TOR is as much of a WOW clone as WOW was an EQ clone. Someone mentioned the base fundamental systems of WOW are whats in TOR, yeah they are and WOW copied those same ones from EQ1. While WOW may have improved on many things most of the base game is copied.
WOW doesn't have companion system You mean a PET system and a crafting system? Riiiiiiight.
WOW doesn't have crew skills PET Skills
WOW doesn't have modding system You mean a way to change your appearance or slot items.
WOW doesn't have jedi and sith
WOW doesn't have FFA PVP Are you referring to TORs Zoned PVP area, right.
WOW doesn't have dungeons which change on basis of choices made by players So all this is, is an extra time sink, Raiding guilds will be forced to run the same dungeion over and over again more than they do in WOW, its just an asthetic FLUFF timesink more than anything.
And my favorite..wow doesn't have lightsabers
I have to go grab a beer now so this is my list for now. People focus too much on similar and forget what is different
Right all of that is Fluff every bit of it, thats like me telling you Oh yeh well TOR doesnt have mounted cats, mounted cats are a new thing no game has done before. OR that in WOW you can be an elf, you cant do that in TOR, its groundbreaking. There is not a significant real differance in either of these games.
WOW doesn't have companion system You mean a PET system and a crafting system? Riiiiiiight.
WOW doesn't have crew skills PET Skills
WOW doesn't have modding system You mean a way to change your appearance or slot items.
WOW doesn't have jedi and sith
WOW doesn't have FFA PVP Are you referring to TORs Zoned PVP area, right.
WOW doesn't have dungeons which change on basis of choices made by players So all this is, is an extra time sink, Raiding guilds will be forced to run the same dungeion over and over again more than they do in WOW, its just an asthetic FLUFF timesink more than anything.
And my favorite..wow doesn't have lightsabers
I have to go grab a beer now so this is my list for now. People focus too much on similar and forget what is different
Right all of that is Fluff every bit of it, thats like me telling you Oh yeh well TOR doesnt have mounted cats, mounted cats are a new thing no game has done before. OR that in WOW you can be an elf, you cant do that in TOR, its groundbreaking. There is not a significant real differance in either of these games.
You tried pretty hard there to disaporve everything i said. But i don't expect anything better from a biased GW2 fan. I could care less if you like or dislike what SWTOR has to offer but it is pretty clear that SWTOR is different from WOW. All i got from you reply was lots of grumbling and 'fluff*.
I bet GW2 has lots of fluff and features that have been done before.
*rolls eyes*
How many servers SWTOR will launch with on release?
ShredderSE - Umm how many do they need? Maybe 6. US, EU, Asian, France, German and Russian. Subs will be so low there is no need for more Snoocky-How many servers? The first 3 months a lot...after that 2 i guess, one for PVE and 1 for PVP...
Thorbrand - SWTOR doesn't have longevity at all. Might be one of the shortest lived MMOs.
You tried pretty hard there to disaporve everything i said. But i don't expect anything better from a biased GW2 fan. I could care less if you like or dislike what SWTOR has to offer but it is pretty clear that SWTOR is different from WOW. All i got from you reply was lots of grumbling and 'fluff*.
I bet GW2 has lots of fluff and features that have been done before.
*rolls eyes*
I didn't even mention GW2 your not over there spreading rumors again are you? Shrug roll eyes all you want you know I'm right.
Go ahead and name a significant differance, I will wait and then point out that its simply an asthetic difference. You have to be in total denial not to see it.
You tried pretty hard there to disaporve everything i said. But i don't expect anything better from a biased GW2 fan. I could care less if you like or dislike what SWTOR has to offer but it is pretty clear that SWTOR is different from WOW. All i got from you reply was lots of grumbling and 'fluff*.
I bet GW2 has lots of fluff and features that have been done before.
*rolls eyes*
I didn't even mention GW2 your not over there spreading rumors again are you? Shrug roll eyes all you want you know I'm right.
