Important facts: 1. Free to Play games are poorly made. 2. Casuals are not all idiots, but idiots call themselves casuals. 3. Great solo and group content are not mutually exclusive, but they suffer when one is shoved into the mold of the other. The same is true of PvP and PvE. 4. Community is more important than you think.
Originally posted by Sora2810 TOR has created a niche of gamers. The game offers a lot too some, and none to others. My suggestion, if you enjoy TOR already. Find a large guild to play with. You will enjoy it.I love TOR and have done EV twice already. I will keep my sub. If the numbers start to dwindle I will un-sub, untill then, I plan to enjoy every moment.
Same here. I'd have to agree that this game has turned out a lot more niche than I thought. I like it, but I can see how others don't. There are more than enough people that will support this game financially to keep EA happy.
I think that when a game gets a budget this big and big time backing and name recognition, people naturally expect it to be a game that everyone is going to like. Clearly that isnt the case. So the backlash will continue in these types of outbursts like we see here and on the SWTOR forums. Eventually, the ones that don't like the game will leave. Those that do will stay and will all settle in for the long haul.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
1. QUIT SHOWING HI-REZ TEXTURES WHEN TALKING ABOUT TOR! They do not exist while playing the game. This is NOT debateable. (Warning to prospective players:TOR will not look like the OP SS at all.)
2. That being said/shouted, I still enjoy the game. I have a Lvl 25 Smug and I am really digging how he plays. I plan on resubbing on the 20th and continue to unless... well we will see.
3. THAT being said, I do not like being lied to by Mr. Reid. Those that know what I'm talking about will agree. Those that don't lets just say he said a "bug" created a Texture Setting dropdown in the Menu that should not have been there. That happens ALL the time. Shows that BW knows nothing about MMOs.
As far as the future of TOR if they fix #1 and quit doing #3 then #2 will be the answer for most.
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I do not know what low rez SWTOR you have all been playing but mine looks GREAT! Maybe I am blind, or dumb, slow, etc etc, But hell, I love these graphics!
I do not know what low rez SWTOR you have all been playing but mine looks GREAT! Maybe I am blind, or dumb, slow, etc etc, But hell, I love these graphics!
Did you take a moment to look at my screen shoots?
No but i'm going to find them now.
I'll go ahead and bet that they are either from cutscenes or Beta. Watch for my edit when I find them.
EDIT: well I was wrong. The Dwarf and Beauty indeed are very Hi-rez. Again I agree that the world itself looks amazing. But the character textures are hot garbage for a 2011 AAA game.
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I can promise you this my friend, they are without a doubt my screen shots. I would never post crap like that. Just look at my profile. I tried to post them in the post, but I could not figure out how to do it.
I can promise you this my friend, they are without a doubt my screen shots. I would never post crap like that. Just look at my profile. I tried to post them in the post, but I could not figure out how to do it.
I believe you. I'm not mad or anything. I saw your TOR SS. None of them were of a character, just the world in general. Which is indeed nice to look at.
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OKay I will do this. I will go into game and take a screen of my Char. When I do that, you can tell me how low rez the textures are. I am not mad either, but if we can not deal with these graphics, then I ask all of you, what do we want in an MMO? Other then a great story with full voice acting and a dedicated team to move this mmo foreward?
The Future of the Old Republic is that the Sith ultimately lose big time. So people are joining the LOSING side voluntarily.
And every human is eventually going to die, does not mean I shouldnt live my life because I know that
...wasnt the game non-canon anyway? :P
It's technically not non-canon....the 'canon' is approved by LA, however Bioware effectively created the entire setting so they wouldn't have to deal with the 'movie canon' (which would have been a little hard to make into an MMO - I mean how do they determine which of the two players on a server are going to be Sith - not to mention every Jedi would have to be a descendant of Luke Sulkywalker - and I want none of that crap )
OKay I will do this. I will go into game and take a screen of my Char. When I do that, you can tell me how low rez the textures are. I am not mad either, but if we can not deal with these graphics, then I ask all of you, what do we want in an MMO? Other then a great story with full voice acting and a dedicated team to move this mmo foreward?
