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77lolmac77
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One word: Funcom
but really as cool as this game looks, and I want it to succeed, I have a hard time believing anything from Funcom. After the AoC debacle my confidence in them as a whole is just not there. And it's not like the background and lore wasn't there, a lot of people are into the Conan stuff, it's just the game itself was lacking. Only thing they got right was graphics and that goes to show that graphics alone wont keep people playing.
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Its easy for the simple minded to get caught up on things they have no purpose discussing. As terrible as most elements from AOC were, some were game changers. The 'combo' directional combat system was inovative, large scale city building was near unheard of at that magnitude as well.
So its just tacky to sit here and bash a game based off your past experience with the company. In this day and age MMOs all come with open betas, allowing people to test a game before they pay.
To do what youre doing is just pathetic, let the game speak for itself, not the pimply nerds who wanted to be Conan so bad that they hate Funcom for AOC's problems. The industry is fickle, but never more so then the community.
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The "innovative" combo system was a gimmick at best. Based on the fact that no AAA developer has deemed it a decent enough gimmick to impliment in an MMO since probably means most agree with me. The game had promise but was a pretty huge bust by almost every conceivable metric.
He gave his reservations based on the fact that it's from a company that doesn't have a great track record and you basically crucify him. People pass judgement on all sorts of things based on the company that is producing them, which is based on past experiences with said company and their product. You are just being a gigantic troll and you would do the whole site a favor if you waited another 6 years to post another mess like this.
Also, SWTOR is one of the most anticipated MMO releases in a long time and guess what, no open beta.
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I actually thought the combat in AoC was the best part, its the reason i stayed int hat game.
Your kind of thinking gets us tab target macroed skill combat like in rift.
I will say that the AoC combat was terribly untill much later on when your combos opend up. The spellweaving for the demonologist (spell casters version of combo) was phenominal once you learned how to do it right.
It was diffrent, it did make things a bit more tricky, and thats why i liked it. Reason no other AAA themepark company has copied it is because most gamers dont like change, like easy boring combat, and dislike new things.
My hopes is that TSW retains some of the combat from AoC, i dont want tab target macro combat where i can be facing the wrong way or behind an object and still ab le to DPS race. Make things a bit challanging. Given the lead developer, if he really is sticking to his AO roots, this shouldnt be an issue for this game.
How can we forget if every day you guys bash funcom, even more than they hype their games.
Gimmicky or not it was still the most enjoyable melee combat i've played. The only disappointment that they never worked it and spellweaving together like it originally was planned.
I was there for the whole AoC debacle, and I'm over it. The Secret World is interesting enough to entice me to give them another chance, and Ragnar has stated that he understands the concerns people have with Funcom. He's not looking to repeat the process. This game has been in development for a very long time, and I think they learned a lot from the past.
Frankly, I don't care if Funcom pissed in my cornflakes. TSW makes SWTOR look like a board game when it comes to depth.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
The innovative combo system was the best improvement to the generic combat mechanics that we've seen yet. The problem that they faced was actually trying to take on too much, and in the end started compensating by removing or abandoning things. Funcom is one of the few developers that is actually willing to challenge the status quo, and jumping all over them because they didn't master it right off the bat shows you're nothing more then just another mindless troll, no matter how much you'd like to think people respect your opinion.
So, is it ok to assume that Bioware will never product a decent MMO ever then? I mean, take a serious look at how people are responding to SWTOR. I don't think it will fail, but there are alot of unhappy posters making threads and posts about how disappointed they are. And these are first post trolls either. I'm talking about people that have been part of the community for years and hundreds of posts. These are people that wanted SWTOR to do great, that wanted it to be their game.
So maybe thats why there is no beta for SWTOR. Maybe the game isn't anything more then a one trick pony, and if they beta'd it then everyone would already have seen the trick.
TSW is a new game, and it will and up being measured by it's own merit. Funcom is challenging the MMO market to bring something new to the plate, but if you want to grief them because they didn't roll out AoC as perfectly as they wanted to, then just go back to WoW. Go play the exact same game you've played for years, and take your opinion and swallow them, because you obviously don't want to support a developer who will try and improve the market.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
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what depth is that? go kill x amount of this go kill y amount of that, rinse repeat, its same crap as other mmo.Using the decisions of AAA developers as a basis for whether or not something is good is total idiocy, LOL. The combat system in AoC was amazing. Much much better than tab target like WoW, which takes almost no player skill.
