@lowcaian Yes. I don't waste time running from city to city to open flight paths for example like wow before easy mode. It was annoying and an extreme time sink. So in this context, yes it is.
God this war between those who like the game and those who don't like the game is just nuts.
Like someone could write a serious psycholagical study on the people on this website.
Very true I had sworn off these boards for long time because of the drivel and I was about to get SWTOR so I thought id check out these boards again for info and seen nothing has changed and even found myself drawn back into the fights dunno why. It seems like the mods want these boards to be this way though because for boards these size it seems the mods are awol. Oh well. it is what it is I guess I guess to MMORPG.com traffic is traffic.
Oh, they're not AWOL. I get temporary bans every time I make a tiny joke at someone else. These forums are just center-stage nerd rage.
God this war between those who like the game and those who don't like the game is just nuts. Like someone could write a serious psycholagical study on the people on this website.
Very true I had sworn off these boards for long time because of the drivel and I was about to get SWTOR so I thought id check out these boards again for info and seen nothing has changed and even found myself drawn back into the fights dunno why. It seems like the mods want these boards to be this way though because for boards these size it seems the mods are awol. Oh well. it is what it is I guess I guess to MMORPG.com traffic is traffic.
Usually on forums this is the case, back and forth, especially when people are passionate about something
This is nothing compared to open sports forums btw, so there you go. And it is not advices to get accurate I for about a game from such forums for obvious reasons.
@lowcaian Yes. I don't waste time running from city to city to open flight paths for example like wow before easy mode. It was annoying and an extreme time sink. So in this context, yes it is.
Actually I had lot more fun discovering things before Easy Mode. From WOTLK on the game has been gettign worse. People who play MMOs like those kind of things, shame nowadays the MMO market is saturated with ADHD kids looking for an alternative to XBOX LIVE and CoD
Oh hell yea there were people who LIKED FFXIV.... and some of them have a cajones to say this was the worst launch ever. How quickly people forget what crap they've defended in the past.
Seriously though. Screw people who don't like it, they can find another game. Congrats to people who do like it, I hope everything turns out hunky dory.
God this war between those who like the game and those who don't like the game is just nuts.
Like someone could write a serious psycholagical study on the people on this website.
Very true I had sworn off these boards for long time because of the drivel and I was about to get SWTOR so I thought id check out these boards again for info and seen nothing has changed and even found myself drawn back into the fights dunno why. It seems like the mods want these boards to be this way though because for boards these size it seems the mods are awol. Oh well. it is what it is I guess I guess to MMORPG.com traffic is traffic.
Usually on forums this is the case, back and forth, especially when people are passionate about something
This is nothing compared to open sports forums btw, so there you go. And it is not advices to get accurate I for about a game from such forums for obvious reasons.
I can understand defending passionately a game you like (whatever the game is), but I can't understand hating so much a game that they probably didn't even play. It's a bit..sick
Oh hell yea there were people who LIKED FFXIV.... and some of them have a cajones to say this was the worst launch ever. How quickly people forget what crap they've defended in the past.
Seriously though. Screw people who don't like it, they can find another game. Congrats to people who do like it, I hope everything turns out hunky dory.
I support this, if you like something have fun with it, if you don't well play something else. Don't they get that haters always look bad? That the more they are rabid, the more people will start ignoring their posts and will lose ANY credibility?
God this war between those who like the game and those who don't like the game is just nuts.
Like someone could write a serious psycholagical study on the people on this website.
I agree just like how you were on the side of those who disliked FFXIV? i agree it is nuts i love how people forget their own history on forums
There are actually people who LIKED FFIV??
Indeed and CujoSWAoA was their nemesis lol
He just have a very bad memory because i swear he was perfect for this psychological study. But hey no body wants to talk about things they did, pointing fingers at others is more fun.
God this war between those who like the game and those who don't like the game is just nuts.
Like someone could write a serious psycholagical study on the people on this website.
I wonder if it has to do with the lack of good games, recently. Especially MMOs, but even good single-player games. Maybe it's just me, but I'm just freakin bored.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
I dunno, I used to like being a dwarf/elf and doing the nekid wetlands run. No one was a man/woman until they performed that rite of passage.
