I never played SWG, but I have been watching videos on youtube lately of it just to get an idea of what the game was like to compare to TOR.... BUT, my quesiton is: why do these screenshots look so much better than the footage in the videos on youtube? Particularly the on land stuff. Did they update the graphics over the years or something?
Those are both videos of Tatooine, and I think a lot of devs over the years have struggled with making desert environments look good. That's the main difference I see. Other planets had foliage and that makes a big difference. Foliage is often one of the first things people disable to improve performance too, though.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
I never played SWG, but I have been watching videos on youtube lately of it just to get an idea of what the game was like to compare to TOR.... BUT, my quesiton is: why do these screenshots look so much better than the footage in the videos on youtube. Particularly the on land stuff. Did they update the graphics over the years or something?
This is how the game was on my comp. I played with everything maxed and forced AA. Had a good system back then. I remember people complaining on launch day saying the game was too laggy, and that the graphics were to taxing on their systems. Maybe the reason most peoples videos look bad is because they are running fraps and they cannot run the game on maxed settings. Plus I quit playing SWG the month NGE came out, so all my screenies I am posting are pre-NGE. I have no clue what SOE did to the graphics post-NGE. I can tell you this though...for someone to come on this forum and show a crappy low-res, low setting screenie and say this is how SWG's graphics look compared to SW:TOR is total BS. SWG for it's time had some great graphics.
Here are a few more I took while playing. These are all from my days with IGN.com, but these are all from in game with the UI turned off.
^^ My blockade runner. ^^
^^ Learning to fly in the holo trainer. ^^
^^ B-Wing combat...we were out smoking Tie-fighters having a blast - literally. ^^
^^ Back before the NGE my character was an, Artisan, Master Dancer, ran a club, and had a crafting business. We had our own city even. ^^
^^ A nefarious crime lords palace located on Tattooine - filled with the normal riff-raff. ^^
spoken like someone who has no idea about graphic design or why they make the design choices they made.
They chose to stylize their graphics so they would age well and look good years down the road.
Nothing about this looks "kiddie" at all. Lets try to be factually accurate and use language that speaks to our maturity and our profound ability to discuss a topic. [Mod Edit]
That makes no sense. Make the graphics look bad today in order for it to look good 5 years from now 0_o
It's because they screwed up and licensed the wrong engine.
There is a reason why Hero's Journey MMO never came out and why it's only a reference game for licensees of the Hero Engine.
I actually managed a while back (for kickers) to get a demo license on the Hero Engine and fired up Hero's Journey. It was a huge lagging mess, took ages to even load. It was absolutely terrible and useless.
So I think it is far more likely that Bioware ended up being forced to heavy stylize their graphics with crappy low rez textures to make the game even run properly on most systems and still being able to render enough players within a single zone. :-/
This is how the game was on my comp. I played with everything maxed and forced AA. Had a good system back then. I remember people complaining on launch day saying the game was too laggy, and that the graphics were to taxing on their systems. Maybe the reason most peoples videos look bad is because they are running fraps and they cannot run the game on maxed settings. Plus I quit playing SWG the month NGE came out, so all my screenies I am posting are pre-NGE. I have no clue what SOE did to the graphics post-NGE. I can tell you this though...for someone to come on this forum and show a crappy low-res, low setting screenie and say this is how SWG's graphics look compared to SWG is total BS. SWG for it's time had some great graphics.
Here are a few more I took while playing. These are all from my days with IGN.com, but these are all from in game with the UI turned off.
Those shots look a lot better than the videos I saw for sure. They might not compete with today's games, but for the time they look pretty good actually.
Can anyone recommend a good video of SWG that shows the gameplay more like it really looked then? Having never played it, I can't really judge them, and with TOR being released soon, I felt I should know a little about this SWG that everyone talks about
This is how the game was on my comp. I played with everything maxed and forced AA. Had a good system back then. I remember people complaining on launch day saying the game was too laggy, and that the graphics were to taxing on their systems. Maybe the reason most peoples videos look bad is because they are running fraps and they cannot run the game on maxed settings. Plus I quit playing SWG the month NGE came out, so all my screenies I am posting are pre-NGE. I have no clue what SOE did to the graphics post-NGE. I can tell you this though...for someone to come on this forum and show a crappy low-res, low setting screenie and say this is how SWG's graphics look compared to SWG is total BS. SWG for it's time had some great graphics.