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AoC's combat system was a work of genius IMO. It cracked, split and impaled most other games (even single player RPG's) systems and, though I do not play it anymore, I have grand memories of butchering Picts and Vanir in the barbaric way Conan himself would have been proud of. Say what you will about Funcom, but knocking AoC's entertaining combat is just daft. AoC is the most underated MMO of all time. I'd say 99% who bash it STILL never played the thing once it got fixed up and pretty much bug free. AoC remains the closest MMO we'll get to an online version of Skyrim, and thats a thing to say, given its age.
Not only is AoC combat brutal, its just too much fricking FUN.
I don't care much for Funcom as a company. Come to think of it, I can't really think of a company I care for at all. But I do like these devs.
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There is also one fact we have to face. from what ive seen there are practically no other companies willing to try something different. so yeah people can pick on funcom for messing up afew games, but when you try to do something different your bound to screw it up afew times.
No other company is trying in the slightest to be different. they cling to the same cookie cutter as everyone else. Funcoms being different, Great i have more faith in them than any other gaming company simply because they are being different.
Because i can.
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We are -still- on the Funcom thing?
Meh, I'm keeping an eye on it. Funcom pretty much guaranteed I will never purchase one of their products out the gate but still worth following. I'll keep perusing info as it filters out to make a determination if it may be a game worth getting at some point.
I'm not going to completely write them off. Just extremely wary of them considering how awful AoC was handled, managed, and updated when it launched. Not to mention the game was in no condition to have been launched. One would hope they learned from that debacle though.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
yeah sorry to say it here, but if you are going to base hwo good or bad a game is by the past bad facts of laaunches alone (disgarding the fact that many of their games are stll running and well liked, as well as made.), then i would prefer you to not play or even show interest in them. The launch is such a minor thign really honestly, as you can have a horrid launch but then turn it around and be the perfect mmo trully as one is not tied to the other. Look back at console games of the past many of the games that came to be come classics, had rough times, and bad companies alot fo the time but are here and better for it. Either get over your history/company biased issues, or just do not play as you will not be impressed or not impressed as well as making for less posts abotu how bad or issue the game release was to you.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Sorry but its not the same team. this is being made in their Montreal Branch. im pretty sure AOC didn't come out of montreal.
Because i can.
I'm Hopeful For Every Game, Until the Fan Boys Attack My Games. Then the Knives Come Out.
Logic every gamers worst enemy.
Nice lets discuss a decent game that doesn't have a fan boi vs the world approach to it.
Yeah AOC had a bad launch, lots of bugs and stuff but they worked hard on it and fixed a lot of the major bugs and then expanded on the game quite a bit. AOC turned out to be one of the best PVE games out there from the combo system to the graphics its just so much better than your usual cookie cutter MMOS. I guess a lot of people did not give it a second chance because of the bad launch but now its f2p I advise people to give it another go you might be suprised.
So far The Secret World is the only AAA MMORG coming out next year that Im really looking forward to
Just starting to look into "TSW" again because the release is coming up in a few months. I got caught up in the AOC hype and played the game a for awhile and enjoyed it for the most part. Of course it had it's issues just like any MMO does but I will have to say that it did at least try to be different, combat combo's of course is one thing and the graphic are AAA. I don't however think anyone can bash a game just because it's Funcom. I'm sure they have learned a few things over the years and to be honest who out there is making anything epic and new? Tried SWTOR and yes they tried but I feel like I'm talking more than anything. Can anyone honestly say a company is making an epic all new mmo? The only one i see even trying is Funcom, yes they may fail as they did with AOC but give them a break everyone at least they are trying and not just throwing us a WOW clone. So I'm try TSW and hope they do well so we all can enjoy an awesome mmo and have fun. But I'm not going to blast any company for past games or for at least attemping to give us all something new.
FunCom discussion here: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/314860/AllPurpose-Funcom-Discussion-Thread.html Locking this.
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