ? )
MMO.maverick, i'm not really surprised, we've seen this before. anytime something positive comes out, it's deemed paid off, as obviously the game must be crap, anytime something negative comes out, it's the pinacle of truth and leveled head. what is amusing is i can easilly see what would have happened if this had been in reverse.
The roles would be exactly opposite, they would be saying something like see you fanbois you made it out to be something great but the reviewers from all the big and even small and even the testers themselves say it's crap. You all need to open your eyes, these review sites know what they are talking about. They saw through your veil.
While the fans would be saying that most of them are paid off by competing companies and not true or miss the point.
I'm curious how many of them that say they dont' trust review sites are because they actually don't trust review sites (positive or negative) or how many distrust the review site because it is positive. Either way assuming the site is paid off is a bit of a leap without said proof and is bordling on slanderous against that site. Your basically saying they took a kickback to make the game look good. Good thing theres anomity on the internet or they might be in real trouble if this ever came to light.
It's basic mud slinging, i hated it in politics and now seeing it in games i'm reminded why i avoid news. Too depressing for my taste, all this blood thristy attitude and wanting things to fail. Makes me wonder how many of these people are actual gamers or if they are people who are here to try and make us real gamers look bad by derailing us into fights among ourselves (hows that for a conspircy theory)
Like i stated before i'm past reviews, glad they enjoyed themselves, but i'm past all that now, i know the game is something i'm going to enjoy for a while. Being i've been unable to do that for some time in MMOs that i think is a great thing, and i hope people are happy to that a gamer found a great place to play and enjoying themselves.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Last monday tor had 800,000 us box pre orders. That doesnt count in digital pre orders which me and gf both did. It doesnt count european per orders at all.
so i was thinking 3-5 mil easy on launch day. Before playing beta i thought maybe this game would keep 1-3 mil of those after 6 months and id be one of them.
After playing beta and trying out half the classes playing all the classes will be worth it. So i think it maitains 80 pct of better past 6 months.
I could be wrong i am alot lol. That said this was a very fun game and ran very well and was very stunning visually to me on my gfs computer.It ran very well and for a beta test tahts like 3 builds behind what the devs are using it was very polished.
U dont have to like tor it wont bother me if u dont. Everyone likes diffrent things but just because a reviewer like a game doesnt mean he was bought and just because a reviewer hated a game doesnt mean the game is bad.
reviews are all subjective. They are a person opinion . I for one loved my time in tor and cant wait for release.
Guys, this game hasn't been released yet, so these links are PREVIEWS, not REVIEWS: Beta impressions from people who played the BETA, not the final product. Don't put too much stock in previews - they usually don't mean shit.
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
I haven't read this whole thread, but the title of it alone made me want to comment.
People REALLY need to realize that different people like and want different things. Linking a bunch of positive reviews doesn't make fanboys right and haters wrong any more than linking a negative review makes haters right and fanboys wrong.
There is no right or wrong.
I can tell you right now that SWTOR will probably be the best quest based themepark MMO ever and in the same breath tell you that I don't want to play it. There's no contradiction there. Download a freaking beta and decide for yourselves. If you like it, play it. If you don't like it, don't. It's that simple.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it."-Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
I haven't read this whole thread, but the title of it alone made me want to comment.
People REALLY need to realize that different people like and want different things. Linking a bunch of positive reviews doesn't make fanboys right and haters wrong any more than linking a negative review makes haters right and fanboys wrong.
There is no right or wrong.
I can tell you right now that SWTOR will probably be the best quest based themepark MMO ever and in the same breath tell you that I don't want to play it. There's no contradiction there. Download a freaking beta and decide for yourselves. If you like it, play it. If you don't like it, don't. It's that simple.
that right there, it really is that simple.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
I haven't read this whole thread, but the title of it alone made me want to comment.
People REALLY need to realize that different people like and want different things. Linking a bunch of positive reviews doesn't make fanboys right and haters wrong any more than linking a negative review makes haters right and fanboys wrong.
There is no right or wrong.
I can tell you right now that SWTOR will probably be the best quest based themepark MMO ever and in the same breath tell you that I don't want to play it. There's no contradiction there. Download a freaking beta and decide for yourselves. If you like it, play it. If you don't like it, don't. It's that simple.
You mean... I don't have to like/hate something just because someone else on the internet does?
