I wouldn't necessarily argue that any of those things are untrue, but to me the opinion part enters base on how important you find those things
To you, the linear planets is a negative, but many people don't mind or even enjoy linear gameplay.
The 200 hours thing is very heavily opinion based. First of all, Bioware NEVER said 200 hours of UNIQUE content. That is something you guys added into the conversation to say " see? They lied!!!!".
They said there was 200 hours of STORY BASED gameplay per class. That is true.
Again, the opinion enters into this statement based on how you weight the fact. Many people don't care. I would argue that even if the quests overlap, there is still uniqueness on each class because of the fact that the classes are all played differently with different abilities.
In my opinion, each class plays uniquely, so the experience is different. Playing a juggernaut and a sniper are very different experiences to me. They provide uniqueness built right into the class. I find that there are hundreds of hours of unique gameplay on each class because of this. You dont think this qualifies as unique gameplay differences, I do. That's the beauty of opinion.
You think the game is "heavily instanced/phased". Again, I don't agree. There are phases for the story, but they are very short usually, and are not happening all over. Maybe 15% of the quests.
As far as world sharding/instancing goes, it barely even happens at all anymore. It's pretty much not in use very often any more.
The word "heavily" makes this your opinion, not fact. I fondthe phasing/instancing to be very minimal.
Linear questing planet design:
Did you know there are ways to skip entire planets? Did you know there are multiple paths to leveling outside of questing? PvP eliminated the need to even do the side quests same with space missions.
What you say is true, the planets are linear as in they are in order, but they are skippable and the side quests can be done in different orders.
The fact that you left out how it is possible to level quicker in PvP than questing makes your "fact" incomplete. In my opinion theultiple paths make up for this.
A couple skills per talent tree is factually true. It's your opinion that this is bad. It's not my opinion that this is negative.
Each class does play differently , you are so right and that makes playing an alt absolutely fantastic, much different experience than most mmo's
The first mmo i ever played was Ever quest, I thought it was an interesting and fascinating idea and looked like alot of fun but I could not really play it on my Pentium pro, I than tried UO and could not fall in love with its top down, skills progression system, then came Shadowbane, no quests (which took me time to get used to) but a great grouping game with incredible suspense, you could even build your own city, The bugs though were freaky-you could shoot at people half a world away and hit them LOL and the game much to my regret faded into oblivion.
I started playing vanilla wow and enjoyed its quests and challenging combat, it was the perfect game for a casual semi hc player like myself, but i could not stick with it as it lacked the suspense of Shadowbane, I then Beta tested Vanguard and thought "what a charming game but you need a monster computer to run it, we told dev to make sure they optimized it but alas they did not and lost most of their pop and the game has not recovered.
I played other mmo's Eve, Eq2, lotro (it almost had me hooked with its beautiful graphics and sound and great story line) Fe, darkfall, etc and then I met AOC and it enthralled me with its neat combo system of combat and it super graphics combined with its great story, cut scenes and voice overs. Then I left Tortage and it was like someone kicked me in the stomach, no more voice overs,cut scenes I also realized that if you chose a melee character you would be seriously compromised in PvP, they had huge walls of text to make up for the lack of vo , who wanted to read that!!! and if you did stop to read you could be attacked by other players-no thanks.
Swtor than came into my life, like a sweet breeze blowing through your hair on a hot day, It was filled with great star wars story , cut scenes, voice overs , a similar but better combat system than Wow. This game brought Suspense back to me, there was political intrigue, betrayal,friendships made and broken. I found myself grouping and i rarely group in games and darn I WAS ENJOYING IT. Social points how cool was that. The first time I played Kotar I felt the same way, I was home and they say you can never go home again-not true. Another poster commented that it is not necessarily all the features in a game that make it fun , but it is that one or two or three features that you can grab onto that lead the way.
The last couple of weeks I have tried other Mmo's and it was not the same , the wall of text was a wall to continuation for me, the combat blah, the story non existent (except in lotro) where are the vo/cut scenes that bring my game to life and provide me with immersion so I feel like I am in the game, where is the intrigue, the fun and funny companions, the story, story , story, where is it? No where my friend and that is why SWTOR has ruined me for other MMO's. Yes for the first time in my life I am not playing an mmo for one or two months and than switching to another. There is no place like Home.
Your credibility went right out the window with that comment. Unless you are mentaly retarted (In that case, i'm sorry), you can't possibly think the 'combat system' in SWTOR is better than wow. It's not even a matter of personal opinion. The combat system in SWTOR is terrible. I'm talking even worse than warhammer.
