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  • superniceguysuperniceguy Member UncommonPosts: 2,278

    Originally posted by nikoliath

    Originally posted by Vegetto

    Its UK prime time on a friday and im the only guild member online, my tally of seeing other people is at 2, one ironically was on my friends list :O.

    I would switch servers, but apparenly its 'Heavy', i got the short straw i think, never had a group, won a wwarzone or spoke more than few lines of chat to anyone who answers back. wtf :/

    I play on a US pvp server, twin spires... It's busy all round the clock.

    Looking at server populations now, US servers are Light / Standard with a few at Heavy. EU servers are Standard to Very Heavy, with one or two at FULL, no Light servers at all, they were that about 5-8 hours ago as well, EU servers are more populated than US servers, unless US servers hold more people?

    Half the servers of both EU and US were at FULL around the 19th/20th Dec - populations are going down.

  • dubyahitedubyahite Member UncommonPosts: 2,483

    Originally posted by superniceguy

    Originally posted by nikoliath


    Originally posted by Vegetto

    Its UK prime time on a friday and im the only guild member online, my tally of seeing other people is at 2, one ironically was on my friends list :O.

    I would switch servers, but apparenly its 'Heavy', i got the short straw i think, never had a group, won a wwarzone or spoke more than few lines of chat to anyone who answers back. wtf :/

    I play on a US pvp server, twin spires... It's busy all round the clock.

    Looking at server populations now, US servers are Light / Standard with a few at Heavy. EU servers are Standard to Very Heavy, with one or two at FULL, no Light servers at all, they were that about 5-8 hours ago as well, EU servers are more populated than US servers, unless US servers hold more people?

    Half the servers of both EU and US were at FULL around the 19th/20th Dec - populations are going down.

    This doesn't mean that the subscriber base is going down. It just means that people are playing less or not at the same times as they were during the holidays and around launch.  This is expected.  

     

    The light, standard, heavy on the server status page doesn't mean much. We don't even really have a good idea of how many people that is or how they are measuring it.  

     

    The only number that matters is subscriptions.  The servers are plenty populated right now. It's easy to find groups, my guild is growing, etc. New people are still coming into the game. We will see about subs next month probably, and none of this wild speculation will matter. 

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  • GweyrGweyr Member Posts: 93

    Originally posted by superniceguy

    Originally posted by nikoliath


    Originally posted by Vegetto

    Its UK prime time on a friday and im the only guild member online, my tally of seeing other people is at 2, one ironically was on my friends list :O.

    I would switch servers, but apparenly its 'Heavy', i got the short straw i think, never had a group, won a wwarzone or spoke more than few lines of chat to anyone who answers back. wtf :/

    I play on a US pvp server, twin spires... It's busy all round the clock.

    Looking at server populations now, US servers are Light / Standard with a few at Heavy. EU servers are Standard to Very Heavy, with one or two at FULL, no Light servers at all, they were that about 5-8 hours ago as well, EU servers are more populated than US servers, unless US servers hold more people?

    Half the servers of both EU and US were at FULL around the 19th/20th Dec - populations are going down.

    Or the USA and Europe are in different time zones and have different peak times?

    It's just a bit after 6 PM EST here on the east coast so people are just getting home from work so USA peak times are just starting up and will peak in like 3-4 hours when rge west coast folks get home and log in.

  • superniceguysuperniceguy Member UncommonPosts: 2,278

    Originally posted by Gweyr

    Originally posted by superniceguy


    Originally posted by nikoliath


    Originally posted by Vegetto

    Its UK prime time on a friday and im the only guild member online, my tally of seeing other people is at 2, one ironically was on my friends list :O.

    I would switch servers, but apparenly its 'Heavy', i got the short straw i think, never had a group, won a wwarzone or spoke more than few lines of chat to anyone who answers back. wtf :/

    I play on a US pvp server, twin spires... It's busy all round the clock.

    Looking at server populations now, US servers are Light / Standard with a few at Heavy. EU servers are Standard to Very Heavy, with one or two at FULL, no Light servers at all, they were that about 5-8 hours ago as well, EU servers are more populated than US servers, unless US servers hold more people?

    Half the servers of both EU and US were at FULL around the 19th/20th Dec - populations are going down.

