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Unsubbed from SWTOR, trying out Rift.

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  • snapfusionsnapfusion Member Posts: 954

    To each his own, I was bored silly with rift at level 30 and literally had to force myself to end game only to find a mostly dull and annoying raiding experience.   My interest in SWTOR has grown with every level now approaching 50. 

    It seemed in Rift there absolutely nothing to look forward to from zone to zone just been there done that environements, human elf dwarf races, magic swords and bows.

     

  • spookymiaspookymia Member UncommonPosts: 57

    Originally posted by NBlitz

    I wonder if there was something subliminal inserted into TOR that makes one want to try out Rift.

    While playing TOR I kept thinking "hmm, I might want to give Rift another try."

    So weird! 

    Spoooky! I've been thinking about trying Rift ever since playing SWTOR aswell, even though I find it really hard to get into fantasy genre games.

  • vtravivtravi Member UncommonPosts: 400

    I left Swtor as well. It is a ok game but I got bored with every toon when I got into the 20's. I have 4 toons lvl 18-28 and just didn't like the game enough to keep going. So I gabe Rift another shot. I played the first few months and then went back to LOTRO (until ROI came out and will never play that game again).

    After playing Swtor for a couiple of months (beta and 1 month after release) I can't believe how much more I am enjoying Rift. I feel everyone should play Swtor before playing Rift. The game seems sooo much more polished. It has a UI that works!! The game is so much more fun and not to mention wayyyy better looking. So I am thrilled I gave Rift another chance. I am not sure if I am in for the long haul but I am loving it so far.

  • PuremallacePuremallace Member Posts: 1,856

    Originally posted by snapfusion

    To each his own, I was bored silly with rift at level 30 and literally had to force myself to end game only to find a mostly dull and annoying raiding experience.   My interest in SWTOR has grown with every level now approaching 50. 

    It seemed in Rift there absolutely nothing to look forward to from zone to zone just been there done that environements, human elf dwarf races, magic swords and bows.

    Here is what I notice for the past 5 years just my observation

    WoW released everyone rushed from EQ as Sony made one bad decision after another

    WAR was next I think everyone went there then rushed back..WAR went nich

    AOC was next I think? everyone rushed and went back

    Aion launched everyone went then went back

     

    Here is where it changed around late 2010 and going into 2012:

    League of Legends released and people stayed

    Rift launched and people stayed

    TOR launched and people stayed..yes they willn stay maybe not omgwtf 12 million, but yeah

    GW2 launches and people stay

    Archage launches and people stay

    The Secret world launches and people stay

    World of Darkness launches and people stay

     

    These games are designed for specific people. WoW can not offer what any of those games up top offer. I say it over and over again they had 7 years to get the point they could and the best defense for these 2012 monster games is pandas and pokemon.

     

    Then they say shit like 4.3 is it until MOP. It is like they are trying to piss off their core playerbase. I have never seen WoW this weak in 7 years. It is almost starting to resemble EQ stagnation right now/

     

  • teakboisteakbois Member Posts: 2,154

    Originally posted by Puremallace

    WoW released everyone rushed from EQ as Sony made one bad decision after another

     

     

    My experences in WoW indicate that a very small % of players went EQ -> WoW.  

    They went EQ -> EQ2.  All the stuff that people say was bad decisions by SoE with EQ1 was actually *before* EQ1's peak subscription period (Omens of War).   After EQ2 some wandered into WoW, but not many WoW players have played either EQ game, especially EQ1

  • PuremallacePuremallace Member Posts: 1,856

    Originally posted by teakbois

    My experences in WoW indicate that a very small % of players went EQ -> WoW.  

    They went EQ -> EQ2.  All the stuff that people say was bad decisions by SoE with EQ1 was actually *before* EQ1's peak subscription period (Omens of War).   After EQ2 some wandered into WoW, but not many WoW players have played either EQ game, especially EQ1

    The real WoW vanilla players and not the posers will tell you where they came from. 40man raids appealed to those guys for a reason because they got tired of getting ninja'd lol

     

     

  • snapfusionsnapfusion Member Posts: 954

    Originally posted by Puremallace

    Originally posted by snapfusion

    To each his own, I was bored silly with rift at level 30 and literally had to force myself to end game only to find a mostly dull and annoying raiding experience.   My interest in SWTOR has grown with every level now approaching 50. 

    It seemed in Rift there absolutely nothing to look forward to from zone to zone just been there done that environements, human elf dwarf races, magic swords and bows.