Here are a few more I took while playing. These are all from my days with IGN.com, but these are all from in game with the UI turned off.
Those shots look a lot better than the videos I saw for sure. They might not compete with today's games, but for the time they look pretty good actually.
Can anyone recommend a good video of SWG that shows the gameplay more like it really looked then? Having never played it, I can't really judge them, and with TOR being released soon, I felt I should know a little about this SWG that everyone talks about
Good luck with that. You have to remember, that fraps was fairly new back then and computers weren't the fastest things on the planet either. I remember running fraps in SWG, it required turning off foliage, shadows, and limiting graphics to maybe medium. Wish I still had my fraps of the one I made on my dancer. It was awesome. I had her dancing to a song by 38 Special in the video. OMG those were the days. Had so much fun.
everyone is just cherry picking screens to make their point . i love swg and if it relaunched today then i would be back playing it, but swg had some really bad edges back in the day. just like if you pick the right angles and distances in wow then it can look great but other time you see an completley square mountian or tree.
This is how the game was on my comp. I played with everything maxed and forced AA. Had a good system back then. I remember people complaining on launch day saying the game was too laggy, and that the graphics were to taxing on their systems. Maybe the reason most peoples videos look bad is because they are running fraps and they cannot run the game on maxed settings. Plus I quit playing SWG the month NGE came out, so all my screenies I am posting are pre-NGE. I have no clue what SOE did to the graphics post-NGE. I can tell you this though...for someone to come on this forum and show a crappy low-res, low setting screenie and say this is how SWG's graphics look compared to SWG is total BS. SWG for it's time had some great graphics.
Here are a few more I took while playing. These are all from my days with IGN.com, but these are all from in game with the UI turned off.
Those shots look a lot better than the videos I saw for sure. They might not compete with today's games, but for the time they look pretty good actually.
Can anyone recommend a good video of SWG that shows the gameplay more like it really looked then? Having never played it, I can't really judge them, and with TOR being released soon, I felt I should know a little about this SWG that everyone talks about
This the SWG E3 2002 demo. Not the the greatest resolution, but shows what the game engine was all about back then.
It's because they screwed up and licensed the wrong engine.
There is a reason why Hero's Journey MMO never came out and why it's only a reference game for licensees of the Hero Engine.
I actually managed a while back (for kickers) to get a demo license on the Hero Engine and fired up Hero's Journey. It was a huge lagging mess, took ages to even load. It was absolutely terrible and useless.
So I think it is far more likely that Bioware ended up being forced to heavy stylize their graphics with crappy low rez textures to make the game even run properly on most systems and still being able to render enough players within a single zone. :-/
Makes me wonder if that's also why they use such linear map design, even by Bioware standards. It's probably a lot easier to render small areas and narrow paths than wide open zones. Could this even be why the game feels lifeless? Maybe they've needed to be really minimalist in their environment design, because the engine handles the extra clutter, effects, and animations rather poorly?
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
This is how the game was on my comp. I played with everything maxed and forced AA. Had a good system back then. I remember people complaining on launch day saying the game was too laggy, and that the graphics were to taxing on their systems. Maybe the reason most peoples videos look bad is because they are running fraps and they cannot run the game on maxed settings. Plus I quit playing SWG the month NGE came out, so all my screenies I am posting are pre-NGE. I have no clue what SOE did to the graphics post-NGE. I can tell you this though...for someone to come on this forum and show a crappy low-res, low setting screenie and say this is how SWG's graphics look compared to SWG is total BS. SWG for it's time had some great graphics.
Here are a few more I took while playing. These are all from my days with IGN.com, but these are all from in game with the UI turned off.
