I disagree. Most mmo's have rough launches. "fan features aside", I wouldn't even call this bumpy.
Now that is bull crap. It has more content, but sure as hell not as much polish as Rift. When Rift launched I was asking for more content I was not asking Trion to fix a broken Auction house UI or add macros into the game.
The OP is either a troll or one of the many to criticise without actually playing the game (maybe one and the same thing). This was the only MMO that I installed, patched in seconds and played first time, two days before the official launch.
The launch has been quite smooth compared to many MMOs and this alone makes the title of the OP's thread a joke.
I politely asked to refrain form comments like this. You don't know me at all and i do not appreciate you making assumptions about me or calling me names.
I am level 30 and was in beta for months before the game launched.
You're in Europe. That pretty much says it all. If you're in North America, you rarely would have any problems.
Im not even subscribed but Ive heard many reviews after launch and I believe them. About 85% had no problems which outweighs your opinion.
Aparently calling them and making sure you understand your rights as a consumer and telling them that they are clearly in breach of their own EULA/TOS gets you up the ranks pretty quick and your code redeemed.
See ya in game! (i am on The Fat Man server /pm me if you want to run some FP's or PvP)
PS: Apparently the site is back up too, they restricted IP's so you might be lucky to get in.
Chances are, calling them and discussing your issue like an empathetic human being without the baseless threats would've gotten your problems handled, too, but I doubt you tried that. I'm willing to bet it wasn't fear of the legal ramifications from you, an oh-so-powerful consumer, that caused your CSR to do their job and help you out. It was probably that, you know, it was their job, and that they work for a company that genuinely wants their fans to enjoy their products, and probably it was also that you were a jerk and the CSR is having a long day and they wanted to get you off the phone as soon as possible.
Another post that makes baseless assumptions on how i handled myself on the phone. You know that just making stuff up does not make it right?
I calmly explained the issue and read them the sections in question from their TOS. I got put on hold until a higher up answered and procesed my code and CreditCard.
But that was enough fun with MMORPG.com for the next month. Thanks for the amusing posts, name calling and assumptions about my age, ability to use a pc or plain insults.
You never fail me MMORPG community.
Queue is clearing i am off playing, see you and have a great xmas.
"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"
I find it ironic though that someone who has been a strong supporter for FFXIV since day one is calling SWTOR 'worst launch ever'. Hey atleast SWTOR has working mounts, AH and mail system on release.
*rolls eyes*
I never had a problem at launch with FFXIV. None of the issues i had with SW:TOR. (yes, now comes the argument of the millions that want to play SW:TOR, EA knew this, they have the numbers, they can prepare!)
I am not a supporter of FFXIV, in fact i stated multiple times that the game is not where it should be and needs a lot of work to be good. I am the first to admit i want FFXIV to be FFXI-2 and they are actually changing it now in exactly that direction.
if anything, I am a strong supporter of FFXI, the best, biggest and most feature complete MMO to date. With still better graphics than the industry leader WoW.
I have to say it again, despite these issues the game is fun and i will play it until my free month is over. That is about the same i can get out of any single player game so i think it's fair.
If worst launch ever is based on broken or missing features then ofcourse i am using similar logic on FFXIV. I am not talking just about server over loads and log in problems. You mixed two seperate issues into one in your original post. And yes it is ironic since you supported FFXIV with full vigour and never said anything about broken launch. But here you are labeling SWTOR as worst launch ever;
Do you pout like this at McDonalds when you get onions on your burger and you didnt want them? That is all your doing...whining. You have no real valid points you have an issue maybe.
Millions of people are doing what you are and b/c YOU have the issue, you somehow think that the company is in violation or doing wrong to eveyone. You are a nobody and they will fix the few issues that a fw people have.
Blatant lies about a grace period. Then suddenly 2 days grace period after consumer organizations where informed.
So reconsidering your position is a crime these days ? And what consumer organization are you talking about ?
Staggered early access that did nothing to help with overpopulation or queues.
