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anarchyart
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Funny how the bigger games on the market seem more unstable than Horizons. WoW I would crash multiple times a day, same for EQ2. FFXI update started early yesterday morning yet their network is still congested and I am unable to update. This is a game that has been out longer, has 500k+ subscribers and STILL their network technicians can't figure out what's wrong. 2 days of no FFXI for me. Battlefield 2 is buggier than an ant farm, the latest patch made my pings double and this is a BIG time release.
And then theres Horizons. I STILL have YET to crash ONCE! Their updates are weekly and have never dragged on since I started. Community is superb haven't even HEARD a cuss word yet. Thank god for Horizons on this day.
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Same here DOZeR. I have never had trouble with crashes or anything with EQ2 or WoW like I did with Hz.
anarchyart if you are having trouble Id suggest you post on the tech forums for those games. Im sure someone there can help you work the bugs out of your system.
Practice what you preach buddy
I actually haven't had trouble with CTDs on any game I've tried (HZ, WoW, CoH, EQII and others). I did have trouble with EQ but it turned out to be that I needed to update the firmware on my router.
So I can't sympathize with any of you. Sorry.
Practice what you preach buddy
I don't think the telling of my experience can be construed as focusing on the negative. All games have their problems. I was merely pointing out that Horizons has performed better than the big titles I have played, totally out of character with your opinion and the opinions of the other people who post negatively about it HERE.
But of course I get trolled just for saying my own positive experiences IN THE SECTION FOR THE GAME THAT I AM TALKING ABOUT! But look at your posts, you obviously don't like the game yet you post negative stuff here. That's 3 now, looks like we have found a new Horizons troll.
What possesses someone to troll the forums of a game they DO NOT like? No life? Just being a general all around bad person? Dunno but its called trolling and it is really lame and everyone knows it.
Sharing negative opinions/experiences about horizons is just as important and sharing the good. All things require balance.
Id like to ask that you keep giving your opinions, thats your right. Id also like for you to stick to the subject- HORIZONS. What does not belong in these forums is attacking/critizing others for their opinions.
You accuse me of being a horizons troll but you sir are a mmorpg member troll bashing and calling out anyone who happens to disagree with you.
But others telling theirs can?
You guys disagree.
Let's move on.
I've had random crashes, lock-ups, patching problems, technical issues, and crud knows what else, with ALL the mmorpgs I've played, for a variety or reasons, network lag, ram, hardware, you name it.
HZ is no better or worse, however:
EQ2 was technically MUCH more demanding but mostly more stable, and that was during beta.
WoW crashes often, but that's due to some of the add-ons I have running, and certainly not many times a day, maybe 3 times a week.
HZ was seriously BAD at first, and I mean SERIOUSLY bad. The combat lag problems were a game killer, and caused many to quit; you see a mob half a world away, head towards it, then your dead!! Wha? you ask. Then you realise, ALL this time you've been fighting, or rather getting beat on, your screen just didn't show it.
And if you play/ed in Europe you got MAJORLY bad service, and I mean MAJOR. Exceptionally bad tech and customer support too, not for days or weeks, but months on end. Many EU players spent months PLEADING with AE, then Tulga, to get a new service provider for the EU.
How it is now, I cannot say.
Considering how little content there is in HZ it SHOULD be stable. The mob spawning system means mobs are not in the world unless you show up, this reduces network traffic. Towns have NPCs but they are pretty static, or were when I played. No wandering NPCs, people having discusions, no metal workers at the forge, no smoke rising from hearths, no fighters training, grunting with excersion, no small animals/livestock wandering around (except outside town), and, apart from Tazoon, most cities are pretty devoid of detail.
Go to Stormwind in WoW if you want an example of a vibrant, lively, detailed, populated, mock medieval city.
And the world is not really THAT detailed either, there are no true forests, dense, gloomy, all stone/hill areas look the same, all snowy areas too, and there are vast areas of nothing, no NPCs, mobs ruins, buildings, water. I know, I played for 9 months, and explored EVERYWHERE twice, before and after they broke the world.
Both WoW and EQ2 are vastly more detailed, one photo realistic, the other cartoony, styilised, but dynamically lit. There is much more going on, much more for the computer to keep track of.
Yeah, but...
In Horizons you can go to an actual field where flax is growing and pick up a harvest knife and harvest some flax, or go to a cedar forest and pick up a tree axe and cut down some trees. In WoW you "loot" the resources. In Eq2 you find the resources scattered willy nilly across the lands and magically are able to gather from it without actually having the right tool on you.
In EQ2 and WoW you have limited storage capacity on your character, with packs that have ten or fewer slots for stuff and stack limits of 5 or 10 or 20 depending. In HZ your pack doesn't have slots, and can carry up to 100 or so different items, and there are no stack limits, only capacity limits. And in HZ there are a variety of cargo disks you can extend your capacity with. These are portable storage that you can park near resource processing machine which are, by the way, located out in the fields where the reouces are.
In WoW and EQ2, the world is static and players have no visible effect on it. In Horizons, players can buy land and build structures on it that become part of the permanent world for all to see. Players can work together and rebuild damaged bridges and tunnels and resource processing machines and other community structures for all to see and use. Each server can be different from each other server because of that. Players can build resource processers on their own land that are located close to resource fields.
Guilds can purchase little guild towns that have a central plot surrounded by a bunch of smaller plots, and guild members then can own those plots and build on them. Players can build houses with bind points in them. People can portal to their own guild town from a central portal.
Players can open their own shops with consigners and pawnbrokers, and can build their own training centers with trainers in them. Players can build taverns and gambling dens and gazeobs and fountains.