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
I read Teala's blog on SWTOR earlier today. I give it quite a bit more weight than other sources since I find her tastes to be much closer to my own than most. Unfortunately, it all but confirmed most of the stuff I suspected I would find with the game. I'll probably still give the trial a shot, but I'm not very optimistic about this one.
I read Teala's blog on SWTOR earlier today. I give it quite a bit more weight than other sources since I find her tastes to be much closer to my own than most. Unfortunately, it all but confirmed most of the stuff I suspected I would find with the game. I'll probably still give the trial a shot, but I'm not very optimistic about this one.
i read this too early today when i woke up and i expected this out come, i saw few bad impressions on forum when i woke up also saying almost same thing that shes said in her blog
issue at hand is lot people are tired and sick of same game with new skin and thats just way it is. Not a lot company big ones are trying new things they just playing safe and wanting a quick buck in MMO market
theres always money be made in a MMO pay to play it and thats all it comes down to the devs think they know what people want but this is not true we want a revolution game changing MMO that changes standards of MMO thats why people lot of vets hateing on it not the fact its a bad game its good for what it is a themepark MMO.
But its nothing new its all be done before and its old very old for lot of people and its one most slowest progession in gaming changing iv seen. FPS has came long way since CS 1.6 ect but MMORPGS have not they stuck in past and refuse to change things that matter and that is themeparking and bunch of other crap
part from Call of Duty thats Acitvation and anyone that knows anything knows that company is blizzard now COd MW3 was just same crap we done since Cod4 i expected this due to fact look at WoW and Expasion and how people see the cow cashing its same marketing crap.
but Battlefirled 3 on oherhand has made a change in FPS and best graphic on FPS market out now with its amazing frostbite 2 engine .
companys are just cloneing eachother off make some cash from the pre orders that idoits buy the rip off price for it *collectors Edition* sheeps will always follow the sheeps the hype that it brings
now i never seen so much hate on a game befor part from WoW now that must be saying something...
look at other MMO's that are in development Guild wars 2 for example theres is hate but smallest amount iv seen most hate is just people that dont do reserch before they talk and just blur out crap *fanboisim*
Fuck I wasn't aware that the only MMO where you would want to reroll would have a replaybility problem.
Give me 3 reasons to reroll in WoW or anyother game.
The "too easy" issue sounds like a given to me. But almost every single MMO out there are too easy before you max out in my book so the question is what you plan to play that isn't. I guess it is just me being old, but I miss the challenge from the early levels that most old styled MMOs have.
I think by tiring voice acting he means after you played a month or so, I can certainly imagine that it will become annoying sooner or later.
The replayability is probably just because Bioware have stated that all classes are very unique and so on. We all know that many of us will only have 1 or 2 characters while some others will fill their slots fast. MMO players have a rather different threshold with doing the same quests while maxing out a char.
I usually max out 2 or 3 myself, I havn't seen the MMO where I would bother with more (not counting GW where you can max out a character in hours) Even though I usually have filled my slot with characters around level 20 to get the basic feel of all the classes before I choose my main.
I think there are some concerns about the long term playability of the game, that is always the thing I worry about when a new MMO releases and what really is hardest, but that really is not the mostly odd reasons he stated.
Being a bit careful of a game that is about to release is just smart, we have seen a lot of games were people loved the initial open beta weekend but the game then got boring fast. I hope that ain't the case with TOR but I am a bit careful with announcing the second comming after so many MMOs that seemed promising at first.
Anyways: Good luck Bioware, I hope this game will be a fun game that can get a few millions subs long term, we really need a MMO that can prove to investors that MMOs still can make money. And I do need something new to play.
I haven't read this whole thread, but the title of it alone made me want to comment.
People REALLY need to realize that different people like and want different things. Linking a bunch of positive reviews doesn't make fanboys right and haters wrong any more than linking a negative review makes haters right and fanboys wrong.
There is no right or wrong.
I can tell you right now that SWTOR will probably be the best quest based themepark MMO ever and in the same breath tell you that I don't want to play it. There's no contradiction there. Download a freaking beta and decide for yourselves. If you like it, play it. If you don't like it, don't. It's that simple.
Dude, there is no right or wrong but there is objective, otherwise it's all up in the air and everything can be labeled in every way.
It doesn't work like that. Subjective judgement is important, but can't totally overpowere the objective part. There are some things which stick as facts, it's simple as that, outside people's opinion. Usually, the average of reviews tends to be quite accurate in terms of objective representation.
