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An actual Beta Review
Creatorzim
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Saw this and thought i should post it. Its pretty long so you actually have to read it, sorry haters it does take a 5th grade reading skill so i dont think you will enjoy it, but it does have pictures for you as well if you want to see pretty colors. Its a beta review by an intellectual individual and looks like a great write up.
http://www.ripten.com/2011/12/06/how-and-why-i-spent-36-hours-playing-star-wars-the-old-republic/
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If thats one of the best reviews for this game, thats pretty sad.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
Who said anything about best? and you didnt read it all so it wouldnt matter what your opinion is.
Purty pictures though!
I'd digg that as a huge wallpainting in my home tbh.
My brand new bloggity blog.
The reviewer's point about PVP is what turned me off, I have played too many MMOs and invested too much time into getting" that bag of tricks" that I needed in order for me to pvp properly, quite frankly im done with that, I would like to pvp from level 1 and not have to worry about oh this person has +10 boots of force even though hes my level those boots stats will mess me up in 1 v 1 if hes skilled and 2 v 1 if its a BG.
So thats that.
The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.
Carl Sagan-
This...
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
no i read it all,
my favorite part was:
"The game is alive........ With sound and music.
I’ll admit that background music isn’t something I can be accused of paying much attention to. In games where I’m not required to listen to dialogue I usually have the music off and a digital radio station on"
All i could do is laugh. Other mmo's provide the same if not better musical quality with better sound effects. Your only forced to listen to it because you need to have your volume up so you could listen to the VO's. The game is far from alive. No weather paterns, no day/night, theres nothing that makes the game feel alive.
I played the game and not just the weekend warrior that this author was. A mere 36 hours is nothing. Hes right about graphics imo. They are fine, the CC is absolutly atrocious for a 2011 MMO, the combat is more uninspiring than anything else, feels exactly like other games. I could go on and on and pick this apart, most of his topics start out by saying such and such "insert topic" is highly debated. There is a reason for that kiddo, its because they are weak.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
#1: There have been a lot more glowing reviews than that one. But this one was very fair and balanced, and wasn't written by an obvious fanboy. In fact, the guy admitted he wasn't a big fan of the Star Wars universe.
#2: You obviously didn't read the review anyway, because it was still a pretty glowing review. He said that Bioware did a "sterling job" with TOR.
Not sure he said it's the Best just one the OP liked and wanted to share; Shame on him for showing an interest.
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I did read it all the way though and all I can say is it confirms what those of us who have played the game for more than a weekend could have told you and that is that it's a mediocre game. It's not terrible but it's not great either after the initial buzz has worn off.
He says in the final section "Every now and then you’ll find a quest or a series of quests that result in you caring about the outcome. I had two such occurrences on my smuggler by level 18"
I think that sums it up quite nicely.
Someones always going to outgear you. If you cant accept that then MMOs are not your thing. Its about being smarter and faster than your opponent. You should see some of the people that come up in the rankings from WoW. Its pretty amazing seeing people who have close to shit gear compared to people with the best gear around. You just have to know what your doing and be smart about it. I dont know any MMO that doesnt have gear in it that PVPs.
Someone WILL ALWAYS OUT GEAR ME !, as I am a grown man with a job and a family that I have to provide for and be with, I do not have the time to outgear someone nor do I want to, a MMO can simply take ideas from other games for PVP aspects and make it so those who love pvp can enjoy it and not have it be a gear battle.
Oh btw GW1 and GW2 never had gear related isssues in pvp. just sayin
The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.
Carl Sagan-
To bad there is an MMO that is going to change that.
No but honestly the combat in SWTOR least the times that I got to try it out, I'E the latest beta wasn't all that, but yea after beta coming from an SWTOR Fan, isn't all that great just good or ok, yet better than many current gen mmorpg's.
I'm fine with admitting it isn't great because hopefullt if they make a SWTOR 2 it'll be much better a considerably a great game, and this will just give Bioware/EA experiences so when the next MMORPG they do they'll improve on it.
