So what i get from this is that it is better to have a black market driven by hacking/duping and theft completley out of any ones controll then a legit source were Blizzard can monitor and support the user when something goes wrong? Because paying with real cash for tiems happen in the earlier Diablo games... No point in pretending like it did not. So it is not like this is a new invention.
But by all means, support the idea och black market trading and free for all scamming... It is a great motivation to protect... well i am not sure what you are trying to protect.
YOU are exactly what i'm talking about when I refer to the attitude of "If you can't beat them, JOIN THEM!!!!!!!".
Let's stop and imagine for a second if Batman felt as you do: "i can put them away, Joker, Two-face, Scarecrow, I can put them away at Arkham, they will break out and I will stop them, beat them up, and put them back in. But since they will never truly stay there, because crime will never stop no matter my actions taken, i'm going to give up. Instead of fighting crime i will become a part of it, and i will do it BETTER, legally, legitimately, on such a scale that I and I alone will control all of Gotham City so that there is no room for the other villains and they will have to go else where like Metropolis (i.e. another MMO)."
Sure the evil and criminal acts will remain but now it's done by a source we once (and apparently still do) regard(ed) as a hero. But I axe you, is it still heroic? Feeding greed and corruption and making success a measure of wealth and not skill or patience or practice or any other virtue? We truly live in an entitled age of instant gratification.
And let us all ignore the slippery slope this presents. The future of gaming: intermittent rewards for brainwashing combined with micro-transactions for those who can afford and need a quick fix. Why even make the game portion of this? Why not just make D3 be a lobby where randomly while logged in you are given items for an avatar and the longer you "play" the greater the quality of the random items you are given become and you just buy and sell trademarket style the items you get (maybe south korea's idea of gambling isn't that far off) for max profits!!!!
Tell you what, though. If you can conquer each and every argument I put forward here, then I will totally and completely change my opinion about this game. I still won't buy it, but that's neither here nor there.
I love the idea of RMT. It will be legal and controlled. You might be able to make a bit off buck with your hobby. How is that not cool?
Forget it. You won't make a single coin. There is no way you are going to be able to compete against the Korean and Chinese farmers (who will just buy their game abroad and use the RMT anyway).
Or they could, y'know... design the game in a way where you can buy the items with in-game currency and keep my real money the hell out of the equation?
Oh, that's right we are in the F2P era now arent we? Where it's finally been accepted as an acceptable form of gaming after so many companies have exploited. Oh and look, how nice of Blizzard to take advantage of the turning stigma towards it, only to drag it back to it's greedy first incarnation.
/golfclap
"The problem with quotes from the Internet is that it's almost impossible to validate their authenticity." - Abraham Lincoln
This whole bots thing is a null argument, the requirement to always being online when playing D3 will almost (I did say almost) rules out any kind of effective botting - the reason being the online requirement is not there for pure DRM reasons, D3's game content other than art/sound is not stored on the client it's streamed to the player from the D3 servers;
mobs spawns
Special/random events/Items
Loot drops
Dungeon layouts
Player saved/banks/items
Due to this it will be very hard to create a bot to farm anything but normal difficulty very slowly.
Botting worked well in D1/D2 because it was all stored on the client and there isn't any real kind of anti-bottong system in place, where by D3 I am sure will use a WoW's wardens system.
As to the RMTAH - its only a problem cus Blizzard have have introduced it, if it was announced for swtor or gw2 people would be screaming "what a great idea". - Bottom line don't use it.
LOL?!
the requirement to always being online when playing D3 will almost (I did say almost) rules out any kind of effective botting.
Every MMO to ever release would beg to differ lol. You're on an MMORPG forum so I would assume you've played one or two, if you have then you know that the above statement is false and could be nothing but false.
The way I see it, its just Blizzard claiming a cut from the item selling sites. Its an obvious corrupt system. They basically promote item farmers, gold farmers, bots and anything akin to those, who used to sell on third party sites, but now Activis- I mean Blizzard gets a cut of the money. I can promise that Blizzard won't be banning any people for botting for items, or duping them to sell it on the RMAH.
really? Are you serious? Do you honestly think that having RMT will discourage farmers, bots and the like?
No it wont, quite the opposite. But it will discourage spammers and suspicious web sites.
Still, lets hope they back with the Western versions as well. RMT have nothing to do in a game like Diablo.