Hell, it was part of what it made WoW a MMO:not knowing where the hell you were going but knowing you had to. It sort of defined the need for exploration. nowadays, all the ADHD kids have to do is be the right lvl and fly there. Not to mention the 5 or 6 flight point in EVERY map, cmon, they even put a FP in GOLDSHIRE!! WTF?!? That's like 20 seconds from SW?
1- "Oh the game is not innovative" or "it didn't bring anything new": The game added many subtle and obvious important features to the MMO genre including, fast travels, creative modding for gear and weapons, toon progression path based on choices, companion affection opening new Quests, etc. Wait any see how many MMOs will adopt some of these features.
2- The game is a time sink: Which MMO isn't? WOW? Korean MMOs? Aion? Rift? And if that was the case then how come we can send our companions to gather or produce while we are doing something else like running dungeons? Also, check easy travels above.
3-the game is 95% cut scenes and 5% fighting: not true. It is balanced. Cut scenes are perfectly proportionate to the story line. This is a game were you actually care about your toon and it's progression path. And it is not on easy mode like wow either.
4-Voice acting is unnecessary and it is annoying after a while: IMHO any feature that helps me get more involved with my toon is welcomed. I remember when DA 1 was out, people were complaining because our toons didn't speak (only NPCs did), and now in swtor our toons speak and still they complain. Jeez.
5-the graphics resemble wow graphics: really? Do I even need to comment on this?
Take a deep breath guys, the game has not been out for a week already, ok? Lots of things will improve given time. This release is not set in stone, and it is not end all, this is just the beginning. Wait at least for the next coming phase (or phases) to judge.
And stop hiding behind "we are entitled to our opinions" and "respect what we say". Well, the fact is, I would if you had anything constructive to say, but the majority don't, or they are just rewording what other whiners said. Heck, some even have the audacity to whine when all they played was the beta which is not an accurate representation of the current game.
I'm going to politely disagree and debate some of your points:
1. Most of those features have been present in many games prior to TOR. Items were moddable at creation in SWG, then further moddable via slicing afterwards, adding a whole new layer of crafting and modification. Fast travel has existed for aeons. While I do find a large portion of the voice acting in TOR to be hideous (Scottish, Welsh and posh British accents on the Empire side piss me off to no end), I do agree that Bioware have raised the bar for story-based questing in a MMO.
Example: would you rather have a half dozen moddable smuggler jackets, so every smuggler still looks the same, or would your rather simply have an appearance tab. (I'd rather have both right now.)
2. Agree with the main point. However TOR offers nothing else other than combat/questing. There are no downtime systems (yet). Whereas, in other games, you might take time out to craft (for example), TOR's - still imaginative - system of crafting actually exacerbates the problem of no down-time, because your crew does everything for you, leaving you free to continue shooting small critters and listening to bad Mary Poppins accents.
(Oh, and don't say 'roleplay'. Roleplaying is an activity added into the game environment by players, not by the game system. TOR currently offers ZERO RP features.)
3. Agreed. It's 50% cut-scenes, 50% combat. And there in lies the problem. Where's the rest of the game? Where are the speeder races, lively cantinas, chairs to sit in, pazaak, Galactic News Network bulletins, the EXPLORATION, etc etc etc... Perhaps I am an older, more cynical gamer nowadays, but I'm sorry to say that the game feels a lot like 150 million dollars worth of bad acting, with a sort of half-assed WoW tacked on to the end. And such limited functionlity in a modern AAA MMO of this caliber and budget SHOULD BE unacceptable.
4. Like everything, the voice acting is subjective. I find some of it hilarious, a lot of it so bad I'm not sure if I should laugh or feel racially insulted, and some of it just too bland to be anything but spacebar-worthy. But as I said, Bioware did raise the bar for story-telling in a MMO. Although, I played some Red Dead Redemption last night, and the voice acting quality blows the crap out of TOR's.
5. Agreed. TOR looks nothing like WoW.
However, just as the game's critics need to stop hiding behind their personal opinions (which is a rediculous thing to demand), TOR diehards need to stop hiding behind such statements as, "lol, game just came out, give it a chance!". That's equally as harmful to our gaming genre. When did we all start blindly accepting mediocrity, half-finished games, sub-par sytems, and features that simply should be there?
And finally, the disclaimer: all opinions are equally valid and equally useless. I don't hate you because of yours.
Personally, I will subscribe to the game for a while, because it is enjoyable, despite it's lack of features that I desire, because I appreciate that MMOs need time to grow, and I am curious to see what Bioware will make of TOR in the future.