    Or the USA and Europe are in different time zones and have different peak times?

    It's just a bit after 6 PM EST here on the east coast so people are just getting home from work so USA peak times are just starting up and will peak in like 3-4 hours when rge west coast folks get home and log in.



    Like I said EU servers were like that with 0 Light servers 5-8 hours ago which matched US time timezones, and the point was the person I quoted said it was busy around the clock - guess not!

    On Dec 19th/Dec 20th even half of US servers were full, 2-3 hours ago from the time of this posts creation, for them to drop down that much in a short space of time, is not looking good, unless they increased the capacities of the servers by allowing more instancing?

  • TorgrimTorgrim Member CommonPosts: 2,088

    Originally posted by ShakyMo

    Many people are playing it as a RPG not a MMO

     

    Its a good RPG

    Its a average seen it all before MMO

     

    That's the funny part isn't it, even the big gaming reviwers are reviewing this game as a singleplayer game including this site and rate it as great, how fucked up is that, it's a frikkin MMO review as such.

    If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  • AnubisanAnubisan Member UncommonPosts: 1,798

    Originally posted by Torgrim

    Originally posted by ShakyMo

    Many people are playing it as a RPG not a MMO

    Its a good RPG

    Its a average seen it all before MMO

    That's the funny part isn't it, even the big gaming reviwers are reviewing this game as a singleplayer game including this site and rate it as great, how fucked up is that, it's a frikkin MMO review as such.

    Maybe they actually like it as, you know, an MMO...

    I know I do. Its really not so complicated... and it isn't a conspiracy. Most of us consider the game to be quite good. We get it that many of you don't. You know what? We don't care.

    Time to move on...

  • Fenrir767Fenrir767 Member Posts: 595

    I don't see any Mass Exodus from the game all I see is reality setting back in where people may be a still playing multiple MMO's so saying goodbye to friends in other games which some people in my guild are, they play WoW and SWTOR until their WoW time is done and also it's back to work for most people so yeah this time of year there is a huge drop off as people get their reality check, students go back to college and travel etc, etc lots of reasons for the servers to be a lot less heavy at this time of year let's see what things are like at the end of the month and you will have something a lot more telling.

  • TorgrimTorgrim Member CommonPosts: 2,088

    Originally posted by Anubisan

    Originally posted by Torgrim


    Originally posted by ShakyMo

    Many people are playing it as a RPG not a MMO

    Its a good RPG

    Its a average seen it all before MMO

    That's the funny part isn't it, even the big gaming reviwers are reviewing this game as a singleplayer game including this site and rate it as great, how fucked up is that, it's a frikkin MMO review as such.

    Maybe they actually like it as, you know, an MMO...

    I know I do. Its really not so complicated... and it isn't a conspiracy. Most of us consider the game to be quite good. We get it that many of you don't. You know what? We don't care.

    Time to move on...

     

    This not about opinions if you like the game or not and you know it so stop the old its an option argument.

    If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  • fiontarfiontar Member UncommonPosts: 3,682

    Originally posted by superniceguy

    Originally posted by Gweyr


    Originally posted by superniceguy


    Originally posted by nikoliath


    Originally posted by Vegetto

    Its UK prime time on a friday and im the only guild member online, my tally of seeing other people is at 2, one ironically was on my friends list :O.

    I would switch servers, but apparenly its 'Heavy', i got the short straw i think, never had a group, won a wwarzone or spoke more than few lines of chat to anyone who answers back. wtf :/

    I play on a US pvp server, twin spires... It's busy all round the clock.

    Looking at server populations now, US servers are Light / Standard with a few at Heavy. EU servers are Standard to Very Heavy, with one or two at FULL, no Light servers at all, they were that about 5-8 hours ago as well, EU servers are more populated than US servers, unless US servers hold more people?

    Half the servers of both EU and US were at FULL around the 19th/20th Dec - populations are going down.

    Or the USA and Europe are in different time zones and have different peak times?

    It's just a bit after 6 PM EST here on the east coast so people are just getting home from work so USA peak times are just starting up and will peak in like 3-4 hours when rge west coast folks get home and log in.



    Like I said EU servers were like that with 0 Light servers 5-8 hours ago which matched US time timezones, and the point was the person I quoted said it was busy around the clock - guess not!