But its nothing new its all be done before and its old very old for lot of people and its one most slowest progession in gaming changing iv seen. FPS has came long way since CS 1.6 ect but MMORPGS have not they stuck in past and refuse to change things that matter and that is themeparking and bunch of other crap
Sorry, but this is complete nonsense. When I look at shooters like the early CoD 10 years or so ago and Quake series and Unreal and then compare them to the current top shooters - and then I'm not just looking at 1 or 2 of them, but all the shooters that make up the top games in their genre - I don't see a lot of innovation at all. There's even less changed or new implemented features in shooter gameplay than you see in the MMORPG genre.
The simple fact is that a lot of people have burnt themselves out on MMORPG's faster and now try to rationalise their jadedness and lost ability to enjoy most of the MMO gameplay, while it's simply a case of having played them for thousands upon thousands of hours.
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google who is , to see who they are, one is even a company from Bangladesh. Think at this point,, we can see the war machine machine turning,. Like I said before as my opinion, you thought WoW marketing was fierce, you have not seen anything yet with EA.
Yeah, right, just like all those normal players' reviews have been 'bought' which strangely reflect the same positive reviews vs negative reviews proportion, with the majority having enjoyed themselves very much.
It's oh so simple, repeat after me, you might learn something, an insight that helps you even with other aspects in life: if one person dislikes a game or some other thing, it doesn't mean that ALL people dislike that game or other thing, in fact it could very well be that a majority of people can like a game or thing that one person doesn't. In fact, that's how it work with everything in life, people liking things that others dislike and vice versa.
Example: a lot of people on these forums hated and despised WoW throughout the years, while its 10+ million players over the years showed that a considerable majority of players actually liked and enjoyed themselves in that game.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
That the game is very good to great, which is the closest thing to objective yet for those who dig themepark MMORPGs.
The only website that was not a professional advertising firm was the geek revolt.
google who is , to see who they are, one is even a company from Bangladesh. Think at this point,, we can see the war machine machine turning,. Like I said before as my opinion, you thought WoW marketing was fierce, you have not seen anything yet with EA.
EA fierce? Maby. Funny? for sure!!! If that aint a dig at CoD i dont know what is.But its sure funny as hell.
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I haven't read this whole thread, but the title of it alone made me want to comment.
People REALLY need to realize that different people like and want different things. Linking a bunch of positive reviews doesn't make fanboys right and haters wrong any more than linking a negative review makes haters right and fanboys wrong.
There is no right or wrong.
I can tell you right now that SWTOR will probably be the best quest based themepark MMO ever and in the same breath tell you that I don't want to play it. There's no contradiction there. Download a freaking beta and decide for yourselves. If you like it, play it. If you don't like it, don't. It's that simple.
Dude, there is no right or wrong but there is objective, otherwise it's all up in the air and everything can be labeled in every way.
It doesn't work like that. Subjective judgement is important, but can't totally overpowere the objective part. There are some things which stick as facts, it's simple as that, outside people's opinion. Usually, the average of reviews tends to be quite accurate in terms of objective representation.
There certainly are facts, and we should all be doing what we can to counter misinformation about any game. But my point is that even given the facts, our interpretations can differ wildly.
You say theres an objective representation. Objective representation of what? We could all accurately describe the mechanics of the game, but how fun it is would be purely subjective.
Even if we came up with some average rating, like, I dunno, an 8/10 (to go by the hype meter), it still would be meaningless to the individual user and borderline misleading as well. You probably loved the game and would have given it a 10/10. I didn't care for it that much and would give it like a 6/10. Others might think it's good but not great.
Until a person plays the game for themselves they have no idea. Sure, a person might use that information to try to figure out if they'll probably like it if they buy it, but why should anyone do that when they're handing out free beta keys?
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it."-Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
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1- variety of classes and races
2- variety of leveling areas (so you dont go through the same places to level other toons)
3- so many quests you dont have to do neither all of them nor the exact same ones with every toon..
there you have ur 3 reasons to reroll in WoW. My sub ended weeks ago and ill be playing swtor till Mist of Pandaria launches. Also, those three reasons i gave you are the reasons i stopped playing Rift (not fun to reroll in Rift)... I have some toons in WoW (both ally and horde) and i have leveled them doing different things in different areas. So yeah, maybe other mmos dont let you do that, but WoW isnt one of them.
see u in swtor
As long as you are enjoying the story you will enjoy the game. After that you will relise the game play and skill trees are shallow and boring.
