battle of the bards

drendok · July 2005

The EQ1 bard was great. It allowed you to twist multiple songs at once, which was great for soloing. Charm kiting and Fear kiting, ohhh those were good times. And the concept of instruments being able to amplify your song effects was just so cool.

I wanna play a new mmorpg, and I'm sorta lookin for a bard class that would let me do as much as I could when I was playing EQ1.

I'm thinking about playing DAoC or EQ2, but there could be better bards elsewhere! Lemme know ::::01::

Which bard do you think is best? And why? What're the differences between them?

Scorpes · July 2005

Think FFXI also has a bard class, but been awhile since i played.

Elnator · July 2005

I'd say the EQ1 Bard and the DAOC bards are about equal in quality. The question is:
Do you want just PVE or do you want to be able to go and PVP as well. Both games have good PVE content but DAOC has among the best PVP in the industry.

My vote goes to DAOC for a bard since you can PVE or PVP. In EQ you can't PVP except on the highly unbalanced and unrewarding PVP servers.

Hyoukan · July 2005

I'm going for RO's bard cause of the long songs they play, and how many differnt songs they play.

ChrisMattern · July 2005

Originally posted by Scorpes
Think FFXI also has a bard class, but been awhile since i played.

Yes, they do, and it's a fairly highly regarded buff/debuff/support class. No idea how it compares to bards in other MMORPG as the only other one I've played is WoW.

Chris Mattern

Kem0sabe · July 2005

I dunno how people can vote for the eq2 bards, its like SOE took the EQ1 bards and beat them with the big ugly stick.

No instruments and an overall useless class compared to the old eq1 bard.

PsyX · July 2005

Ultima Online's bards > all (or they did)

Nothing like pissing of a dragon to attack someone else

Or make that bad ogre lord stand still and take a beating

Jenuviel · July 2005

For the musical aspect, Musicians in SWG are a lot of fun to play. There's no combat aspect to the songs at all, but they can buff a couple of important stats and heal fatigue. It's not really what you're looking for, I think, but it's pretty darned fun getting together with a group of musicians who are playing different instruments and just having a jam session. Between regular flourishes, band flourishes, the ability to quickly change songs, and the vastly different sounds of the different instruments, you can come up with a lot of variety.

shae · July 2005

Originally posted by Jenuviel

For the musical aspect, Musicians in SWG are a lot of fun to play. There's no combat aspect to the songs at all, but they can buff a couple of important stats and heal fatigue. It's not really what you're looking for, I think, but it's pretty darned fun getting together with a group of musicians who are playing different instruments and just having a jam session. Between regular flourishes, band flourishes, the ability to quickly change songs, and the vastly different sounds of the different instruments, you can come up with a lot of variety.

I was under the impression that since the CU Entertainers are pretty much uselesss ? Mostly because there is no more battle fatigue, so dancers or musicians can't obviously heal was it not there and since the stat system has changed, the buffs are completely useless also. I don't know though, this is just from talking to friends that still play the game.

As for bards, having a few friends that played EQ1 and are now playing dirges or Troub's in EQ2, the overall feeling is that the class has changed completely (which of course is fine as most of the classes have changed from EQ1 days). But where as in EQ1 being a Bard had almost it's own style of play, in EQ2 your just a different version of a scout which concentrates on buffs and HO's. So if your looking for a true "Bard" to play, I would say it's possible EQ2 isn't for you.

Scaris · July 2005

Originally posted by drendok
The EQ1 bard was great. It allowed you to twist multiple songs at once, which was great for soloing. Charm kiting and Fear kiting, ohhh those were good times. And the concept of instruments being able to amplify your song effects was just so cool. I wanna play a new mmorpg, and I'm sorta lookin for a bard class that would let me do as much as I could when I was playing EQ1. I'm thinking about playing DAoC or EQ2, but there could be better bards elsewhere! Lemme know Which bard do you think is best? And why? What're the differences between them?

I hated EQ 1 bards. Not as a class but because of the song weaving (the more modern day term is twisting). It was completely unrealistic and took away and feel that the bard was being musical. I was upset when the DAoC Bard took on similar traits as well.

Scaris · July 2005

Originally posted by shae
Originally posted by Jenuviel
For the musical aspect, Musicians in SWG are a lot of fun to play. There's no combat aspect to the songs at all, but they can buff a couple of important stats and heal fatigue. It's not really what you're looking for, I think, but it's pretty darned fun getting together with a group of musicians who are playing different instruments and just having a jam session. Between regular flourishes, band flourishes, the ability to quickly change songs, and the vastly different sounds of the different instruments, you can come up with a lot of variety.
I was under the impression that since the CU Entertainers are pretty much uselesss ? Mostly because there is no more battle fatigue, so dancers or musicians can't obviously heal was it not there and since the stat system has changed, the buffs are completely useless also. I don't know though, this is just from talking to friends that still play the game.
As for bards, having a few friends that played EQ1 and are now playing dirges or Troub's in EQ2, the overall feeling is that the class has changed completely (which of course is fine as most of the classes have changed from EQ1 days). But where as in EQ1 being a Bard had almost it's own style of play, in EQ2 your just a different version of a scout which concentrates on buffs and HO's. So if your looking for a true "Bard" to play, I would say it's possible EQ2 isn't for you.