God this war between those who like the game and those who don't like the game is just nuts.
Like someone could write a serious psycholagical study on the people on this website.
I agree just like how you were on the side of those who disliked FFXIV? i agree it is nuts i love how people forget their own history on forums
There are actually people who LIKED FFIV??
Indeed and CujoSWAoA was their nemesis lol
He just have a very bad memory because i swear he was perfect for this psychological study. But hey no body wants to talk about things they did, pointing fingers at others is more fun.
well.. having played FFXIV at release for 2 months... I can cut him some slack ;p
God this war between those who like the game and those who don't like the game is just nuts.
Like someone could write a serious psycholagical study on the people on this website.
I wonder if it has to do with the lack of good games, recently. Especially MMOs, but even good single-player games. Maybe it's just me, but I'm just freakin bored.
You mean good single player games like SKYRIM, Zelda, Arkham City, Dead Island, Deus Ex:HR, Demon Soul, BF3,MW3 etc etc?
I love how people get all upset because some other person doesn't like the game they play..seriously grow up!
Well it just gets old Im sure alot of people don't really care who likes the game or not its more of the point of coming to the SWTOR section everyday telling everyone it just gets annoying.
Imagine if you liked bowling and I showed up to the bowling alley EVERYDAY with 5-6 buddies and we shouted bowling sucks and LOL bowling constantly while you are just trying to enjoy your bowling. Sure you could ignore it for a bit but after awhile most people are gonna get annoyed as hell.
Really not a very good analogy.
More realisitically people would have to be logging into a bowling forum (is there such a thing) and making posts about how much bowling sucks, is boring, repetitive and the latest bowling ball brings nothing new to the table in terms of innovation. (it's still round dammit, I wanted a tetrahedron)
Yet even if they did, just like over here, other people could ignore that they were saying and not read their posts or even put them on ignore if they were so inclined.
Yet just like the OP I guess they'd create forum posst decrying the lack of moderation, and how annoying it was that people posted negative comments about the game (it's called forum PVP folks, time to learn to play if you're going to hang here) and fail to realize, people like reading this stuff, sort of like a good train wreck or a bad reality TV show.
While some of what people post is misleading, heck totally untrue in many cases, part of the blame for that especially pre-launch is due to Bioware's insistance on keeping the NDA in place for far too long which leads to rampant speculation by the player base. It was in their power to fix this but chose not to.
Another problem with the OP is many of the innovations and improvements he's calling out are not actually all that innovative, or are something that is a matter of personal preference more than an actual new benefit.
A lot of the OP is about the story driven content, but many players prefer to make their own story in MMORPG's, and not have something read to them. SWTOR isprobably not the game for them then, because Bioware was totally open from the beginning on that score and no one can be surprised by how it turned out.
I had hoped for better in the PVP department, they kept that one pretty close to the vest right up to release, and rightfully so, there's really not much new or innovative there considering that the war between factions was really what the IP is all about. Shame the game doesn't revolve arround that conflict more, seems more like an afterthought but sort of makes sense, its hard to design for both PVE and PVP, and usually a choice has to be made. (though Mythic found a way around that many years ago, no one seems to recall that lesson)
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I love how people get all upset because some other person doesn't like the game they play..seriously grow up!
Well it just gets old Im sure alot of people don't really care who likes the game or not its more of the point of coming to the SWTOR section everyday telling everyone it just gets annoying.
Imagine if you liked bowling and I showed up to the bowling alley EVERYDAY with 5-6 buddies and we shouted bowling sucks and LOL bowling constantly while you are just trying to enjoy your bowling. Sure you could ignore it for a bit but after awhile most people are gonna get annoyed as hell.
I'm going to the forums to hear both sides of the coin. Why people like of dislike the game. Either side should clearly not overdo it, but I dislike the fact the attention is alway to the 'hater' and not toward the 'fanboys' who lie and scream just as hard, but more positive about the game in question. Both side a equally unconstructive.
Now if people in the game actually scream like that then I would go to GMs and complain about this. This is however not the game. This is a forum about MMO's with are discussed. For a discussion to happen you need people who agree AND disagree else the point of the forums would be useless.
all the points in the OP are good and valid. The game simply is not as innovating as some wanted/expected, it is a timesink (he did not even try to deny that...then how is it even misleading? It's does not make it better because most other MMOs have it), the game has a lot of cutscene and people dislike it. Now clearly those numbers are not right and everyone knows that and people find voice acting annoying.
