Dude, you yourself responded to the post where the shift in conversation took place.
Are you that dense?
You can read for yourself what we were talking about and where it took place, because you yourself quoted the thread in which you responded. And then claim it was never about that. It's in the thread you yourself quoted and added to the text-body of your message.
I cannot argue with stupidity, I'm sorry. Have a good one, man.
And by the way, it's post #86. Where I'm responding to denshing. That you quoted and fell off the boat. Just like this entire thread.
Lets try this posting this again: the VGChartz numbers are, at best, A GUESS.
Compare the reported sales to the number of servers deployed.
967k 'sales' in the US and 435k 'sales' in Europe with lifetime sales of 1.6M.
Then check out the server numbers: 123 US and 91 in Europe.
If the US sales number is 'right' there should be less than 60 EU servers.
If the EU sales number is 'right' there should be over 200 US servers.
Maybe they use smaller servers for the US playing population (cough) or maybe there are tens of thousands of boxes on store shelves that don't need servers yet!
Whatever it is it would be very wrong to treat these numbers as definitive - an estimate fine but that's all. EA will post a release when the game reaches whatever they consider to be the next definitive milestone.
Lets try this posting this again: the VGChartz numbers are, at best, A GUESS.
Compare the reported sales to the number of servers deployed.
967k 'sales' in the US and 435k 'sales' in Europe with lifetime sales of 1.6M.
Then check out the server numbers: 123 US and 91 in Europe.
If the US sales number is 'right' there should be less than 60 EU servers.
If the EU sales number is 'right' there should be over 200 US servers.
Maybe they use smaller servers for the US playing population (cough) or maybe there are tens of thousands of boxes on store shelves that don't need servers yet!
Whatever it is it would be very wrong to treat these numbers as definitive - an estimate fine but that's all. EA will post a release when the game reaches whatever they consider to be the next definitive milestone.
At best it's an educated guess, but that may be stretching it. The 1.68 million includes estimated sales outside both the U.S. and Europe. It does not include digital sales. The servers are not region locked so people from all over the world could be playing on the U.S. servers. That whole line of conjecture about server numbers is groundless. I'm sure there are a lot of boxes on shelves in odd places but they don't figure into anything. None of these numbers are even close to definitive. What's more they're several days old.
And because we don't know their methods to draw conclusions on data or where they get their data in various cases we can't really tell if in this case digital sales are included in their estimation. What might make them more accurate is the fact that the game released only in US and EU.
Anyway, this is so big release, that they might have put some real effort to those numbers and reach about 10% accuracy. It would throw the sales to somewhere between 1.4-1.9m.
Don't know, but to be on the safe side we could say SW:TOR sold 1-10000000 on year 2011
@gervaise1: We will never find out how many boxes are left to shelves. In shops I visit there's still Aion, Rift, WoW, SW:TOR boxes. Heck, there was AoC and WAR boxes in some stores just few months ago.
The most golden was when I went to a clerk in one store and told that APB was shutdown and it might raise problem if they really sold that box to someone
vgchartz is a site run by a 20 something year old kid.
Years ago he use to be a hardcore Xbox fanboy on the neogaf forums. He was so bad at making up fake sales numbers and trying to pass them off as real that the mods permabanned him from the site and even the mention of his site or name will get you banned.
After gettting permabanned from neogaf, the little punk went off and created his fake sales number site so he could spam his inflated Xbox sales numbers without getting banned.
His fake sales numbers aren't 'estimates'.
His fake sales numbers aren't 'guesses'.
He doesn't do 'tracking'.
He is just some loser sitting at home at his mom's house typing fake numbers into his computer and uploading them to his sad little website.
I have no idea what this means to these fake SWTOR sales numbers. But one may be certain that if the little punk is a fan of SWTOR the numbers are inflated. If the little punk is a fanboy of another MMORPG the numbers are certainly massively low.
NPD or other legitimate retail tracking firms are the only numbers anyone should care about.
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Dude, you yourself responded to the post where the shift in conversation took place.
Are you that dense?
You can read for yourself what we were talking about and where it took place, because you yourself quoted the thread in which you responded. And then claim it was never about that. It's in the thread you yourself quoted and added to the text-body of your message.
I cannot argue with stupidity, I'm sorry. Have a good one, man.
And by the way, it's post #86. Where I'm responding to denshing. That you quoted and fell off the boat. Just like this entire thread.
Lets try this posting this again: the VGChartz numbers are, at best, A GUESS.
Compare the reported sales to the number of servers deployed.
967k 'sales' in the US and 435k 'sales' in Europe with lifetime sales of 1.6M.
Then check out the server numbers: 123 US and 91 in Europe.
If the US sales number is 'right' there should be less than 60 EU servers.
If the EU sales number is 'right' there should be over 200 US servers.
Maybe they use smaller servers for the US playing population (cough) or maybe there are tens of thousands of boxes on store shelves that don't need servers yet!
Whatever it is it would be very wrong to treat these numbers as definitive - an estimate fine but that's all. EA will post a release when the game reaches whatever they consider to be the next definitive milestone.
And because we don't know their methods to draw conclusions on data or where they get their data in various cases we can't really tell if in this case digital sales are included in their estimation. What might make them more accurate is the fact that the game released only in US and EU.
Anyway, this is so big release, that they might have put some real effort to those numbers and reach about 10% accuracy. It would throw the sales to somewhere between 1.4-1.9m.
Don't know, but to be on the safe side we could say SW:TOR sold 1-10000000 on year 2011
@gervaise1: We will never find out how many boxes are left to shelves. In shops I visit there's still Aion, Rift, WoW, SW:TOR boxes. Heck, there was AoC and WAR boxes in some stores just few months ago.
The most golden was when I went to a clerk in one store and told that APB was shutdown and it might raise problem if they really sold that box to someone
vgchartz is a site run by a 20 something year old kid.
Years ago he use to be a hardcore Xbox fanboy on the neogaf forums. He was so bad at making up fake sales numbers and trying to pass them off as real that the mods permabanned him from the site and even the mention of his site or name will get you banned.
After gettting permabanned from neogaf, the little punk went off and created his fake sales number site so he could spam his inflated Xbox sales numbers without getting banned.
His fake sales numbers aren't 'estimates'.
His fake sales numbers aren't 'guesses'.
He doesn't do 'tracking'.
He is just some loser sitting at home at his mom's house typing fake numbers into his computer and uploading them to his sad little website.
I have no idea what this means to these fake SWTOR sales numbers. But one may be certain that if the little punk is a fan of SWTOR the numbers are inflated. If the little punk is a fanboy of another MMORPG the numbers are certainly massively low.
NPD or other legitimate retail tracking firms are the only numbers anyone should care about.