The GW2 Guru is careful to delete misleading posts or off topic posts. It's not like here where you can freely bash GW2 on the GW2 forums. Of course there are a few poeple asking for GW2 to be a WOW or TOR clone or demanding raid content, but they are kept in check as well.
Honestly, I have to put the shame more on ArenaNet for being okay with allowing their community to be run this way. If you let a bunch of self-entitled fanboys run your community, what can you expect?
Honestly I admire your courage to come to these forums, bash anything about GW you can bash and think people are taking you serious. Can you stop doing that? I am enjoying my time finding out information here and don't like to see your continuous spam poisoning the GW threads. Thanks!
Originally posted by Powermike Honestly I admire your courage to come to these forums, bash anything about GW you can bash and think people are taking you serious. Can you stop doing that? I am enjoying my time finding out information here and don't like to see your continuous spam poisoning the GW threads. Thanks!
I post in more than two threads, and I think you're capable of reading more than those two as well. If you want to find information on GW2, by all means post in a thread that pertains to it. I've been following the game for a long time and am as excited as anyone else on the board. I'll be happy to help.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
Honestly, I have to put the shame more on ArenaNet for being okay with allowing their community to be run this way. If you let a bunch of self-entitled fanboys run your community, what can you expect?
Honestly I admire your courage to come to these forums, bash anything about GW you can bash and think people are taking you serious. Can you stop doing that? I am enjoying my time finding out information here and don't like to see your continuous spam poisoning the GW threads. Thanks!
Shrrom came in, voiced his opinion, and then provided proof as to why he thought what he thought. You come in and accuse him of being a basher, and that's all you had to say. Can YOU stop doing THAT?
I posted a few times on Guru simply looking for information on this wonderful upcoming game, and my response was along the lines of "Search and find it yourself"- from the MODS! Then my post was later deleted. Shroom isn't wrong in his assessment.
I, like many of you am very excited for the release of GW2 this year.
Yet I can't seem to fill the void of what I feel is an integral part of building a community; A news & forums site.
Now many of you will say I should head over to GuildWars2Guru.com, but can we really call this a forum?
I mean, the management on that site seems to be very selective, yet heavy handed in the way they moderate their forums.
To give you an example of this, I posted a reply to a thread discussing how people would get into the beta with the following:
"I would think that owning a Guild Wars 1 account will be a large contributing factor to whom gets invited to the Beta Weekends. This is of course just speculation, and doesnt mean that will be the definite case, but it would certainly make good business sense."
My reply was deleted barely 30 minutes later, with no explanation as to why, nor any correspondence via PM.
How can the Guild Wars 2 fans foster a community, when the people that run these sites seem to shut down discussion threads with out so much as a warning or explanation.
I thought the whole point of such pre-launch communities was to speculate and debate their opinions on features or news in a constructive manner, yet I can not find a social hub to do this with Guild Wars 2.
With only a handful of months before the potential release of Guild Wars 2, where am I supposed to interact with the community without having to worry that my threads will be deleted because they contain conjecture and opinion?
Head over to http://gw2hq.com. Its a new community that started up a few months ago awaiting the release of GW2. Its worth checking out. IMO is a lot better than Guild Wars Guru.
Honestly, I have to put the shame more on ArenaNet for being okay with allowing their community to be run this way. If you let a bunch of self-entitled fanboys run your community, what can you expect?
Honestly I admire your courage to come to these forums, bash anything about GW you can bash and think people are taking you serious. Can you stop doing that? I am enjoying my time finding out information here and don't like to see your continuous spam poisoning the GW threads. Thanks!
Shrrom came in, voiced his opinion, and then provided proof as to why he thought what he thought. You come in and accuse him of being a basher, and that's all you had to say. Can YOU stop doing THAT?
I posted a few times on Guru simply looking for information on this wonderful upcoming game, and my response was along the lines of "Search and find it yourself"- from the MODS! Then my post was later deleted. Shroom isn't wrong in his assessment.
"Thanks!"
Pfffft I am proof of how bad our community is. ;D
Jk, though. I play gw, and while it may get serious at times or stupid, it is still a community. Like any other, it has its silly points, a little less and a little more than others. Better than CoD. I quit playing that after listening to that garbage.