Ahh I see. You are misunderstanding the issue here.
The issue is that hi-rez textures (HRT) were in the game during Beta. All SS and videos make to promote how great TOR will be used HRT. Then before the last Beta event they took them our for whatever reason, while leaving the "High" setting in-game. When game launched and is was painfully obvious that something was wrong Mr. Reid first said that it was on our end. The next day he blamed a "bug" for having a "medium" setting in the first place. Obvious nonscense.
The hue and cry is because we are being lied to about the lack of HRT when we KNOW they existed before.
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Okay I got a char screen and I will post it. For some reason beyond me I cannot post it in this post, but it does make its way to my profile somehow. Anyway, just look at my char screen. It is as nice looking as you could need it to look!! Really, it is. Anyway, I uploaded a screen called, "My Char'. Look at that. It's awesome, just like the graphics are awesome. To me at least.
I do not remember seeing those posts about HRT's and all that at all, and I was a beta tester. All I know is that from early beta to now, is that the graphics look the same. So I am confused!! I do not remember them saying anything about HRT's. I only thought they were seeking to give everyone, no matter what rig, a fair shake graphically wise at this awesome game.
Okay I got a char screen and I will post it. For some reason beyond me I cannot post it in this post, but it does make its way to my profile somehow. Anyway, just look at my char screen. It is as nice looking as you could need it to look!! Really, it is. Anyway, I uploaded a screen called, "My Char'. Look at that. It's awesome, just like the graphics are awesome. To me at least.
Different strokes I guess.
IMHO that SS supports what I am saying. Look at the armor apperance on your "Dwarf" and "beauty" SS. Then look at "My Char" and tell me that your armor does not look washed out as hell.
If you will take a notice to the chain mail there, Rift's chain mail looks all washed out as well. Seriously, are you trying to make a point of that armor to what my Sith is wearing? Really? Did you max the pics there? I would so no. But you are correct Sir, different strokes. I am not here to make anyone love or hate this game. I am only here to make a point in the graphics of SWTOR. That is all. To me, they are done very well.
Hopefully the future holds a whole lot of bug fixes, and I mean a ton. Don't even waste your time with new content until you fix all the broken shit you already have. This game is a turd. lol
Great game. Fewer bugs than most other MMO's at launch. Enjoying my time listening to people cry at bugs and lack of features for a game not even a month old.
OK article. I am enjoying the game and am planning on staying subbed for the time being (we will see in the future with GW2 and my personal omg I cant fukn wait game etc etc Archage)
The odd thing is I am an EVE freak and old orig UO guy from release no less etc and an ex wow raider who now can't stand the sound of someone saying warcraft without my skin crawling. Yet I am enjoying TOR something crazy lol. I like the story, I like the cutscenes< I dont spacebar all that much through it. Ihave about 12 chars on 4 servers all between levels 20 and 40 (differant freinds / diff servers) and in no rush whatsoever to get to 50.
The engine optimization sucks, the pvp is fairly terrible in general (in thoery and practice) still themepark (and I don't care for themeparks all that much) yet I still like it......I play eve so yeah I can handle a few big lies every couple of days (the texture things) The space missions are 1980 arcade stuff yet fun, the ship is your in game housing so to speak. can't do anything with it but IT IS nice to have lol.
WTF is wrong with me? I wanted to play a wookie and I thiought the star wars movies sucked balls. Why is this game fun for me? No idea.... but it is Least for now anyway.
Oh and I play with it at 1900 res and everything on MAX at a steady 90-110 fps rate and my game looks pretty fucking nice. So yeah they are lying pos for the res texture crap but ....
The game looks pretty fucking nice lol.