In WoW and EQ2, you can only choose a subset of classes for each race. You can't be a troll warlock in wow. And the different races all play the same game and differ really only in appearance. In Horizons there are two different games: the dragon game and the biped game. If you choose to play a dragon, you will play a quest driven game much like the quest driven worlds of WoW and EQ2, where most of your experience in crafting and adventuring is gained by questing. You will have a major epic quest that takes you from hatchling to adult dragon, and anopther epic quest in the wroks. If you play a biped, you can choose to play any adventure or craft class at any time, regardless of your race.
I could go on and on but my point is that Horizons has a lot of unique features that make it different from WoW and EQ2 and therefore preferable to those games for people who value what it offers over those games, or any others.
Thats a very optimistic view of Horizons. Other than reparing bridges, machines there is nothing unique to Horizons. I am not sure how you can compare such a wannabe game to both eq2 and wow. I have played all 3 games (currently playing wow) and Horizons cant compete with either for game play or just "fun".
I am still amazed games like this and SoR are even around. No game is perfect but I am suprised how much support people have for inferior games.
Why didnt you mention the out of date graphics engine that lags horribly (I have never been in a game with no one around and lagged so bad as I have in horizons) ,or basic content that was suppose to be in the game from day 1 that is still not there. I cannot believe almost 2 years later there is no tier 6 formulas.
This game had potential but that day has long since passed.
I'm not quite sure how you can say 'Other than repair bridges, machines' there is nothing unique to Horizons.
The whole construction system is unique to any game. I was on a plo of someone's last night (a large plot) where he had built his own little town just about. He had most of the major crafting machines, a Vault keeper, Houses, Consigners, Pawnbrokers, etc. all layout out in a very pleasing design. Because of this fellow's plot, all players have a resource that otherwise they wouldn't have. Because he is near several really good resource locations, he gives people the ability to save time in their crafting work, and to give adventurers places in the field a way to store their stuff and sell what they don't want on the Pawns and Connies. That's a pretty powerful and unique system right there. Players directly shape and effect the play experience of the other players on their shard. On the other server, they might not have the same stuff available where this one does, or have better things in better locations.
Don't forget players can also put places to bind to and to place trainers on their plots, thereby further changing the other players experiences.
Giving the players such a means to customize the world of their fellow players is certainly unique among the mmorpgs out there, and to ignore that is unfair.
And don't forget that Gnomeregan=Feledan for the most part. Feledan is free now due to the actions of the players. Gnomeregan will always be the same, unless the Devs of WoW decide to change it.
Well, I was just trying to balance out the negative view in the post preceding mine. There the bad things about HZ were compared to the good things about WoW and EQ2, and that is not a fair thing to do. So therefore I compared some of the good things about Horizons to some of the mediocre things about WoW and EQA2.
The point here is that each game has its strong points and its weak points. If you like WoW and EQ2 play them. If I like Horizons, I will play it. Personally, I play all three, and enjoy them for different reasons.
I played WoW and EQ2 just like you. I just unsubscribed to WoW and while it was terrific fun while it lasted, it became a snoozefest by level 55. Graphics don't lag much if at all anymore in Horizons, only very infrequently if at all. Mostly its smoothe sailing. I enjoy playing it and I am glad you enjoy WoW. Saying Horizons can't compete with WoW is pure opinion, and while WoW does have millions of subscribers so does Lineage 1 which I could never play.
It's all about what you like, I could never log back in to WoW its too freakin generic but I know that is just my opinion. EQ2 I could go back to in an instant but for now I have Horizons, FFXI and Battlefield 2 so all bases are covered.
OK, Un
Try this simple test.
Remove ALL crafting from HZ and what do you have left?
Very little.
And crafting is one huge grind, I know, I ground out several craft schools.
As for dragon quests? I once complained, on the community site, that dragons got ALL the quests, and how unfair it was.
I was flamed by many dragons that informed that 1. the quests were not that great, and 2. dragons were mostly a broken, incomplete class and were inferior to bipeds in too many ways to mention.
You cannot con me, I played the game, for a long time, I've read what MANY long term, senior players have posted about HZ, on the community site, about the grind, lack of end game, quests, content, I've witnessed the mass migration of friends leaving the game, and quitting the forums.
In August last year David Bowman, having seen the merge go through, posted about the future of HZ. He posted about having dragon lairs in by Xmas/new year, and the ARoP around the same time. Well it's almost August THIS year, so how have they done?
Anarchy...
What level are you now, what class/race do you play, how long have you been playing, not hours, I mean days, weeks?
I Ask because I was once like you, optimistic, and enjoying HZ.
But when you've ground out 400 craft levels in various schools, and 300 in various adv. classes, when you aproach the higher levels and have little to do but grind more levels, then grind a mutliclass, cos you have NO quests, NO dungeons, NO high level purpose, you too will see.
I'm not saying WoW is better, I simply say it has more content. Except for crafting content that is.
Hz has an excellent crafting system, but that's not enough.
We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on all that, buddy.
Meanwhile I am having fun playing Horizons, and hope you are having fun playing whatever game you are playing now : )
Been playing hmm almost 2 months. I have a lvl 13 war/10 cleric (I restarted my biped as a Dark Elf leaving my level 15 hafl giant in the wings) Plus I just started a Dragon last night (my second, first dragon got to level 8 but I decided he didn't look kewl enough) which looks WILD
So I am very new at the game and I do enjoy it.
I have a LONG way to go before I grind out even 100 adventuring classes, let alone 400. How long did that take exactly? You seem very objective so Id like to know from someone not just bashing for bashings sake. When was the last time you played regularly? Just wondering if the game I'm playing today with everything fixed (so it seems to me from reading all the angry posts from release to a year and a half later) I know everything isn't perfect but you know what I mean. Since the last month or 2. I enjoy exploring and the environments in Horizons are amazingly lush and detailed. And yes the crafting is bar none the best in any game I ever tried.
Just looking forward to learning more about the housing and all that as I am still a n00b. I seem to have found a lot of quests, are the high levels devoid of quests or did they add all the new quests after you had left already? Also what game are you playing now? I found WoW boring at the high levels, also just got sick of riding freaking gryphons for 20 minutes out of every 2 hours (and that's being generous).