Not completely useless. They now give a buff that gives a small experience bonus which is nice but isn't making the masses scream in demand for more entertainers either. Entertainers have been pretty well put through the ringer and will probably get phased out in time or just because a dead profession.

Dekoth · July 2005

FFXI bards are not only more useful then EQ bards but much easier on the wrist's as well.

First you will never have trouble finding a group with one, very very high demand. most bards use White mage as their sub which is a smart thing to do which makes them an excellent backup healer/buffer/debuffer. Songs have a set duration so you wont give yourself carpal tunnel trying to twist multiple songs.

The downside of course is that they are an advanced job and require you level at least one job to level 30. The obvious smart class to level to 30 would of course be whm but again this is a drawback for someone just simply wanting to jump in. The whole subjob thing in FFXI is really well done, but it can get semi tedious at times realizing you have to level your sub a bit so your stats remain maxed out.

shae · July 2005

Originally posted by Fadeus

Originally posted by shae

Originally posted by Jenuviel
For the musical aspect, Musicians in SWG are a lot of fun to play. There's no combat aspect to the songs at all, but they can buff a couple of important stats and heal fatigue. It's not really what you're looking for, I think, but it's pretty darned fun getting together with a group of musicians who are playing different instruments and just having a jam session. Between regular flourishes, band flourishes, the ability to quickly change songs, and the vastly different sounds of the different instruments, you can come up with a lot of variety.

I was under the impression that since the CU Entertainers are pretty much uselesss ? Mostly because there is no more battle fatigue, so dancers or musicians can't obviously heal was it not there and since the stat system has changed, the buffs are completely useless also. I don't know though, this is just from talking to friends that still play the game.
As for bards, having a few friends that played EQ1 and are now playing dirges or Troub's in EQ2, the overall feeling is that the class has changed completely (which of course is fine as most of the classes have changed from EQ1 days). But where as in EQ1 being a Bard had almost it's own style of play, in EQ2 your just a different version of a scout which concentrates on buffs and HO's. So if your looking for a true "Bard" to play, I would say it's possible EQ2 isn't for you.

Not completely useless. They now give a buff that gives a small experience bonus which is nice but isn't making the masses scream in demand for more entertainers either. Entertainers have been pretty well put through the ringer and will probably get phased out in time or just because a dead profession.

And this is why I said I wasn't sure but it's good to know Fad, thanks. What a shame though, I remember after having unlocked my jedi (way way way back) and having the eventual boredome hit I turned my main, she was absolutely exhausted from holo grinding

, into a Tailor/Dancer and I had such a great time with her that it took me ages to level my Jedi. It was one of those rare instances of finding a truely social class/profession. What a shame to have it die out.

Scaris · July 2005

Ya, I the entertainer class I felt was an excellent unique addition to the game at the time. Now the game has gone combat centric and is slowly losing that uniqueness however. What used to feel like UO 2 with many of its idea's is now starting to feel like the rest of the mmo market too me. Still love it, don't get me wrong, but its a shame what they are doing too it.

Elnator · July 2005

Actually the entertainer buffs also give a pretty significant boost to success chances for crafters. Not real well known but it is a fact and was in the patch notes at the time the change was made. And the 10% boost to experience is in high demand on Lowca at least. Entertainers never go without a rather large audience. We have 4 or 5 folks who are entertainers in our PA.

drendok · July 2005

Okay, after reading the posts, someone mentioned that RO bards have long, unique songs. Something to look into. Has anyone else ran a Ragnarok bard before?

Someone else said that the DAoC bard followed the same sort of path as the EQ1 bards do... with the twisting and whatnot. That kinda piqued my interest. But how do the DAoC bards differ? Is the Albion bard more toward healing, while the Hibernian minstrel leaning toward offense? I mean.. I've been trying to look up the answers to these questions, but its difficult.

All this time, I thought that EQ2 would only make the EQ1 bards even BETTER! But, I guess not. Good to know ::::19::

Scaris · July 2005

Originally posted by drendok
Okay, after reading the posts, someone mentioned that RO bards have long, unique songs. Something to look into. Has anyone else ran a Ragnarok bard before? Someone else said that the DAoC bard followed the same sort of path as the EQ1 bards do... with the twisting and whatnot. That kinda piqued my interest. But how do the DAoC bards differ? Is the Albion bard more toward healing, while the Hibernian minstrel leaning toward offense? I mean.. I've been trying to look up the answers to these questions, but its difficult.All this time, I thought that EQ2 would only make the EQ1 bards even BETTER! But, I guess not. Good to know

Just go look at their spell lines and www.camelotherald.com. That will give you more then you ever actually wanted to know about it.

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