They start off 2 days earlier than anticipated to stagger the earliest and got 90+% of their preorders into the game on 15th as promised. Plenty of servers to choose from that are low pop. That stupid players choose very heavy/full to make characters is nothing they can do anything about. If they lock the server, you idiots will scream about not being able to play with your friends
Unfinished game (mobs with no animation, missing voice acting on quests (the much hyped feature)
How is this a product of release ? Funny how I have seen VERY few mobs without animation and NO missing voice acting at all @ level 45
Ghost town syndrome. Sterile and lifeless environment partly due to heavy instancing (max 100 players per instance)
M
ove to a different instance of the zone. Viola ! People ! I see people constantly in the game. Always people in the areas I am questing
No advanced graphics features enabled (no high res textures, no AA, Anisotrophy, View distance etc.)
Again, how is this a product of release. A choice of release or delay while they put these features in (and they are working on them). I’ll take release 100% of the time
Only a few street conversations (random NPC chatter) are voiced, the rest is just text or missing completely (90% is missing)
I walk past these all the time and they are voiced. Name me a title that has them in game ? WoW – no.
Complete stop of sales in Europe even before the game was released (you still can not buy the game in europe from Origin)
Friend went onto Origin in Europe for me. No problem buying the game now. He bought his copy on 12/20
Forum and website completely overloaded and shut down when there are patches.
They shut down the website for maintenance on patches like most games do
Unable to enter Product Key or subscribe because servers are completely overloaded.
Entered mine on 12/20 at 7pm with no issues
Unable to post on forums for help when you are not subscribed.
Help with what ?
And yes this is how AAA titles launch. You obviously have never participated in an MMO launch before this. This has gone
incredibly well compared to ANY other launch from 2004 to present. Most queue times are down to under 30 mins. Thankfully you will be gone after your playthru and we can have 1 less idiot whining
I have to agree. I'm sitting here unable to enter my product code after playing all week. How did they not predict the numbers?
The real question is how did they make the UI so abyssmal?
The UI could not be worse. It's like DCUO made the UI.
I dunno, other then wanting to be able to move some things around a bit I have no problem with the UI at all.
Understatement of the year.
You can't unlock your Camera from Auto Follow
No /roll built into the game
Lack of graphic options
None of those are UI issues at all, ones a menu, ones effectively an emote, and the other is teh camera.
User: One that uses
Interface: A surface forming a common boundary of two bodies, spaces, or phases
The place at shich independent and often unrelated systems meet and act on or communicate with each other.
Seriously use a dictionary at least once in your life.
In mmos UI refers to the UI on teh screen, sorry you cant get that, theres a reason why you never see anyone in game refer to there options menu as there UI, same with the camera or emotes.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Jeezus, if this is what you class as 'worst MMO launch ever', you've lived a sheltered life
You should have seen the state of Anarchy Online in 2001, now that was a horror show!
IMO, this is one of the best MMO launches
If you care to check my bithdate you will find i played MMO's before that term was even coined and people called them MUD's.
What i am saying is that a company like EA that had knowledge in advance about all these issues still does nothing to prevent them. this is gross negligence, nothing else.
EA had all these examles of how you can prevent a release disaster learning from previous failures, yet they did nothing to prepare. (or failed at trying)
On top of that lying to your customers, canceling their orders and not even re-imbursing their 5 bucks from pre-order is for me the issue that tips it over.
Worst Ever.
BAHAHAHAHA go back and look at Anarchy Online launch (massive lag, game breaking bugs), Everquest (massive lag, server crashes), WoW (massive lag, loot database issues that caused you to take 3-5 mins to loot 1 item, 4-6 hr ques on ALL servers), EQ2 (server crashes, massive ques), Warhammer (ques up to 18 hrs on all servers)
This is the best launch I've ever experienced, basically because I couldn't even tell it was a launch!
2 days in a row I've logged in in the evening without a queue, and no more lag than I've seen in games that are years old. Aside from an occasional delayed mob death animation and some unbalance elite mobs, the game is smooth as any game of any age.
Tons of people will disagree with you... Way more polished than WoW or Rift was when it Launched.
Pretty much.
I could excuse the lies, the problems, the queues, the unfunished game.
I have not seen a launch where i was not even able to subscribe to the game at all. That alone counts for the worst launch ever.
I subscribed just fine, so the system itself works. The current issue is with sheer volume of traffic, and waht looks like a maintenance downtime at this moment in time.
Compare that with the Warhammer Europe Launch where GOA f'-ed up the subscription site so that you could not actually enter your details even if you got through to the page through the heavy traffic. They had to replace the subscription page as they could not fix it. Now that was a bad launch. This is smooth but for the sheer volume. Bad for those stuck waiting, but it does work when you get there.