So far I find the game to be great but I know I'm only in the first 5-10% of the game and btw I'm not trying to con anyone as you said in your previous post. I can only report my own experiences and I haven't exaggerated anything. I find it funny that I haven't crashed once yet in Horizons a game that gets flamed like a pressboard log whereas WoW and EQ2 I crashed at least once a day. That was the whole point of this thread.
Amen !
I love a bit of discussion, but after it all, it's nice to know everyone can go to the game they enjoy and play it and have fun
Having so much variety on the market is great, everyone gets to find a game they like 
If WoW had a crafting system similar to HZ, I'd switch over in an instant. It was a real kick in the teeth when I found out, by watching a buddy of mine play WoW, that it's crafting system just wasn't up to snuff. If they ever do implement a more complex system, I'd have to really look hard at that game. I guess I could tolerate the B-net kiddies. Maybe.
I completely agree that a lack of Elder Game content is a big problem with HZ. The Devs know it too, and it's on their to-do list, right up around the top. Looking forward to seeing what they have planned, too.
Ok. (warning, rather long)
I started playing HZ in mid Jan '04 right through to Dec. I retired as a lvl 75 Ranger/60 Healer, with some lvls in Mage and others classes. I also dropped 20 lvls from scout 16 from druid. I reached 75 plus in several craft schools, spellcrafter, armorsmith, jeweller, 20 plus in many construction schools with the intent of buying a plot and building myself a palace. I had a full set of teched cobalt in the vault rdy to wear, white and blue dyed, and a full set of platinum health jewellery, teched, rdy to use as I hit the right lvl, if I recall correctly.
I spent HOURS grinding through resources, making and destroying gems and metals by the ton, just to be the right lvl to make all those items.
Then I went out to hunt and level, and discovered the, then new, spawn system designed to cut down on network bandwidth costs. Finding enough creatures to chain kill became a major issue, ALL my previous hunting spots (post merge) were now devoid of mobs.
Up to July last year the game was great. A new event each month, new items in the game, I had prestige quests to help level, and stave off boredom, and a number of quests such as those from the West Deadlands. Then they announced the server merge, and merge patch.
At first EU players were NOT merged but we did suffer the patch, then we WERE merged much later. This meant that we were screwed around on buying plots for twice as long as the US players. They DID improve the world through the patch, with ALL the higher level resources and mobs, however they also ruined many areas, lesser Aradoth being the most prominent, glad they fixed it now, but it shows a huge U-turn from the dev team.
As for content, well never was much but I did HAVE quests, albeit kill X. With the merge patch they were removed, and ALL my other quests were now broken. That left the trophy quests, which meant needing to kill more of the same mob than kill X for drops, AND due to the drastic spawn rate MOST of the mobs I needed to find, were far too scarce.
What else could I do as an adventurer? nothing really. I love exploring but had explored the world twice. Once you've seen ONE snowscape you've seen them all in HZ, and there was usually nothing there to see anyway, no hidden NPC with a quest to do, no chest to loot, of object to pick up like a scroll, with a quest. Grinding out XP on mobs night after night lost it's appeal, even the challenge of the WA.
So, crafting? Well as I pointed out, at the time I HAD ground out roughly 400 levels in craft, with a purpose, to have all that teched gear. Without the crafting I'd have quit much sooner. But after cobalt, getting mithril forms was a potential headache I didn't want. Not to mention the hours needed to grind out more empty levels just to get to the useful ones.
That left plot building. Two major issues here. One, the merge patch for EU player left a sour taste in my mouth. It was a long, long time after August before we could even buy plots, by which time I was just getting fed up with it. Second, racial structures. I played an elf Ranger. I wanted to build elven structures on my plot, like those in Feladan. I think human structures are bland, dwarven to crude, and saris not my style.
I played HZ during it's heyday, but watched it haemmorrage players at an alarming rate. My first guild dwindled from 40 (5-10 online at once) to 2, up to August. My second 50 (7-12 online) to 3 by dec. I read ALL the goodbye posts on the old tazoon, and new community site, including many senior players I had not met. HZ had it's chance to firmly carve a niche in the market before the heavy weights began to arrive. When EQ2 came out players left in droves, then WoW, in the US, from what I read, but EU were not affected until early this year.
I have continued to follow the patch news for HZ but do not see a reason to return. LOADS of stuff for crafters, as always, plenty of stuff for dragons, next to nothing for my lvl 75 Ranger. But even if I played a dragon I would have quit. They claimed the AroP and Lairs would in around christmas, which would have kept me playing a dragon if I had one. But they are STILL not fully in the game now. Lots of quests have been added, I read, but they all seem to be low level, nothing at lvl 75 plus (please correct me if I'm wrong, I might have missed something)
And as for; "Play a biped to mutliclass, and craft, play a dragon to quest" Right?
That may be the only way to truly play HZ, but that was NOT what was advertised, nor promised. I quit Everquest to play HZ, to be able solo with and grow my ranger, to play a REAL ranged class, and be part of this exciting new dynamic world where players actually CHANGED the environment around them. In the early days we DID change the world, releasing new classes was a work of genoius, taking part in those crafting or adventure events were excellent. Knowing that I played in a world where once Feladan was a blighted area, but was now cleansed, knowing that we might one day conquer the western blight and cleanse it, colonise it. Taking part in events to open up portals to new areas, islands, continents, that was what excited me. I wanted quests where I could craft armor or weapons for the war effort, make a real difference, and what happened to visible cloaks? the ability to make items from a huge range of skins, so that they looked unique, personal, (dyed cobalt chain looks the same as dyed copper).