    Here is what I notice for the past 5 years just my observation

    WoW released everyone rushed from EQ as Sony made one bad decision after another

    WAR was next I think everyone went there then rushed back..WAR went nich

    AOC was next I think? everyone rushed and went back

    Aion launched everyone went then went back

     

    Here is where it changed around late 2010 and going into 2012:

    League of Legends released and people stayed

    Rift launched and people stayed

    TOR launched and people stayed..yes they willn stay maybe not omgwtf 12 million, but yeah

    GW2 launches and people stay

    Archage launches and people stay

    The Secret world launches and people stay

    World of Darkness launches and people stay

     

    These games are designed for specific people. WoW can not offer what any of those games up top offer. I say it over and over again they had 7 years to get the point they could and the best defense for these 2012 monster games is pandas and pokemon.

     

    Then they say shit like 4.3 is it until MOP. It is like they are trying to piss off their core playerbase. I have never seen WoW this weak in 7 years. It is almost starting to resemble EQ stagnation right now/

     

    You got it right.  Rift didnt work for me and I knew it pretty early on in the game but just to make sure I played to end game even through HK, the whole thing seemed like an annoying chore, boring as hell. But others LOVE that game and thats good.

    SWTOR to me seems clean crisp and interesting at every level, so yes IM staying along with a ton of others.

  • helliwanhelliwan Member Posts: 15

    I think you people have decision problems cause you cant compare rift with TOR, its not because every fruits are fruits that they have the same taste and  the same shape, it best for you to decide its not about reaching lvl 50 just by grinding only and then start whining of the game has nothing interesting in it of course it wont have anything interesting in it to you because your goal was to be the first to hit lvl 50 not actually take the time to enjoy everything it has to offer. So when you say start playing rift and find it different from TOR of course it'll be different , since they  are mmorpgs but they do not share nothing toether and i am sure you'll be the first to say that rift has nothing to offer nor any fun because all you'll end up doing is hit the highest level and then start crying about it not having anything interesting.

        

            If you think some things have nothing to offer go on another server different from the one you were on and hit lvl 50 

    and try to actually play the game again but this time do it slowly go through every without missing one step and you'll end up feeling different about it.

  • ArenthasArenthas Member Posts: 85

    Originally posted by helliwan

    I think you people have decision problems cause you cant compare rift with TOR, its not because every fruits are fruits that they have the same taste and  the same shape, it best for you to decide its not about reaching lvl 50 just by grinding only and then start whining of the game has nothing interesting in it of course it wont have anything interesting in it to you because your goal was to be the first to hit lvl 50 not actually take the time to enjoy everything it has to offer. So when you say start playing rift and find it different from TOR of course it'll be different , since they  are mmorpgs but they do not share nothing toether and i am sure you'll be the first to say that rift has nothing to offer nor any fun because all you'll end up doing is hit the highest level and then start crying about it not having anything interesting.

        

            If you think some things have nothing to offer go on another server different from the one you were on and hit lvl 50 

    and try to actually play the game again but this time do it slowly go through every without missing one step and you'll end up feeling different about it.

    TOR can be compared to Rift, because like Rift, it's still an MMO. With a community, with group content, and with servers to choose from, just like any other MMO.

    I never said SWTOR was a bad game, just not my cup of tea. The only time the game ever encourages you to group, are the flashpoints. And of course Warfronts, in which the minigames don't really seem any better than any other MMO's pvp minigame. 

    I hit level 50 and never skipped a narrative or voice over, I really enjoyed the story and narratives but in the end, just didn't feel like an mmo. 

  • HrothaHrotha Member UncommonPosts: 821

    These are indeed sad days of MMOs... if an MMO only can attract people for one free month. And then maybe come back after months for an Addon.

    Developers: You seriously should reconsider what you are actually "creating".

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  • Eir_SEir_S Member UncommonPosts: 4,440

    Likewise, I don't think TOR is a bad game, but it just doesn't have nearly the longevity I would have hoped for.  For a playthrough of the stories of classes you're interested in, it's a good couple weeks/months' fun.  That said, I can already feel that Rift plays smoother than TOR and deserves all the success it's had and more.  I feel bad for putting it down when I first tried the trial, but I was already going into it expecting something like WoW, but with better graphics.  However, I got into my first big rift war with a boss spawning at the end, the whole map was full of people defending key areas, NPCs were dying, it was great.  I never saw this kind of "massive" aspect in WoW or TOR, especially TOR.  And the graphics are better in Rift than in either of the aforementioned.  Sure it has some flaws and I can see how regular questing could get repetitive, but I fully intend to join a guild of slightly casuals and have some fun.

    Besides, the rifts are getting me prepared and excited for GW2, ie: content that isn't always up and lots of people join in on when it is.

  • Eir_SEir_S Member UncommonPosts: 4,440

    Originally posted by helliwan

    I think you people have decision problems cause you cant compare rift with TOR, its not because every fruits are fruits that they have the same taste and  the same shape, it best for you to decide its not about reaching lvl 50 just by grinding only and then start whining of the game has nothing interesting in it of course it wont have anything interesting in it to you because your goal was to be the first to hit lvl 50 not actually take the time to enjoy everything it has to offer. So when you say start playing rift and find it different from TOR of course it'll be different , since they  are mmorpgs but they do not share nothing toether and i am sure you'll be the first to say that rift has nothing to offer nor any fun because all you'll end up doing is hit the highest level and then start crying about it not having anything interesting.