How? They will simply advertise lower prices than others. This deters nothing lol and simply makes it more likely people will fall for those suspicious websites because they offer the same thing cheaper and...... theres no reason not to because Blizzard is fine with the RMT aspect.
No...They will just put things on the blizzard auction house at a very cheap price. That way they have a much wider potnetial customer base using an in game, and secured system. The amount of people who will give money through a system run by blizzard is MUCH higher, I'd wadger, than the number of people who would give their credit card into to some random diablo 3 items for sale website. The cut blizzard will take will most likely be an acceptable cost to reach that wider market.
So what i get from this is that it is better to have a black market driven by hacking/duping and theft completley out of any ones controll then a legit source were Blizzard can monitor and support the user when something goes wrong? Because paying with real cash for tiems happen in the earlier Diablo games... No point in pretending like it did not. So it is not like this is a new invention.
But by all means, support the idea och black market trading and free for all scamming... It is a great motivation to protect... well i am not sure what you are trying to protect.
People that can think things through would see that this isn't going to control the black market that utilizes hacking and duping. What it WILL do is increase the amount of people that use such sites. It will increase the number of phishing and hacking attempts because there is more to gain.
It increases all the negative behavoir you believe it will control and thats the only thing it can do there is no hope of this lessening any of this.
All this was intended to do is give Blizz a cut of the money. It doesn't help the players.
Seriously sit down and think this thing through, how does this help players?
Players can make money? Wrong, few will but most will not be able to compete with the prices set by RMTs. Some will get items from employees farming endlessly while others will obtain goods to sale by hacking accounts and stealing passwords. If you believe a single individual can realisticly compete with that then your kidding yourselves.
Now if Blizzard were smart they would pull an APB. Players could sell items on the market place for Blizz Cash. Blizz cash can only be used in Blizzard games like WoW, D3, etc. You can pay for game time for games like WoW, use it on the market place, etc.
That I would support.
Not this crap that does nothing to help anyone but Blizzard and the RMTs.
Sure the evil and criminal acts will remain but now it's done by a source we once (and apparently still do) regard(ed) as a hero. But I axe you, is it still heroic? Feeding greed and corruption and making success a measure of wealth and not skill or patience or practice or any other virtue? We truly live in an entitled age of instant gratification.
And let us all ignore the slippery slope this presents. The future of gaming: intermittent rewards for brainwashing combined with micro-transactions for those who can afford and need a quick fix. Why even make the game portion of this? Why not just make D3 be a lobby where randomly while logged in you are given items for an avatar and the longer you "play" the greater the quality of the random items you are given become and you just buy and sell trademarket style the items you get (maybe south korea's idea of gambling isn't that far off) for max profits!!!!
Tell you what, though. If you can conquer each and every argument I put forward here, then I will totally and completely change my opinion about this game. I still won't buy it, but that's neither here nor there.
1:st Argument: Yes this is a valid standpoint in most games that introduce a cash shop after release. But in the case of Diablo the problem is already there, since there have been a RMT community in Diablo for several years now. So you do not loose any measure of skill and patince with the system in Diablo 3 since the option to pay for gear have always been there. The only difference is that now you can get help if you are scammed as long as you use Blizzards way. And let's be honest valor and heroism have never had anything to do with running a company.
2:nd argument: The slippery slope, Well sad to say you already at the bottom end of that slope. Micro transactions are a fact and they work very well. Why, well because the people born in the late 70's and the 80's do not have as much time any more.. But they do have more money so they pay for convineice.. Just like how you go to the store and buy meat instead of taking your favourite kitchen knife to the woods and try to lay waste to a deer. Your second part of the argument... Well it still seems that most gamers want to.. Game.. So while you just as well could have a system that at random intervals gave you the option to roll a dice and get rewards, removing the game component would not work (well i am pretty sure it would at some level as people wold make a game out of it to collect stuff.) But it woudl not work as a adventure game.
Now do i care if you are "won over" by my arguments, not one iota (but i like a challange) but no matter of how weak my argumenst are yours are pure speculation and in the real world a company would go for my line over yours every day, better to try and protect the user from a system they can not force away then to turn a blind eye and say "na na na na does not happen na na na"
@grayghost: Well you do have a point. But the thing is that this problem will happen any way. Want thet sword of epic kill kaboom... It cost you 100M gold... You have three options.. earn it/buy gold/buy it of the black market 2 of 3 can get you banned. Or you can have earn it/buy gold/black market/BAH now only 2 of 4 can get you banned and thus you might have saved a few idiots from them self.