In the end HZ was 99% grind, whether craft or adventure. Almost everyone who continues to defend the game plays either a dragon, in which case they are waitng for lairs and ARoP, or play a crafter and enjoy working on their plot. I was never into playing a dragon, and if I wanted to build stuff I'd play Sim City. HZ is supposed to be an MMORPG, not a FLMCDG (Fairly Large Multiplayer Crafting and Dragon Game)
Right now I play WoW. The limit on 2 craft schools means being in a guild is helpful, and the ecomony is healthy. Crafting may be simpler, but it's also far less of a grind. Most crafts DO require the gathering of resources, not the "need to loot" as someone claimed. However, I did not pick WoW to craft, crafting should ADD to the game not dominate it. In HZ the devs REFUSED for a long time to add dropped loot, because they didn't want to affect the crafters. In WoW there are great drops, AND great crafted items. There are quests for recipes, and drops for them, making them rare, more sort after. And some recipes require good rep with certain faction, giving something to focus on.
Sure, no player housing, plots, but as I said, I'd play Sim City, if I wanted to be a crafter.
As for content. Well. I went from 1-60 across a few months of casual play, mostly solo, mostly getting XP through quests. I play a hunter, ranged class with LOADS of special abilites, and a pet. There are numerous stragegies involved in fighting depending on the type of mob I am fighting, caster/melee, demon/beast. Not just hit the attack key. I started as a leather worker and crafted all my gear as I levelled. Later when I got mail, I switched to alchemy to make potions to buff myself.
So, now I am level 60. Now what? Well in HZ, to get to 75 was MOSTLY a grind, repetatively killing the same mobs over and over and over again. Same thing with my other adventure levels. Had I got to level 100, then what? Grind another 100 levels or so in another class. No thanks. End game content? I was in a good, friendly, lively guild, with players who logged in each. But all we had to keep us occupied was to grind on mobs somewhere, golems, WA, or whatever.
In WoW I am still fresh, since I have not had to grind to reach 60. Is the game over? No. I have mostly GREEN gear right now, so I do intance runs with my guild for BLUE drops to improve my char. That is tier 1 too, there are tier 2 and 3 to get, plus some high levels weapons still to get, including my epic bow. Some people dislike instances, they claim it detracts from the RP aspect, but it's necessary for providing a personalised environment for groups to explore. Instances, dungeons, provide an entirely different challenge to outdorr Pve, something HZ never had.
And then there is PvP. Before peeps start shouting, I play on a PvE server, so no, I don't have ganking, corpse camping, childness to deal with. PvP is voluntary, and whilst not as good as it could be, it still adds something else to do, which HZ sadly lacks.
Finally, 20 mins on a griffon every hour? actually it's about 6 mins max most places. And if you have no need of rested bonus, just log out near to the area you plan to hunt in. You need to go to IF to get an instance group? Perhaps, but with a good guild, no. We have instance groups starting up often in guild chat, you can join or decline depending on your time allowance.
WoW is not perfect, but that's not the point. The point is that HZ was mostly craft/dragons, and grinding. I quit EQ to get away from the grind, not replace it. WoW was never NEVER a grind, and is still not.
Having read about my play style now any current HZ is welcome to sell me the game again, and why I should go back.
I don't know how to say this without sounding like I am flaming, but please believe me, I am not flaming here.
You put a lot of time into Horizons and probably got a lot of enjoyment out of the game in addition to the frustrations you felt with it. I don't see how or why you would have put spent so much time with Horizons if it wasn't giving you some enjoyment, when you could have played EQ or DAoC or other games that are out there.
Then you moved to a new game. You will probably get through all that game has to offer as well, and find some frustrations that will eventually outweigh your enjoyment, and then move to another one yet, or stop playing mmorpg's altogether.
Are you saying that another player does not have hours of enjoyment ahead of them if they try Horizons, just as you had when you played it? And the hours of frustration as well; but that comes with any game.
It is like a divorced parent telling their children they should not get married -- just kind of odd.
Subscription mmorpgs live in the horns of a dilemma: they want long term revenue from subscribers, but can offer only a limited amount of content. All games release so far fo through the same cycle (if you look at Sir Bruce's charts): initial population growth, leveling off, and then decline. There will always be that newer game coming along, and this will always be so, at least for the foreseeable future.
Just my opinion.
Well that was a long post but worth the read. Seems like you and I are very similar in that you just left HZ for WoW and I just left WoW for HZ.
Just a couple things, first in WoW it may be called gathering but essentially you "loot" a plant or mining spot after a succesful gather which was what ungrimarol was pointing out. Also, 6 minutes might be one trip on a dragon but lets take the trip from Ironforge to say Felwood.
First you hop on the first gryphon which takes you to menethil, thats about a 5 minute ride. then you hop off the gryphon and run to the boat to auberdine which can take from 1-10 minutes depending if you just missed it or not. Then you get off the boat in auberdine and hop a gryphon to felwood, which is another 5-8 minutes. So your trip to Felwood from Ironforge takes minimum 15 minutes and can take up to 20 if you miss a boat. I'm sorry it just got annoying by the end.
WoW is a magical amazing game chock full of goodness, but I grew to loathe it by level 55 which is where my Warrior stopped. We had a great guild which my gf still runs and I would never put the game down. I appreciate that you got to the high end in Horizons and also became bored. See, we both did just in 2 different games hehe. Now I'll start Horizons and get to the end but I have at least a good year ahead of me for that. You are at level 60 now I assume? My gf won't ever get bored of WoW I can tell hehe but can you play level 60 forever? Maybe you can and maybe you can't.
But the point of my original post was ONLY that WoW and EQ2 made me crash constantly and Horizons I have STILL not crashed. Last night I re-rolled a dragon again and finally got him to look just right. The Dragon tutorial area let me just say has AMAZING graphics which are better than WoW and give EQ2 a lesson in what not to waste memory on. I made a bunch of screenshots (I have a radeon X800 card) and they are simply dazzling and equally good as ANY game out there right now. I will find a host for them very soon so I can post them here.