Do not get me wrong I disagree with most of the points. I am liking the game, cutscenes, the time sink, the story etc, but that does not mean i expect everyone to think the same or tell them that there OPINION is misleading. In fact when I post here I expect and even want people to disagree with me. Clearly I hope a smart and well written response, but you know not everyone can do that and some people simply want to troll.
Report them and hope the moderator think the same.
While I do find a large portion of the voice acting in TOR to be hideous (Scottish, Welsh and posh British accents on the Empire side piss me off to no end),...
4. Like everything, the voice acting is subjective. I find some of it hilarious, a lot of it so bad I'm not sure if I should laugh or feel racially insulted, and some of it just too bland to be anything but spacebar-worthy.
Just curious, is it that the British Isles accents are poorly done, or that the Empire has too many of them?
You mean good single player games like SKYRIM, Zelda, Arkham City, Dead Island, Deus Ex:HR, Demon Soul, BF3,MW3 etc etc?
Which of those games have come out in the past month? Wasn't Skyrim, I was bored of that a month ago. Funny it was the first you mentioned, because I almost added "except Skyrim" but decided against it.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
I love how people get all upset because some other person doesn't like the game they play..seriously grow up!
Well it just gets old Im sure alot of people don't really care who likes the game or not its more of the point of coming to the SWTOR section everyday telling everyone it just gets annoying.
Imagine if you liked bowling and I showed up to the bowling alley EVERYDAY with 5-6 buddies and we shouted bowling sucks and LOL bowling constantly while you are just trying to enjoy your bowling. Sure you could ignore it for a bit but after awhile most people are gonna get annoyed as hell.
Actually it is more like...
A bunch of guys hanging out down the street at Dunkin Donuts and complaining about how lame Bowling is and how it would have been better if they didn't open another Bowling Alley and maybe opened something new and different like Paintball. Then the Bowlers are walking by and feel the need to stop in and argue that Bowling is the best thing ever and that they would never play Paintball, that Paintball is only for people that live in their Mom's basement.
MMORPG is a game site that happens to have a very outspoken community, you aren't required to read the forums to Play SWTOR or any other game. There is no reason to come to the forums unless you want to read what other people think, you can play anything you want and be blissfully ignorant or disinterested.
If you come here to the forums and make an opinionate post then be preapred for a fight and don't go off all self important and dismissive when everyone doesn't agree with you.
While I do find a large portion of the voice acting in TOR to be hideous (Scottish, Welsh and posh British accents on the Empire side piss me off to no end),...
4. Like everything, the voice acting is subjective. I find some of it hilarious, a lot of it so bad I'm not sure if I should laugh or feel racially insulted, and some of it just too bland to be anything but spacebar-worthy.
Just curious, is it that the British Isles accents are poorly done, or that the Empire has too many of them?
In my opinion, most of them are just poorly done. One of the Imp vendors sounds like Simon Cowell for f*cks sake.. Obviously it was a conscious design decision (Republic =Team America, Empire/Sith=James Bond villains), but it's so overly done and cheesy, that I'm starting to just roll my eyes when the dialogue starts. I have yet to experience the whole game, so I can't say if it's like this all the way, but I would have liked to have seen some other European accents thrown in, some asian or middle eastern.. or just plain old un-accented vocals.
But when you're standing infront of an Imperial captain who is desparately trying to stop the attacks on his outpost, and he sounds more like he should be selling you raisin bread and mead in the Shire, it bugs me..
Edit: or to make my point more relative to the game at hand, it breaks my suspension of disbelief. I stop feeling immersed in the Star Wars universe, and feel more like I am listening to some weird 'trekkie' at a sci-f con in Wales..
I dunno, I used to like being a dwarf/elf and doing the nekid wetlands run. No one was a man/woman until they performed that rite of passage.
Hell, it was part of what it made WoW a MMO:not knowing where the hell you were going but knowing you had to. It sort of defined the need for exploration. nowadays, all the ADHD kids have to do is be the right lvl and fly there. Not to mention the 5 or 6 flight point in EVERY map, cmon, they even put a FP in GOLDSHIRE!! WTF?!? That's like 20 seconds from SW?