    On Dec 19th/Dec 20th even half of US servers were full, 2-3 hours ago from the time of this posts creation, for them to drop down that much in a short space of time, is not looking good, unless they increased the capacities of the servers by allowing more instancing?

    The game is a lot emptier and PVP wait times are a lot longer, so I'm thinking that things are actually dying off, rather than it being a change in the server load reporting metrics. I've seen less fall off at the end of week two in MMOs that have ended up hemoraging subscribers by the end of the second month. I don't see any of this as a positive sign for the game.

    The servers already feel empty enough under full load, because of how spread out the population is. A lot of servers are going to feel like ghost towns pretty soon, which is not going to be good for the ongoing enthusiasm of those that remain.

    Over the top reviews by various professional gaming publications and sites aren't going to help, either, as they are raising expectaions to a point that the game can never hope to reach. Imagine being an MMO player who, after being burned by too many previous games, decides to never buy an MMO until after the first month. They see all these 90/9.0+ reviews and figure it's a safe bet that this game is worth the purchase, only to burn out on the game in two weeks, which appears to be an experience shared by many who play this game. So much for the value of those reviews.

    The game isn't hopelessly flawed, but it's definitely not going to get fixed while the game sites and fanboys have them convinced this game is the best thing since sliced bread.

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  • AbdarAbdar Member UncommonPosts: 400

    Originally posted by Torgrim

    Been reading a lot on these boards and on other gaming forums that people are leaving TOR before the free month is up, either be it at max level with fully geared toon players or people gotten bored before hitting max level.

    Have any of you seen this on your server or less logins in your guild or friends stopped playing?

     

    Getting back on track to the OP's actual question...

    I played the beta, didn't like it, didn't buy it. Each to their own.

    Of the 2 people I know who have bought it, neither are playing anymore. Both note not liking the instancing, and that its the same old same old (which is why I didn't buy it in the first place).

     

    This isn't a 'hater' reply, it's a reply to the question the OP put out there, which 80% of this thread didn't even answer.

  • TorgrimTorgrim Member CommonPosts: 2,088

    Originally posted by Abdar

    Originally posted by Torgrim

    Been reading a lot on these boards and on other gaming forums that people are leaving TOR before the free month is up, either be it at max level with fully geared toon players or people gotten bored before hitting max level.

    Have any of you seen this on your server or less logins in your guild or friends stopped playing?

     

    This isn't a 'hater' reply, it's a reply to the question the OP put out there, which 80% of this thread didn't even answer.

     

    I think my thread did step on few toes and it got derailed.

    If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685

    Originally posted by Vegetto

    I see 100's of people on every planet i goto.

    I actually see maybe 2 at most every few hours.

    This is untrue.

    I got a warrior to 30 and an agent to 42.

    There are hundreds in starter zones and up to dromund kaas (Empire side) only.  After Droum Kaas though, the player base drops off significantly.  Players just stop progressing once they get into Balmorra.  The same thing happened in Aion.  In my opinion, the instancing (sharding) doesn't help either.

  • OBK1OBK1 Member Posts: 637

    Originally posted by Vegetto

    90% (accurate figure) of my guild have stopped logging in.

    I know this for a fact as not only have me or the other couple people not seen them, but their levels haven't changed. All stopped around levels 16-25. All around last week.

    Not much interest in RP-stories then I take it? Surely you must have known what sort of game this would be before buying it? (EQ/Wow-like, but with some modernized mechanics).

    I'm a pretty casual player and my main is level 25 now and I feel like the game just gets better and better!

  • snapfusionsnapfusion Member Posts: 954

    Originally posted by Torgrim

    Been reading a lot on these boards and on other gaming forums that people are leaving TOR before the free month is up, either be it at max level with fully geared toon players or people gotten bored before hitting max level.

    Have any of you seen this on your server or less logins in your guild or friends stopped playing?

    Really?  Even though everyone I know that has tried it has continued to play and will sub, with more people I know joining all the time? 

    Yes when some people leave its a MASS EXODUS

    We also have over 60 people in our guild with more joining daily, we dont know of a single player that has quit the game yet.

    But sure ya.

