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EA stock up 6% , TOR fears subside
Cavod
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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ea-shares-snap-back-as-outlook-fears-subside-2012-02-02
as of the moment of posting this
What a different two weeks makes.
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Edit: Resized image, was getting cut off.
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
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Premeptive: "TOR fears subside" is taken from the market watch article
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
Isn't the stock market sort of volatile and prone to changing without notice? Something like 70% of trading is handled by automated systems (which is why it dropped 1,000 points awhile back, if you remember).
The only reason I'd be concerned about EA's stock is if I owned some. If I didn't own any, I'd be waiting for a temporary drop in their stock price before buying some.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I don't know about the facts, but I do agree with the overall point of your first paragraph.
I do remember it dropping a while back which is precisely why I posted this. Users have shown an interest in EA's stock, it's relation to TOR and articles from that site. This is the follow up to that. The same site is now declaring 'fears residing'.
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
I saw that article linked from Joystiq.com, and thought about posting it.
I hope this game continues to trend upward. I intend to subscribe for at least 2 yrs regardless of how much I am playing. I realize that is fanboi material, but it doesnt matter. I have gotten so much fun out of KOTOR, BG 1/2, ME 1/2, and DA 1/2(yes I luved Varric and Isabella) that I will continue to support them. As much as I looked forward to TOR, I am doubly so with ME3.....which is my favorite series of all time.
TOR gave me pretty much what I wanted out of a single player PVE MMO experience*. I hope they can continue to produce new content for it, and aim to support them in their efforts.
* = I play SP cause of health reasons. Taking numerous bathroom runs, logging due to hurting, or playing under influence of a Vicodin or two doesnt typically make others happy.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
[mod edit] Try hitting the little tab on that stock window that show's you EA's last 6 month's? Notice a steady decline for the last 5 months? Do you also see that the stock actually continues to drop right throught the launch of TOR and it still hasnt increased at all?
A 6% increase today when the last 6 months they've lost almost 50% of their stock's value isn't exactly good.
Short covering.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Nice if you're day trading... otherwise I wouldn't get too worked up about a 6% move. If it turns into a push back into the mid 20's... great! Could just as easily be gone by next friday.
You do realize the markets have had one of the worst years in ages. Fortune 500 companies across the board are down outside of a few here and there. I'm not a fan of EA much but considering the economic climate I would be thrilled to see a 6 percent gain. We'll see if it last but to say o ea's been down for 6 months, do you own stock? most of it that I'm holding IS down its the market once again.
say you are an investor !swtor sold 2.06 million world wide (approximativly)and asia didnt receive copy yet,so if i was the investor i would be like cheer this can only at worst stand still (highly unlikly)and if the game stall they just lunch asian market version for korea,china etc and boom the are garantied to have another 2 million!so investement wise. i would be happy with a good lunch like this!and with their news ads campain coming soon!i would be very happy has a bw investor!
/facepalms
I imagine this is has been mentioned in other threads, but EA's stock doesn't rise and fall solely based upon the performance of one game (regardless how high expectations are for its performance). In fact, there is a saying that is popular in the investment community that is especially relevant now: correlation does not equal causation (meaning, the dip in EA's price seems related to the doubt about TOR's longevity... but, that does not mean the dip was actually *CAUSED* by those concerns).
It is much more likely that the prolonged drop in price is due to this pesky little thing called the European debt crisis which has been weighing down all sectors and markets for quite awhile now. You see... the slowdown of the global economy and lukewarm consumer sentiment/spending likely has a lot more to do with the price decline than perceptions about the performance of one game. Likewise, recent employment figures and other positive economic indicators are likely behind the uptick (but, considering the persistent problem of European debt, I would guess it will be a short-lived improvement).
TL;DR You ppl are making a big deal about something for all the wrong reasons.
Investors are just trying to get in before the server merges announcement so they can cash in happens
every time.
You may wish to inform the author's of said linked articles of this information. If there is something wrong which needs to be corrected, it's always best to go to the source.
By 'you ppl' I sure hope you're not including me in that. 'don't shoot the messenger' etc.
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
@gw1228 -- A good point and I don't mean to minimize the risk. EA is a huge company though (assets valued around $5 billion and revenue around $3.5billion), so it is possible that even if TOR doesn't pan out as they expect, they will keep chugging right along (I admit it will hurt, though).
@cavod -- I'm sorry about that. I'm half asleep and was just about to turn in when I saw this thread. I shouldn't have posted, especially when I can barely read straight. I doubt the authors of the original article need my info (and, I'm offering opinions more than facts, of course). Still, what I am saying about macroeconomic factors is widely known and discussed in mainstream financial news (e.g., WSJ, The Economist, Forbes, etc.).
TOR *is* important, I just don't think it is what is causing the swings in EA's share prices (at least not yet). There will be a considerable lag between the performance of the game and changes in share prices.