But that doesn't mean he's allowed to post his opinion where the rule prohibit it. Q&A is for answers not opinions. I didn't write the rules, but everyone has to follow them. Except the mods, it seems.
Honestly, I have to put the shame more on ArenaNet for being okay with allowing their community to be run this way. If you let a bunch of self-entitled fanboys run your community, what can you expect?
Didn't know Guru was the community.
Hmm but yea that is shame on them for not getting offcial forums. Be an interesting set up on their website IMO, even the opening page has life lmao.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Well, if you want to help you would be better off checking if your own opinion about this is correct and if others may think different, which is what I also read in this topic. I think you are not criticizing yourself enough.
Besides that, I wonder how it helps posting on this forum about another forum. Instead you can figure out more about your opinion or complaint and, provided that you would be right (because I am not convinced of anything) you could contact the mod in question.
And some wise words: always be subtle with negative opinions .
[...] learn how the mods roll and stay on their good side most of the time, if you want to express a critic, do on a way you know they can't delete/give you a infraction with a bit of risks here and there...
You don't see a problem with this? I'm sorry, but that reads like China.
"Well, just find a way to express your opinions in ways that don't upset the fascist regime. Find loopholes, and try to stay on their good side whilst maintaining your independence and individuality. But if you cross them, then you'd better be prepared for the consequences."
It's bloody ridiculous. No community forums should be run like that. Yes, I know GW2G is, but that's precisely why we need an official forums - as GW2G tends to be a joke perpetrated upon itself.
And it really is like that. Make a simple mistake or disagree with a mod and you'll get an edit/deletion. Ask them why they did it and they'll give you a vapid, vacuous, and empty response that amounts to nothing more than 'because we felt like it.' Try to make the post again in a different way or express your dismay on the forums, it'll be deleted. And if you happen to psuh their buttons too much, then expect to be banned.
Oh, and expect to be IMed angrily by their head honchos with what generally amounts to 'GTFO.'
Really, this is why I know that people who aren't equipped for it shouldn't be moderators or administrators. There are those who cannot think laterally and in an objective way, there are people who act upon bias and their own obvious corruption. GW2G is filled with these sorts of people as your own post attests. I admit, I'm not immune to this either, but I'm not a moderator - nor would I want to be.
To be a moderator/administrator, you need lateral thinking, heightened critical capacities, the ability to think objectively, and professionalism. Unfortunately these are qualities that none of the staff at GW2G happens to possess, that's why the whole site is so much of a rabid fustercluck.
And like I've said before... if ArenaNet proceed ahead without an official forums and with this particular group of goons heading up their community front, then the whole thing is going to turn out to be a PR disaster, and fans of other MMOs will have a field day with it and they'll use that knowledge to drive ArenaNet into the ground. I don't want to see that happening. I really hope ANet is going to be smart about this...
I can but hope. That is all I can do.
(Typos.)
whatever critism you put on gw2 guru, i put on official forum moderators for other large mmos. maybe some smaller mmo official communiies are ok, but GW2 will draw a lot of people.
the moderators on an official forum will have people who suck at their job and this will reflect badly on arenanet. they will need to use, staff, time, resources on managing official forums. it also kills fansite news. you will have people crying for blue threads, making threats to demand responses, you will take the community out of the game.
im sick of reading guides, and the latest tibids about the games future outside the game. in guild wars 1, the developers came into the game and talked and discussed with the player INSIDE the game. gailie gray was awesome. that was fun.
why do you want them to make something that is just for complaining? everyone knows that people will abuse it. everyone knows an moderator cant be objective. a gw2 guru mod is not going to be different from a gw2 official forum moderators. they both follow their rules from the admins.
some people are going to get angry with gw2, because haters gonna hate, and official forums are just going to give them grand illussions.
if gw2 gets official forums i wont play this game. keep that community crap to games with crappy communities like war, aoc, wow, and so on.
lastly, guru is one of many many gw2 fansites. pick another - there are lots of them with liberal moderators. the guru moderators are not more strict that those here in closing threads and deleting posts and creating confusion than here.