There is always a problem with any massively popular game that needs an online connection at launch. Internet systems in general just can not cope with the load- just like traffic at rush hour.
Since the server is not loading im not sure if this is the proper link but try this.....it might help explain some of the code issues. I know the preorder code i had from best-buy didnt work and i asked for a new one from EA. They hooked me up and send this link
Staggered early access that did nothing to help with overpopulation or queues
And you know this because you have the actual metrics, or what? You have no clue what it might have been like without a staggered release. The overpopulation and queue issues may well have been 100 times worse. You're making blind conjecture.
Ghost town syndrome. Sterile and lifeless environment partly due to heavy instancing (max 100 players per instance)
If you're going to rant about something, at least get the information right. Most instances i'm in show the number of people being much higher than your claimed 100 players per instance. Last starter planet I was on had 167 players in 1 instance. I'm guessing the limit is 200, double what you put. Have you even played the game?
Another post that makes baseless assumptions on how i handled myself on the phone. You know that just making stuff up does not make it right?
I calmly explained the issue and read them the sections in question from their TOS. I got put on hold until a higher up answered and procesed my code and CreditCard.
But that was enough fun with MMORPG.com for the next month. Thanks for the amusing posts, name calling and assumptions about my age, ability to use a pc or plain insults.
You never fail me MMORPG community.
Queue is clearing i am off playing, see you and have a great xmas.
Apparently you aren't going to read this, but I'm sure you understand that someone can be calm and condescending at the same time. As anybody else who has worked in customer service can tell you, more often than not, even if someone is being calm about their problem, if they are reciting my company's policies to me as if they know something I do not and are telling me that my company is in breach of contract (you know, you did say you told them they are in breach--an implied threat that if they don't help you resolve your issue, you can pursue legal compensation), they're probably being rather abrasive about it.
A simple "Hey, I know you guys are going through a major launch right now and there are going to be problems, but I can't access your registration site and was wondering if you could give me a hand with my subscription, so I can play your game because I've been looking forward to it for a long time." probably would've sufficed. I work in communications and IT, and I've seen equipment go down for all kinds of weird little issues even after working correctly for years at a time. I'm convinced that no major MMO operator can be fully prepared for the issues that can arise with a AAA launch. You say EA knew what to expect from previous failures and should've been fully prepared to launch their game to 1-2 million simultaneous users without a hiccup. I say, keep dreaming.
This isn't even close to the worst launch of anything. Anarchy Online and WW2 Online had far worse experiences at launch than anything Bioware is going through right now.
Tons of people will disagree with you... Way more polished than WoW or Rift was when it Launched.
Pretty much.
I could excuse the lies, the problems, the queues, the unfunished game.
I have not seen a launch where i was not even able to subscribe to the game at all. That alone counts for the worst launch ever.
QFT
I am still refreshing waiting to get my credit card info to work. I have gotten as far as choosing the monthly option - then it times out.
And this is after having to buy a 2nd copy of the game to get past their error in aplying my product id (I will be pursuinga refund on one of the purchases).
Yeah - it is a great game, and it was stable (until Taris and even that wasn't TOO bad), but I would like to be able to set up a subscription and play it.
This is like having that super hot ski-bunny you met and got to 3rd base with go down the slopes and hit a tree then show back up to the lodge in a full body cast. WTF am I going to do with this? Oh, wait. She also has her jaw wired shut.... Okay, so - what the hell am I supposed to do with this?
Originally posted by WSIMike Originally posted by Vegetto Smoothest launch i've seen in history of MMOs, every single one of them. WoW was far, far, far....FAR worse than this (I can log into SWTOR and server doesn't crash hourly for prolonged periods, following a 2 hour queue, which was followed by extreme lag, followed by extended daily maintenance which would last several hours), therefore by that token alone, compared to the most successful MMO of all time, it's a successful launch.