I think that most people who have played both games would disagree with you and I am just one of them
In the end it doesnt matter what any of us think, if one enjoys it, perfect, a happy customer, if one does not, oh well you cant please everyone, and that is the ONLY fact that matters here. No matter what a company does they will not create a game that will make everyone happy, period. Bioware was trying to create a game that would be reasonably fun and make some money at the same time, have they done this? most likely.
What I am really tired of on this website is all the folks out there expecting companies to make them a game that will somehow "change thier lives" or "make them whole" its kind of pathetic acctualy. These are video games guys, if you want a real sandbox expierience go outdoors, climb a cliff, ride a mountain bike, learn how to cook...for real....Im sorry but more an more mmo players are just looking to replace thier lives with a game and its sickening.
"Well let me just quote the late-great Colonel Sanders, who said…’I’m too drunk to taste this chicken." - Ricky Bobby
"This game brought Suspense back to me, there was political intrigue, betrayal,friendships made and broken. "
What story line were you playing? I do not remember any real twists to the plot as a Jedi Knight. It was pretty cliche and the dialogue was cringe inducing in it's awefullness, especially the Kira Carsen dialogue.
" I found myself grouping and i rarely group in games and darn I WAS ENJOYING IT. "
Realy, you have played that many MMOs for that long and you weren't big into grouping?
" a similar but better combat system than Wow. "
Realy..How so? Could you explain what you mean by "Better"?
"The last couple of weeks I have tried other Mmo's and it was not the same , ""
"Yes for the first time in my life I am not playing an mmo for one or two months and than switching to another. "
which is it? I thought you were..."Enjoying it"?
I am glad you are liking the game BUT I shall not alow you to misrepresent your product
what he said
Lame. Just a lame attempt to bust you bubble OP, ignore them. I too am playing and I may never play another MMO. I have suddenly even lost interest in pretty much all upcoming games and I have always looked to mmorpg.com for info on new games. I don't even know why I'm here right now when I could be playing SWTOR.
Dont worry about it Wren, there are alot of half glass empty people out there and alot of people with very unrealistic expectations or with little patience, again this is not a game you are racing to finish. it is a game to be savored and enjoyed
Theodwulf brought up some interesting topics.. care to talk about them instead of attacking people's characters?
I allready did , page 2, would you like me to do a cutscene/voice over of me answering his comment lol
The suspense is hot. It's not suspense like sitting on the edge of your seat, dripping with sweat, stunned that one of main story characters just got their head chopped off, like a Game of Thrones type book. But you do have a nice interest in finding out whats gonna happen next.
The imperial agent storyline is damn good. DAMN GOOD. Even the voice actor was sickening (awesome). The jedi knight storyline was interesting enough for me to keep going till the end. No major OMG plot twists but it was ok. The "OMG" part is trying to figure out if I could ever go back to another MMO that didn't have story woven into the game like this. Thx SWTOR, I'm ruined too...
In the end it doesnt matter what any of us think, if one enjoys it, perfect, a happy customer, if one does not, oh well you cant please everyone, and that is the ONLY fact that matters here. No matter what a company does they will not create a game that will make everyone happy, period. Bioware was trying to create a game that would be reasonably fun and make some money at the same time, have they done this? most likely.
What I am really tired of on this website is all the folks out there expecting companies to make them a game that will somehow "change thier lives" or "make them whole" its kind of pathetic acctualy. These are video games guys, if you want a real sandbox expierience go outdoors, climb a cliff, ride a mountain bike, learn how to cook...for real....Im sorry but more an more mmo players are just looking to replace thier lives with a game and its sickening.
i was just looking a decent sci-fi MMO that didn't copy and paste everything from the past 15 years aside from full VO.. guess I'm being WAY to picky though..
That is exactly why I would go from mmo to mmo with the exception of shadowbane, lotro and vanguard ' even those I could not play longer than 4 months at a time. Racing to the top was just not for me I needed something more and with SWTOR i got it
very curious here how does swtor give you "something more" besides the story
I get a kick out of this, you act like the story is a minor thing, to those of us who love SWTOR it is quite major and along with the vo and cs it makes it seriously fun
In the end it doesnt matter what any of us think, if one enjoys it, perfect, a happy customer, if one does not, oh well you cant please everyone, and that is the ONLY fact that matters here. No matter what a company does they will not create a game that will make everyone happy, period. Bioware was trying to create a game that would be reasonably fun and make some money at the same time, have they done this? most likely.