  • etlaretlar Member UncommonPosts: 863

    not even a month in ? an you say that, give it 6 years like wow....no wait, you dont have the time..i lolled

  • fenistilfenistil Member Posts: 3,005

    Originally posted by OBK1

    Originally posted by Vegetto

    90% (accurate figure) of my guild have stopped logging in.

    I know this for a fact as not only have me or the other couple people not seen them, but their levels haven't changed. All stopped around levels 16-25. All around last week.

    Not much interest in RP-stories then I take it? Surely you must have known what sort of game this would be before buying it? (EQ/Wow-like, but with some modernized mechanics).

    I'm a pretty casual player and my main is level 25 now and I feel like the game just gets better and better!

    Some maybe not in "stories", but not all I think.

     

    I am very into "RP" , "stories" and "fantasy / sc-fi".  Ex- pen&paper player here, and I also played many single player crpg's (Fallout 1&2, Arcanum, Planetscape:Torment, Baldur's Gate series and many more).

     

    Still I do NOT like Swtor's story. Why? Because of HOW dialogues are made. Sorry but ALWAYS 3 same type of options (good, bad and 3 rd option in middle) and shallow dialogues + paraphrasing.

    Sorry small amount of dialogue options, shallowness and awful paraphrasing kill it for me. Never mind that sometimes dialogues are just awful like written for 12 year old - (see: ).

    So sorry.  I loved Bioware games, but since they adopted dialogue wheel and went for dialogue system like in DA2 , ME2 and now Swtor - that's really not fit my taste.

    Not to mention that imo their dialogue writting like got worse :/

     

    ---------

     

    Single player crpg part of Swtor for me is just medicore - not bad ,but just nothing spectacular. There were far better single crpg games.

  • ShivamShivam Member Posts: 465

    Originally posted by superniceguy

    Originally posted by Gweyr


    Originally posted by superniceguy


    Originally posted by nikoliath


    Originally posted by Vegetto

    Its UK prime time on a friday and im the only guild member online, my tally of seeing other people is at 2, one ironically was on my friends list :O.

    I would switch servers, but apparenly its 'Heavy', i got the short straw i think, never had a group, won a wwarzone or spoke more than few lines of chat to anyone who answers back. wtf :/

    I play on a US pvp server, twin spires... It's busy all round the clock.

    Looking at server populations now, US servers are Light / Standard with a few at Heavy. EU servers are Standard to Very Heavy, with one or two at FULL, no Light servers at all, they were that about 5-8 hours ago as well, EU servers are more populated than US servers, unless US servers hold more people?

    Half the servers of both EU and US were at FULL around the 19th/20th Dec - populations are going down.

    Or the USA and Europe are in different time zones and have different peak times?

    It's just a bit after 6 PM EST here on the east coast so people are just getting home from work so USA peak times are just starting up and will peak in like 3-4 hours when rge west coast folks get home and log in.



    Like I said EU servers were like that with 0 Light servers 5-8 hours ago which matched US time timezones, and the point was the person I quoted said it was busy around the clock - guess not!

    On Dec 19th/Dec 20th even half of US servers were full, 2-3 hours ago from the time of this posts creation, for them to drop down that much in a short space of time, is not looking good, unless they increased the capacities of the servers by allowing more instancing?

    This is what i consider peak time for US servers and at this very moment only one server is on light. 6PM pacific time onwards population only goes up, not down.

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  • OkhamsRazorOkhamsRazor Member Posts: 1,047

    Every single mmo ever released is a faliure in these forums when its released .

    If you dont believe me just look at the WoW forums and go back to some of the oldest posts .

  • kaliniskalinis Member Posts: 1,428

    no one is bailing on this game. i play usually from 2pm to 5 pm est and 11pm to 3 am est time most ime and servers are usually heavy to full with a few that used to be light going at standard. 

    So no people arent bailing on this game. They fixed how many people could be on at one time before u hit a que so when u hit the numbers u had on before u still dont get a que. 

    So no players arent leaving in droves at least not in my experiance. 

  • RaoraRaora Member Posts: 243

    Originally posted by kalinis

    no one is bailing on this game. i play usually from 2pm to 5 pm est and 11pm to 3 am est time most ime and servers are usually heavy to full with a few that used to be light going at standard. 