Go ahead and name a significant differance, I will wait and then point out that its simply an asthetic difference. You have to be in total denial not to see it.
Post history says it all.
GW2 =fluff. Lets just end at that note.
How many servers SWTOR will launch with on release?
ShredderSE - Umm how many do they need? Maybe 6. US, EU, Asian, France, German and Russian. Subs will be so low there is no need for more Snoocky-How many servers? The first 3 months a lot...after that 2 i guess, one for PVE and 1 for PVP...
Thorbrand - SWTOR doesn't have longevity at all. Might be one of the shortest lived MMOs.
Meh, its not worth the effort. Haters love to hate.The game is nothing like WOW, but if the ignorant want to keep spouting that clone gibberish let them. Ill still be in game when this launches while they are still huffing and puffing on these forums because they can't find a game that meets their high and mighty standards.
Meh, its not worth the effort. Haters love to hate.The game is nothing like WOW, but if the ignorant want to keep spouting that clone gibberish let them. Ill still be in game when this launches while they are still huffing and puffing on these forums because they can't find a game that meets their high and mighty standards.
Well.... WoW has stolen every major innovation that has ever been done in any game. It wouldn't be surprising for them to steal a majority of the good things out of SWTOR and then have the WoW crowd say that WoW was the first fully voiced MMo. I mean people don't even realize how little innovation Blizzard does with their game it is amazing. WoW has been an EQ clone since its inception and has been the gelatinous blob that has consumed everyones ideas since then. People like that about WoW, and I won't diss them for it as they steal the ideas and polish it up. Can't really go wrong with that unless you want originality and who wants originality anymore.
IMO devs need to stop focusing on gear as the sole method to judge your characters advancement and improvement, but thats just me.
Ok, I understand your opinion, but what is option B?
Achievements?
You then have to have finished the content before people think you are ready to do the content - which makes no sense.
What other measuring stick do you use?
Skills/level? At "end game" everyone will have maxed out skills and/or level, so how do you seperate the good from the bad?
Now I agree that mods like GearScore and Deadly Boss Mods did far, far more damage to WoW than they did good. Just like LFG finder made things "easier" but also ruined any sense of community or purpose to having a reputation and being a skilled player.
I guess I'm old school, but I believe that if you want to do end-game level content, you join a guild and prove yourself capable in terms of skill and make friendships with your guildies.
If you just want to PUG randomly, then you have to prepare yourself to being judged by the only available measuring sticks available to a group leader to determine whether or not you can handle the content.
Between the two options: What WoW has become and what WoW was back in Vanilla and most of BC, I'd take the neccessity of social interaction and reputation from Vanilla/BC over the Wrath/Cata WoW 10 times out of 10.
You have an third option, I'm sure devs would love to hear it!
Well to some extent you are right there will always be some "Meter" to which you are judged however my only issue is when the meter really is 80% of your capabilities.
In wow you can be the absolute BEST healer who has ever healed, or the best tank who ever pulled... but if you gear isn't good enough for the content then it doesnt matter how skilled you are.
The flip side, you can be an absolutely TERRIBLE player but if your gear is amazing then it more or less hides the fact that you dont have a clue.
This is my issue. I'd prefer if the tallent of the player had a bit more focus in the end game. That way as you stated player interaction and social means take over as opposed to simply checking someones gear.
I remember playing DAOC and my gear was utter crap, however I was known on my server as an outstanding healer and was taken over those with better gear because my performance was better.
That being said I'm a bit jaded as I usually enjoy sandbox games more, games like eve and uo where gear really doesnt matter as much at all.
WOW doesn't have companion system You mean a PET system and a crafting system? Riiiiiiight.
WOW doesn't have crew skills PET Skills
WOW doesn't have modding system You mean a way to change your appearance or slot items.
WOW doesn't have jedi and sith
WOW doesn't have FFA PVP Are you referring to TORs Zoned PVP area, right.