        

            If you think some things have nothing to offer go on another server different from the one you were on and hit lvl 50 

    and try to actually play the game again but this time do it slowly go through every without missing one step and you'll end up feeling different about it.

    That's just it.  I've been playing the game, not skipping anything, etc., but I couldn't even begin to imagine leveling the same class in TOR twice, unlike Rift or WoW.  It's just different to me.  The story immerses you, but the gameplay is dry.  Once I've heard the dialog, I am not going back through on the same class just to hear a mild variation of it just to end up with the same results.  Maybe it's difficult for some people to believe that the idea of fully VO'd story does not blow everyone away.

  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,935

    Played both.  Rift became boring for me very quickly.  Think I made it near or about top level.

    Still playing SWTOR and having a blast. 

    edit: the public quests (i.e. "Rifts") are fun the first few times and then it becomes more of an annoyance than anything else.

  • Eir_SEir_S Member UncommonPosts: 4,440

    Originally posted by grimal

    edit: the public quests (i.e. "Rifts") are fun the first few times and then it becomes more of an annoyance than anything else.

    Yeah well so far I prefer a random encounter that doesn't require asking anyone to help over TOR's boring "Heroics" and unimpressive FP's that you have to spam for in general.  It's unbelievable that companies still try to sell us that garbage.

  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,935

    Originally posted by Eir_S

    Originally posted by grimal

    edit: the public quests (i.e. "Rifts") are fun the first few times and then it becomes more of an annoyance than anything else.

    Yeah well so far I prefer a random encounter that doesn't require asking anyone to help over TOR's boring "Heroics" and unimpressive FP's that you have to spam for in general.  It's unbelievable that companies still try to sell us that garbage.

    The problem is, they are not random.  They are scheduled to occur in intervals.  After a while it just becomes like "oh another Rift" and becomes more of an interruption than anything else.  If you haven't gotten to that point yet, then kudos, but it got to me.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,952

    Originally posted by Puremallace

     

    These games are designed for specific people.

    This is pretty much it.

    Each game has it's fans and each game is going to lose subs/players after launch because too many people who probably would never like the game try them out.

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  • Eir_SEir_S Member UncommonPosts: 4,440

    Originally posted by grimal

    Originally posted by Eir_S


    Originally posted by grimal

    edit: the public quests (i.e. "Rifts") are fun the first few times and then it becomes more of an annoyance than anything else.

    Yeah well so far I prefer a random encounter that doesn't require asking anyone to help over TOR's boring "Heroics" and unimpressive FP's that you have to spam for in general.  It's unbelievable that companies still try to sell us that garbage.

    The problem is, they are not random.  They are scheduled to occur in intervals.  After a while it just becomes like "oh another Rift" and becomes more of an interruption than anything else.  If you haven't gotten to that point yet, then kudos, but it got to me.

    Ah.  No I have not nearly come to that point yet since I've only experienced a couple days' worth of them, but in addtion to the common MMO elements that I enjoy (ie: doing the crafting myself etc.), it will probably keep me more interested than SWTOR's steps backwards, as was my initial point.  The rifts could be random or scripted, but the point is, they're not just sitting there waiting 24/7 waiting for you to get a group together.

  • ZippyZippy Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,412

    Originally posted by Kaburan

    Hey all,

      Can some experienced folks enlighten me on the mid to end game content and quality of the game? Is there a lot of unique group and raid dungeons, as well as world pvp? 

     

    Thanks folks. 

    Rift raiding is very good.  It is arguably the best raiding  since EQ2.  Currently there are 3 20 man raid dungeons and 3 10 man raid dungeons.  2 T1 and 1 T2 of each.   Greenscale and RoS are pretty easy but well done starting raid dungeons.  HK is very well done with 11 bosses.  A new raid dungeon should be hitting the test server very soon.

    Rift is about endgame it is the best raiding game on the market.  That is where it is very good.  Ember SIle is a very nice addition for level 50's.  Level 1-50 is very linear, fast and limited.  Endgame is much better than the leveling.  There is additional content forgroups with 11 expert dungeons 2solo dungeons, 4 end game factions and tons of daily quests.

    PvP is pretty weak but is undergoing a redo.  It may get some love down the road but Rift is mainly a PvE game.

    RiFts/Invasions, zone events and dynamic content are IMO the weakest part of the game.  Ember Isle makes some improvements on these with the addition of sourcewell mechanics and better events.  Increasing the rewards for doing events and planar activities has increased the amount of people partaking in these events. It feels like more community events now than it did 6 months ago with lotsof people working together on events. But overall the dyanamic events have a long ways to go in terms of needed improvements

    Crafting is pretty simplistic but is needed for raiding.