It is worth a try, and if it does not work you can always PM me and laugh in my face.
but im a lazy f***er that just plays games this RMT is why i will buy and play D3 after i beat story that is but yhaa i would love to make money for grinding and it be legal !
I love the idea of RMT. It will be legal and controlled. You might be able to make a bit off buck with your hobby. How is that not cool?
Forget it. You won't make a single coin. There is no way you are going to be able to compete against the Korean and Chinese farmers (who will just buy their game abroad and use the RMT anyway).
Players from other continents can't post goods in the RMAH. The access to the RMAH is region bound.
So your Korean/china boy will have to move to EU or US. )
Ever heard of such things like Proxy or VPN?
Region bound thing does not matter one bit lol , well not to farmers / botters/ gold sellers anyway. It is so easy to 'get around' region IP block that it is almost silly.
This whole bots thing is a null argument, the requirement to always being online when playing D3 will almost (I did say almost) rules out any kind of effective botting - the reason being the online requirement is not there for pure DRM reasons, D3's game content other than art/sound is not stored on the client it's streamed to the player from the D3 servers;
mobs spawns
Special/random events/Items
Loot drops
Dungeon layouts
Player saved/banks/items
Due to this it will be very hard to create a bot to farm anything but normal difficulty very slowly.
Botting worked well in D1/D2 because it was all stored on the client and there isn't any real kind of anti-bottong system in place, where by D3 I am sure will use a WoW's wardens system.
As to the RMTAH - its only a problem cus Blizzard have have introduced it, if it was announced for swtor or gw2 people would be screaming "what a great idea". - Bottom line don't use it.
So, you're saying there's no bots in WOW, PW, FW and so on? ...
Programs for botting in wow are almost as old as the game itself... It's not that hard to make a program which controlls your character in a way you would controll it and make a "complicated algorithm" of seeing the enemy, targeting it, killing it, looting it and continuing... To refill your HP and mana when it's at 30% and move on. It's that easy.
"Happiness is not a destination. It is a method of life." -------------------------------
I love the idea of RMT. It will be legal and controlled. You might be able to make a bit off buck with your hobby. How is that not cool?
Forget it. You won't make a single coin. There is no way you are going to be able to compete against the Korean and Chinese farmers (who will just buy their game abroad and use the RMT anyway).
Players from other continents can't post goods in the RMAH. The access to the RMAH is region bound.
So your Korean/china boy will have to move to EU or US. )
I consider a system where players are able to sell virtual goods they craft/find in a Role Playing Game very good.
It surely beats the lame selling of Designer weapons in pure cash shops.
If you don't want to join this new and alternative system of free to play: no problem: just pay for desinger controlled cash shops or pay mindlessly 15 bucks of subscription money.
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It is the first time that a dropped item will give money to players and by this mechanic I am very interested in playing it.
win/win.
1st... Region boundaries are easily bypassed with VPNs... All you gotta do is download some free program or get info for VPN connection.
2nd... Free to play? Free to play would mean you get the game FOR FREE and you play the game FOR FREE without any additional cost necessary (unless it offers some cash shop and you want to buy stuff from it). By this, diablo is not free to play, since it will cost you a pretty penny to carry it out of the retail shop. There's alos this RMT where you can sell stuff (yes, it's good if you picture eutopia without any chineese gold sellers), but it will mostly be P2W system after a few weeks. This game will be plauged with chineese sellers and since blizzard supports the shop they won't be able to ban them or something (just because they are greedy enough and want their hands on every penny they can get).
"Happiness is not a destination. It is a method of life." -------------------------------
So what i get from this is that it is better to have a black market driven by hacking/duping and theft completley out of any ones controll then a legit source were Blizzard can monitor and support the user when something goes wrong? Because paying with real cash for tiems happen in the earlier Diablo games... No point in pretending like it did not. So it is not like this is a new invention.
But by all means, support the idea och black market trading and free for all scamming... It is a great motivation to protect... well i am not sure what you are trying to protect.
People that can think things through would see that this isn't going to control the black market that utilizes hacking and duping. What it WILL do is increase the amount of people that use such sites. It will increase the number of phishing and hacking attempts because there is more to gain.
It increases all the negative behavoir you believe it will control and thats the only thing it can do there is no hope of this lessening any of this.
All this was intended to do is give Blizz a cut of the money. It doesn't help the players.