WOW doesn't have dungeons which change on basis of choices made by players So all this is, is an extra time sink, Raiding guilds will be forced to run the same dungeion over and over again more than they do in WOW, its just an asthetic FLUFF timesink more than anything.
And my favorite..wow doesn't have lightsabers
I have to go grab a beer now so this is my list for now. People focus too much on similar and forget what is different
Right all of that is Fluff every bit of it, thats like me telling you Oh yeh well TOR doesnt have mounted cats, mounted cats are a new thing no game has done before. OR that in WOW you can be an elf, you cant do that in TOR, its groundbreaking. There is not a significant real differance in either of these games.
You tried pretty hard there to disaporve everything i said. But i don't expect anything better from a biased GW2 fan. I could care less if you like or dislike what SWTOR has to offer but it is pretty clear that SWTOR is different from WOW. All i got from you reply was lots of grumbling and 'fluff*.
I bet GW2 has lots of fluff and features that have been done before.
*rolls eyes*
Nothing that you called FLUFF is not really fluff.
Let's not forget that SWTOR's combat, while similiar to WoW's, is faster paced and much more engaging.
Tor's graphics aren't spectacular but are still lightyears ahead of WoW's.
Originally posted by h0urg1ass Originally posted by lizardbones
Originally posted by kamenwati Because there are millions of people whose first MMO was WoW, so in their minds, WoW invented everything.
Even if WoW was the first MMO, there are many differences between WoW and SWToR. SWToR is not a reskinned WoW. It would be far more accurate to call SWToR a descendant of WoW. In the same Genus (theme park) but a different species (Theme Parkus WoW and Theme Parkus SWToR).
THIS I can agree with. But to say that SWTOR doesn't directly copy all of the core fundamentals that WoW has established is just people putting their heads in the sand and saying "If I can't see it, then it's not true!" over and over. lol
Well yeah. You don't try and move cars around without wheels unless you have something better than wheels. That doesn't mean you can make a better (per individual opinion of course) car.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
... EA isn't here to make you happy, they're here to turn a buck and which MMO turns the most bucks? ...
QFT .
and that is the cold hard truth.. this is a business. they are looking for mass appeal. we as gamers need to chill out and just enjoy the game... stop looking for some special unique experience, tailore just for our personal liking.
swtor has all the elements that years of experience have told developers "that just work". other games that fail,l often fail because people are just sick of the genre
(dcuo had a ton of potential, but it used that same weird swg NGE targeting thing and people just couldnt get on board with it. i have tried multiple times... i loathe that camera look thing)
stick with what works... wow is a great game but its success is due in big part to asian gold farmers who have multiple accounts and use it as a legit career to live on. the VAST majority of players are NOT westerners and are on a very very different pay model than we are.
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TOR is as much of a WOW clone as WOW was an EQ clone. Someone mentioned the base fundamental systems of WOW are whats in TOR, yeah they are and WOW copied those same ones from EQ1. While WOW may have improved on many things most of the base game is copied.
Right all of that is Fluff every bit of it, thats like me telling you Oh yeh well TOR doesnt have mounted cats, mounted cats are a new thing no game has done before. OR that in WOW you can be an elf, you cant do that in TOR, its groundbreaking. There is not a significant real differance in either of these games.
You tried pretty hard there to disaporve everything i said. But i don't expect anything better from a biased GW2 fan. I could care less if you like or dislike what SWTOR has to offer but it is pretty clear that SWTOR is different from WOW. All i got from you reply was lots of grumbling and 'fluff*.
I bet GW2 has lots of fluff and features that have been done before.
*rolls eyes*
How many servers SWTOR will launch with on release?
ShredderSE - Umm how many do they need? Maybe 6.
US, EU, Asian, France, German and Russian.
Subs will be so low there is no need for more
Snoocky-How many servers?
The first 3 months a lot...after that 2 i guess, one for PVE and 1 for PVP...
Thorbrand - SWTOR doesn't have longevity at all. Might be one of the shortest lived MMOs.