Anyways thanks for the post, it's nice to hear from someone who played Horizons in its heyday and isn't completely jaded.
I just started Horizons really and am loving it. I'll find out more in the future to be sure about what it lacks and does not. Enjoy WoW, it really is a special game which I enjoyed for a long time. I don't know what they have added since you left so I can't sell you on why to return to Horizons. All I can say is for people who haven't tried it, try the free trial. No matter what, you will be suprised.
oh god
Please if you are going to make such broad BS statements at least have the technical expertise to back up what you say.
As far as crashes and what not ummm
That has never been a complaint of WoW, EQ2 and FFXI. I question the credibilty of such claims because well I know its a load of BS. It is however a documented fact of horizons though now yes the client is more stable. It should be as well given the fact there is no real content and feature system to stress neither the server nor your client to its bursting point. If the game was still crashing even now Tulga I would say is beyond hope. To their credit it is not.
If you want to promote the game than do so with a troller that is worse than any ranter I have ever seen.
The BS factor of this thread is very very very high.
To add to it here is my bit
the state of the MMORPG industry and its offerings HZ included is very sad indeed. Nothing new nothing imaginative has been introduced since UO and EQ. Its not one clone of EQ or UO after another. All HZ did was add construction code and a rather mild bleak ability to change the landscape ( which hasent really happened since 6 months into the game). That wasn't the dynamic game that Bowman preached horizons to be in his umm more colorful bullcrap days. Regardless HZ will offer something to a very small niche crowd. It will continue to exist on a 10K to 20K playerbase. It certainly will never be the premier title that bowman believes it will be because they are not willing to do what it takes to fix the game. Well mainly because they can't and do not have the resources to do so ( the client is NOT being rewritten).
Anyway WoW EQ2 HZ whatever its the same old bland stuff which are all in the end an attempt to copy the success of the eq diku mud clone.
I'm still waiting for a next gen or 2nd generation MMO game. Hasen't happened yet and I doubt it ever will.
What the hell do you think is B.S. about my post?? I haven't exaggerated anything and am quite fair about my experiences. You say crashes aren't a complaint about WoW EQ2 or FFXI? I never mentioned FFXI (I'm playing it also right now) and I have no idea how other peoples experiences have gone, only mine. I don't need technical expertise to know that EQ2 and WoW both crashed constantly for me, I LIVED IT.
I have no idea where "oh god" comes from with the rationale of my post. I make a statement of my own experiences and It gets called B.S.
Well I can't stop you from saying the freaking sky is red either but I stand by everything I said. I am telling the truth and if you think I am lying then you are sorely mistaken and wasting energies that could be put to good use elsewhere. I just don't know where your post even came from.
Please re-read my post and let go your cynicism. I took the time to be objective and write my own personal experiences. If they do not jibe with yours then maybe it's a learning experience for you as different people have different experiences and it's a big universe. You come in here out of the blue and call my post B.S. well it's NOT B.S., it's what happened to me. Ugh. Your experience may be all you know, but open your mind and accept that other people have an entirely different life and outlook than you.
Thanks for trolling my post which was only praising the game I love. Sounds like you don't like any game. Hope you find one that makes you happy and not jaded and bitter.
EDIT: Spelling and...Also, it's not like I went into the WoW, EQ2 or even general forums and posted this; it's in the Horizons section. Anywho here's a wow crash I still had on my desktop in notepad format from when I was still playing (I'm still paying for a WoW account btw...my gf's
) here it is I deleted my personal info but maybe your a wizard and can decipher it. I get that crash on EQ2, WoW and America's Army if I crank the settings....and once in a blue moon even if its on low. But anyway, maybe you can make some sense of it, Blizzard couldn't nor could SoE when I sent them the EQ2 version.
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World of WarCraft (build 4449)
Exe: C:Program FilesWorld of WarcraftWoW.exe
Time: Jun 25, 2005 8:11:50.046 PM
User:
Computer:
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This application has encountered a critical error:
ERROR #132 (0x85100084)
Program: C:Program FilesWorld of WarcraftWoW.exe
Exception: 0xC0000005 (ACCESS_VIOLATION) at 001B:0064EBD7
The instruction at "0x0064EBD7" referenced memory at "0x4CF1DADF".
The memory could not be "written".