Seriously sit down and think this thing through, how does this help players?
Players can make money? Wrong, few will but most will not be able to compete with the prices set by RMTs. Some will get items from employees farming endlessly while others will obtain goods to sale by hacking accounts and stealing passwords. If you believe a single individual can realisticly compete with that then your kidding yourselves.
Now if Blizzard were smart they would pull an APB. Players could sell items on the market place for Blizz Cash. Blizz cash can only be used in Blizzard games like WoW, D3, etc. You can pay for game time for games like WoW, use it on the market place, etc.
That I would support.
Not this crap that does nothing to help anyone but Blizzard and the RMTs.
I suggest that you take your own advise ... and think this through. How many are going to go to some shady 3rd party site, and take the risk of malware or any number of other risks, when they can use the in game AH, which is secured *server* side by Blizzard? This IS about protecting the players, and if Blizzard takes a small cut from the transaction in the process, so much the better. This IS a business after all.
When all is said and done, those who object to an either/or dynamic (in this case, time/money), have the option of not playing games that use that dynamic. It really is that simple.
So what i get from this is that it is better to have a black market driven by hacking/duping and theft completley out of any ones controll then a legit source were Blizzard can monitor and support the user when something goes wrong? Because paying with real cash for tiems happen in the earlier Diablo games... No point in pretending like it did not. So it is not like this is a new invention.
But by all means, support the idea och black market trading and free for all scamming... It is a great motivation to protect... well i am not sure what you are trying to protect.
People that can think things through would see that this isn't going to control the black market that utilizes hacking and duping. What it WILL do is increase the amount of people that use such sites. It will increase the number of phishing and hacking attempts because there is more to gain.
It increases all the negative behavoir you believe it will control and thats the only thing it can do there is no hope of this lessening any of this.
All this was intended to do is give Blizz a cut of the money. It doesn't help the players.
Seriously sit down and think this thing through, how does this help players?
Players can make money? Wrong, few will but most will not be able to compete with the prices set by RMTs. Some will get items from employees farming endlessly while others will obtain goods to sale by hacking accounts and stealing passwords. If you believe a single individual can realisticly compete with that then your kidding yourselves.
Now if Blizzard were smart they would pull an APB. Players could sell items on the market place for Blizz Cash. Blizz cash can only be used in Blizzard games like WoW, D3, etc. You can pay for game time for games like WoW, use it on the market place, etc.
That I would support.
Not this crap that does nothing to help anyone but Blizzard and the RMTs.
I suggest that you take your own advise ... and think this through. How many are going to go to some shady 3rd party site, and take the risk of malware or any number of other risks, when they can use the in game AH, which is secured *server* side by Blizzard? This IS about protecting the players, and if Blizzard takes a small cut from the transaction in the process, so much the better. This IS a business after all.
When all is said and done, those who object to an either/or dynamic (in this case, time/money), have the option of not playing games that use that dynamic. It really is that simple.
The won't have to go to some 3rd party site because the 3rd party will come to them, and the 4th and the 5th and the 6th.... and so on. This game will be plagued with chineese farmers and hackers, it will have the most attacks on players accounts because they will be in danger of someone stealing their information. The man said it right and you're claiming again it's for players protection xD.
It IS ment only for blizzard and it's because they want some money out of it. They tried to fight chineese farmers in wow but it's just too many of them (let's face it, they are afterall chineese) so they just gave up and stood by there side. If nothing they could pull some money out of it, eh?...
It's a nice tought that PLAYERS would be able to sell stuff to eachother trough this shop. But since there will be more farmers, hackers and scammers than actual players it's not that nice anymore.
It will be plagued and it will happen fast.
"Happiness is not a destination. It is a method of life." -------------------------------
I love the idea of RMT. It will be legal and controlled. You might be able to make a bit off buck with your hobby. How is that not cool?
Forget it. You won't make a single coin. There is no way you are going to be able to compete against the Korean and Chinese farmers (who will just buy their game abroad and use the RMT anyway).
Players from other continents can't post goods in the RMAH. The access to the RMAH is region bound.
So your Korean/china boy will have to move to EU or US. )
Ever heard of such things like Proxy or VPN?
Region bound thing does not matter one bit lol , well not to farmers / botters/ gold sellers anyway. It is so easy to 'get around' region IP block that it is almost silly.
Blizzard tracks and compares the IP adresses from their clients and home addresses since 6 months. If there is a sudden change in IP's and that differs too much from the original user adresses, they block the account with an automated rule these days. It is to avoid theft from outside.