Oh ps: Yes in the 3 turret pvp bg (tired forget the name) when you get everyone going at it on the center cannon my sound goes on the fritz and my framerate comes to a screeching halt. That is my big bitch. Huttball is fine no matter what , the ship one ...voidstar? I never play I just exit out of it cause its a retarded bg.
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Fantastic game! I'm rapidly converting to fanbois status. Looking forward to how it evolves over the next few years.
I'm looking forward to Chapter 4
Important facts:
1. Free to Play games are poorly made.
2. Casuals are not all idiots, but idiots call themselves casuals.
3. Great solo and group content are not mutually exclusive, but they suffer when one is shoved into the mold of the other. The same is true of PvP and PvE.
4. Community is more important than you think.
Same here. I'd have to agree that this game has turned out a lot more niche than I thought. I like it, but I can see how others don't. There are more than enough people that will support this game financially to keep EA happy.
I think that when a game gets a budget this big and big time backing and name recognition, people naturally expect it to be a game that everyone is going to like. Clearly that isnt the case. So the backlash will continue in these types of outbursts like we see here and on the SWTOR forums. Eventually, the ones that don't like the game will leave. Those that do will stay and will all settle in for the long haul.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
And every human is eventually going to die, does not mean I shouldnt live my life because I know that
...wasnt the game non-canon anyway? :P
SO.... When do we get free flight?
I want to PILOT a fighter, not Ride a roller coaster.
More misleading advertsing, who would of thought.
I'm jumping in here to add to the chaos!
1. QUIT SHOWING HI-REZ TEXTURES WHEN TALKING ABOUT TOR! They do not exist while playing the game. This is NOT debateable. (Warning to prospective players:TOR will not look like the OP SS at all.)
2. That being said/shouted, I still enjoy the game. I have a Lvl 25 Smug and I am really digging how he plays. I plan on resubbing on the 20th and continue to unless... well we will see.
3. THAT being said, I do not like being lied to by Mr. Reid. Those that know what I'm talking about will agree. Those that don't lets just say he said a "bug" created a Texture Setting dropdown in the Menu that should not have been there. That happens ALL the time. Shows that BW knows nothing about MMOs.
As far as the future of TOR if they fix #1 and quit doing #3 then #2 will be the answer for most.
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I do not know what low rez SWTOR you have all been playing but mine looks GREAT! Maybe I am blind, or dumb, slow, etc etc, But hell, I love these graphics!
Blind, obviously not. Dumb, prolly not. Slow, nope.
But you ARE playing at best a "medium" rez TOR. At best.
BTW, we are talking about Character textures, not world textures. I'll even admit the world in general looks beautiful.
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Did you take a moment to look at my screen shoots?
No but i'm going to find them now.
I'll go ahead and bet that they are either from cutscenes or Beta. Watch for my edit when I find them.
EDIT: well I was wrong. The Dwarf and Beauty indeed are very Hi-rez.
Again I agree that the world itself looks amazing. But the character textures are hot garbage for a 2011 AAA game.
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I can promise you this my friend, they are without a doubt my screen shots. I would never post crap like that. Just look at my profile. I tried to post them in the post, but I could not figure out how to do it.
I believe you. I'm not mad or anything. I saw your TOR SS. None of them were of a character, just the world in general. Which is indeed nice to look at.
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OKay I will do this. I will go into game and take a screen of my Char. When I do that, you can tell me how low rez the textures are. I am not mad either, but if we can not deal with these graphics, then I ask all of you, what do we want in an MMO? Other then a great story with full voice acting and a dedicated team to move this mmo foreward?
It's technically not non-canon....the 'canon' is approved by LA, however Bioware effectively created the entire setting so they wouldn't have to deal with the 'movie canon' (which would have been a little hard to make into an MMO - I mean how do they determine which of the two players on a server are going to be Sith - not to mention every Jedi would have to be a descendant of Luke Sulkywalker - and I want none of that crap
)
Just played for 14 hours )
I don't know what all the trolling is about. The game is great and definitely better than anything on the market.