Originally posted by Powermike Well, if you want to help you would be better off checking if your own opinion about this is correct and if others may think different, which is what I also read in this topic. I think you are not criticizing yourself enough.
wat
Originally posted by Powermike Besides that, I wonder how it helps posting on this forum about another forum. Instead you can figure out more about your opinion or complaint and, provided that you would be right (because I am not convinced of anything) you could contact the mod in question.
I posted links with indisputable proof that one of the mods ignores the forum rules and does as he pleases. I can't really do any more than that. I also have no means by which to contact the mods themselves because I never had an account there and never will.
Besides, I am certain the mods have been contacted many, many times about their behavior. Their signatures attest to the fact that moderation is a known problem on the website.
Originally posted by Powermike And some wise words: always be subtle with negative opinions .
Only if you're a politician.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
Originally posted by pingo whatever critism you put on gw2 guru, i put on official forum moderators for other large mmos. maybe some smaller mmo official communiies are ok, but GW2 will draw a lot of people.
the moderators on an official forum will have people who suck at their job and this will reflect badly on arenanet. they will need to use, staff, time, resources on managing official forums. it also kills fansite news. you will have people crying for blue threads, making threats to demand responses, you will take the community out of the game.
>blue threads You lose some credibility for using that phrase, as it applies only to the forums of one developer. We know what their forums are like, and they're hardly an example of what other forums are.
And it kills fansite news? Are you serious? Are you honestly crying about the chance of official forums because it might give fansites less to post?
Originally posted by pingo im sick of reading guides, and the latest tibids about the games future outside the game. in guild wars 1, the developers came into the game and talked and discussed with the player INSIDE the game. gailie gray was awesome. that was fun.
Official forums do not prohibit community managers from addressing the community in-game.
Keep in mind, however, that this cannot, does not, will not, and did not replace official announcements. Forums (the official variety) are idea for discussing said announcements.
Also, bad move on using GW1 as an example in the same paragraph where you say you're "sick of reading guides" outside the game.
Originally posted by pingo why do you want them to make something that is just for complaining? everyone knows that people will abuse it. everyone knows an moderator cant be objective. a gw2 guru mod is not going to be different from a gw2 official forum moderators. they both follow their rules from the admins.
The GW2G mods do not follow their rules. That is the underlying problem here. If they followed the rules, we'd have no troubles because there is nothing wrong with their rules.
Originally posted by pingo some people are going to get angry with gw2, because haters gonna hate, and official forums are just going to give them grand illussions.if gw2 gets official forums i wont play this game. keep that community crap to games with crappy communities like war, aoc, wow, and so on.
Then you make it easy for me to say that I sincerely hope you will not be playing GW2.
Originally posted by pingo lastly, guru is one of many many gw2 fansites. pick another - there are lots of them with liberal moderators. the guru moderators are not more strict that those here in closing threads and deleting posts and creating confusion than here.
There are many, many GW2 fansites, and that's just another reason why we need a one-stop location for new players. Picking a fansite is a lot like picking a guild, and requiring every new player to pick a guild if they want information is a bad move.
If you truly believe that the Guru mods are no more strict than the MMORPG.com mods, then I can't really come up with a response. Just... Just read the thread. Is everyone here lying? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DVAsmrwdtQ
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
Shroom Mage, could you please refrain from... no, never mind. I'll just be banned for the 3rd time because the staff on this site is clearly biased towards me and my posts. To think I was about to go on a rant of epic proportions. Let me just be supposedly "nice" since that's apart of the rules or whatever(as if they matter anyway).
I'll just say this, the community is not "ran" by self entitled fan boys. The community has always been ran in game. ALWAYS. ArenaNet may go on Guru a bit but it's not as important as some people make it out to be. If ArenaNet were to make a forum, then it would just be full of trolls who clearly just want to bash a popular game. ArenaNet is not going to sift through a bunch of threads/posts when 90% of them are just by trolls. It's counter productive and a waste of time.
ArenaNet is always watching their game. It's not about listening to the community and doing what they want. It's about doing what they know is best for their game. They've always done this by close examination of what the community is up to. They're not stupid. They don't need a forum to realize mistakes in their game. You only think they need a forum because not only you don't like GW1, but you've been implying for some time that ArenaNet is an incompetent game developer. Again, I'll just have to say you may not like what they do, but I see no difference in the way you talk about GW1 and the way people who don't like the FPS genre talk about FPS games. It's just not your style. That doesn't mean it's a bad game or horribly developed.