I guess you didn't know that one. Also to start collecting and pay out, you'll need an address that fits with the region you are playing in WITH an authentification/identity.
But in the end no gold maffia can control a 1 million player base on ONE region based AH. You simply can't control it since the player numbers will be that huge.
If there is anyone hurt with this mechanic it IS the gold maffia since they can no longer control the price settings.
A central 1 million players economy is simply too big to be controlled. --- See stock market trading.
Forget the traditional 3K player AH's, this one has 1 million players trading per region in their local currency.
For God's sake, I wish people would think things like this through before posting. Who gives a shit if Blizzard compares the IPs and bans them, unless they can do it within seconds it's irrelevant. Do you know how much money could be made in the time it would take for them to sift through the IPs of the people playing, find the ones worth banning, and follow through with it? One would think the damage would already be done by then, no?
This is their (gold farmers) job, they have nothing better to do, so it doesn't matter if they get banned, they just make a new account and start all over. The price of a box is nothing compared to the money there is to be made.
EDIT: By the way, it's not unheard of for Gold Farming companies to be run by American business. Ever heard of outsourcing? Just because the people farming the gold are Asian doesn't mean the people cashing out are as well.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
For God's sake, I wish people would think things like this through before posting. Who gives a shit if Blizzard compares the IPs and bans them, unless they can do it within seconds it's irrelevant. Do you know how much money could be made in the time it would take for them to sift through the IPs of the people playing, find the ones worth banning, and follow through with it? One would think the damage would already be done by then, no?
This is their (gold farmers) job, they have nothing better to do, so it doesn't matter if they get banned, they just make a new account and start all over. The price of a box is nothing compared to the money there is to be made.
It is not within seconds it is within miliseconds... on distances as short as 50 kms ...
)) It is an automated tool/script they installed around 6 months ago.
I tested it with a friend: his account was blocked in a second. Fully automated.
edit: the "victim" gets an email that his account is blocked due to suspicious IP access within seconds.
The access is blocked for X time and reactiviation is necessary with a new pasword.
Now look who isn't "up to date" ... ))
so this would mean if I play the game in the evening at my home, and early tomorrow I'm on a bussines trip to another country and I log in to the game at noon when I get there (I happen to have few hours to spare before I can met the person I have arranged meeting with) I'll get a ban instantly?
I'm sure a lot of people are traveling this days on a daily basis eh?
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and if Blizzard takes a small cut from the transaction in the process, so much the better.
Why do most of the players ignore that it is not only Blizzard, it's Ebay (through Paypal). For me, this makes it even worse, but I am one of thos idealistic guys who think it is a good thing to NOT support companies with questionable policies (= paypal)
and if Blizzard takes a small cut from the transaction in the process, so much the better.
Why do most of the players ignore that it is not only Blizzard, it's Ebay (through Paypal). For me, this makes it even worse, but I am one of thos idealistic guys who think it is a good thing to NOT support companies with questionable policies (= paypal)
You don't have to cash out (use paypal) you can keep the money in your Blizzard account and use it to buy wow subscriptions and stuff from blizzard shop.
But you also dont have to use the RMAH either. Why is everyone getting so worked up over this?
So what i get from this is that it is better to have a black market driven by hacking/duping and theft completley out of any ones controll then a legit source were Blizzard can monitor and support the user when something goes wrong? Because paying with real cash for tiems happen in the earlier Diablo games... No point in pretending like it did not. So it is not like this is a new invention.
But by all means, support the idea och black market trading and free for all scamming... It is a great motivation to protect... well i am not sure what you are trying to protect.
People that can think things through would see that this isn't going to control the black market that utilizes hacking and duping. What it WILL do is increase the amount of people that use such sites. It will increase the number of phishing and hacking attempts because there is more to gain.
It increases all the negative behavoir you believe it will control and thats the only thing it can do there is no hope of this lessening any of this.
All this was intended to do is give Blizz a cut of the money. It doesn't help the players.
Seriously sit down and think this thing through, how does this help players?
Players can make money? Wrong, few will but most will not be able to compete with the prices set by RMTs. Some will get items from employees farming endlessly while others will obtain goods to sale by hacking accounts and stealing passwords. If you believe a single individual can realisticly compete with that then your kidding yourselves.