Heh, I recall that, running my newly created Elf all throught the Wetlands to get over to Ironforge and being chased relentlessly by spiders in particular as I ran along the path. (and died a few times).
Another memorable moment is when my son and I wanted to get to places like Stranglethorn Vale we swam there from Westfall, there were a couple of other long adventures like that.
No, discovery is what MMO's are all about, and while having fast travel is important, it should only occur after the initial discovery and still take some amount of time. (instantaneous travel should be used sparingly)
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While I do find a large portion of the voice acting in TOR to be hideous (Scottish, Welsh and posh British accents on the Empire side piss me off to no end),...
4. Like everything, the voice acting is subjective. I find some of it hilarious, a lot of it so bad I'm not sure if I should laugh or feel racially insulted, and some of it just too bland to be anything but spacebar-worthy.
Just curious, is it that the British Isles accents are poorly done, or that the Empire has too many of them?
In my opinion, most of them are just poorly done. One of the Imp vendors sounds like Simon Cowell for f*cks sake.. Obviously it was a conscious design decision (Republic =Team America, Empire/Sith=James Bond villains), but it's so overly done and cheesy, that I'm starting to just roll my eyes when the dialogue starts. I have yet to experience the whole game, so I can't say if it's like this all the way, but I would have liked to have seen some other European accents thrown in, some asian or middle eastern.. or just plain old un-accented vocals.
But when you're standing infront of an Imperial captain who is desparately trying to stop the attacks on his outpost, and he sounds more like he should be selling you raisin bread and mead in the Shire, it bugs me..
Edit: or to make my point more relative to the game at hand, it breaks my suspension of disbelief. I stop feeling immersed in the Star Wars universe, and feel more like I am listening to some weird 'trekkie' at a sci-f con in Wales..
Ok that is not offensive at all. LOL
I bet if they had used other accents say asian, middle eastern or french, german..there would be people still complaining about it. You just can not make everyone happy no matter what you do.
I'm only pleasantly surprised that for the first time the people her don't bash the game as much as they do in the game forums of swtor. There's really garbage going on there, mostly of disgrunted swg, wow and eve players me thinks..
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Yes. I don't waste time running from city to city to open flight paths for example like wow before easy mode. It was annoying and an extreme time sink. So in this context, yes it is.
There are actually people who LIKED FFIV??
Oh, they're not AWOL. I get temporary bans every time I make a tiny joke at someone else. These forums are just center-stage nerd rage.
Very true I had sworn off these boards for long time because of the drivel and I was about to get SWTOR so I thought id check out these boards again for info and seen nothing has changed and even found myself drawn back into the fights dunno why. It seems like the mods want these boards to be this way though because for boards these size it seems the mods are awol. Oh well. it is what it is I guess I guess to MMORPG.com traffic is traffic.
Usually on forums this is the case, back and forth, especially when people are passionate about something
This is nothing compared to open sports forums btw, so there you go. And it is not advices to get accurate I for about a game from such forums for obvious reasons.
Actually I had lot more fun discovering things before Easy Mode. From WOTLK on the game has been gettign worse. People who play MMOs like those kind of things, shame nowadays the MMO market is saturated with ADHD kids looking for an alternative to XBOX LIVE and CoD
Oh hell yea there were people who LIKED FFXIV.... and some of them have a cajones to say this was the worst launch ever. How quickly people forget what crap they've defended in the past.
Seriously though. Screw people who don't like it, they can find another game. Congrats to people who do like it, I hope everything turns out hunky dory.
I can understand defending passionately a game you like (whatever the game is), but I can't understand hating so much a game that they probably didn't even play. It's a bit..sick
I dunno, I used to like being a dwarf/elf and doing the nekid wetlands run. No one was a man/woman until they performed that rite of passage.
I support this, if you like something have fun with it, if you don't well play something else. Don't they get that haters always look bad? That the more they are rabid, the more people will start ignoring their posts and will lose ANY credibility?
Indeed and CujoSWAoA was their nemesis lol
He just have a very bad memory because i swear he was perfect for this psychological study. But hey no body wants to talk about things they did, pointing fingers at others is more fun.
I wonder if it has to do with the lack of good games, recently. Especially MMOs, but even good single-player games. Maybe it's just me, but I'm just freakin bored.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Hell, it was part of what it made WoW a MMO:not knowing where the hell you were going but knowing you had to. It sort of defined the need for exploration. nowadays, all the ADHD kids have to do is be the right lvl and fly there. Not to mention the 5 or 6 flight point in EVERY map, cmon, they even put a FP in GOLDSHIRE!! WTF?!? That's like 20 seconds from SW?