    Overall Rift is very well done.   There is constantly something to do even if you play 12 hours a day.  They do a good job of giving us constant small goals and new fluff content.

    Te community is pretty mature.  Essentially Rift is the successor to EQ2 with Scott Hartsman running the game.

    But what imrpesses me most is Trion's commitment to the game.  They continue to invest in the games future with more and content.  They continue to hire new devs.  Unlike most new games which cut and run after they get their box sales Trion seems to be planning for long term subs by giving the game a future.  It is refreshing to play a MMO where I see it has a long term future and I can stay and play there for many years to come.  That is what makes Rifts so good for me.

    Certainly Rift is not for everyone.  Most modern MMO players are not real players.  They do not have the patience or attention span to play any game longer than a month or two.  Now that most of those players have left, Rift seems to be settling down into a game for veteran MMO PvE players.  Players who like to raid and play diificult content.  It also offers content for other players. But veteran MMO raiders seem to be its core playerbase.

  • NateEssexNateEssex Member UncommonPosts: 58
    Originally posted by teakbois


    Originally posted by Puremallace
    WoW released everyone rushed from EQ as Sony made one bad decision after another
     
     

    My experences in WoW indicate that a very small % of players went EQ -> WoW.  

    They went EQ -> EQ2.  All the stuff that people say was bad decisions by SoE with EQ1 was actually *before* EQ1's peak subscription period (Omens of War).   After EQ2 some wandered into WoW, but not many WoW players have played either EQ game, especially EQ1

     

    I was a 5 year EQ player that went to WoW, and I didn't like it first go around. I truly miss Shadowbane.

    Current: GW2 (almost)
    Played: EQ, DAoC,EQOA,Shadowbane,WoW, WAR, SWTOR, TSW

  • SanHorSanHor Member UncommonPosts: 336

    Originally posted by NBlitz

    I wonder if there was something subliminal inserted into TOR that makes one want to try out Rift.

    While playing TOR I kept thinking "hmm, I might want to give Rift another try."

    So weird! 

    As crazy as this may sounds I feel the same way. I quit Rift because I was bored eventually but after disappointment with TOR for some reason I've been seriously thinking of returning to Rift.

  • echolynfanecholynfan Member UncommonPosts: 681

    Originally posted by snapfusion

    To each his own, I was bored silly with rift at level 30 and literally had to force myself to end game only to find a mostly dull and annoying raiding experience.   My interest in SWTOR has grown with every level now approaching 50. 

    It seemed in Rift there absolutely nothing to look forward to from zone to zone just been there done that environements, human elf dwarf races, magic swords and bows.

     

    And with SWTOR at 50 you will find a mostly dull and annoying raiding experience...with some broken PVP and stupid space min-game on the side :)

    Currently playing SWTOR and it's MUCH better than it was at launch.

  • falc0nfalc0n Member UncommonPosts: 385

    both games suck but TOR is better then Rift.....still hoping for DAoC 2

    Edit: along with SWG2 or Shadowbane 2

  • OpapanaxOpapanax Member Posts: 973

    Played Rift, left because I went back to EVE.

    *Cough* Left EVE for SWTOR as filler for TSW and breaking out my addiction to EVE (Bad choice prob should've just stayed with EVE)

    Now I'm ALSO finding myself thinking about Rift, purely because it plays so much better and feels many times more alive than SWTOR. Even if SWTOR currently has more actual subscribers the way the servers are imbalanced intertwined with the heavy instancing it feels very very dead most of the time in SWTOR.

    I've decided this will more than likely be my last month of SWTOR and I'll just head back to Rift or maybe get back into my Playstation until TSW or Planetside 2 drop.

    SWTOR has left a bitter-sweet taste in some ways. I really like the v/o cutscene and blending of those for immersion with selecting lines. But the massive green and red walls puzzle me at the same time.

    An MMO should feel like a circle jerk amongst friends/enemies not like a bunch of nerds sitting in seperate little black-walled rooms watching scantly-clad holostrippers.

    P.S I actually downloaded the patch for Rift yesterday in preperation for my departure. Anyone have a suggestion for a server to move my two avatars to? The one I'm on now has been converted to trial.

    PM before you report at least or you could just block.

  • NateEssexNateEssex Member UncommonPosts: 58
    So, if I play the trial and like it, can I pay and then move to a non-trial server?

    Current: GW2 (almost)
    Played: EQ, DAoC,EQOA,Shadowbane,WoW, WAR, SWTOR, TSW

  • iamflymoloiamflymolo Member Posts: 152

    Originally posted by NateEssex

    So, if I play the trial and like it, can I pay and then move to a non-trial server?

    Unlimited free server transfers in Rift so you can find the server that's right for you.

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