This game will be fun for the first few months but wil have issues holding subscriptions after that.
Really? So just how do you decide which reviews are legit and which ones were paid for? Considering those games that were garbage got the same great reviews as those that went on to succeed. People like me would like to know how you see what others cannot.
Really? This game sucks and Im not having fun? Im going to unsub right now. Thanks for the tip.
I just know i enjoyed the time i had in tor beta immensly. Im not being bought or anything i really dont care who likes tor or doesnt. I for one had a blast.
There is so much replayability in this game . The class stories alone are worth it.
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the stoiies in this game are amazing and a great reason to play as is the choices and the things those choices lead u to.
U dont like thisg ame or the positive reviews fine i dont like the negative reviews when they are basicly wrong. Or even say things that make no sense.
Im gonna play all 8 classes. wow has alot of replayability by the way its hwy its still king after 7 yrs.
tor has alot of good about it. In the end the one thing that matters to me is did i have fun.
I had a balst i looked up after 5 hrs and didnt realized id played that long i lost myself in this game. i know not everyone did like tor. I realize not everyone will like tor so what.
Tor is a great game to me and i cant wait for release.
So...lots of positive with a few negative beta test reviewers, lots of positive with one negative review from big sites (yeah that gamespy one keeps getting linked, i'm now 70% certian thats the only negative one out there, really it's the only, and i do mean only one that keeps getting linked. shows good signs for sw:tor)
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Hasn't every tripple A title released this year been hailed as the game of the year, etc etc. Honestly it's gotten to the point where reviews will never impact my decision of whether or not I'm going to buy a game. I've grown accustomed to the fact that when it comes to game reviews, palms will be greased. With that said I now turn to gameplay footage for my answers. Frankly I have yet to see any good gameplay footage from this game.
or you could simply ignore all the reviews from everywhere (as you have a distrust for them) and pick up a beta key, you still have a few hours of window left (if you haven't already) to pick up one from this site (still about 3k left) and jog over to swtor.com and register one, then play it for yourself. that really is the best way to find out what the game is like and how well you do or do not connect with it.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
I tell u what ive seen alot of game footage that looks pretty good considering they are mostly on third party cameras. I will say this nothing id seen online prepared me for how amazing the visuals in this game were.l
Im sorry this game was just amazing once u got it on yoru own screen. The videos out there dont come close to given it justice.
Id say they give u a 20 pct view of what this game really looks like when u actually play it yourself. Dont like the videos do yourself a favor and try it the worst thing that happens is u dont like it.
Thats fine it just means its not the game for u but if u let you tube videos keep u from playing this game u are doing youself a disservice.
Im not saying ull like it i dont know what kinds of games u like. That said the gameplay and story kept me glued to the screen till my angry gf made me stop p laying.
she loved it also her problem as it was her beta and i was taken up her time.
That's why I said that all reviews should be looked at in perspective, but if someone doesn't know how to do that then indeed should they distrust all reviews by default. But come on, let's be realistic, all good reviews about Skyrim, or BF3 or MW3 or Deau Ex were also all bought and a lie, all those games being complete frauds? Is that really what (some) people are thinking about positive reviews of gaming sites and mags, is that really a claim they can make?
Gameplay footage isn't saying anything about how a game actually plays, some games looked awesome in footage but were lacking severely in gaming enjoyment when actually played (eg AoC, not for me but for many this was the case) while sometimes a game can look meh in gameplay footage while when actually playing it's pretty great. I wasn't impressed at all when seeing gameplay footage of WoW back then, but there's no denying that its gameplay and controls are smooth, responsive and have a good flow to it.
Then again, to each their own way of decisionmaking, after all what works for one person doesn't have to work for another person.
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The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Every individual will have a different idea about what they want from a game . What you have to look at is what the trend of the majority of these reviews are . Overwealming is possative . Same applys to these forums most people like what they saw in the beta . I personally think it potentially break records .
Untill I played the beta I thought if could garner upto a maximum of 2 million players now I think it will be signifantly more than that .
I too pre-ordered after the last beta weekend which is breaking my golden rule to wait 2 months after release before joining a new game . This is pretty much everything I hoped for and more . Its something I can see myself playing for years to come . At least untill they release and expansion of martial arts Ewoks for the Asian market that is . :P ( nah no company would ever be that stupid would they ? )
MMO.maverick, i'm not really surprised, we've seen this before. anytime something positive comes out, it's deemed paid off, as obviously the game must be crap, anytime something negative comes out, it's the pinacle of truth and leveled head. what is amusing is i can easilly see what would have happened if this had been in reverse.
