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yellomellow
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Hello, today i was in mortal online irc when they announced that the gms would do a public discussion and accept questions from all the community and would answer them. I found that really good idea.
So then they told us to all go on a Teamspeak server which the public event was being hosted on, (i tought it was a server from starvault) everyone were muted beside the Gm, and the players could Type in the chat, the questions.
Then i noticed that the *teamspeak* in question, is in reality owned by a Player from MO, named Zagar, who have nothing to do with the staff or the community leads, I tought it was ok, untill he start baning people he did not like, and refuse the right to some people who just freshly joined, the right to type questions.
I personaly think a Public community event like this, should be controled by the staffs and not by a player, I have pmed gm discord about why people gets baned and why isnt it him controling this, and he answered me that its Zagars server and he does what he want,
Id like to have peoples opinion on this, but to be honest, i think this do not look proffesional at all.From the sound of it, the friend of Zagar can participate and ask questions, and who he do not like, are mutes/cant type or even banned.
I think that is unfair, since its a public event and everyone should have rights to question the GMs.
ps: cant starvault pay for their own 200 slot teamspeak ?!?! its like 5 dollards a month, cmon.
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You should change name of the thread, to avoid confusion with other discussion of the same name. Thou I agree, it is very unprofessional behavior. But then again, that applies to everything SV does. I am not surprised to see a player screwing the event up and banning people because SV didn't think it through.
Honestly with Theia here I started to had at least some slight hope for Mortal. But now this hope is dead again. Things like that were happening there since the very beginning. I really hoped that community by leaving game made a point that they don't want it. It just reminds me common discussions from beta why announcements are made on irc but not on forum and also players are even forbidden from posting transcripts from irc discussions on forum. I still don't understand this reasoning behind SV really...
Hold on a second guys! This was a suggestion made by the Community! Zagar came up with the idea and then offered his own personally hosted TS for our use for this first ever Mortal Pulse.
It was a success for sure. There was I'm sorry to say one individual who tried and partially succeeded in a DOS attack. This caused the server to have to be resarted. And I hard to hard-restart my machine so whilst we were a little disrupted we actually did very well in getting the messages we were allowed to, passed over.
That said I think the above suggestion is legitimate and SV will look to set up their own community TS. I will try to arrange this over the next week or two and certainly before we run another Mortal Pulse. We'll also make sure we have a lot more slots and I'll make sure that a DOS won;t work next time!
There's always more to learn - but we march on!
Thanks!
GMTheia
First such initiatives should be always taken by company not individuals from outside of it. Not holding any gm or community manager responsible for that as how it is done is and always should be matter of internal policy of the company. However if it leads to situation that in order to have such in fact simple and obvious thing such as public discussion at all someone from community takes initiative to do so it doesn't really put company in a good light. Happens that irl I am a software engineer. Not exactly game development but I guess rules regarding how developer can promote their work are the same. And one of those rules is that it is author that must seek contact with customers.
If it's customer who does that (not author) then let's just say that after like almost 10 years in this industry I have yet to see situation when such customer behaviour wasn't provoked by author's hesitation. I'm not saying that whole team should prepare such meetings every week or so as that would be waste of time and also pointless. But seriously how hard it is to prepare such meeting once per even at least every big patch, announce it properly and in general by doing that show the community that company cares. Just forget about irc, do it on forums, do it via mmorpg sites such as this one. Don't even think of saying that it's not possible, somehow other companies are able to do so - just take a look at MO's news section in here. At some point there were news coming now completely nothing.
Seriously it's just a tip for SV. Work on this as these days making a good game is far from enough. Tindrem and fixing stuff won't really help if not backed by showing community that company is doing more than just fighting for survival and that company does care. For one thing I left MO some time ago. I have no reason to go to irc there or even visit forums but I'd gladly participate in discussion such as this one mentioned by OP and I doubt that I am the only person like that. So tell me how we are supposed to know about it if at best only news is on MO forums (seeing example given by OP that could be considered as luck) that is appearing every now and then (rather not that often).
Maybe you could have read the thread on this board?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/337397/GMs-Planning-Discussion-with-MO-Community-Next-Week-Mortal-Pulse.html
I was going to post one but sombody got in there before me....
GMTheia
This is a really good idea imo, if properly communicated to noobs trying the game out it could really help with the noob-unfriendlyness of the game in lack of better sources of beginner-information. Would also help for communitybuilding, and be a great asset for people starting up small guilds that don't have their own voip setup. I say go for it!
