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MMOs with a more buggy worse start than SWTOR >>
grizlok
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Games I played at their launch that had worse lag, more bugs and more crashes/servers down:
Ultima Online
Everquest
City of Heroes
Dungeons and Dragons
Everquest II
World of Warcraft <- so many crashes that Blizzard repeatedly gave free game time.
Warhammer
Age of Conan
Games I have played at launch with equal or less lag, bugs and crashs:
Rift is slightly better - as far as a near trouble free launch, it is the only one I played - aside from SW:TOR. I have had some lag issues and encountered no game breaking bugs.
Those are all the MMOs I played at launch. Rift was the only one that gave me zero issues.
My only issue with SW:TOR is that they are coming out with content too fast (as is RIFT)
I think for all its faults, WoW had the perfect ramp up time. At release you simply couldn't level to cap in a week. I was having so much fun exploring, I didn't hit the cap until 2+ months in. Leveling is just a formality in all new MMOs because they think they need to compete with WoW's endgame. Wow didn't have an endgame for a very long time.
SW:TOR is an excellent game better than almost every other MMO I've experienced at launch. The only flaw is it is falling prey to the 'must have infinite end game content' that this new generation of MMOs seems to demand.
I hope the next MMO that hits the market puts in a governor to limit how fast you can level. I want to see level caps happening in 3-4 months for the hardcore and 6+ months for the casuals.
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And yet ,for me all those games were a lot more fun and immersive than ToR will ever be ....IMO
Missing a lot of good mmo titles on your list
And a portion that you did post about were better indepth, better features, better crafting, and so much more. I thought a new aged mmo like TOR wouldnt have taken a step backwards.
and yet here it is 2011-2012 and they didn't learn a single thing from the huge history of this game industry to make it not only a bug free experience but also to make it have 0 exploits at launch but they spent 4-6 times as much money as all those titles did when they released (comparing them individually). I'm going to so be vindicated of GW2's launch day is 1: the most stable ever of any mmo 2: has almost no exploits or bugs in it, The mere fact that the GW2 team spent a small fraction of the money used in SWTOR will be enough to bring a smile to my face on that day especially since they are making a B2P game and are highly anti-sub.
But that's how it works on these boards, newer games will never be better than older ones.
I found UO to be just a sandbox - fun, but nothing going on.
- Everquest was totally immersive and awesome
- Rift was amazing for everything but immersion. I love everything about it, but for some reason it seems to have no soul.
- Warhammer was just a pretty face on a hacked together RvR rush job.
- WoW I still play to this day - out of guilt. All my friends want me to keep healing their raids. It was an amazing game in its day, but I'm ready to move on.
- SW:TOR is exactly what I wanted. KOTOR 3-11
I really hope raiding and PvP doesn't ruin it. The game never seemed designed for the traditional MMO endgame.
False... that blanket statement carries nothing.. it is entirely at each inviduals preference and experience , with each game..
It is amazing how well GW2 launch is going to go isn't it... I mean we already know it is going to be perfect, with 0 bugs and 0 exploits. We even know it is going to be more fun than sex.
And thats why companies should go back to the older game styles and improve them instead of following WOW around like a lost dog. Every game this past few years have all been the same and lack true mmo features its sad.
Hmmm, no not false. 90% of the newer games that have come out since wow have failed. Kinda tells you something.
I played a lot more MMOs, just not on launch. I also totally forgot about DCUO - I guess I couldn't consider it an MMO.
I still think out of every MMO played - WoW is still the best. I've outgrown it and there are no other worthwhile MMOs on the market. SW:TOR is amazing for what it is. I think it will be the best immersive mutliplayer game - but I can't see myself doing much endgame.
So you say!
But at least you understand that!
and again false all those games have success at some level there are people enjoying them and compnies making money ...so again this may be for you ... but there are alot more people playing other games combined than play wow .. that should tell you something ..
Failed?
How so?
Because they need numbers like WoW?
Last time I checked a lot of these games are still around and kicking, being support by players who actaully enjoy playing them.
Wasnt talking about the games he listed. And i dont like wow and not a fan either.
The one that really sticks out is VO!
You can effectively add Aion, DCUO and FFXIV to the list. There are more but I'm limiting myself to the games that I experienced first hand at launch.
The tragic thing about Aion is that it had been released almost a year earlier in Korea.
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
I had 0 issues at Aion's launch aside from lack of content past level 25ish.. but no lag no crashes nothing
Anarchy Online gets my vote from what I could remember for worst launch for being pretty much unplayable due to crashes
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
If only the rest of us were so lucky.
There were huge queues(over 3hrs, some people reported disconnect when finally getting to character select), bad sutstained lag and bad lag spikes, servers were crashing, disconnects were bountiful. I think I even remember constant rubberbanding problems. Granted, what I just said makes it seem a lot worst than it was.
Bug wise, it was pretty good. I think there were a few but nothing too horrible or impacting.
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
I played EQ2 for three months from early access and I don't remember any game-breaking bugs, although they did totally revamp combat after that. When I returned I played for over a year and it was the best game I have played so far.
I think it's been a very good launch. I was going to wait a month or so before playing just because of the many horror stories I've seen from past MMO launches. I'm glad that I didn't wait because aside from a few small things (ability delay) it's been a great experience.
I'm not sure what SWG was at launch, but based on my experience in late 2004 it couldn't have been a good one. I had occasions where I would be stuck along with other players in the Bespin spaceport and unable to get out. I'd send a ticket in and nothing. Eventually I would just log out. There would be times that I would rubberband back and forth so it took me twice as long to get from one place to the next. My bounty hunter couldn't do a lot of the NPC missions because the NPC would end up either in a wall or in the middle of water where I couldn't reach him. PVP wasn't bad until a couple of jedi would come along and pawn everyone. Talk about OVERPOWERED, and not to mention the fact they shouldn't even have been in that game to begin with based on the time frame the game is set in. Exploits were also very common and which makes the whole "Ilum" broo ha ha tame in comparison. Bioware responded to the Ilum trouble within 24 hours. SOE would just either ignore exploits or just give lip service. From the time I started playing until the time I stopped, players were still running macros in spawn points that allowed them to gain XP while away from their computers. When Kashyyk was released, players that were grinding jedi would all gather in one LOS exploit spot because they new that Bounty Hunters couldn't touch them there. It was never fixed and after the NGE the point became moot.
Let's not forget that these are problems that were in SWG MORE THAN A YEAR AFTER LAUNCH.The fact that so many hold this game up as what MMOs should be striving for while at the same time griping about the little problems with TOR(a game that just launched) just reeks of hypocrisy.
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Almost every MMO ever released has been buggier than SWTOR at release.
Remember Old School Ultima Online
MMOs with a more buggy worse start than SWTOR
all but rift?
Close to it.
I think there are a few more though, it's just harder to remember the (what should be) normal.
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
You make a good point. Things are rarely as good as we remember them being "back in the day". I do think though that themeparks in the early days were more acceptable than they are now due to the fact people werent sick of them yet. Folks just want something different and it looks like we will continue to want for sometime. More on topic. Its been awnile but seems LOTRO had decent lauch, at least compared to others launching in that time period but all games have problems at launch.Its how they deal with them that make or break the game. TOR has little time with a new batch of games on the horizon.
Really? This game sucks and Im not having fun? Im going to unsub right now. Thanks for the tip.