Also this is just my opinion though the top is a fact
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
most of you should just not bother playing mmos. There is always going to be a trinity as its the best way to have a group dynamic. Otherwise everyone is just playing dps classes and frankly that is boring and unimaginative, yet some of you are clamoring for it. There is the standard mmo combat system, it leaves a lot to be desired, but making combat work like an fps game isn't ground breaking either, there are mmofps in development if that's what you want.
I am not a huge fan of star wars as far as lore goes, don't hate it either, but I am far from a fanboi. I played beta the past three weekends, and it was entertaining enough that I'll buy it. Sometimes change isn't good. i personally don't want to play an mmo fps, I could just play call of duty and have a better experience. I don't want to play a game where everyone is dps with the ability to heal themselves, that'd be boring. That's the sort of thing that many of you would consider new and innovative and it sounds off the charts fail to me.
still since playing TOR i have had a hard time playing anything else beside BF3
Well for me and most PVPers, we enjoy being able to come to a fight being undergeared and being able to demolish them anyways. Its a challenge and thats what PVP is suppose to be. PVP shouldnt be hey i hit you first so i win. It should be a an intense use of your mind and how to outwit your opponent. If gear doesnt matter then there can never be a great accomplishment from fighting someone, your always going to be the same as that person. My love is PVE, i love going into BGs knowing that if someone breaths on me i die so i better make my hits count.
I said exactly everything you said almost word for word until I started looking up and beta testing something which I really thought it was stupid until deciding to use the ability of testing and it actually came out I was wrong in this type of mentality since I never thought a current Dev would try to change something and have the changes work, which is something.
Now do to the fact I did make it seem like a fact that he was wrong which based on this forum it'd be an opinion, because people have different thoughts and perspectives, but I do hope you guys beta test some of the things you think will fail, it usually helps, as it made me change my whole scope on what's stated above, because honestly if I didn't get to try out what he said in his opinion fails to him, I'd be agreeing right now.
Star Wars is still a good current gen mmo after playing it, I'm sure as hell beleive it'll be a huge challenge to many of the current gen mmo's that are doing great. So the review was nice like I agree about the graphics part as well, not so much on combat and pvp.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
The author did a look at the positives and negatives of the game. In the end, the positives were much better for him. I was the same way. My much longer beta showed me that I really liked the game but I would like additional work done on certain areas.
I understand that, however there is no such thing in nowadays MMOs where even when you are somewhat undergeared you have a chance, unless ofcourse the player is PVP challenged and has no clue. Its just about fun, my way of fun is skill based pvp, and I understand that your way of pvp might be another, and I respect that, but this game like many others, just do not have the time to gather those requirements just to pvp properly.
The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.
Carl Sagan-
Reviewer is blatantly biased and anything but convincing.
The reason I dislike what you said is because you are attempting to speak for everyone.
Fair points make though, as for everyone being the same that would be true if in this MMORPG had one class and every one in that game had weapons which are the exact same and each class or race has the same weaknesses and strengths. It's only if it's balanced, because if so then it just outrules all of that, because if it's not a balanced pvp were your able to be outarmored/geared then yea that's an issue.
But any way by late 2012 we'll find out which pvp style is more preffered.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Well thats easy. Look at GW and look at WoW...GW is free and isnt even in the same ballpark as WoW...So people would rather pay to play and PVP exactly how it is instead of being force fed this "great" idea of balanced PVP with no gear....
It was pretty clear to me that either:
1. The only MMO this person has played was WOW
or
2. The reviewer is drinking the KOOL-AID.
talking about how graphics can't be advanced in an MMO - See Age of Conan, RIFT, Vanguard ( world ) etc..
and character customization ?
see SWG, Aion, eq2, vanguard .... etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc ....
This guy seems right in the SWTOR target audience, so if you feel aligned with him SWTOR may be your home for a long time.
What happened to all those games? They are all on the verge of being broke. They have the combined audince of maybe 1mil players, SWTOR already beats them all...i wonder which one is doing it right???? HMMMM let me think.
you sir are a fanboy now I know. you cannot take anyone's opinion because it differs from yours.
The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.
Carl Sagan-