What I am really tired of on this website is all the folks out there expecting companies to make them a game that will somehow "change thier lives" or "make them whole" its kind of pathetic acctualy. These are video games guys, if you want a real sandbox expierience go outdoors, climb a cliff, ride a mountain bike, learn how to cook...for real....Im sorry but more an more mmo players are just looking to replace thier lives with a game and its sickening.
i was just looking a decent sci-fi MMO that didn't copy and paste everything from the past 15 years aside from full VO.. guess I'm being WAY to picky though..
Voice Over? Choreographed combat? Cinematic interactive cutscenes? Dozens of Star Wars storylines?
That's not exatly copy and paste. You might as well call every MMO in the past 10 years copy and paste.
Dont worry about it Sur confusion is rampant on these forums lol. The story in SWTOR is very suspensefull, one second someone is your friend the next they want to kill you. When the quest come on just dont press the space bar and you will see what i mean
gonna take a shot in the dark you don't watch a lot of movies, read many books, play many SRPGs, or get out much do you?
Usually when someone cannot answer a question or put forth one that makes sense they turn into a troll , I am not saying this is you san but it is something to think about
In the end it doesnt matter what any of us think, if one enjoys it, perfect, a happy customer, if one does not, oh well you cant please everyone, and that is the ONLY fact that matters here. No matter what a company does they will not create a game that will make everyone happy, period. Bioware was trying to create a game that would be reasonably fun and make some money at the same time, have they done this? most likely.
What I am really tired of on this website is all the folks out there expecting companies to make them a game that will somehow "change thier lives" or "make them whole" its kind of pathetic acctualy. These are video games guys, if you want a real sandbox expierience go outdoors, climb a cliff, ride a mountain bike, learn how to cook...for real....Im sorry but more an more mmo players are just looking to replace thier lives with a game and its sickening.
i was just looking a decent sci-fi MMO that didn't copy and paste everything from the past 15 years aside from full VO.. guess I'm being WAY to picky though..
If you were looking at SWTOR I can't imagine what you were thinking. It's like buying ice cream and complaining because it's cold. Again and again and again. Time to get over it. Oh look there's a whole bunch of people bitching about Tera. Time to move the herd on to the next corral. Head 'em, up move 'em out there Rowdy.
Tera isn't really that good.. blade & soul combat is a ton better hopefully that game will get a NA release.. either way I still don't get the atiitude you SHOULD of been expecting exactly what was released and blah blah blah.. bottom line for me this game does not feel like the most expensive MMO ever created and in many ways feels worse than games like Rift on the MMO side. Game is a letdown to me and many others plain and simple.. I don't feel I had any sort of insane expectations at all, not even close.
In the end it doesnt matter what any of us think, if one enjoys it, perfect, a happy customer, if one does not, oh well you cant please everyone, and that is the ONLY fact that matters here. No matter what a company does they will not create a game that will make everyone happy, period. Bioware was trying to create a game that would be reasonably fun and make some money at the same time, have they done this? most likely.
What I am really tired of on this website is all the folks out there expecting companies to make them a game that will somehow "change thier lives" or "make them whole" its kind of pathetic acctualy. These are video games guys, if you want a real sandbox expierience go outdoors, climb a cliff, ride a mountain bike, learn how to cook...for real....Im sorry but more an more mmo players are just looking to replace thier lives with a game and its sickening.
Agreed alot of people want ther version of the perfect game and when they do not get it they become morose and super negative
Dont worry about it Sur confusion is rampant on these forums lol. The story in SWTOR is very suspensefull, one second someone is your friend the next they want to kill you. When the quest come on just dont press the space bar and you will see what i mean
gonna take a shot in the dark you don't watch a lot of movies, read many books, play many SRPGs, or get out much do you?
Usually when someone cannot answer a question or put forth one that makes sense they turn into a troll , I am not saying this is you san but it is something to think about
your calling me a troll when you just posted about 3 pages of replies with 1 sentance answers and most added nothing to the argument? ok then. I'm just trying to figure out how and in what world people find this such an amazing game.. I would love to be their also.. if there was another big sci-fi MMO out there I would be playing it but there isn't.
The suspense is hot. It's not suspense like sitting on the edge of your seat, dripping with sweat, stunned that one of main story characters just got their head chopped off, like a Game of Thrones type book. But you do have a nice interest in finding out whats gonna happen next.
The imperial agent storyline is damn good. DAMN GOOD. Even the voice actor was sickening (awesome). The jedi knight storyline was interesting enough for me to keep going till the end. No major OMG plot twists but it was ok. The "OMG" part is trying to figure out if I could ever go back to another MMO that didn't have story woven into the game like this. Thx SWTOR, I'm ruined too...
yes the suspense is very good, while I dont think we are talking academy award winners necessarily we are looking at very good writing here
i was just looking a decent sci-fi MMO that didn't copy and paste everything from the past 15 years aside from full VO.. guess I'm being WAY to picky though..