Now if Blizzard were smart they would pull an APB. Players could sell items on the market place for Blizz Cash. Blizz cash can only be used in Blizzard games like WoW, D3, etc. You can pay for game time for games like WoW, use it on the market place, etc.
That I would support.
Not this crap that does nothing to help anyone but Blizzard and the RMTs.
I suggest that you take your own advise ... and think this through. How many are going to go to some shady 3rd party site, and take the risk of malware or any number of other risks, when they can use the in game AH, which is secured *server* side by Blizzard? This IS about protecting the players, and if Blizzard takes a small cut from the transaction in the process, so much the better. This IS a business after all.
When all is said and done, those who object to an either/or dynamic (in this case, time/money), have the option of not playing games that use that dynamic. It really is that simple.
The won't have to go to some 3rd party site because the 3rd party will come to them, and the 4th and the 5th and the 6th.... and so on. This game will be plagued with chineese farmers and hackers, it will have the most attacks on players accounts because they will be in danger of someone stealing their information. The man said it right and you're claiming again it's for players protection xD.
It IS ment only for blizzard and it's because they want some money out of it. They tried to fight chineese farmers in wow but it's just too many of them (let's face it, they are afterall chineese) so they just gave up and stood by there side. If nothing they could pull some money out of it, eh?...
It's a nice tought that PLAYERS would be able to sell stuff to eachother trough this shop. But since there will be more farmers, hackers and scammers than actual players it's not that nice anymore.
It will be plagued and it will happen fast.
It IS for the players protection. Its also for Blizzards profit... ^^ Its in Blizzards best interests to keep the accounts secure, and to keep the profits flowing in. I've no doubt that there will be a LOT of effort put into subverting the system, but Blizzard isn't some small indie game company with limited resources... Blizzard can afford to hire the most talented people, and purchase the most advanced hardware in the world. Its going to be an interesting arms race.
From what I understand about the new system, the majority of sensitive data remains *server* side. Its an established fact that anything client side is vulnerable (one has to consider it to be in the hands of the enemy). Moving the RMT in house makes it easier to control, and also makes it over all safer for the players. It also makes Blizzard some profit as well, but then this is a business. Over all, I'd much rather such things be handled in house, than through some shady 3rd party site.
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YOU are exactly what i'm talking about when I refer to the attitude of "If you can't beat them, JOIN THEM!!!!!!!".
Let's stop and imagine for a second if Batman felt as you do: "i can put them away, Joker, Two-face, Scarecrow, I can put them away at Arkham, they will break out and I will stop them, beat them up, and put them back in. But since they will never truly stay there, because crime will never stop no matter my actions taken, i'm going to give up. Instead of fighting crime i will become a part of it, and i will do it BETTER, legally, legitimately, on such a scale that I and I alone will control all of Gotham City so that there is no room for the other villains and they will have to go else where like Metropolis (i.e. another MMO)."
Sure the evil and criminal acts will remain but now it's done by a source we once (and apparently still do) regard(ed) as a hero. But I axe you, is it still heroic? Feeding greed and corruption and making success a measure of wealth and not skill or patience or practice or any other virtue? We truly live in an entitled age of instant gratification.
And let us all ignore the slippery slope this presents. The future of gaming: intermittent rewards for brainwashing combined with micro-transactions for those who can afford and need a quick fix. Why even make the game portion of this? Why not just make D3 be a lobby where randomly while logged in you are given items for an avatar and the longer you "play" the greater the quality of the random items you are given become and you just buy and sell trademarket style the items you get (maybe south korea's idea of gambling isn't that far off) for max profits!!!!
Tell you what, though. If you can conquer each and every argument I put forward here, then I will totally and completely change my opinion about this game. I still won't buy it, but that's neither here nor there.
Forget it. You won't make a single coin. There is no way you are going to be able to compete against the Korean and Chinese farmers (who will just buy their game abroad and use the RMT anyway).
Please get rid of the RMT for the English version too. Otherwise, I have no interest in it.
Or they could, y'know... design the game in a way where you can buy the items with in-game currency and keep my real money the hell out of the equation?
Oh, that's right we are in the F2P era now arent we? Where it's finally been accepted as an acceptable form of gaming after so many companies have exploited. Oh and look, how nice of Blizzard to take advantage of the turning stigma towards it, only to drag it back to it's greedy first incarnation.
/golfclap
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For me RMT sounds good.Although we have to try it first in order to have an opinion on this and if works smoothly.
RMT for Diablo3 will occur without official implementation regardless. Don't see how it matters.