WoWBuild: 4449
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x86 Registers
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EAX=4CF1DADF EBX=26CB2C60 ECX=26CB2C38 EDX=2626ACF7 ESI=26CB2DC0
EDI=00A480AC EBP=0012FB58 ESP=0012FB34 EIP=0064EBD7 FLG=00210202
CS =001B DS =0023 ES =0023 SS =0023 FS =003B GS =0000
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Stack Trace (Manual)
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Address Frame Logical addr Module
0064EBD7 0012FB58 0001:0024DBD7 C:Program FilesWorld of WarcraftWoW.exe
0067C000 0012FBA0 0001:0027B000 C:Program FilesWorld of WarcraftWoW.exe
0068C7B4 0012FBB4 0001:0028B7B4 C:Program FilesWorld of WarcraftWoW.exe
0066A9CC 0012FBE4 0001:002699CC C:Program FilesWorld of WarcraftWoW.exe
0066A7F9 0012FC00 0001:002697F9 C:Program FilesWorld of WarcraftWoW.exe
00647589 0012FC10 0001:00246589 C:Program FilesWorld of WarcraftWoW.exe
00479250 0012FCC4 0001:00078250 C:Program FilesWorld of WarcraftWoW.exe
00478E03 0012FD50 0001:00077E03 C:Program FilesWorld of WarcraftWoW.exe
00716BA1 0012FD6C 0001:00315BA1 C:Program FilesWorld of WarcraftWoW.exe
0070D5F7 0012FD90 0001:0030C5F7 C:Program FilesWorld of WarcraftWoW.exe
0070C21C 0012FD9C 0001:0030B21C C:Program FilesWorld of WarcraftWoW.exe
0043801E 0012FE64 0001:0003701E C:Program FilesWorld of WarcraftWoW.exe
004161C0 0012FE98 0001:000151C0 C:Program FilesWorld of WarcraftWoW.exe
00412B7F 0012FF08 0001:00011B7F C:Program FilesWorld of WarcraftWoW.exe
00412701 0012FF20 0001:00011701 C:Program FilesWorld of WarcraftWoW.exe
00404030 0012FFC0 0001:00003030 C:Program FilesWorld of WarcraftWoW.exe
7C816D4F 0012FFF0 0001:00015D4F C:WINDOWSsystem32kernel32.dll
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Stack Trace (Using DBGHELP.DLL)
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0064EBD7 WoW.exe <unknown symbol>+0 (0x1F6E06B0,0x1C02C728,0x2E98847C,0xC61D4AAA)
0067C000 WoW.exe <unknown symbol>+0 (0x0000001E,0x1F6E06B0,0x00000030,0x0012FBE4)
0068C7B4 WoW.exe <unknown symbol>+0 (0x00000001,0x00000000,0x00000001,0x16320008)
0066A9CC WoW.exe <unknown symbol>+0 (0x16320008,0x10420008,0x16320008,0x000000AE)
0066A7F9 WoW.exe <unknown symbol>+0 (0x0012FCA8,0x0012FC28,0x0012FCC4,0x00479250)
00647589 WoW.exe <unknown symbol>+0 (0xC51C1DB2,0x10498214,0x10420008,0x1067C228)
00479250 WoW.exe <unknown symbol>+0 (0x00000000,0x3F800000,0x00000000,0x00000000)
00478E03 WoW.exe <unknown symbol>+0 (0x00000000,0x10498208,0x10498214,0x10498214)
00716BA1 WoW.exe <unknown symbol>+0 (0x0AB22188,0x097D8008,0x1101B808,0x00000000)
0070D5F7 WoW.exe <unknown symbol>+0 (0x1101B820,0x0012FE64,0x0043801E,0x1101B820)
0070C21C WoW.exe <unknown symbol>+0 (0x1101B820,0x3C75C290,0x0012FE78,0x0AAEC868)
0043801E WoW.exe <unknown symbol>+0 (0x0AAEC418,0x0AAEC408,0x00000000,0x0AAEC868)
004161C0 WoW.exe <unknown symbol>+0 (0x00000000,0x00000102,0x0AAEC408,0x00000000)
00412B7F WoW.exe <unknown symbol>+0 (0x00000000,0x00402394,0x00000001,0x00000001)
00412701 WoW.exe <unknown symbol>+0 (0x00409504,0x00400000,0x00000000,0x001423AD)
00404030 WoW.exe <unknown symbol>+0 (0x00320034,0x00350031,0x7FFDF000,0x8054A938)
7C816D4F kernel32.dll RegisterWaitForInputIdle+73 (0x00401000,0x00000000,0x78746341,0x00000020)
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Loaded Modules
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0x00320000 - 0x003B0000 C:Program FilesWorld of Warcraftfmod.dll
0x00400000 - 0x00ACD000 C:Program FilesWorld of WarcraftWoW.exe
0x10000000 - 0x10069000 C:Program FilesWorld of WarcraftDivxDecoder.dll
0x310A0000 - 0x31171000 C:Program FilesWorld of Warcraftdbghelp.dll
0x4FDD0000 - 0x4FF76000 C:WINDOWSsystem32d3d9.dll
0x5AD70000 - 0x5ADA8000 C:WINDOWSsystem32uxtheme.dll
0x5B0A0000 - 0x5B0A7000 C:WINDOWSsystem32umdmxfrm.dll
0x5B860000 - 0x5B8B4000 C:WINDOWSsystem32NETAPI32.dll
0x5CD70000 - 0x5CD77000 C:WINDOWSsystem32serwvdrv.dll
0x5D090000 - 0x5D127000 C:WINDOWSsystem32COMCTL32.dll
0x5ED00000 - 0x5EDCC000 C:WINDOWSsystem32OPENGL32.dll
0x662B0000 - 0x66308000 C:WINDOWSsystem32hnetcfg.dll
0x68B20000 - 0x68B40000 C:WINDOWSsystem32GLU32.dll
0x6D990000 - 0x6D996000 C:WINDOWSsystem32d3d8thk.dll
0x71A50000 - 0x71A8F000 C:WINDOWSsystem32mswsock.dll