Voice Over? Choreographed combat? Cinematic interactive cutscenes? Dozens of Star Wars storylines?
That's not exatly copy and paste. You might as well call every MMO in the past 10 years copy and paste.
every MMO in the past 10 years or so HAS been mostly a copy & paste job which is sad and as you can see from the history of MMOs most of these fail. I just would think by now dev's would see this but guess not.. and choreographed combat? really? only way it somewhat looks choreographed is if you are melee against another melee and sit directly infront of them and exchange blows. And even in doing this you only have a couple of actual animations so it's basically the same thing over nad over.. while it is slightly better animations than standard past MMOs it's really nothing to write home about.
Also the storylines are fine for a SRPG but don't add a whole lot to the whole MMO aspect of the game
Dont worry about it Sur confusion is rampant on these forums lol. The story in SWTOR is very suspensefull, one second someone is your friend the next they want to kill you. When the quest come on just dont press the space bar and you will see what i mean
gonna take a shot in the dark you don't watch a lot of movies, read many books, play many SRPGs, or get out much do you?
Usually when someone cannot answer a question or put forth one that makes sense they turn into a troll , I am not saying this is you san but it is something to think about
your calling me a troll when you just posted about 3 pages of replies with 1 sentance answers and most added nothing to the argument? ok then. I'm just trying to figure out how and in what world people find this such an amazing game.. I would love to be their also.. if there was another big sci-fi MMO out there I would be playing it but there isn't.
I said you may be a troll because your comment was negative without advancing the arguement, it was insults vs constructive crit, you were assuming without facts and you were just trying to get a reaction were'nt you?
why were many of my responses 1 sentance? Because unllike wow i dont need to put a wall of text out there to answer someones question. Why do people find this an amazing game? There are 17 pages here that answer this question!!!! We get it you dont like the game, I cannot say what has allready been said
Originally posted by Kanester It's hard to put my finger on, I loved leveling up and I wouldn't say there was lack of end content either. Just the fact I doesn't feel like a world, What I'm playing now is just like an instanced game like vanguard.
I was with you until the comment about Vanguard. Unless you're talking about the new end-game stuff they added that I haven't seen, VG's dungeons were open, part of the Huge-mongous world. I usually never use that non-word, but it's fitting.
So .. And I know this is off-topic, but how is Vanguard instanced now?
On topic - haven't played sweater, never planned on playing, prolly never will play. I have nothing against it, I just found something that's right for me and have no desire to look any further.
I *am* however glad that the OP found a game they like. After only a couple weeks(if i read it right), it's usually hard to tell though.. But I wish them the best of luck.
I said you may be a troll because your comment was negative without advancing the arguement, it was insults vs constructive crit, you were assuming without facts and you were just trying to get a reaction were'nt you?
why were many of my responses 1 sentance? Because unllike wow i dont need to put a wall of text out there to answer someones question. Why do people find this an amazing game? There are 17 pages here that answer this question!!!! We get it you dont like the game, I cannot say what has allready been said
curious why hang out here on a sunday defending a such great game and not go play.. for me If I really had something I wanted to play I'd probably be doing that not on here trying to find some glimmer of hope for this game.
i asked earlier in this thread why YOU personally feel this is such a wonderful game and I yet to hear any sort of answer to that other than "story is great"
In the end it doesnt matter what any of us think, if one enjoys it, perfect, a happy customer, if one does not, oh well you cant please everyone, and that is the ONLY fact that matters here. No matter what a company does they will not create a game that will make everyone happy, period. Bioware was trying to create a game that would be reasonably fun and make some money at the same time, have they done this? most likely.
What I am really tired of on this website is all the folks out there expecting companies to make them a game that will somehow "change thier lives" or "make them whole" its kind of pathetic acctualy. These are video games guys, if you want a real sandbox expierience go outdoors, climb a cliff, ride a mountain bike, learn how to cook...for real....Im sorry but more an more mmo players are just looking to replace thier lives with a game and its sickening.
i was just looking a decent sci-fi MMO that didn't copy and paste everything from the past 15 years aside from full VO.. guess I'm being WAY to picky though..
If you were looking at SWTOR I can't imagine what you were thinking. It's like buying ice cream and complaining because it's cold. Again and again and again. Time to get over it. Oh look there's a whole bunch of people bitching about Tera. Time to move the herd on to the next corral. Head 'em, up move 'em out there Rowdy.