Clearly, saying "by that token alone", you obviously mean "by deliberately ignoring every other issue the game has, including those listed by the OP", right? The OP lists off a series of issues with the game, several of which can not be spun as anything but issues. You proceed to ignore all those issues, or any others that may exist. You conveniently cherry-pick a single area which you feel is going well (and even then, only in comparison to those you feel were worse). You then declare that based on that one area alone - ignoring all others - it's having a successful launch. Beautiful. Intellectual dishonesty at its finest, folks. You realize if we were to use your "method" of rating the launch of a MMO - by basing your entire opinion on a single criteria, and only in comparison to games that did it worse - that pretty much every MMO in existence could be said to have a successful launch? I mean, in even the worst rolling train-wrecks of MMO launches, you can find something that could be considered well-done or better-than-average, especially when compared to other games that did it worse. Of course, we don't do that, because it would be absurd and dishonest. You know, it is perfectly okay to admit that TOR has issues. Your Fan Card doesn't get revoked for admitting something might be less than perfect. Well, the more overzealous and ridiculously overprotective fans may wish to strip you of it for daring to utter a single negative syllable about it. But then you just consider the source.
You must be kidding...oh...wait, you arent.
You really cant make a distinction with launch issues and game issues?
Yes, I'd agree with people who are saying it was an incredibly smooth launch as compared to other MMO's. His issues with what the game offers or it's design have very little to do with launch however, and I'm not sure why you would consider it intellectually dishonest, or is it an intellect issue that you lump both together? Just askin.
Tons of people will disagree with you... Way more polished than WoW or Rift was when it Launched.
Rift had a much smoother launch than this. Not quite flawless but pretty darn close. Of course their launch was, at best, half the size and there are a bunch of other things you could legitimately criticize Rift for gamewise. But their launch set the new standard. I believe SWTOR is both a better game and will ultimately be more successful and this launch has not been as bad as most. But it is certainly not the best launch ever.
You are obviously new to MMOs if you think this is anywhere near the worst launch ever... just saying is all.
*unticks "watch this thread?"*
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
You are obviously new to MMOs if you think this is anywhere near the worst launch ever... just saying is all.
*unticks "watch this thread?"*
Agreed. OP probably was too young or never heard of the legends of poor launches:
1. Anarchy Online (the standard by which all poor launches are judged)
2. Ultima Online (most folks couldn't even log in for weeks on end)
3. Star Wars Galaxies
4. World of Warcraft (almost every day there were server crashes that lasted more than a day)
5. Age of Conan
Too young? I don't think so. All MMOs had horrible launches, this does not mean we should accept continued crap launches and beeing lied to. Just me though, a lot of people seem to be fine to get bullied by big corporations because they have been told to shut up and take it.
"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"
Too young? I don't think so. All MMOs had horrible launches, this does not mean we should accept continued crap launches and beeing lied to. Just me though, a lot of people seem to be fine to get bullied by big corporations because they have been told to shut up and take it.
Why not skip launches if that's how you feel? The game will still be there in a month or two...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Tons of people will disagree with you... Way more polished than WoW or Rift was when it Launched.
Better launch than Rift, you gotta be kidding me.
Give me a break.
I have to say, many of the launches I've seen personally have been smooth. RIFT was incredibly smooth. I remember WARhammer having a good launch. So did AION.
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None of those are UI issues at all, ones a menu, ones effectively an emote, and the other is teh camera.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Now that is bull crap. It has more content, but sure as hell not as much polish as Rift. When Rift launched I was asking for more content I was not asking Trion to fix a broken Auction house UI or add macros into the game.
You're in Europe. That pretty much says it all. If you're in North America, you rarely would have any problems.
Im not even subscribed but Ive heard many reviews after launch and I believe them. About 85% had no problems which outweighs your opinion.
Another post that makes baseless assumptions on how i handled myself on the phone. You know that just making stuff up does not make it right?
I calmly explained the issue and read them the sections in question from their TOS. I got put on hold until a higher up answered and procesed my code and CreditCard.
But that was enough fun with MMORPG.com for the next month. Thanks for the amusing posts, name calling and assumptions about my age, ability to use a pc or plain insults.
You never fail me MMORPG community.
Queue is clearing i am off playing, see you and have a great xmas.
User: One that uses
Interface: A surface forming a common boundary of two bodies, spaces, or phases
The place at shich independent and often unrelated systems meet and act on or communicate with each other.
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If worst launch ever is based on broken or missing features then ofcourse i am using similar logic on FFXIV. I am not talking just about server over loads and log in problems. You mixed two seperate issues into one in your original post. And yes it is ironic since you supported FFXIV with full vigour and never said anything about broken launch. But here you are labeling SWTOR as worst launch ever;
Do you pout like this at McDonalds when you get onions on your burger and you didnt want them? That is all your doing...whining. You have no real valid points you have an issue maybe.