Those shots look a lot better than the videos I saw for sure. They might not compete with today's games, but for the time they look pretty good actually.
Can anyone recommend a good video of SWG that shows the gameplay more like it really looked then? Having never played it, I can't really judge them, and with TOR being released soon, I felt I should know a little about this SWG that everyone talks about
Good luck with that. You have to remember, that fraps was fairly new back then and computers weren't the fastest things on the planet either. I remember running fraps in SWG, it required turning off foliage, shadows, and limiting graphics to maybe medium. Wish I still had my fraps of the one I made on my dancer. It was awesome. I had her dancing to a song by 38 Special in the video. OMG those were the days. Had so much fun.
The first video I linked to in my first post was taken in 2010 (he mentions in the video that the game is over 7 years old at the time), so i don't think the guy has much problem running fraps and SWG now. There must be other videos out there from the past few years than just this one to show the graphics better?
You're right about the resolution lol... but seriously, when I first saw the other videos of SWG, I thought it looked more like EQ1... but from what I can tell in those videos it is closer to like WoW graphics, which is much prettier than I thought. I kinda wish I had had the chance to play it.
well if we are talking about swg that is still running till the 20th or pre nge swg becouse sony made small tweeks and updates to the graphics with expacs and patches over the years. not huge but little things here and there, also this conversation is pointless. some people think swtor graphics suck and some think there amazing. some think wows are great and some think its crap. its hard to compare graphics with completley diff artistic style.
You're right about the resolution lol... but seriously, when I first saw the other videos of SWG, I thought it looked more like EQ1... but from what I can tell in those videos it is closer to like WoW graphics, which is much prettier than I thought. I kinda wish I had had the chance to play it.
Here's another one of actual gameplay, that was taken in the cu era of the game.
well if we are talking about swg that is still running till the 20th or pre nge swg becouse sony made small tweeks and updates to the graphics with expacs and patches over the years. not huge but little things here and there, also this conversation is pointless. some people think swtor graphics suck and some think there amazing. some think wows are great and some think its crap. its hard to compare graphics with completley diff artistic style.
Graphics are subjective, what got me into this thread was somone coming into it posting a pic of a low res, minimum graphics, of SWG and saying, "See this is SWG compared to SW:ToR" - which is complete and utter BS. SWG had awesome graphics for its day. It may not be cutting edge, but for 2002 those were really good...and still as good as some we get today.
Thats the swg i remember^^^ i loved swg and its hard to say bad things about it but the graphics where always way down the list of things that made me play.
Originally posted by Ocirusskd well if we are talking about swg that is still running till the 20th or pre nge swg becouse sony made small tweeks and updates to the graphics with expacs and patches over the years. not huge but little things here and there, also this conversation is pointless. some people think swtor graphics suck and some think there amazing. some think wows are great and some think its crap. its hard to compare graphics with completley diff artistic style.
Graphics are subjective, what got me into this thread was somone coming into it posting a pic of a low res, minimum graphics, of SWG and saying, "See this is SWG compared to SW:ToR" - which is complete and utter BS. SWG had awesome graphics for its day. It may not be cutting edge, but for 2002 those were really good...and still as good as some we get today.
Seems some one took it too much to heart.
People were comparing TOR with it being not at its best and I presented a picture of SWG not at its best.
It's quite amusing the lengths you went to in order to try and put SWG on a pedestal if I do say so myself. But please. Don't let me stop you. By all means. Continue with your rant with why SWG is so great. Not like it matters with the game being dead and all.
well if we are talking about swg that is still running till the 20th or pre nge swg becouse sony made small tweeks and updates to the graphics with expacs and patches over the years. not huge but little things here and there, also this conversation is pointless. some people think swtor graphics suck and some think there amazing. some think wows are great and some think its crap. its hard to compare graphics with completley diff artistic style.