Shroom Mage, could you please refrain from... no, never mind. I'll just be banned for the 3rd time because the staff on this site is clearly biased towards me and my posts. To think I was about to go on a rant of epic proportions. Let me just be supposedly "nice" since that's apart of the rules or whatever(as if they matter anyway).
I'll just say this, the community is not "ran" by self entitled fan boys. The community has always been ran in game. ALWAYS. ArenaNet may go on Guru a bit but it's not as important as some people make it out to be. If ArenaNet were to make a forum, then it would just be full of trolls who clearly just want to bash a popular game. ArenaNet is not going to sift through a bunch of threads/posts when 90% of them are just by trolls. It's counter productive and a waste of time.
Red text: I had a good laugh haha thanks.
Green text: Back on topic I would like them to have their own forums at launch not because I want them there to bash the game but because it's a very good community tool and most people don't want to have to go through fan sites to have a chat with their owns servers to organize events. A good game would have the fans shutting up the trolls easily enough without mods having to intervene.(most posts so far i've read from people bashing GW2 have been because they are misinformed)
In my mind most people would trust Anet to handle the forums, they could even just get some active folks from the community to handle the moderation for them for free.
Laying low here. Not much else to say until we actually lay hands on the game.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
"We shouldn't have official forums because there will be trolls" is a really poor argument. It's the internet. There are trolls everywhere. Should we shut down every website on the off chance a troll happens by?
Other people have explained why we official forums are good, and I've said all I can (or care to say) about why Guru can't fulfill this roll.
We need official forums. I can only hope ANet realizes this.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
"Don't mistake a fun game for a good game... Checkers is fun to play but its not exactly the highest point of gaming design... and definatly not worth $60 plus $15 a month"
[...] learn how the mods roll and stay on their good side most of the time, if you want to express a critic, do on a way you know they can't delete/give you a infraction with a bit of risks here and there...
You don't see a problem with this? I'm sorry, but that reads like China.
"Well, just find a way to express your opinions in ways that don't upset the fascist regime. Find loopholes, and try to stay on their good side whilst maintaining your independence and individuality. But if you cross them, then you'd better be prepared for the consequences."
It's bloody ridiculous. No community forums should be run like that. Yes, I know GW2G is, but that's precisely why we need an official forums - as GW2G tends to be a joke perpetrated upon itself.
And it really is like that. Make a simple mistake or disagree with a mod and you'll get an edit/deletion. Ask them why they did it and they'll give you a vapid, vacuous, and empty response that amounts to nothing more than 'because we felt like it.' Try to make the post again in a different way or express your dismay on the forums, it'll be deleted. And if you happen to psuh their buttons too much, then expect to be banned.
Oh, and expect to be IMed angrily by their head honchos with what generally amounts to 'GTFO.'
Really, this is why I know that people who aren't equipped for it shouldn't be moderators or administrators. There are those who cannot think laterally and in an objective way, there are people who act upon bias and their own obvious corruption. GW2G is filled with these sorts of people as your own post attests. I admit, I'm not immune to this either, but I'm not a moderator - nor would I want to be.
To be a moderator/administrator, you need lateral thinking, heightened critical capacities, the ability to think objectively, and professionalism. Unfortunately these are qualities that none of the staff at GW2G happens to possess, that's why the whole site is so much of a rabid fustercluck.
And like I've said before... if ArenaNet proceed ahead without an official forums and with this particular group of goons heading up their community front, then the whole thing is going to turn out to be a PR disaster, and fans of other MMOs will have a field day with it and they'll use that knowledge to drive ArenaNet into the ground. I don't want to see that happening. I really hope ANet is going to be smart about this...
I can but hope. That is all I can do.
(Typos.)
I agree with most of this post.
I think to many of the Guru mods are just in it for the power trip and actually enjoy finding reasons to delete posts that the day or week before were considered fine. People that won't conform usually leave the site and those that do conform are so overly cautious in what they post that everything becomes homoginized into one big group think.