Millions of people are doing what you are and b/c YOU have the issue, you somehow think that the company is in violation or doing wrong to eveyone. You are a nobody and they will fix the few issues that a fw people have.
Blatant lies about a grace period. Then suddenly 2 days grace period after consumer organizations where informed.
So reconsidering your position is a crime these days ? And what consumer organization are you talking about ?
Staggered early access that did nothing to help with overpopulation or queues.
They start off 2 days earlier than anticipated to stagger the earliest and got 90+% of their preorders into the game on 15th as promised. Plenty of servers to choose from that are low pop. That stupid players choose very heavy/full to make characters is nothing they can do anything about. If they lock the server, you idiots will scream about not being able to play with your friends
Unfinished game (mobs with no animation, missing voice acting on quests (the much hyped feature)
How is this a product of release ? Funny how I have seen VERY few mobs without animation and NO missing voice acting at all @ level 45
Ghost town syndrome. Sterile and lifeless environment partly due to heavy instancing (max 100 players per instance)
M
ove to a different instance of the zone. Viola ! People ! I see people constantly in the game. Always people in the areas I am questing
No advanced graphics features enabled (no high res textures, no AA, Anisotrophy, View distance etc.)
Again, how is this a product of release. A choice of release or delay while they put these features in (and they are working on them). I’ll take release 100% of the time
Only a few street conversations (random NPC chatter) are voiced, the rest is just text or missing completely (90% is missing)
I walk past these all the time and they are voiced. Name me a title that has them in game ? WoW – no.
Complete stop of sales in Europe even before the game was released (you still can not buy the game in europe from Origin)
Friend went onto Origin in Europe for me. No problem buying the game now. He bought his copy on 12/20
Forum and website completely overloaded and shut down when there are patches.
They shut down the website for maintenance on patches like most games do
Unable to enter Product Key or subscribe because servers are completely overloaded.
Entered mine on 12/20 at 7pm with no issues
Unable to post on forums for help when you are not subscribed.
Help with what ?
And yes this is how AAA titles launch. You obviously have never participated in an MMO launch before this. This has gone
incredibly well compared to ANY other launch from 2004 to present. Most queue times are down to under 30 mins. Thankfully you will be gone after your playthru and we can have 1 less idiot whining
In mmos UI refers to the UI on teh screen, sorry you cant get that, theres a reason why you never see anyone in game refer to there options menu as there UI, same with the camera or emotes.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Apparently my code is already in use.
BAHAHAHAHA go back and look at Anarchy Online launch (massive lag, game breaking bugs), Everquest (massive lag, server crashes), WoW (massive lag, loot database issues that caused you to take 3-5 mins to loot 1 item, 4-6 hr ques on ALL servers), EQ2 (server crashes, massive ques), Warhammer (ques up to 18 hrs on all servers)
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This is the best launch I've ever experienced, basically because I couldn't even tell it was a launch!
2 days in a row I've logged in in the evening without a queue, and no more lag than I've seen in games that are years old. Aside from an occasional delayed mob death animation and some unbalance elite mobs, the game is smooth as any game of any age.
I subscribed just fine, so the system itself works. The current issue is with sheer volume of traffic, and waht looks like a maintenance downtime at this moment in time.
Compare that with the Warhammer Europe Launch where GOA f'-ed up the subscription site so that you could not actually enter your details even if you got through to the page through the heavy traffic. They had to replace the subscription page as they could not fix it. Now that was a bad launch. This is smooth but for the sheer volume. Bad for those stuck waiting, but it does work when you get there.
There is always a problem with any massively popular game that needs an online connection at launch. Internet systems in general just can not cope with the load- just like traffic at rush hour.
Cheers
Stuntie.
Since the server is not loading im not sure if this is the proper link but try this.....it might help explain some of the code issues. I know the preorder code i had from best-buy didnt work and i asked for a new one from EA. They hooked me up and send this link
http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=171118&postcount=499
Apparently you aren't going to read this, but I'm sure you understand that someone can be calm and condescending at the same time. As anybody else who has worked in customer service can tell you, more often than not, even if someone is being calm about their problem, if they are reciting my company's policies to me as if they know something I do not and are telling me that my company is in breach of contract (you know, you did say you told them they are in breach--an implied threat that if they don't help you resolve your issue, you can pursue legal compensation), they're probably being rather abrasive about it.