Graphics are subjective, what got me into this thread was somone coming into it posting a pic of a low res, minimum graphics, of SWG and saying, "See this is SWG compared to SW:ToR" - which is complete and utter BS. SWG had awesome graphics for its day. It may not be cutting edge, but for 2002 those were really good...and still as good as some we get today.
Seems some one took it too much to heart.
People were comparing TOR with it being not at its best and I presented a picture of SWG not at its best.
It's quite amusing the lengths you went to in order to try and put SWG on a pedestal if I do say so myself. But please. Don't me stop you. Continue with your rant with why SWG is so great.
Oh...wait...please show me where you posted saying this is SWG at its bare minimum and then explaining as much. You didn't do that...you posted a pix and said this is SWG graphics - epic or something like that.
Originally posted by Teala Originally posted by AzurePrower
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Ocirusskd well if we are talking about swg that is still running till the 20th or pre nge swg becouse sony made small tweeks and updates to the graphics with expacs and patches over the years. not huge but little things here and there, also this conversation is pointless. some people think swtor graphics suck and some think there amazing. some think wows are great and some think its crap. its hard to compare graphics with completley diff artistic style.
Graphics are subjective, what got me into this thread was somone coming into it posting a pic of a low res, minimum graphics, of SWG and saying, "See this is SWG compared to SW:ToR" - which is complete and utter BS. SWG had awesome graphics for its day. It may not be cutting edge, but for 2002 those were really good...and still as good as some we get today.
Seems some one took it too much to heart. People were comparing TOR with it being not at its best and I presented a picture of SWG not at its best.
It's quite amusing the lengths you went to in order to try and put SWG on a pedestal if I do say so myself. But please. Don't me stop you. Continue with your rant with why SWG is so great.
Oh...wait...please show me where you posted saying this is SWG at its bare minimum and then explaining as much. You didn't do that...you posted a pix and said this is SWG graphics - epic or something like that.
I'm sorry that my tongue and cheek humour was beyond you. I'll try to spell things out in future.
well if we are talking about swg that is still running till the 20th or pre nge swg becouse sony made small tweeks and updates to the graphics with expacs and patches over the years. not huge but little things here and there, also this conversation is pointless. some people think swtor graphics suck and some think there amazing. some think wows are great and some think its crap. its hard to compare graphics with completley diff artistic style.
Graphics are subjective, what got me into this thread was somone coming into it posting a pic of a low res, minimum graphics, of SWG and saying, "See this is SWG compared to SW:ToR" - which is complete and utter BS. SWG had awesome graphics for its day. It may not be cutting edge, but for 2002 those were really good...and still as good as some we get today.
Seems some one took it too much to heart.
People were comparing TOR with it being not at its best and I presented a picture of SWG not at its best.
It's quite amusing the lengths you went to in order to try and put SWG on a pedestal if I do say so myself. But please. Don't let me stop you. By all means. Continue with your rant with why SWG is so great. Not like it matters with the game being dead and all.
SWG pre-NGE was a far better game than the MMO arcade game Bioware created. Also, SWG pre-NGE had over 350+k people playing it. It may not have been WoW's numbers, but back then it was really good...now look at games of today in the western market. Game publishers would kill to have 350k subscribers.
well if we are talking about swg that is still running till the 20th or pre nge swg becouse sony made small tweeks and updates to the graphics with expacs and patches over the years. not huge but little things here and there, also this conversation is pointless. some people think swtor graphics suck and some think there amazing. some think wows are great and some think its crap. its hard to compare graphics with completley diff artistic style.
Graphics are subjective, what got me into this thread was somone coming into it posting a pic of a low res, minimum graphics, of SWG and saying, "See this is SWG compared to SW:ToR" - which is complete and utter BS. SWG had awesome graphics for its day. It may not be cutting edge, but for 2002 those were really good...and still as good as some we get today.
Seems some one took it too much to heart.
People were comparing TOR with it being not at its best and I presented a picture of SWG not at its best.
It's quite amusing the lengths you went to in order to try and put SWG on a pedestal if I do say so myself. But please. Don't me stop you. Continue with your rant with why SWG is so great.
