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marinridermarinrider Member UncommonPosts: 1,556

So, let me start out by saying when I last played Eve I was obsessed with getting my mining barge and getting some PI going.  I did all that and very quickly got bored, even when corp mining.  (Yes, I understand that there isnt much way that staring at rocks in 0.6 space will ever be fun).  I just got an offer from CCP for 60 days for 15 bucks but I have a few questions.

 

From what I understand about Eve, the real fun is obviously in PvP.  My question is what kind of time commitment will I be looking at (played time, not training time) if I were to go down that route (PvP, missions, and rats)?  Would I need to treat it like a second job?  

Also, along the same lines, flying crappy ships for 2 months (as I saw someone suggest in another thread) doesn't sound fun to me either.  I do understand the concept of "dont fly what you can't afford to lose"  so how long does it take until I can afford to lose a nicer, better equiped ship?

Finally, what else would you fine folks suggest to do in Eve that might also be fun (and more than gate jumping for an hour and a half)?

A few notes:

1) All of this will be with a corp that I find. So thats that.

2) I'm interested in "Time to fun."  While I'm not interested in that take months on end, I'm not attacking the time commitment if that is true.  I'm just saying thats not for me at this current stage of my life. (And my current level of patience)

 

 

Also, does anyone else feel a greater desire to play Eve in the cold months than in the warm or is that just me?

 

 

Comments

  • ZinzanZinzan Member UncommonPosts: 1,351

    EvE is fundimentally boring, if you got bored once, you will get bored again.

    Return quite often for a month now and then and i never play out the time, 2-3 weeks tops then i remember why i quit.

    Community is terrible in hi-sec, it's just chocka block with scammers, flippers, ninjas, griefers and many really unpleasant people. The worst thing, no-one moderates the channels, ok the scams are part of the game, but the xenophobia is unchecked and some of the conversations should be investigated by the police, they are that abhorrant and evil.

    Low sec has gone downhill fast and null is just utterly pointless unless your in a massive alliance....which means you'll essentially be "playing" but actually doing an unpaid job as a miner.

    If you take it for what it is, can ignore the local channels and the huge amount of hatred that plagues the game it's still a great game. The fun is pvp, but it's such a rock, paper, scissors type game that even that gets old really quickly. Don't expect fair fights, it's gank and blob almost always.

    Mission running sucks these days, too many ninja looters trying to grief and limited number of missions available meaning you do the same over and over ad-nauseum, mining blows with the ice belt annex in Gal space.

    If you want to try something different and fun, grab a cloaked frigate and go scanning.

    Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy :)

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342


    Originally posted by marinrider
     
    From what I understand about Eve, the real fun is obviously in PvP. 

    Not true and fairly stupid assumption, I wonder how did you come to such conclusion?


    There are no crappy ships. Each ship has it's specific role and use.

    It is true that open world PVP is indeed relatively more time consuming as you need to spend time on looking for targets. From all what you said, I would say that Faction Warfare, FW Piracy and Red vs Blue could suit you the best.


    1) Very low entry barrier.
    2) Handful of other, low skilled pilots.
    3) Often PVPed in cheap fits and ships.
    4) The 'warzone' takes place at relatively small area.
    5) It is established active PVP with good population.


    You can just go out solo, it is doable but very limiting on target selection thus time consuming. Being a member of the groups listed above will help you greatly.


    Don't be stuck on the idea that you need skill points to do things in EVE, to fly 'nicer' ships. There are plenty of veteran players with a lots of skill points flying 'crappy' T1 frigates.

    You are just entering PVP which means you will lose ships easily and quickly thus there is little point flying expensive ships. Take is easy with no rush and start with frigates/cruisers. With time, your experience will match with your skill points required to fly different ships.

    Fly safe.


  • NeikoNeiko Member UncommonPosts: 626

    Originally posted by Gdemami

    Don't be stuck on the idea that you need skill points to do things in EVE, to fly 'nicer' ships. There are plenty of veteran players with a lots of skill points flying 'crappy' T1 frigates.

    You are just entering PVP which means you will lose ships easily and quickly thus there is little point flying expensive ships. Take is easy with no rush and start with frigates/cruisers. With time, your experience will match with your skill points required to fly different ships.

    Fly safe.

    This is a true statement. Sure, you can sit and wait in your station, training to get that extra 5% bonus to something, but in the grand scheme of things, player numbers and player skill will outshine the "extra 5%" most of the time.