It doesn't provide anything useful in the way of feedback for Arenanet, because many points that don't match the mod's points of view, or what they perceive to be what Arenanet "wants to hear", gets quashed.
The funny thing is that often the mods disagree with each other, but since they have likely earned their mod positions by showing their devotion to and acceptance of the site's arbitrary and often petty form of moderation, they just accept the abuses of their fellow mods. I'm guessing all the mods aren't bad, but the "moderator's culture" that has developed there is broken.
It's their site and they can do what they want. The problem is that Arenanet has played such heavy favorites with the site that it's just all that much more difficult for alternatives to develop and thrive.
This site isn't perfect, but it's still the best general MMORPG site. The forum moderation is also pretty spot on. Arenanet would do a lot more to cater to MMORPG players who aren't already commited fans by commenting here and developing a relationship with the MMORPG.com staff. They should also reach out to the other GW2 fan sites and forums, to make it clear they support them all and haven't just decided to make Guru their defacto Golden Child and surrogate developer's forum.
yeah shroom mage, your pretty much dead wrong. I cant really get into destroying your arguments brick for brick, because it will just end in bannings, but you don't know what you are talking about.
Stop spreading lies. And stop taking things out of context. using "blue please" as a reference. I laughed at the losing credibility. you take things out of context and immediately base your conclusions on what i have/havent played/read/seen/debated. don't assume, know.
a lot of people here are butt hurt overr guru. get over yourself.
Point being is that there are many many other sites out there that are specifically devoted to GW2. If Guru was as bad as everyone says it is then people would go elsewhere. However, the largest gathering of GW2 and GW1 fans can be found on Guru.
Good or bad, Guru is the first site shown on the Guild Wars Fansite Roster. It is the first link that players have hit for years to find a forum discussing GW. It has seen a high number of visits due to this and with the content that this positioning generates it enjoys high visibility in search engine results.
When Guru decided to split off a dedicated GW2 forum the community ( cough, cough ) was already there.
Guru is nothing compared to what it was 5 years ago and even then it was full of chavvs.
Unfortunately, like WOW, it would have to become pretty awful for it to loose it’s crown.
I am going to stop posting on this topic because I don't see how it helps anything but creating more rants. No matter how valid your complaints may be, I realize nothing about that forum is going to be done in another forum, there is just no use.
Actually I could say one thing: the reason some topics are easily closed may have something to do with the size of the forum . Take care.
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The GW2 Guru is careful to delete misleading posts or off topic posts. It's not like here where you can freely bash GW2 on the GW2 forums. Of course there are a few poeple asking for GW2 to be a WOW or TOR clone or demanding raid content, but they are kept in check as well.
i just hang arround here,
love this forum. Not allot of flaming and most of the time good discussions,
what more do i need
Honestly I admire your courage to come to these forums, bash anything about GW you can bash and think people are taking you serious. Can you stop doing that? I am enjoying my time finding out information here and don't like to see your continuous spam poisoning the GW threads. Thanks!
I don't like GW1, and I don't like GW2G. I see no reason why I should bar myself from discussions involving them, especially when the thread is asking for subjective opinions. Maybe you'd prefer a website that prohibits its users from discussing any but one side of a matter?
I post in more than two threads, and I think you're capable of reading more than those two as well. If you want to find information on GW2, by all means post in a thread that pertains to it. I've been following the game for a long time and am as excited as anyone else on the board. I'll be happy to help.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
Shrrom came in, voiced his opinion, and then provided proof as to why he thought what he thought. You come in and accuse him of being a basher, and that's all you had to say. Can YOU stop doing THAT?
I posted a few times on Guru simply looking for information on this wonderful upcoming game, and my response was along the lines of "Search and find it yourself"- from the MODS! Then my post was later deleted. Shroom isn't wrong in his assessment.
"Thanks!"
The Deep Web is sca-ry.
Forgot to quote and now I cant delete this....
Head over to http://gw2hq.com. Its a new community that started up a few months ago awaiting the release of GW2. Its worth checking out. IMO is a lot better than Guild Wars Guru.
Pfffft I am proof of how bad our community is. ;D
Jk, though. I play gw, and while it may get serious at times or stupid, it is still a community. Like any other, it has its silly points, a little less and a little more than others. Better than CoD. I quit playing that after listening to that garbage.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innovation
Didn't know Guru was the community.