Oh...wait...please show me where you posted saying this is SWG at its bare minimum and then explaining as much. You didn't do that...you posted a pix and said this is SWG graphics - epic or something like that.
lol. so funny. You clearly picked a screen that suited your argument. if you google swg images right now that screen is the first page of results and is clearly one of the worst out of the bunch.
First off all graphic options were NOT available during the BETAs. Second showing a patch of grass doesnt show the graphics of any game. I dont think TOR graphics are amazing but a lot better then what this patch of grass shows.
SWG pre-NGE was a far better game than the MMO arcade game Bioware created. Also, SWG pre-NGE had over 350+k people playing it. It may not have been WoW's numbers, but back then it was really good...now look at games of today in the western market. Game publishers would kill to have 350k subscribers.
And what has this rant got anything to do with original topic? Better and good is subjective thing and you can argue about it all day long but i doubt those who like SWTOR would agree with you. All i sense is an another bitter SWG player who can not understand something so simple that SWTOR is what Bioware always said it would be. A story driven themepark MMO.
Stop lashing out at Bioware as if they snatched the toys out of your hands or they promised you that they will make another SWG sandbox MMO . SOE / LA are the real culprits here.
How many servers SWTOR will launch with on release?
ShredderSE - Umm how many do they need? Maybe 6. US, EU, Asian, France, German and Russian. Subs will be so low there is no need for more Snoocky-How many servers? The first 3 months a lot...after that 2 i guess, one for PVE and 1 for PVP...
Thorbrand - SWTOR doesn't have longevity at all. Might be one of the shortest lived MMOs.
SWG pre-NGE was a far better game than the MMO arcade game Bioware created. Also, SWG pre-NGE had over 350+k people playing it. It may not have been WoW's numbers, but back then it was really good...now look at games of today in the western market. Game publishers would kill to have 350k subscribers.
And what has this rant got anything to do with original topic? Better and good is subjective thing and you can argue about it all day long but i doubt those who like SWTOR would agree with you. All i sense is an another bitter SWG player who can not understand something so simple that SWTOR is what Bioware always said it would be. A story driven themepark MMO.
Stop lashing out at Bioware as if they snatched the toys out of your hands or they promised you that they will make another SWG sandbox MMO . SOE / LA are the real culprits here.
Yep, take my comment out of context. As for me being a bitter SWG vet...yep, As for Bioware...not my fault they made an Arcade MMO.
Give it up, Teala. No point in trying to have a smart debate with "fans" who have obviously blinded themselves to their beloved games' glaring faults.
I put "fans" in quotations becasue I like to think a true fan would be honest and aknowledge something for what it is, and accept it, instead of screaming childishly in the face of valid criticisms.
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
SWG pre-NGE was a far better game than the MMO arcade game Bioware created. Also, SWG pre-NGE had over 350+k people playing it. It may not have been WoW's numbers, but back then it was really good...now look at games of today in the western market. Game publishers would kill to have 350k subscribers.
And what has this rant got anything to do with original topic? Better and good is subjective thing and you can argue about it all day long but i doubt those who like SWTOR would agree with you. All i sense is an another bitter SWG player who can not understand something so simple that SWTOR is what Bioware always said it would be. A story driven themepark MMO. Stop lashing out at Bioware as if they snatched the toys out of your hands or they promised you that they will make another SWG sandbox MMO . SOE / LA are the real culprits here.
Yep, take my comment out of context. As for me being a bitter SWG vet...yep, As for Bioware...not my fault they made an Arcade MMO.
And not their fault that you don't seem to enjoy it. Seems many others do how ever.
Be honest here, for SWG you had to force on anti aliasing and filtering! WAIT! You have to do that for TOR too! On a high end machine like mine TOR looks just fine. Forced AA and filtering = win.