I'm going to politely disagree and debate some of your points:
1. Most of those features have been present in many games prior to TOR. Items were moddable at creation in SWG, then further moddable via slicing afterwards, adding a whole new layer of crafting and modification. Fast travel has existed for aeons. While I do find a large portion of the voice acting in TOR to be hideous (Scottish, Welsh and posh British accents on the Empire side piss me off to no end), I do agree that Bioware have raised the bar for story-based questing in a MMO.
Example: would you rather have a half dozen moddable smuggler jackets, so every smuggler still looks the same, or would your rather simply have an appearance tab. (I'd rather have both right now.)
2. Agree with the main point. However TOR offers nothing else other than combat/questing. There are no downtime systems (yet). Whereas, in other games, you might take time out to craft (for example), TOR's - still imaginative - system of crafting actually exacerbates the problem of no down-time, because your crew does everything for you, leaving you free to continue shooting small critters and listening to bad Mary Poppins accents.
(Oh, and don't say 'roleplay'. Roleplaying is an activity added into the game environment by players, not by the game system. TOR currently offers ZERO RP features.)
3. Agreed. It's 50% cut-scenes, 50% combat. And there in lies the problem. Where's the rest of the game? Where are the speeder races, lively cantinas, chairs to sit in, pazaak, Galactic News Network bulletins, the EXPLORATION, etc etc etc... Perhaps I am an older, more cynical gamer nowadays, but I'm sorry to say that the game feels a lot like 150 million dollars worth of bad acting, with a sort of half-assed WoW tacked on to the end. And such limited functionlity in a modern AAA MMO of this caliber and budget SHOULD BE unacceptable.
4. Like everything, the voice acting is subjective. I find some of it hilarious, a lot of it so bad I'm not sure if I should laugh or feel racially insulted, and some of it just too bland to be anything but spacebar-worthy. But as I said, Bioware did raise the bar for story-telling in a MMO. Although, I played some Red Dead Redemption last night, and the voice acting quality blows the crap out of TOR's.
5. Agreed. TOR looks nothing like WoW.
However, just as the game's critics need to stop hiding behind their personal opinions (which is a rediculous thing to demand), TOR diehards need to stop hiding behind such statements as, "lol, game just came out, give it a chance!". That's equally as harmful to our gaming genre. When did we all start blindly accepting mediocrity, half-finished games, sub-par sytems, and features that simply should be there?
And finally, the disclaimer: all opinions are equally valid and equally useless. I don't hate you because of yours.
Personally, I will subscribe to the game for a while, because it is enjoyable, despite it's lack of features that I desire, because I appreciate that MMOs need time to grow, and I am curious to see what Bioware will make of TOR in the future.
well.. having played FFXIV at release for 2 months... I can cut him some slack ;p
You mean good single player games like SKYRIM, Zelda, Arkham City, Dead Island, Deus Ex:HR, Demon Soul, BF3,MW3 etc etc?
Really not a very good analogy.
More realisitically people would have to be logging into a bowling forum (is there such a thing) and making posts about how much bowling sucks, is boring, repetitive and the latest bowling ball brings nothing new to the table in terms of innovation. (it's still round dammit, I wanted a tetrahedron)
Yet even if they did, just like over here, other people could ignore that they were saying and not read their posts or even put them on ignore if they were so inclined.
Yet just like the OP I guess they'd create forum posst decrying the lack of moderation, and how annoying it was that people posted negative comments about the game (it's called forum PVP folks, time to learn to play if you're going to hang here) and fail to realize, people like reading this stuff, sort of like a good train wreck or a bad reality TV show.
While some of what people post is misleading, heck totally untrue in many cases, part of the blame for that especially pre-launch is due to Bioware's insistance on keeping the NDA in place for far too long which leads to rampant speculation by the player base. It was in their power to fix this but chose not to.
Another problem with the OP is many of the innovations and improvements he's calling out are not actually all that innovative, or are something that is a matter of personal preference more than an actual new benefit.
A lot of the OP is about the story driven content, but many players prefer to make their own story in MMORPG's, and not have something read to them. SWTOR isprobably not the game for them then, because Bioware was totally open from the beginning on that score and no one can be surprised by how it turned out.