The roles would be exactly opposite, they would be saying something like see you fanbois you made it out to be something great but the reviewers from all the big and even small and even the testers themselves say it's crap. You all need to open your eyes, these review sites know what they are talking about. They saw through your veil.
While the fans would be saying that most of them are paid off by competing companies and not true or miss the point.
I'm curious how many of them that say they dont' trust review sites are because they actually don't trust review sites (positive or negative) or how many distrust the review site because it is positive. Either way assuming the site is paid off is a bit of a leap without said proof and is bordling on slanderous against that site. Your basically saying they took a kickback to make the game look good. Good thing theres anomity on the internet or they might be in real trouble if this ever came to light.
It's basic mud slinging, i hated it in politics and now seeing it in games i'm reminded why i avoid news. Too depressing for my taste, all this blood thristy attitude and wanting things to fail. Makes me wonder how many of these people are actual gamers or if they are people who are here to try and make us real gamers look bad by derailing us into fights among ourselves (hows that for a conspircy theory)
Like i stated before i'm past reviews, glad they enjoyed themselves, but i'm past all that now, i know the game is something i'm going to enjoy for a while. Being i've been unable to do that for some time in MMOs that i think is a great thing, and i hope people are happy to that a gamer found a great place to play and enjoying themselves.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Last monday tor had 800,000 us box pre orders. That doesnt count in digital pre orders which me and gf both did. It doesnt count european per orders at all.
so i was thinking 3-5 mil easy on launch day. Before playing beta i thought maybe this game would keep 1-3 mil of those after 6 months and id be one of them.
After playing beta and trying out half the classes playing all the classes will be worth it. So i think it maitains 80 pct of better past 6 months.
I could be wrong i am alot lol. That said this was a very fun game and ran very well and was very stunning visually to me on my gfs computer.It ran very well and for a beta test tahts like 3 builds behind what the devs are using it was very polished.
U dont have to like tor it wont bother me if u dont. Everyone likes diffrent things but just because a reviewer like a game doesnt mean he was bought and just because a reviewer hated a game doesnt mean the game is bad.
reviews are all subjective. They are a person opinion . I for one loved my time in tor and cant wait for release.
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Guys, this game hasn't been released yet, so these links are PREVIEWS, not REVIEWS: Beta impressions from people who played the BETA, not the final product. Don't put too much stock in previews - they usually don't mean shit.
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
I haven't read this whole thread, but the title of it alone made me want to comment.
People REALLY need to realize that different people like and want different things. Linking a bunch of positive reviews doesn't make fanboys right and haters wrong any more than linking a negative review makes haters right and fanboys wrong.
There is no right or wrong.
I can tell you right now that SWTOR will probably be the best quest based themepark MMO ever and in the same breath tell you that I don't want to play it. There's no contradiction there. Download a freaking beta and decide for yourselves. If you like it, play it. If you don't like it, don't. It's that simple.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." -Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
that right there, it really is that simple.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
You mean... I don't have to like/hate something just because someone else on the internet does?
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
I read Teala's blog on SWTOR earlier today. I give it quite a bit more weight than other sources since I find her tastes to be much closer to my own than most. Unfortunately, it all but confirmed most of the stuff I suspected I would find with the game. I'll probably still give the trial a shot, but I'm not very optimistic about this one.
i read this too early today when i woke up and i expected this out come, i saw few bad impressions on forum when i woke up also saying almost same thing that shes said in her blog
issue at hand is lot people are tired and sick of same game with new skin and thats just way it is. Not a lot company big ones are trying new things they just playing safe and wanting a quick buck in MMO market
theres always money be made in a MMO pay to play it and thats all it comes down to the devs think they know what people want but this is not true we want a revolution game changing MMO that changes standards of MMO thats why people lot of vets hateing on it not the fact its a bad game its good for what it is a themepark MMO.