Hmm but yea that is shame on them for not getting offcial forums. Be an interesting set up on their website IMO, even the opening page has life lmao.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Well, if you want to help you would be better off checking if your own opinion about this is correct and if others may think different, which is what I also read in this topic. I think you are not criticizing yourself enough.
Besides that, I wonder how it helps posting on this forum about another forum. Instead you can figure out more about your opinion or complaint and, provided that you would be right (because I am not convinced of anything) you could contact the mod in question.
And some wise words: always be subtle with negative opinions
.
whatever critism you put on gw2 guru, i put on official forum moderators for other large mmos. maybe some smaller mmo official communiies are ok, but GW2 will draw a lot of people.
the moderators on an official forum will have people who suck at their job and this will reflect badly on arenanet. they will need to use, staff, time, resources on managing official forums. it also kills fansite news. you will have people crying for blue threads, making threats to demand responses, you will take the community out of the game.
im sick of reading guides, and the latest tibids about the games future outside the game. in guild wars 1, the developers came into the game and talked and discussed with the player INSIDE the game. gailie gray was awesome. that was fun.
why do you want them to make something that is just for complaining? everyone knows that people will abuse it. everyone knows an moderator cant be objective. a gw2 guru mod is not going to be different from a gw2 official forum moderators. they both follow their rules from the admins.
some people are going to get angry with gw2, because haters gonna hate, and official forums are just going to give them grand illussions.
if gw2 gets official forums i wont play this game. keep that community crap to games with crappy communities like war, aoc, wow, and so on.
lastly, guru is one of many many gw2 fansites. pick another - there are lots of them with liberal moderators. the guru moderators are not more strict that those here in closing threads and deleting posts and creating confusion than here.
wat
I posted links with indisputable proof that one of the mods ignores the forum rules and does as he pleases. I can't really do any more than that. I also have no means by which to contact the mods themselves because I never had an account there and never will.
Besides, I am certain the mods have been contacted many, many times about their behavior. Their signatures attest to the fact that moderation is a known problem on the website.
Only if you're a politician.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
>blue threads
You lose some credibility for using that phrase, as it applies only to the forums of one developer. We know what their forums are like, and they're hardly an example of what other forums are.
And it kills fansite news? Are you serious? Are you honestly crying about the chance of official forums because it might give fansites less to post?
Official forums do not prohibit community managers from addressing the community in-game.
Keep in mind, however, that this cannot, does not, will not, and did not replace official announcements. Forums (the official variety) are idea for discussing said announcements.
Also, bad move on using GW1 as an example in the same paragraph where you say you're "sick of reading guides" outside the game.
The GW2G mods do not follow their rules. That is the underlying problem here. If they followed the rules, we'd have no troubles because there is nothing wrong with their rules.
Then you make it easy for me to say that I sincerely hope you will not be playing GW2.
There are many, many GW2 fansites, and that's just another reason why we need a one-stop location for new players. Picking a fansite is a lot like picking a guild, and requiring every new player to pick a guild if they want information is a bad move.
If you truly believe that the Guru mods are no more strict than the MMORPG.com mods, then I can't really come up with a response. Just... Just read the thread. Is everyone here lying? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DVAsmrwdtQ
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
Shroom Mage, could you please refrain from... no, never mind. I'll just be banned for the 3rd time because the staff on this site is clearly biased towards me and my posts. To think I was about to go on a rant of epic proportions. Let me just be supposedly "nice" since that's apart of the rules or whatever(as if they matter anyway).
I'll just say this, the community is not "ran" by self entitled fan boys. The community has always been ran in game. ALWAYS. ArenaNet may go on Guru a bit but it's not as important as some people make it out to be. If ArenaNet were to make a forum, then it would just be full of trolls who clearly just want to bash a popular game. ArenaNet is not going to sift through a bunch of threads/posts when 90% of them are just by trolls. It's counter productive and a waste of time.