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Those are both videos of Tatooine, and I think a lot of devs over the years have struggled with making desert environments look good. That's the main difference I see. Other planets had foliage and that makes a big difference. Foliage is often one of the first things people disable to improve performance too, though.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
This is how the game was on my comp. I played with everything maxed and forced AA. Had a good system back then. I remember people complaining on launch day saying the game was too laggy, and that the graphics were to taxing on their systems. Maybe the reason most peoples videos look bad is because they are running fraps and they cannot run the game on maxed settings. Plus I quit playing SWG the month NGE came out, so all my screenies I am posting are pre-NGE. I have no clue what SOE did to the graphics post-NGE. I can tell you this though...for someone to come on this forum and show a crappy low-res, low setting screenie and say this is how SWG's graphics look compared to SW:TOR is total BS. SWG for it's time had some great graphics.
Here are a few more I took while playing. These are all from my days with IGN.com, but these are all from in game with the UI turned off.
^^ My blockade runner.
^^
^^ Learning to fly in the holo trainer.
^^
^^ B-Wing combat...we were out smoking Tie-fighters having a blast - literally. ^^
^^ Back before the NGE my character was an, Artisan, Master Dancer, ran a club, and had a crafting business. We had our own city even. ^^
^^ A nefarious crime lords palace located on Tattooine - filled with the normal riff-raff. ^^
^^ Spaceport on Naboo. ^^
It's because they screwed up and licensed the wrong engine.
There is a reason why Hero's Journey MMO never came out and why it's only a reference game for licensees of the Hero Engine.
I actually managed a while back (for kickers) to get a demo license on the Hero Engine and fired up Hero's Journey. It was a huge lagging mess, took ages to even load. It was absolutely terrible and useless.
So I think it is far more likely that Bioware ended up being forced to heavy stylize their graphics with crappy low rez textures to make the game even run properly on most systems and still being able to render enough players within a single zone. :-/
Those shots look a lot better than the videos I saw for sure. They might not compete with today's games, but for the time they look pretty good actually.
Can anyone recommend a good video of SWG that shows the gameplay more like it really looked then? Having never played it, I can't really judge them, and with TOR being released soon, I felt I should know a little about this SWG that everyone talks about
Good luck with that. You have to remember, that fraps was fairly new back then and computers weren't the fastest things on the planet either. I remember running fraps in SWG, it required turning off foliage, shadows, and limiting graphics to maybe medium. Wish I still had my fraps of the one I made on my dancer. It was awesome.
everyone is just cherry picking screens to make their point . i love swg and if it relaunched today then i would be back playing it, but swg had some really bad edges back in the day. just like if you pick the right angles and distances in wow then it can look great but other time you see an completley square mountian or tree.
This the SWG E3 2002 demo. Not the the greatest resolution, but shows what the game engine was all about back then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=z8C66S39jh4
Makes me wonder if that's also why they use such linear map design, even by Bioware standards. It's probably a lot easier to render small areas and narrow paths than wide open zones. Could this even be why the game feels lifeless? Maybe they've needed to be really minimalist in their environment design, because the engine handles the extra clutter, effects, and animations rather poorly?
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
The first video I linked to in my first post was taken in 2010 (he mentions in the video that the game is over 7 years old at the time), so i don't think the guy has much problem running fraps and SWG now. There must be other videos out there from the past few years than just this one to show the graphics better?
You're right about the resolution lol... but seriously, when I first saw the other videos of SWG, I thought it looked more like EQ1... but from what I can tell in those videos it is closer to like WoW graphics, which is much prettier than I thought. I kinda wish I had had the chance to play it.
well if we are talking about swg that is still running till the 20th or pre nge swg becouse sony made small tweeks and updates to the graphics with expacs and patches over the years. not huge but little things here and there, also this conversation is pointless. some people think swtor graphics suck and some think there amazing. some think wows are great and some think its crap. its hard to compare graphics with completley diff artistic style.
Here's another one of actual gameplay, that was taken in the cu era of the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hAK8xjHizm0
And another in high rez
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8VeLum8CUTc
Graphics are subjective, what got me into this thread was somone coming into it posting a pic of a low res, minimum graphics, of SWG and saying, "See this is SWG compared to SW:ToR" - which is complete and utter BS. SWG had awesome graphics for its day. It may not be cutting edge, but for 2002 those were really good...and still as good as some we get today.