  • helthroshelthros Member UncommonPosts: 1,449

    Originally posted by marinrider

    So, let me start out by saying when I last played Eve I was obsessed with getting my mining barge and getting some PI going.  I did all that and very quickly got bored, even when corp mining.  (Yes, I understand that there isnt much way that staring at rocks in 0.6 space will ever be fun).  I just got an offer from CCP for 60 days for 15 bucks but I have a few questions.

     

    From what I understand about Eve, the real fun is obviously in PvP.  My question is what kind of time commitment will I be looking at (played time, not training time) if I were to go down that route (PvP, missions, and rats)?  Would I need to treat it like a second job?

    Depends on how addictive your personality is to be honest. The beginning will be a little tougher obviously, since your means to make ISK and your collection of assets will be minimal. Unless you are completely careless, you sohuld rack up a few ships which starts to alleviate the need to rat (make isk). Once you get a decent ratting ship setup, it's usually downhill from there (for a bit anyway).

    Being able to fly an expensive ship doesn't mean you can afford to lose an expensive ship. Keeping that in mind, most people will PvP with relatively cheap ships (especially battlecruisers). This means that losing a ship and replacing it requires minimal effort.

    Some Corps require you attend to X amount of scheduled ops a month or something, but I've been fortunate to find one that knows real life comes first so I don't worry about that. Our PvP Ops run 3 hours max, usually 1 to 2 though.

    Because of the way skill training works I feel that EVE Online is the best game for someone with a life to play. Why? Well for example, I just finished finals where I haven't been able to play for about a month. However, having kept my sub active, setting up my PI here and there, and doing my skill queue - I have isk to come back to and new skills/ship capabilities to look forward to. No other game will have you advance your character while you take care of real life stuff, you can't beat that when you have responsibilities.

    Also, along the same lines, flying crappy ships for 2 months (as I saw someone suggest in another thread) doesn't sound fun to me either.  I do understand the concept of "dont fly what you can't afford to lose"  so how long does it take until I can afford to lose a nicer, better equiped ship?

    This ties down to how much time you have to rat. Keep in mind some of the better alliances out there have ship replacmeent programs for losing ships in PvP. For example, I'll pay maybe 5mil out of my pocket for losing a 50mil or so ship. That's killing maybe 2 battleship rats in a belt spawn (that will take all of 2 minutes). Not every alliance has the resources for ship reimbursement though.

    The main ship you'll most likely be using for DPS in PvP will be a battlecruiser. You'll get into this ship within your first month or so. Over a year into the game, I still use my hurricane (minmatar battlecruiser) more than any other ship. It's just so versatile, easy to replace and potent that you can't really go wrong with it.

    Finally, what else would you fine folks suggest to do in Eve that might also be fun (and more than gate jumping for an hour and a half)?

    A few friends I just got into the game are really getting interested in recon work. That means going out in a cloaky ship looking for expensive targets and such to take out or small litlte gangs to hotdrop (requires an allied Titan for hotdropping obviously). It requires a decent amount of knowledge of the game, but everyone that gets in on that carrier killmail will love you for your work.

    A few notes:

    1) All of this will be with a corp that I find. So thats that.

    Yes find a good one

    2) I'm interested in "Time to fun."  While I'm not interested in that take months on end, I'm not attacking the time commitment if that is true.  I'm just saying thats not for me at this current stage of my life. (And my current level of patience)

     

    Like I stated earlier, there is no better game for accomodating real life responsibilities. You're only missing out on good fights and isk generation. The only thing is that it takes about a month or so for even the most lenient of PvP Corps to really consider you without any recommendations.

    Also, does anyone else feel a greater desire to play Eve in the cold months than in the warm or is that just me?

    My desire to play comes and goes. When I check my killboard and see it showered in green - I want to play cause I'm missing out on action. I usually balance this with League of Legends to get that on demand action - However, that will soon be replaced by ToR I suspect.

     

     

    PS. The length of time to get introduced to the game used to be so long because of trianing learning skills. You had to train skills that would in turn train the rest of your skills faster. Having removed those, you're training towards your ships right from the start. I think part of the new introduction packages for the winter even offer implants that will help you train even faster. If you have a friend or someone to fund you implants, you're getting combat ready faster still.

    I'm tempted to start some Corp recruiting up in this piece to get the people that really want to see what the game has to offer.

  • NobleNoobNobleNoob Member Posts: 3

    Start here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=691169

     

    RVB you will get cheap no committment pvp. While you learn and train skill sets for bigger better ships.

    You can do incursions for isk and eventually move into 0.0 if you want to join in large scale battles.

    PVP can be solo ro in groups, its up to you. Once you get experience yo can join a mercenary corp or a pirate corp.

     

    Boring is as boring does. Eve leaves it all up to you to find and do things you find fun, so put some effort into it and you will get fun out of it.

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