0x71A90000 - 0x71A98000 C:WINDOWSSystem32wshtcpip.dll
0x71AA0000 - 0x71AA8000 C:WINDOWSsystem32WS2HELP.dll
0x71AB0000 - 0x71AC7000 C:WINDOWSsystem32WS2_32.dll
0x71AD0000 - 0x71AD9000 C:WINDOWSsystem32WSOCK32.dll
0x71BF0000 - 0x71C03000 C:WINDOWSsystem32SAMLIB.dll
0x722B0000 - 0x722B5000 C:WINDOWSsystem32sensapi.dll
0x72D10000 - 0x72D18000 C:WINDOWSsystem32msacm32.drv
0x72D20000 - 0x72D29000 C:WINDOWSsystem32wdmaud.drv
0x73760000 - 0x737A9000 C:WINDOWSsystem32DDRAW.dll
0x73BC0000 - 0x73BC6000 C:WINDOWSsystem32DCIMAN32.dll
0x73EE0000 - 0x73EE4000 C:WINDOWSsystem32KsUser.dll
0x73F10000 - 0x73F6C000 C:WINDOWSsystem32dsound.dll
0x76390000 - 0x763AD000 C:WINDOWSsystem32IMM32.dll
0x769C0000 - 0x76A73000 C:WINDOWSsystem32USERENV.dll
0x76B40000 - 0x76B6D000 C:WINDOWSsystem32WINMM.dll
0x76C30000 - 0x76C5E000 C:WINDOWSsystem32WINTRUST.dll
0x76C90000 - 0x76CB8000 C:WINDOWSsystem32IMAGEHLP.dll
0x76D60000 - 0x76D79000 C:WINDOWSsystem32iphlpapi.dll
0x76E80000 - 0x76E8E000 C:WINDOWSsystem32
tutils.dll
0x76E90000 - 0x76EA2000 C:WINDOWSsystem32
asman.dll
0x76EB0000 - 0x76EDF000 C:WINDOWSsystem32TAPI32.dll
0x76EE0000 - 0x76F1C000 C:WINDOWSsystem32RASAPI32.DLL
0x76F20000 - 0x76F47000 C:WINDOWSsystem32DNSAPI.dll
0x76F60000 - 0x76F8C000 C:WINDOWSsystem32WLDAP32.dll
0x76FB0000 - 0x76FB8000 C:WINDOWSSystem32winrnr.dll
0x76FC0000 - 0x76FC6000 C:WINDOWSsystem32
asadhlp.dll
0x77120000 - 0x771AC000 C:WINDOWSsystem32OLEAUT32.dll
0x771B0000 - 0x77256000 C:WINDOWSsystem32WININET.dll
0x77260000 - 0x772FE000 C:WINDOWSsystem32urlmon.dll
0x773D0000 - 0x774D2000 C:WINDOWSWinSxSx86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9comctl32.dll
0x774E0000 - 0x7761D000 C:WINDOWSsystem32ole32.dll
0x77690000 - 0x776B1000 C:WINDOWSsystem32NTMARTA.DLL
0x77A80000 - 0x77B14000 C:WINDOWSsystem32CRYPT32.dll
0x77B20000 - 0x77B32000 C:WINDOWSsystem32MSASN1.dll
0x77BD0000 - 0x77BD7000 C:WINDOWSsystem32midimap.dll
0x77BE0000 - 0x77BF5000 C:WINDOWSsystem32MSACM32.dll
0x77C00000 - 0x77C08000 C:WINDOWSsystem32VERSION.dll
0x77C10000 - 0x77C68000 C:WINDOWSsystem32MSVCRT.dll
0x77C70000 - 0x77C93000 C:WINDOWSsystem32msv1_0.dll
0x77D40000 - 0x77DD0000 C:WINDOWSsystem32USER32.dll
0x77DD0000 - 0x77E6B000 C:WINDOWSsystem32ADVAPI32.dll
0x77E70000 - 0x77F01000 C:WINDOWSsystem32RPCRT4.dll
0x77F10000 - 0x77F56000 C:WINDOWSsystem32GDI32.dll
0x77F60000 - 0x77FD6000 C:WINDOWSsystem32SHLWAPI.dll
0x77FE0000 - 0x77FF1000 C:WINDOWSsystem32Secur32.dll
0x7C800000 - 0x7C8F4000 C:WINDOWSsystem32kernel32.dll
0x7C900000 - 0x7C9B0000 C:WINDOWSsystem32
tdll.dll
0x7C9C0000 - 0x7D1D4000 C:WINDOWSsystem32SHELL32.dll
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Memory Dump
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Code: 16 bytes starting at (EIP = 0064EBD7)
0064EBD7: 89 08 8B 16 8B 46 04 89 42 04 C7 06 00 00 00 00 .....F..B.......
Stack: 1024 bytes starting at (ESP = 0012FB34)
* = addr ** *
0012FB30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 28 C7 02 1C 10 83 98 2E ........(.......
0012FB40: 88 1A 1D C6 12 A2 A9 C2 F9 44 81 41 A9 32 4D 3F .........D.A.2M?
0012FB50: 03 00 00 00 09 FF 5A 40 A0 FB 12 00 00 C0 67 00 ......Z@......g.
0012FB60: B0 06 6E 1F 28 C7 02 1C 7C 84 98 2E AA 4A 1D C6 ..n.(...|....J..
0012FB70: 00 55 85 C2 FB D9 A9 41 54 C5 1C C6 00 56 05 C2 .U.....AT....V..
0012FB80: FB D9 A9 41 D7 FB 12 00 C8 FB 12 00 FB D9 29 42 ...A..........)B
0012FB90: AA 4A 1D C6 00 55 85 C2 85 61 7F 41 40 C8 02 1C .J...U...a.A@...
0012FBA0: B4 FB 12 00 B4 C7 68 00 1E 00 00 00 B0 06 6E 1F ......h.......n.
0012FBB0: 30 00 00 00 E4 FB 12 00 CC A9 66 00 01 00 00 00 0.........f.....
0012FBC0: 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 08 00 32 16 8A 95 5A 00 ..........2...Z.
0012FBD0: 00 0D 00 00 34 00 00 00 21 00 00 00 80 2A AA 10 ....4...!....*..
0012FBE0: 01 00 00 00 00 FC 12 00 F9 A7 66 00 08 00 32 16 ..........f...2.
0012FBF0: 08 00 42 10 08 00 32 16 AE 00 00 00 00 C0 3F 44 ..B...2.......?D
0012FC00: 10 FC 12 00 89 75 64 00 A8 FC 12 00 28 FC 12 00 .....ud.....(...
0012FC10: C4 FC 12 00 50 92 47 00 B2 1D 1C C5 14 82 49 10 ....P.G.......I.
0012FC20: 08 00 42 10 28 C2 67 10 77 47 1A C6 83 66 3B 43 ..B.(.g.wG...f;C
0012FC30: 2B 89 AD 41 D0 44 E7 4F 24 00 00 00 44 00 00 00 +..A.D.O$...D...