Thats the swg i remember^^^ i loved swg and its hard to say bad things about it but the graphics where always way down the list of things that made me play.
Seems some one took it too much to heart.
People were comparing TOR with it being not at its best and I presented a picture of SWG not at its best.
It's quite amusing the lengths you went to in order to try and put SWG on a pedestal if I do say so myself. But please. Don't let me stop you. By all means. Continue with your rant with why SWG is so great. Not like it matters with the game being dead and all.
-Azure Prower
http://www.youtube.com/AzurePrower
Oh...wait...please show me where you posted saying this is SWG at its bare minimum and then explaining as much. You didn't do that...you posted a pix and said this is SWG graphics - epic or something like that.
Graphics are subjective, what got me into this thread was somone coming into it posting a pic of a low res, minimum graphics, of SWG and saying, "See this is SWG compared to SW:ToR" - which is complete and utter BS. SWG had awesome graphics for its day. It may not be cutting edge, but for 2002 those were really good...and still as good as some we get today.
Seems some one took it too much to heart.
People were comparing TOR with it being not at its best and I presented a picture of SWG not at its best.
It's quite amusing the lengths you went to in order to try and put SWG on a pedestal if I do say so myself. But please. Don't me stop you. Continue with your rant with why SWG is so great.
Oh...wait...please show me where you posted saying this is SWG at its bare minimum and then explaining as much. You didn't do that...you posted a pix and said this is SWG graphics - epic or something like that.
I'm sorry that my tongue and cheek humour was beyond you. I'll try to spell things out in future.
-Azure Prower
http://www.youtube.com/AzurePrower
SWG pre-NGE was a far better game than the MMO arcade game Bioware created. Also, SWG pre-NGE had over 350+k people playing it. It may not have been WoW's numbers, but back then it was really good...now look at games of today in the western market. Game publishers would kill to have 350k subscribers.
lol. so funny. You clearly picked a screen that suited your argument. if you google swg images right now that screen is the first page of results and is clearly one of the worst out of the bunch.
Second showing a patch of grass doesnt show the graphics of any game. I dont think TOR graphics are amazing but a lot better then what this patch of grass shows.
And what has this rant got anything to do with original topic? Better and good is subjective thing and you can argue about it all day long but i doubt those who like SWTOR would agree with you. All i sense is an another bitter SWG player who can not understand something so simple that SWTOR is what Bioware always said it would be. A story driven themepark MMO.
Stop lashing out at Bioware as if they snatched the toys out of your hands or they promised you that they will make another SWG sandbox MMO . SOE / LA are the real culprits here.
How many servers SWTOR will launch with on release?
ShredderSE - Umm how many do they need? Maybe 6.
US, EU, Asian, France, German and Russian.
Subs will be so low there is no need for more
Snoocky-How many servers?
The first 3 months a lot...after that 2 i guess, one for PVE and 1 for PVP...
Thorbrand - SWTOR doesn't have longevity at all. Might be one of the shortest lived MMOs.
Yep, take my comment out of context. As for me being a bitter SWG vet...yep, As for Bioware...not my fault they made an Arcade MMO.
Give it up, Teala. No point in trying to have a smart debate with "fans" who have obviously blinded themselves to their beloved games' glaring faults.
I put "fans" in quotations becasue I like to think a true fan would be honest and aknowledge something for what it is, and accept it, instead of screaming childishly in the face of valid criticisms.
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
I need to take this advice more.
And not their fault that you don't seem to enjoy it. Seems many others do how ever.
If this is not the MMO you are looking for. Take Sean Connery's advice about SWG and TOR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DHIqUkmj-o
-Azure Prower
http://www.youtube.com/AzurePrower
Be honest here, for SWG you had to force on anti aliasing and filtering! WAIT! You have to do that for TOR too! On a high end machine like mine TOR looks just fine. Forced AA and filtering = win.