I approve of South Korean board to remove RMAH from their version.
I would support similar move from my country board.
Anyway. I am not buying Diablo 3 anyway. RMAH is one of biggest reason, though not only one.
LOL?!
the requirement to always being online when playing D3 will almost (I did say almost) rules out any kind of effective botting.
Every MMO to ever release would beg to differ lol. You're on an MMORPG forum so I would assume you've played one or two, if you have then you know that the above statement is false and could be nothing but false.
The way I see it, its just Blizzard claiming a cut from the item selling sites. Its an obvious corrupt system. They basically promote item farmers, gold farmers, bots and anything akin to those, who used to sell on third party sites, but now Activis- I mean Blizzard gets a cut of the money. I can promise that Blizzard won't be banning any people for botting for items, or duping them to sell it on the RMAH.
This.
No...They will just put things on the blizzard auction house at a very cheap price. That way they have a much wider potnetial customer base using an in game, and secured system. The amount of people who will give money through a system run by blizzard is MUCH higher, I'd wadger, than the number of people who would give their credit card into to some random diablo 3 items for sale website. The cut blizzard will take will most likely be an acceptable cost to reach that wider market.
People that can think things through would see that this isn't going to control the black market that utilizes hacking and duping. What it WILL do is increase the amount of people that use such sites. It will increase the number of phishing and hacking attempts because there is more to gain.
It increases all the negative behavoir you believe it will control and thats the only thing it can do there is no hope of this lessening any of this.
All this was intended to do is give Blizz a cut of the money. It doesn't help the players.
Seriously sit down and think this thing through, how does this help players?
Players can make money? Wrong, few will but most will not be able to compete with the prices set by RMTs. Some will get items from employees farming endlessly while others will obtain goods to sale by hacking accounts and stealing passwords. If you believe a single individual can realisticly compete with that then your kidding yourselves.
Now if Blizzard were smart they would pull an APB. Players could sell items on the market place for Blizz Cash. Blizz cash can only be used in Blizzard games like WoW, D3, etc. You can pay for game time for games like WoW, use it on the market place, etc.
That I would support.
Not this crap that does nothing to help anyone but Blizzard and the RMTs.
1:st Argument: Yes this is a valid standpoint in most games that introduce a cash shop after release. But in the case of Diablo the problem is already there, since there have been a RMT community in Diablo for several years now. So you do not loose any measure of skill and patince with the system in Diablo 3 since the option to pay for gear have always been there. The only difference is that now you can get help if you are scammed as long as you use Blizzards way. And let's be honest valor and heroism have never had anything to do with running a company.
2:nd argument: The slippery slope, Well sad to say you already at the bottom end of that slope. Micro transactions are a fact and they work very well. Why, well because the people born in the late 70's and the 80's do not have as much time any more.. But they do have more money so they pay for convineice.. Just like how you go to the store and buy meat instead of taking your favourite kitchen knife to the woods and try to lay waste to a deer. Your second part of the argument... Well it still seems that most gamers want to.. Game.. So while you just as well could have a system that at random intervals gave you the option to roll a dice and get rewards, removing the game component would not work (well i am pretty sure it would at some level as people wold make a game out of it to collect stuff.) But it woudl not work as a adventure game.
Now do i care if you are "won over" by my arguments, not one iota (but i like a challange) but no matter of how weak my argumenst are yours are pure speculation and in the real world a company would go for my line over yours every day, better to try and protect the user from a system they can not force away then to turn a blind eye and say "na na na na does not happen na na na"
@grayghost: Well you do have a point. But the thing is that this problem will happen any way. Want thet sword of epic kill kaboom... It cost you 100M gold... You have three options.. earn it/buy gold/buy it of the black market 2 of 3 can get you banned. Or you can have earn it/buy gold/black market/BAH now only 2 of 4 can get you banned and thus you might have saved a few idiots from them self.
It is worth a try, and if it does not work you can always PM me and laugh in my face.
This have been a good conversation
but im a lazy f***er that just plays games this RMT is why i will buy and play D3 after i beat story that is but yhaa i would love to make money for grinding and it be legal !
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Ever heard of such things like Proxy or VPN?
Region bound thing does not matter one bit lol , well not to farmers / botters/ gold sellers anyway. It is so easy to 'get around' region IP block that it is almost silly.
So, you're saying there's no bots in WOW, PW, FW and so on? ...