A simple "Hey, I know you guys are going through a major launch right now and there are going to be problems, but I can't access your registration site and was wondering if you could give me a hand with my subscription, so I can play your game because I've been looking forward to it for a long time." probably would've sufficed. I work in communications and IT, and I've seen equipment go down for all kinds of weird little issues even after working correctly for years at a time. I'm convinced that no major MMO operator can be fully prepared for the issues that can arise with a AAA launch. You say EA knew what to expect from previous failures and should've been fully prepared to launch their game to 1-2 million simultaneous users without a hiccup. I say, keep dreaming.
This isn't even close to the worst launch of anything. Anarchy Online and WW2 Online had far worse experiences at launch than anything Bioware is going through right now.
QFT
I am still refreshing waiting to get my credit card info to work. I have gotten as far as choosing the monthly option - then it times out.
And this is after having to buy a 2nd copy of the game to get past their error in aplying my product id (I will be pursuinga refund on one of the purchases).
Yeah - it is a great game, and it was stable (until Taris and even that wasn't TOO bad), but I would like to be able to set up a subscription and play it.
This is like having that super hot ski-bunny you met and got to 3rd base with go down the slopes and hit a tree then show back up to the lodge in a full body cast. WTF am I going to do with this? Oh, wait. She also has her jaw wired shut.... Okay, so - what the hell am I supposed to do with this?
Someone please make a good MMO.
The OP lists off a series of issues with the game, several of which can not be spun as anything but issues. You proceed to ignore all those issues, or any others that may exist. You conveniently cherry-pick a single area which you feel is going well (and even then, only in comparison to those you feel were worse). You then declare that based on that one area alone - ignoring all others - it's having a successful launch.
Beautiful.
Intellectual dishonesty at its finest, folks.
You realize if we were to use your "method" of rating the launch of a MMO - by basing your entire opinion on a single criteria, and only in comparison to games that did it worse - that pretty much every MMO in existence could be said to have a successful launch?
I mean, in even the worst rolling train-wrecks of MMO launches, you can find something that could be considered well-done or better-than-average, especially when compared to other games that did it worse.
Of course, we don't do that, because it would be absurd and dishonest.
You know, it is perfectly okay to admit that TOR has issues. Your Fan Card doesn't get revoked for admitting something might be less than perfect. Well, the more overzealous and ridiculously overprotective fans may wish to strip you of it for daring to utter a single negative syllable about it. But then you just consider the source.
You must be kidding...oh...wait, you arent.
You really cant make a distinction with launch issues and game issues?
Yes, I'd agree with people who are saying it was an incredibly smooth launch as compared to other MMO's. His issues with what the game offers or it's design have very little to do with launch however, and I'm not sure why you would consider it intellectually dishonest, or is it an intellect issue that you lump both together? Just askin.
Rift had a much smoother launch than this. Not quite flawless but pretty darn close. Of course their launch was, at best, half the size and there are a bunch of other things you could legitimately criticize Rift for gamewise. But their launch set the new standard. I believe SWTOR is both a better game and will ultimately be more successful and this launch has not been as bad as most. But it is certainly not the best launch ever.
All die, so die well.
You are obviously new to MMOs if you think this is anywhere near the worst launch ever... just saying is all.
*unticks "watch this thread?"*
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
Agreed. OP probably was too young or never heard of the legends of poor launches:
1. Anarchy Online (the standard by which all poor launches are judged)
2. Ultima Online (most folks couldn't even log in for weeks on end)
3. Star Wars Galaxies
4. World of Warcraft (almost every day there were server crashes that lasted more than a day)
5. Age of Conan
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
Too young? I don't think so. All MMOs had horrible launches, this does not mean we should accept continued crap launches and beeing lied to. Just me though, a lot of people seem to be fine to get bullied by big corporations because they have been told to shut up and take it.
Why not skip launches if that's how you feel? The game will still be there in a month or two...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Better launch than Rift, you gotta be kidding me.
Give me a break.
I have to say, many of the launches I've seen personally have been smooth. RIFT was incredibly smooth. I remember WARhammer having a good launch. So did AION.
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