ArenaNet is always watching their game. It's not about listening to the community and doing what they want. It's about doing what they know is best for their game. They've always done this by close examination of what the community is up to. They're not stupid. They don't need a forum to realize mistakes in their game. You only think they need a forum because not only you don't like GW1, but you've been implying for some time that ArenaNet is an incompetent game developer. Again, I'll just have to say you may not like what they do, but I see no difference in the way you talk about GW1 and the way people who don't like the FPS genre talk about FPS games. It's just not your style. That doesn't mean it's a bad game or horribly developed.
Red text: I had a good laugh haha thanks.
Green text: Back on topic I would like them to have their own forums at launch not because I want them there to bash the game but because it's a very good community tool and most people don't want to have to go through fan sites to have a chat with their owns servers to organize events. A good game would have the fans shutting up the trolls easily enough without mods having to intervene.(most posts so far i've read from people bashing GW2 have been because they are misinformed)
In my mind most people would trust Anet to handle the forums, they could even just get some active folks from the community to handle the moderation for them for free.
They be in yo house snatchin' yo babies up.
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Laying low here. Not much else to say until we actually lay hands on the game.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
"We shouldn't have official forums because there will be trolls" is a really poor argument. It's the internet. There are trolls everywhere. Should we shut down every website on the off chance a troll happens by?
Other people have explained why we official forums are good, and I've said all I can (or care to say) about why Guru can't fulfill this roll.
We need official forums. I can only hope ANet realizes this.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
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"Don't mistake a fun game for a good game... Checkers is fun to play but its not exactly the highest point of gaming design... and definatly not worth $60 plus $15 a month"
I agree with most of this post.
I think to many of the Guru mods are just in it for the power trip and actually enjoy finding reasons to delete posts that the day or week before were considered fine. People that won't conform usually leave the site and those that do conform are so overly cautious in what they post that everything becomes homoginized into one big group think.
It doesn't provide anything useful in the way of feedback for Arenanet, because many points that don't match the mod's points of view, or what they perceive to be what Arenanet "wants to hear", gets quashed.
The funny thing is that often the mods disagree with each other, but since they have likely earned their mod positions by showing their devotion to and acceptance of the site's arbitrary and often petty form of moderation, they just accept the abuses of their fellow mods. I'm guessing all the mods aren't bad, but the "moderator's culture" that has developed there is broken.
It's their site and they can do what they want. The problem is that Arenanet has played such heavy favorites with the site that it's just all that much more difficult for alternatives to develop and thrive.
This site isn't perfect, but it's still the best general MMORPG site. The forum moderation is also pretty spot on. Arenanet would do a lot more to cater to MMORPG players who aren't already commited fans by commenting here and developing a relationship with the MMORPG.com staff. They should also reach out to the other GW2 fan sites and forums, to make it clear they support them all and haven't just decided to make Guru their defacto Golden Child and surrogate developer's forum.
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yeah shroom mage, your pretty much dead wrong. I cant really get into destroying your arguments brick for brick, because it will just end in bannings, but you don't know what you are talking about.
Stop spreading lies. And stop taking things out of context. using "blue please" as a reference. I laughed at the losing credibility. you take things out of context and immediately base your conclusions on what i have/havent played/read/seen/debated. don't assume, know.
a lot of people here are butt hurt overr guru. get over yourself.
Good or bad, Guru is the first site shown on the Guild Wars Fansite Roster. It is the first link that players have hit for years to find a forum discussing GW. It has seen a high number of visits due to this and with the content that this positioning generates it enjoys high visibility in search engine results.
When Guru decided to split off a dedicated GW2 forum the community ( cough, cough ) was already there.
Guru is nothing compared to what it was 5 years ago and even then it was full of chavvs.
Unfortunately, like WOW, it would have to become pretty awful for it to loose it’s crown.
deadlybetties looks interesting, thanks
I am going to stop posting on this topic because I don't see how it helps anything but creating more rants. No matter how valid your complaints may be, I realize nothing about that forum is going to be done in another forum, there is just no use.
Actually I could say one thing: the reason some topics are easily closed may have something to do with the size of the forum
. Take care.
Everyone stop bickering about GWGuru. It won't solve anything anyway here. FInd a new and better GW2 community. See sig below. ;-)
I'd like to revoke my statement with regards to "Shroom Mage" just being a lame troll. I don't want to start lies about other forums because of him.