0012FC40: D0 FC 12 00 A0 77 16 00 64 FC 12 00 C5 2A E5 4F .....w..d....*.O
0012FC50: 02 00 00 00 D0 FC 12 00 A0 77 16 00 A4 77 16 00 .........w...w..
0012FC60: 00 00 00 00 9C FC 12 00 89 2B E5 4F A0 77 16 00 .........+.O.w..
0012FC70: 02 00 00 00 62 59 1A C6 DE 72 3C 43 63 86 88 41 ....bY...r<Cc..A
0012FC80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 EC 1F 3F 05 E7 47 3F ...........?..G?
0012FC90: 62 59 1A C6 DE 72 3C 43 63 86 88 41 62 59 1A C6 bY...r<Cc..AbY..
0012FCA0: DE 72 3C 43 BC 41 A7 41 1D 44 1A C6 54 34 3B 43 .r<C.A.A.D..T4;C
0012FCB0: 39 9D B1 41 00 00 00 00 90 C2 75 3C 01 00 00 00 9..A......u<....
0012FCC0: 00 00 00 00 50 FD 12 00 03 8E 47 00 00 00 00 00 ....P.....G.....
0012FCD0: 00 00 80 3F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ...?............
0012FCE0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 3F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 .......?........
0012FCF0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 3F 00 00 00 00 ...........?....
0012FD00: 05 E7 C7 BE 04 EC 9F BE 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 3F ...............?
0012FD10: 84 EB 23 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ..#@............
0012FD20: 00 00 00 00 64 E6 4C 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ....d.L@........
0012FD30: 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 80 6F 12 03 BB 00 00 00 00 ........o.......
0012FD40: 04 EC 9F B9 04 EC 9F 39 00 00 00 80 00 00 80 3F .......9.......?
0012FD50: 6C FD 12 00 A1 6B 71 00 00 00 00 00 08 82 49 10 l....kq.......I.
0012FD60: 14 82 49 10 14 82 49 10 90 FD 12 00 90 FD 12 00 ..I...I.........
0012FD70: F7 D5 70 00 88 21 B2 0A 08 80 7D 09 08 B8 01 11 ..p..!....}.....
0012FD80: 00 00 00 00 C8 86 69 10 09 00 00 00 DC 8C 7D 09 ......i.......}.
0012FD90: 9C FD 12 00 1C C2 70 00 20 B8 01 11 64 FE 12 00 ......p. ...d...
0012FDA0: 1E 80 43 00 20 B8 01 11 90 C2 75 3C 78 FE 12 00 ..C. .....u<x...
0012FDB0: 68 C8 AE 0A 68 C8 AE 0A 00 00 00 00 F2 43 79 BF h...h........Cy.
0012FDC0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 3F 00 00 00 00 2C FE 12 00 .......?....,...
0012FDD0: B5 DB 32 00 58 86 55 01 1D 24 33 00 98 D0 5B 0D ..2.X.U..$3...[.
0012FDE0: E3 DC 32 00 98 D0 5B 0D 40 00 00 00 DE 72 3C C3 ..2...[.@....r<.
0012FDF0: BC 41 A7 41 62 59 1A C6 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 .A.AbY..........
0012FE00: 00 00 00 00 1B 55 69 BE 00 00 00 00 F2 43 79 BF .....Ui......Cy.
0012FE10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 3F 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 3F .......?.......?
0012FE20: 00 00 80 40 00 00 80 3F 68 FE 12 00 50 FE 12 00 ...@...?h...P...
0012FE30: 50 FE 12 00 9F 60 73 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 P....`s.........
0012FE40: 00 00 80 3F 00 00 80 3F 00 00 80 3F 00 00 00 00 ...?...?...?....
0012FE50: 00 00 80 3F 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 3F 00 00 00 00 ...?.......?....
0012FE60: C8 44 5F 0F 98 FE 12 00 C0 61 41 00 18 C4 AE 0A .D_......aA.....
0012FE70: 08 C4 AE 0A 00 00 00 00 68 C8 AE 0A 35 C5 AE 0A ........h...5...
0012FE80: 05 00 00 00 A0 C4 AE 0A AC FE 12 00 01 00 00 00 ................
0012FE90: 11 00 00 00 30 C5 AE 0A 08 FF 12 00 7F 2B 41 00 ....0........+A.
0012FEA0: 00 00 00 00 02 01 00 00 08 C4 AE 0A 00 00 00 00 ................
0012FEB0: 7F 28 41 00 34 00 32 00 AD 23 14 00 00 00 00 00 .(A.4.2..#......
0012FEC0: 45 6E 67 69 6E 65 20 64 30 00 00 00 18 00 00 00 Engine d0.......
0012FED0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 14 00 65 6E 00 00 D8 FB A1 00 ........en......
0012FEE0: B0 FF 12 00 18 EE 90 7C 55 53 00 7C FF FF FF FF .......|US.|....
0012FEF0: EB 06 91 7C 7C E5 90 7C 38 9C 80 7C 90 20 00 00 ...||..|8..|. ..
0012FF00: 87 95 5A 00 00 00 00 00 20 FF 12 00 01 27 41 00 ..Z..... ....'A.
0012FF10: 00 00 00 00 94 23 40 00 01 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 .....#@.........
0012FF20: C0 FF 12 00 30 40 40 00 04 95 40 00 00 00 40 00 ....0@@...@...@.
0012FF30: 00 00 00 00 AD 23 14 00 01 00 00 00 34 00 32 00 .....#......4.2.
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Hardware/Driver Information:
Processor: 0x0
Page Size: 4096
Min App Address: 0x10000
Max App Address: 0x7ffeffff
Processor Mask: 0x1
Number of Processors: 1
Processor Type: 586
Allocation Granularity: 65536
Processor Level: 6
Processor Revision: 2560
Percent memory used: 87
Total physical memory: 1073201152
Free Memory: 133181440
Page file: -1709133824
Total virtual memory: 2147352576
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