I had hoped for better in the PVP department, they kept that one pretty close to the vest right up to release, and rightfully so, there's really not much new or innovative there considering that the war between factions was really what the IP is all about. Shame the game doesn't revolve arround that conflict more, seems more like an afterthought but sort of makes sense, its hard to design for both PVE and PVP, and usually a choice has to be made. (though Mythic found a way around that many years ago, no one seems to recall that lesson)
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I'm going to the forums to hear both sides of the coin. Why people like of dislike the game. Either side should clearly not overdo it, but I dislike the fact the attention is alway to the 'hater' and not toward the 'fanboys' who lie and scream just as hard, but more positive about the game in question. Both side a equally unconstructive.
Now if people in the game actually scream like that then I would go to GMs and complain about this. This is however not the game. This is a forum about MMO's with are discussed. For a discussion to happen you need people who agree AND disagree else the point of the forums would be useless.
all the points in the OP are good and valid. The game simply is not as innovating as some wanted/expected, it is a timesink (he did not even try to deny that...then how is it even misleading? It's does not make it better because most other MMOs have it), the game has a lot of cutscene and people dislike it. Now clearly those numbers are not right and everyone knows that and people find voice acting annoying.
Do not get me wrong I disagree with most of the points. I am liking the game, cutscenes, the time sink, the story etc, but that does not mean i expect everyone to think the same or tell them that there OPINION is misleading. In fact when I post here I expect and even want people to disagree with me. Clearly I hope a smart and well written response, but you know not everyone can do that and some people simply want to troll.
Report them and hope the moderator think the same.
Just curious, is it that the British Isles accents are poorly done, or that the Empire has too many of them?
Which of those games have come out in the past month? Wasn't Skyrim, I was bored of that a month ago. Funny it was the first you mentioned, because I almost added "except Skyrim" but decided against it.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Actually it is more like...
A bunch of guys hanging out down the street at Dunkin Donuts and complaining about how lame Bowling is and how it would have been better if they didn't open another Bowling Alley and maybe opened something new and different like Paintball. Then the Bowlers are walking by and feel the need to stop in and argue that Bowling is the best thing ever and that they would never play Paintball, that Paintball is only for people that live in their Mom's basement.
MMORPG is a game site that happens to have a very outspoken community, you aren't required to read the forums to Play SWTOR or any other game. There is no reason to come to the forums unless you want to read what other people think, you can play anything you want and be blissfully ignorant or disinterested.
If you come here to the forums and make an opinionate post then be preapred for a fight and don't go off all self important and dismissive when everyone doesn't agree with you.
In my opinion, most of them are just poorly done. One of the Imp vendors sounds like Simon Cowell for f*cks sake.. Obviously it was a conscious design decision (Republic =Team America, Empire/Sith=James Bond villains), but it's so overly done and cheesy, that I'm starting to just roll my eyes when the dialogue starts. I have yet to experience the whole game, so I can't say if it's like this all the way, but I would have liked to have seen some other European accents thrown in, some asian or middle eastern.. or just plain old un-accented vocals.
But when you're standing infront of an Imperial captain who is desparately trying to stop the attacks on his outpost, and he sounds more like he should be selling you raisin bread and mead in the Shire, it bugs me..
Edit: or to make my point more relative to the game at hand, it breaks my suspension of disbelief. I stop feeling immersed in the Star Wars universe, and feel more like I am listening to some weird 'trekkie' at a sci-f con in Wales..
Heh, I recall that, running my newly created Elf all throught the Wetlands to get over to Ironforge and being chased relentlessly by spiders in particular as I ran along the path. (and died a few times).
Another memorable moment is when my son and I wanted to get to places like Stranglethorn Vale we swam there from Westfall, there were a couple of other long adventures like that.
No, discovery is what MMO's are all about, and while having fast travel is important, it should only occur after the initial discovery and still take some amount of time. (instantaneous travel should be used sparingly)
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
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Ok that is not offensive at all. LOL
I bet if they had used other accents say asian, middle eastern or french, german..there would be people still complaining about it. You just can not make everyone happy no matter what you do.
I'm only pleasantly surprised that for the first time the people her don't bash the game as much as they do in the game forums of swtor. There's really garbage going on there, mostly of disgrunted swg, wow and eve players me thinks..