    So no people arent bailing on this game. They fixed how many people could be on at one time before u hit a que so when u hit the numbers u had on before u still dont get a que. 

    So no players arent leaving in droves at least not in my experiance. 

    Just got back with dinner with 6 friends, four of whom I knew were playing SWTOR. After starting to get into details I fin out that all but 1 of them were in TOR and absolutely loving the game as I am and have NO plans on leaving anytime soon. While talking I did not hear one negative comment about it. Unlike these boards.

     

     

  • Shatter30Shatter30 Member UncommonPosts: 487

    Max exodus = LOL.  My guild has over 150 people and we average 50+ every night and that has not changed, we havent lost 1 person yet.  In fact we add each day to our large roster.  Sure some people will quit before they have to start paying a sub, thats expected but the number will be minimal, most people (minus this forum which is horrible to base any judgement off of) I know are loving the game thus far.  I just hit 50 and plan to start my first alt :)

  • superniceguysuperniceguy Member UncommonPosts: 2,278

    Originally posted by kalinis

    no one is bailing on this game. i play usually from 2pm to 5 pm est and 11pm to 3 am est time most ime and servers are usually heavy to full with a few that used to be light going at standard. 

    So no people arent bailing on this game. They fixed how many people could be on at one time before u hit a que so when u hit the numbers u had on before u still dont get a que. 

    So no players arent leaving in droves at least not in my experiance. 

    The first bit there is unrealistic, saying that "no one is bailing on this game" as everyone has different tastes so some people will bail on this game.

     


    Originally posted by Raora

    Just got back with dinner with 6 friends, four of whom I knew were playing SWTOR. After starting to get into details I fin out that all but 1 of them were in TOR and absolutely loving the game as I am and have NO plans on leaving anytime soon. While talking I did not hear one negative comment about it. Unlike these boards.

     

     

    I like the game and will play it thoroughly but I do not see myself playing it once I have completed all classes and maxed them out.

    With SWG I played that solidly from July 2003 to Dec 16th 2011, and if it did not get shut down, I would have subbed and played that game forever, and with many extra accounts too. Most people who got stuck into it felt that way too. Its systems kept you hooked even once maxed out.

    I feel the same about other MMOs too, but they do seem to have more things to tinker with in game, than what SWTOR currently has. Hopefully this stuff will get added before most people have maxed their characters. In EQ2 there are tonnes of classes and races to choose from so has more longevity, and an interesting crafting system, not as good as SWG but adequate enough to play with longer than SWTOR but less than SWG.

    Basically looking at this game for short term, there is nothing wrong with it, and I have nothing negative to say about it, but looking long term there is.

  • RedKatanaRedKatana Member Posts: 211

    Originally posted by Thornrage

    Originally posted by RedKatana

    It's not that I don't like Star Wars cause I love the movies but I choose not to play a Sci Fi MMORPG and if all these are right before the free month people allready leaving then this is going to be ugly reminds me Age of Conan.

    That's right, Age of Conan was a failure. That is why it is still a game you can buy and play. That is why I spent 3 years having fun in the AoC universe. Been hearing that AoC was a failure for almost 4 years now. Want a failure? How about Tabula Rasa or Auto Assault or Hellgate ... those were failures.

    What I ment about AoC is that with release had 1mil subs and a month later had like 100k and that to me is fail.

  • MykellMykell Member UncommonPosts: 780

    I still have a queue on my server (which i am number 130 atm) so i don't see any mass exodus lol.

  • PurutzilPurutzil Member UncommonPosts: 3,048

    Lets not kid ourselves, a large amount will quit after the first month, but chances are its not going to be a 'mass exodus'. I'd say the population will probably drop about 10-20%, though its full well possible that number could be higher as well. Its really nothing strange to see as many players will find the game just is not for them. A 'mass exodus' would take a very drastic thing to happen. The game might not be that good (sorry, not going to sugar coat it, anyone not blinded by the dazzle can see the flaws) but its not awful either. Sure there are issues, but nothing that would warrent a large scale quiting of the game.

     

    Expect less after the first month? Yes, thats pretty much going to happen with any MMo release you see.  Expect a mass exodus? Not a very likely outcome.

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