I agree something like this should be held on a TS controlled by SV. Ina game like this there will always be problems with players hating other players. That is why there has been many problems with councelors that show bias towards others in game.
My feedback hearing the meeting is, like the HoC SV prmissing the world but will it ever be delivered. Basically every question answered was yes we will have that after this is enabled. That was the same in the HoC's every time.
I also agree with this player.
MrHoot
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meh, basically the most interesting questions I was eager to hear were answered with "We can't do that yet" or "Can't tell you", and the rest were pretty obvious answers.
It's always that nagging feeling in MO that the devs have coded themselves into a ditch because they can't do anything without having to change 60% of the game with it
Cool effort and interview though, some new things I learn.
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about that (dos attack thing) ive seen what happened, the player who got banned for DOS attack wasnt even conected when server crashed, he conected to server after everything happened so theres no proff he did anything, then GM Theia started crashing, and the teamspeak host *zagar* decided to ban a player named Blackmage for *sending packets to theia to make him crash*
i am sorry everyone, but i know how it works, you can send packet to the ts and make it all crash, you cant send packets to 1 guy in the ts to make him crash, that was a made reason by Zagar to ban the player, and he just said it on a teamspeak with 250 players on so they all repeated the same thing* dos dos attack*
The server never got dos attacked, the first 2 time it crashed was cause it reached the maximum amount of players on, so they re started it to allow more people to conect,
There is proff on a server from dos attack, can i see any logs ? id like to.
And maybe you could have read post before answering. So my question now is who is Rohn? Perhaps it is Henrik himself?
Now some community member let's other's know about something. Really nice that there are ppl like Rohn around. But that just shows my points exactly. You are next to non existant anywhere outside MO website (not comparing to WoW if that comes to mind somehow^^). Actually those 2 years ago you were not existing anywhere outside irc. Talking here ofc about SV not about you as in you:)
Personally I think that you are doing a good job and as I mentioned 2 posts above I do see it and I do appreciate it really. I understand that you couldn't yourself post info about it so Rohn had to. But this is exactly where company should act - no idea if through mmorpg.com but there are other websites. And I don't mean registering on another forum as Theia:) WHat I mean is that it should be something more official.
Honestly community that has to take initiative, lack of information outside MO website (or at least far from enough), rumours spreading about financial situation of SV (just take a look at some threads even on this forum only) and from SV's part in fact only Theia facing this stuff (outside MO forums as Theia, not as SV representative I might add).
Now I understand that you are busy with AI and there is Tindrem on schedule for this year (at least let us hope so^^) so maybe not now as in tomorrow or the day after but then perhaps launching Tindrem could be some reason to use this time and do some little promotion of MO to show how much work you have done over past 2 years. Again ofc not by sending Theia to dispute with guys like me on mmorpg.com but something more official. I really think that it would be great.
GMTheia
all these things are funny story but were geting away from the goal of this thread
WHY THE HELL CAN STARVAULT HOLD EVENTS IN A PLAYERS TEAMSPEAK WITHOUT MAKING SURE HE UNDERSTAND 100% OF THE SERVER CAN BE THERE,
How can starvault allow, a player to decide who from the community, can participate in these public events,
im buying a 500 slot mumble right now and i want all events to be on my mumble and ill just ban all my ennemy guilds saying they dos attack my teamspeak, gms give me medail and everyones happy. Yay
Can someone link me to the written notes from the meeting promised by GMThea to be released by the 13th?
12th January 2012, 10:03
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GM Theia
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Quick Update: We've collated all of the quesitons and SV / Henrik has given us (lengthy) written answers. Discord and I will be running the meeting later today, at the time posted. Zagar has confrimed that the TS will be up and running, and we'll release written notes form the meeting some time tomorrow.
Thanks!
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http://pastebin.com/aVkq1kac
Dunno if you mean this exactly, but i guess it will do since it has the questions that has being answered in TS.
Reason for editing: forgot to attach the link itself:D
http://soundcloud.com/gendefect-1/mortalpulse12-01-2012-enhanced
you can listen to the whole thing here as well.
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.
Actually I was looking for the official written notes that StarVault promised would be published the day after the TS event. Have they been published as promised?
From what I understand they were to be the official responses that Henrick gave to the GM team.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
No idea on that.