And with that, good night. Didn't mean to crap on the thread. xD
Actually, according to a number I pulled out of my hair (which is where your number comes from), SWTOR cost 500M to make with a 500M marketing budget! /sarcasm
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Ok now I m gonna leave here and go play SWTOR
@ mustaphamond:trust me EA read more in this then us i am sure,this was a warning to EA.and they know it!i bet ea called bw the same day fluctuation up and down occured.when variation of this magnitude happen,trust me phone get red on those days to make sure to correct the various situation.as for ea stock not varying only because of swtor .investor are not known for their patience and understanding on average ,if EA or any other corp is perceived static ,and not dynamic (like they are expected to be) trust me the market will react same thing with activision and all other.i bet the patch leak on torhead helped calm down the market but now bw has to deliver the polish first and formost and this alone is a big undertaking .stuff like the amd suggestion for memory optimisation at the cost of fps if it truelly is in the game has to go etc etc!
No problem.
I agree that there are more factors to a company's stock than what one game is or is not doing.
At any rate, it's quite the positive for their stock to recover the 3% that it dropped about two weeks ago. Whether it'll hold or not is another story. EA's stock is like a rollercoaster.
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
Between the lack of capitalization, poor spelling/grammar, and incoherence -- I don't know where to begin.... ;o_O
Let me try this, because a picture is worth a thousand words... .
Here is a chart for the last year of a "total stock market" index fund (meaning, this a broad representation of the entire US stock market):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/75890859@N06/6814903289/
And here is one for the NASDAQ (which EA is part of):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/75890859@N06/6814903309/
Notice how they are virtually identical? Can you see the similarity? (;-_-)
Most of the dips are due to worries about several European countries defaulting on their debt. There are worries that countries like Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain are unable to pay back loans that many European banks hold. American banks are invested in these European banks, so if the European banks don't get their money, it effectively screws our economy too because our banks lose money when the European banks start to go belly up....
Also, most of the gains you see in the chart are based upon economic data which suggest things are okay (and announcements that the European Union is dealing with the problems effectively). Here is an example of the type of economic data (and market response) that I am talking about:
http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-good-markets-20120203,0,6751385.story
Considering the Nasdaq (which EA is part of) is at its highest point since the year 2000, I would *HOPE* that EA's price has reflected some kind of gain. However, the gains are (likely) short-lived because even though investors are told that the European debt crisis is under control and economic data show an improvement in the domestic and global economy, something always tends to happen that shows Europe's debt crisis is not even close to being solved.
Like this: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/01/opinion/making-it-worse-in-europe.html?_r=1
Finally, here is EA's stock chart for the last year:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/75890859@N06/6814903267
While I will admit that EA's chart is not nearly as identical as the first two, if you look closely, you will see that most of the major dips and peaks on EA's chart match the same dips and peaks found on the above two charts.
To put it simply: Most of the fluctuations in stock price are due to global/macroeconomic factors, NOT the performance (or perceptions about the performance) of a single game, regardless of how important that game is to EA's bottom line.
And, if you are having trouble following what I am talking about, I'll steal one of your own lines that you use over and over again: TRUST ME ;P
Edited to apologize that I couldn't get the image tool to work properly.
You guys do realize that any company that sells MMOs, the date of release of said MMO makes the companies' stocks jump, then it tanks after a few weeks when the dust clears.
I guess I'm just "wasting my time" by bumping this thread, but maybe the few ppl here who actually aren't satisfied to be totally ignorant and clueless about the world around them will appreciate this: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/11/us-markets-global-weekahead-idUSTRE81911Y20120211 <--- this is the exact stuff I am talking about (and notice how the markets dropped on Friday... I didn't check EA's price, but I wouldn't be surprised if its stock saw a propotional drop in relation to the broader market).
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Okay. The rest of you can now go back to your mindless button mashing... back to dreaming up fanciful scenarios about corporate balance sheets that have no basis in reality. Enjoy the ignorance. I hear it's *blissful* this time of year (at least before the house of cards comes crashing down around all of us).
As for me, I will at least know wtf is happening if the shit hits the fan. When that happens and everybody is shitting bricks, I'll be sure to check out the "Recent forum posts" here to look for the entertaining "theories" advanced by those of you who would rather herp derp than learn something. Oh, and about those threads.... inb4 "the failure of SW:TOR and persistent success of WoW accidentally the whole economy!!!!" gets posted over and over and over again ... *braces for it and facepalms*
TOR is going to decline rapidly if you ask me. People won't be comparing it to WoW that is for sure. Maybe RIFT, but I see RIFT coming out on top over time.
That's interesting since the server i play in SWTOR is growing, while i logged in Rift yesterday (it's been some time) to find my server has been made into a test server and i have to go to another one.
So many people on these forums say WOW is crap even though so many people play or have played it and for long periods of time. So if that is the case then numbers should not be used as a case when trying to say if a MMO is good or bad or those people are proven hypocrits. You can't have it both ways!
My opinion is that it has some frustrating bugs,downtimes, and some eccentric decisions on gameplay but overall the positives far outweigh the negatives. It will be around for a long time and it will be considered a very successful MMO later on.
I didn't get it . Your post sounds like the ramblings of a street dude with a shopping cart. Do you like the game or not.