But its nothing new its all be done before and its old very old for lot of people and its one most slowest progession in gaming changing iv seen. FPS has came long way since CS 1.6 ect but MMORPGS have not they stuck in past and refuse to change things that matter and that is themeparking and bunch of other crap
part from Call of Duty thats Acitvation and anyone that knows anything knows that company is blizzard now COd MW3 was just same crap we done since Cod4 i expected this due to fact look at WoW and Expasion and how people see the cow cashing its same marketing crap.
but Battlefirled 3 on oherhand has made a change in FPS and best graphic on FPS market out now with its amazing frostbite 2 engine .
companys are just cloneing eachother off make some cash from the pre orders that idoits buy the rip off price for it *collectors Edition* sheeps will always follow the sheeps the hype that it brings
now i never seen so much hate on a game befor part from WoW now that must be saying something...
look at other MMO's that are in development Guild wars 2 for example theres is hate but smallest amount iv seen most hate is just people that dont do reserch before they talk and just blur out crap *fanboisim*
The "too easy" issue sounds like a given to me. But almost every single MMO out there are too easy before you max out in my book so the question is what you plan to play that isn't. I guess it is just me being old, but I miss the challenge from the early levels that most old styled MMOs have.
I think by tiring voice acting he means after you played a month or so, I can certainly imagine that it will become annoying sooner or later.
The replayability is probably just because Bioware have stated that all classes are very unique and so on. We all know that many of us will only have 1 or 2 characters while some others will fill their slots fast. MMO players have a rather different threshold with doing the same quests while maxing out a char.
I usually max out 2 or 3 myself, I havn't seen the MMO where I would bother with more (not counting GW where you can max out a character in hours) Even though I usually have filled my slot with characters around level 20 to get the basic feel of all the classes before I choose my main.
I think there are some concerns about the long term playability of the game, that is always the thing I worry about when a new MMO releases and what really is hardest, but that really is not the mostly odd reasons he stated.
Being a bit careful of a game that is about to release is just smart, we have seen a lot of games were people loved the initial open beta weekend but the game then got boring fast. I hope that ain't the case with TOR but I am a bit careful with announcing the second comming after so many MMOs that seemed promising at first.
Anyways: Good luck Bioware, I hope this game will be a fun game that can get a few millions subs long term, we really need a MMO that can prove to investors that MMOs still can make money. And I do need something new to play.
Dude, there is no right or wrong but there is objective, otherwise it's all up in the air and everything can be labeled in every way.
It doesn't work like that. Subjective judgement is important, but can't totally overpowere the objective part. There are some things which stick as facts, it's simple as that, outside people's opinion. Usually, the average of reviews tends to be quite accurate in terms of objective representation.
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Sorry, but this is complete nonsense. When I look at shooters like the early CoD 10 years or so ago and Quake series and Unreal and then compare them to the current top shooters - and then I'm not just looking at 1 or 2 of them, but all the shooters that make up the top games in their genre - I don't see a lot of innovation at all. There's even less changed or new implemented features in shooter gameplay than you see in the MMORPG genre.
The simple fact is that a lot of people have burnt themselves out on MMORPG's faster and now try to rationalise their jadedness and lost ability to enjoy most of the MMO gameplay, while it's simply a case of having played them for thousands upon thousands of hours.
Yeah, right, just like all those normal players' reviews have been 'bought' which strangely reflect the same positive reviews vs negative reviews proportion, with the majority having enjoyed themselves very much.
It's oh so simple, repeat after me, you might learn something, an insight that helps you even with other aspects in life: if one person dislikes a game or some other thing, it doesn't mean that ALL people dislike that game or other thing, in fact it could very well be that a majority of people can like a game or thing that one person doesn't. In fact, that's how it work with everything in life, people liking things that others dislike and vice versa.
Example: a lot of people on these forums hated and despised WoW throughout the years, while its 10+ million players over the years showed that a considerable majority of players actually liked and enjoyed themselves in that game.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
EA fierce? Maby. Funny? for sure!!! If that aint a dig at CoD i dont know what is.But its sure funny as hell.
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There certainly are facts, and we should all be doing what we can to counter misinformation about any game. But my point is that even given the facts, our interpretations can differ wildly.
You say theres an objective representation. Objective representation of what? We could all accurately describe the mechanics of the game, but how fun it is would be purely subjective.
Even if we came up with some average rating, like, I dunno, an 8/10 (to go by the hype meter), it still would be meaningless to the individual user and borderline misleading as well. You probably loved the game and would have given it a 10/10. I didn't care for it that much and would give it like a 6/10. Others might think it's good but not great.
Until a person plays the game for themselves they have no idea. Sure, a person might use that information to try to figure out if they'll probably like it if they buy it, but why should anyone do that when they're handing out free beta keys?
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." -Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007