I can't wait for the new content even though I havent even scratched the surface with my 50
Ahh I see. You are misunderstanding the issue here.
The issue is that hi-rez textures (HRT) were in the game during Beta. All SS and videos make to promote how great TOR will be used HRT. Then before the last Beta event they took them our for whatever reason, while leaving the "High" setting in-game. When game launched and is was painfully obvious that something was wrong Mr. Reid first said that it was on our end. The next day he blamed a "bug" for having a "medium" setting in the first place. Obvious nonscense.
The hue and cry is because we are being lied to about the lack of HRT when we KNOW they existed before.
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Okay I got a char screen and I will post it. For some reason beyond me I cannot post it in this post, but it does make its way to my profile somehow. Anyway, just look at my char screen. It is as nice looking as you could need it to look!! Really, it is. Anyway, I uploaded a screen called, "My Char'. Look at that. It's awesome, just like the graphics are awesome. To me at least.
I do not remember seeing those posts about HRT's and all that at all, and I was a beta tester. All I know is that from early beta to now, is that the graphics look the same. So I am confused!! I do not remember them saying anything about HRT's. I only thought they were seeking to give everyone, no matter what rig, a fair shake graphically wise at this awesome game.
Different strokes I guess.
IMHO that SS supports what I am saying. Look at the armor apperance on your "Dwarf" and "beauty" SS. Then look at "My Char" and tell me that your armor does not look washed out as hell.
As far as your second post look here:http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=167957
I'm off to play Skyrim for a few hours. Maybe that is my problem. Anything short of actual reality pales in comparison to skyrim!
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If you will take a notice to the chain mail there, Rift's chain mail looks all washed out as well. Seriously, are you trying to make a point of that armor to what my Sith is wearing? Really? Did you max the pics there? I would so no. But you are correct Sir, different strokes. I am not here to make anyone love or hate this game. I am only here to make a point in the graphics of SWTOR. That is all. To me, they are done very well.
Hopefully the future holds a whole lot of bug fixes, and I mean a ton. Don't even waste your time with new content until you fix all the broken shit you already have. This game is a turd. lol
Great game. Fewer bugs than most other MMO's at launch. Enjoying my time listening to people cry at bugs and lack of features for a game not even a month old.
Hmmm wonder how we can smell a troll? Not by your Sig of course.
OK article. I am enjoying the game and am planning on staying subbed for the time being (we will see in the future with GW2 and my personal omg I cant fukn wait game etc etc Archage)
The odd thing is I am an EVE freak and old orig UO guy from release no less etc and an ex wow raider who now can't stand the sound of someone saying warcraft without my skin crawling. Yet I am enjoying TOR something crazy lol. I like the story, I like the cutscenes< I dont spacebar all that much through it. Ihave about 12 chars on 4 servers all between levels 20 and 40 (differant freinds / diff servers) and in no rush whatsoever to get to 50.
The engine optimization sucks, the pvp is fairly terrible in general (in thoery and practice) still themepark (and I don't care for themeparks all that much) yet I still like it......I play eve so yeah I can handle a few big lies every couple of days (the texture things) The space missions are 1980 arcade stuff yet fun, the ship is your in game housing so to speak. can't do anything with it but IT IS nice to have lol.
WTF is wrong with me? I wanted to play a wookie and I thiought the star wars movies sucked balls. Why is this game fun for me? No idea.... but it is
Least for now anyway.
Oh and I play with it at 1900 res and everything on MAX at a steady 90-110 fps rate and my game looks pretty fucking nice. So yeah they are lying pos for the res texture crap but ....
The game looks pretty fucking nice lol.
Oh ps: Yes in the 3 turret pvp bg (tired forget the name) when you get everyone going at it on the center cannon my sound goes on the fritz and my framerate comes to a screeching halt. That is my big bitch. Huttball is fine no matter what , the ship one ...voidstar? I never play I just exit out of it cause its a retarded bg.