Programs for botting in wow are almost as old as the game itself... It's not that hard to make a program which controlls your character in a way you would controll it and make a "complicated algorithm" of seeing the enemy, targeting it, killing it, looting it and continuing... To refill your HP and mana when it's at 30% and move on. It's that easy.
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1st... Region boundaries are easily bypassed with VPNs... All you gotta do is download some free program or get info for VPN connection.
2nd... Free to play? Free to play would mean you get the game FOR FREE and you play the game FOR FREE without any additional cost necessary (unless it offers some cash shop and you want to buy stuff from it). By this, diablo is not free to play, since it will cost you a pretty penny to carry it out of the retail shop. There's alos this RMT where you can sell stuff (yes, it's good if you picture eutopia without any chineese gold sellers), but it will mostly be P2W system after a few weeks. This game will be plauged with chineese sellers and since blizzard supports the shop they won't be able to ban them or something (just because they are greedy enough and want their hands on every penny they can get).
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I suggest that you take your own advise ... and think this through. How many are going to go to some shady 3rd party site, and take the risk of malware or any number of other risks, when they can use the in game AH, which is secured *server* side by Blizzard? This IS about protecting the players, and if Blizzard takes a small cut from the transaction in the process, so much the better. This IS a business after all.
When all is said and done, those who object to an either/or dynamic (in this case, time/money), have the option of not playing games that use that dynamic. It really is that simple.
The won't have to go to some 3rd party site because the 3rd party will come to them, and the 4th and the 5th and the 6th.... and so on. This game will be plagued with chineese farmers and hackers, it will have the most attacks on players accounts because they will be in danger of someone stealing their information. The man said it right and you're claiming again it's for players protection xD.
It IS ment only for blizzard and it's because they want some money out of it. They tried to fight chineese farmers in wow but it's just too many of them (let's face it, they are afterall chineese) so they just gave up and stood by there side. If nothing they could pull some money out of it, eh?...
It's a nice tought that PLAYERS would be able to sell stuff to eachother trough this shop. But since there will be more farmers, hackers and scammers than actual players it's not that nice anymore.
It will be plagued and it will happen fast.
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For God's sake, I wish people would think things like this through before posting. Who gives a shit if Blizzard compares the IPs and bans them, unless they can do it within seconds it's irrelevant. Do you know how much money could be made in the time it would take for them to sift through the IPs of the people playing, find the ones worth banning, and follow through with it? One would think the damage would already be done by then, no?
This is their (gold farmers) job, they have nothing better to do, so it doesn't matter if they get banned, they just make a new account and start all over. The price of a box is nothing compared to the money there is to be made.
EDIT: By the way, it's not unheard of for Gold Farming companies to be run by American business. Ever heard of outsourcing? Just because the people farming the gold are Asian doesn't mean the people cashing out are as well.
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so this would mean if I play the game in the evening at my home, and early tomorrow I'm on a bussines trip to another country and I log in to the game at noon when I get there (I happen to have few hours to spare before I can met the person I have arranged meeting with) I'll get a ban instantly?
I'm sure a lot of people are traveling this days on a daily basis eh?
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Why do most of the players ignore that it is not only Blizzard, it's Ebay (through Paypal). For me, this makes it even worse, but I am one of thos idealistic guys who think it is a good thing to NOT support companies with questionable policies (= paypal)
You don't have to cash out (use paypal) you can keep the money in your Blizzard account and use it to buy wow subscriptions and stuff from blizzard shop.
But you also dont have to use the RMAH either. Why is everyone getting so worked up over this?
You CANNOT cash out, from what I´ve read.
As with most cash shops once you turn currency into virtual Blizzard currency, there is no way back to RL currency.
It IS for the players protection. Its also for Blizzards profit... ^^ Its in Blizzards best interests to keep the accounts secure, and to keep the profits flowing in. I've no doubt that there will be a LOT of effort put into subverting the system, but Blizzard isn't some small indie game company with limited resources... Blizzard can afford to hire the most talented people, and purchase the most advanced hardware in the world. Its going to be an interesting arms race.
From what I understand about the new system, the majority of sensitive data remains *server* side. Its an established fact that anything client side is vulnerable (one has to consider it to be in the hands of the enemy). Moving the RMT in house makes it easier to control, and also makes it over all safer for the players. It also makes Blizzard some profit as well, but then this is a business. Over all, I'd much rather such things be handled in house, than through some shady 3rd party site.