Comparing WoW and ToR is like comparing LoL and DotA2.
Some see the differences, everybody see the similarities.
I didn't even mention GW2 your not over there spreading rumors again are you? Shrug roll eyes all you want you know I'm right.
Go ahead and name a significant differance, I will wait and then point out that its simply an asthetic difference. You have to be in total denial not to see it.
Post history says it all.
GW2 =fluff. Lets just end at that note.
How many servers SWTOR will launch with on release?
ShredderSE - Umm how many do they need? Maybe 6.
US, EU, Asian, France, German and Russian.
Subs will be so low there is no need for more
Snoocky-How many servers?
The first 3 months a lot...after that 2 i guess, one for PVE and 1 for PVP...
Thorbrand - SWTOR doesn't have longevity at all. Might be one of the shortest lived MMOs.
I compare tomatoes to apples all the time. They can be red or green. They are both a fruit. They both have seeds. They are both delicious in salad.
I don't see why people can't compare like objects even though they may be completely different.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
Well.... WoW has stolen every major innovation that has ever been done in any game. It wouldn't be surprising for them to steal a majority of the good things out of SWTOR and then have the WoW crowd say that WoW was the first fully voiced MMo. I mean people don't even realize how little innovation Blizzard does with their game it is amazing. WoW has been an EQ clone since its inception and has been the gelatinous blob that has consumed everyones ideas since then. People like that about WoW, and I won't diss them for it as they steal the ideas and polish it up. Can't really go wrong with that unless you want originality and who wants originality anymore.
Well to some extent you are right there will always be some "Meter" to which you are judged however my only issue is when the meter really is 80% of your capabilities.
In wow you can be the absolute BEST healer who has ever healed, or the best tank who ever pulled... but if you gear isn't good enough for the content then it doesnt matter how skilled you are.
The flip side, you can be an absolutely TERRIBLE player but if your gear is amazing then it more or less hides the fact that you dont have a clue.
This is my issue. I'd prefer if the tallent of the player had a bit more focus in the end game. That way as you stated player interaction and social means take over as opposed to simply checking someones gear.
I remember playing DAOC and my gear was utter crap, however I was known on my server as an outstanding healer and was taken over those with better gear because my performance was better.
That being said I'm a bit jaded as I usually enjoy sandbox games more, games like eve and uo where gear really doesnt matter as much at all.
Nothing that you called FLUFF is not really fluff.
Let's not forget that SWTOR's combat, while similiar to WoW's, is faster paced and much more engaging.
Tor's graphics aren't spectacular but are still lightyears ahead of WoW's.
Even if WoW was the first MMO, there are many differences between WoW and SWToR. SWToR is not a reskinned WoW. It would be far more accurate to call SWToR a descendant of WoW. In the same Genus (theme park) but a different species (Theme Parkus WoW and Theme Parkus SWToR).
THIS I can agree with. But to say that SWTOR doesn't directly copy all of the core fundamentals that WoW has established is just people putting their heads in the sand and saying "If I can't see it, then it's not true!" over and over. lol
Well yeah. You don't try and move cars around without wheels unless you have something better than wheels. That doesn't mean you can make a better (per individual opinion of course) car.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
QFT .
and that is the cold hard truth.. this is a business. they are looking for mass appeal. we as gamers need to chill out and just enjoy the game... stop looking for some special unique experience, tailore just for our personal liking.
swtor has all the elements that years of experience have told developers "that just work". other games that fail,l often fail because people are just sick of the genre
(dcuo had a ton of potential, but it used that same weird swg NGE targeting thing and people just couldnt get on board with it. i have tried multiple times... i loathe that camera look thing)
stick with what works... wow is a great game but its success is due in big part to asian gold farmers who have multiple accounts and use it as a legit career to live on. the VAST majority of players are NOT westerners and are on a very very different pay model than we are.
www.insomniacsbar.com (my little bar that i own in florida)