Tera isn't really that good.. blade & soul combat is a ton better hopefully that game will get a NA release.. either way I still don't get the atiitude you SHOULD of been expecting exactly what was released and blah blah blah.. bottom line for me this game does not feel like the most expensive MMO ever created and in many ways feels worse than games like Rift on the MMO side. Game is a letdown to me and many others plain and simple.. I don't feel I had any sort of insane expectations at all, not even close.
You are the steady drumbeat of rain on an empty city. No one hears you because it's all just white noise that never changes.
never changes? lol go back to a month ago I said this game was easily a 7/10.. now I feel it's about a 5/10.. I Have given numerous examples, shown video, ect.. unlike many others here that just like you say never change and continue their "white noise" statements.
I still say SW:Tor is a safe haven for carebears... And its still frustrating we cant get to them...
Fact Bioware protects carebears in SWTOR from greifing, you cant delevlel them or kill them and Loot all of their gear.. leaving them naked on the ground,
Fact Bioware protects carebears from Scaming. You cant trick and fool people into sending you ingame money, and promise to send dubble the amount back.. but just keeping the money yourself...
Fact Biowar protects carebaers from perma death. You cant kill off peopes Charecters and force them to start over...
Fact Bioware protects carebears from Ninja looting. You get drops randomly how lame is that
Fact Bioware makes use of BOP and BOE. To protect against making any decent IRL cash selling stuff to lazy carebears outside the game..
Fact Bioware is protecting carebears from rage quitting in tears and unsubbing to the game Because of prevoiusly stated facts, how lame is that
All in all Bioware are the carebears champion and they have made a safe haven for them to hang out in.. and we cant get our dirty paws on them..
You need to grow up with the constant use of the term "carebear." If you feel that your manhood is determined by the "hardcoreness" (is that a word) of a "Game," you need to reevaluate your life.
Join the military or become a cop. Trying to prove how "hardcore" you are in a "game" is an oxymoron. Star Wars universe has nothing to do with being hardcore... there are millions and millions of families who fell in love with the franchise and the STORIES associated with the franchise. If a game tries to deliver that same staple of the franchise, and you call it being "carebear" so be it.
BTW - this hardcore sandbox mentality of "I should be able to kill you in open world pvp and steal all your items so that you can farm more gear for the next year" is the DUMBEST thing i've ever heard. You're looking at the past with rose tinted glasses but the reality is, I play an MMO after 13 hours at work and only have an hour or two a night to get my Star Wars fix. Your view of what the game "should be" goes against what the majority wants.
It's the same reason some of you blew a gasket when you heard what the subscriber numbers were based on the press release. "How could it have so many subs, they MUST BE LYING. Any game that I don't like cannot be successful, that's a FACT."
Seriously if i want a good story in my game i'll play a single player game..thats the purpose they serve.
A game can serve any purpose it wants. To say MMO's shouldn't focus on story is a sad testament to the current state of the genre.
I love SWTOR for the same reasons expressed by people on this thread. I don't think I can ever go to a game with pages and pages of text. People won't realize how great SWTOR is in terms of story and content until they have something to compare it to.
Unless other mmo's offer VO, at least for the main story and some important side story chains... a lot of people will complain. I really feel SWTOR has created a point of no return, most new mmo's will likely have some form of voice over or else people will call it a "step back" in the genre.
The real sad things though is that all of you who like the game Lack any Sence of vision.. or want anny type of Innovation. You are happy just to have VOs.. and linear progression that is all that is needed for you to fork up money..
For alot of us this isent Enough.. we want other things then VOs and boring kills quest, running RAids over and over.. And if you like Riads, doing quest and levling, Guess what you can do it for free.. or for a one time Fee like GW2. Its lucky for Bioware that there are people like you, makes their jobb easy, they just have to copy paste and they are done.
But dont expect the rest of us to respect anyone of you for playing this game. We dont.. you know all those old cartoons when someone gets played or are made out to be a fool.. They get a lollipop over their head "SUCKER" that is how the reast of us see when we read your posts.. And if you like to be the laughing stock of the Internet.. Go right ahead...
Zlayer you make some good points of course than you ruin it by insulting your readers. Innovation is important and I do expect bioware to continue to improve things like the Space game and if they dont then I will be dissapointed. Many of us are somewhat dissapointed in MMO's because they lack the fun factor and story line, SWTOR puts the fun factor back into the game . To many of us the mmo treadmill is not where its at, we want a great story with cut scenes and voice overs and we want that in a massive scale
Yep - and you get that with SWTOR - and then you hit 50 and realize (like I did) that this is a giant polished turd. I had such high hopes for SWTOR which makes the disappointment even greater. I can't believe they spent millions of dollars on that piece of crap.
I WAS one of the bigger supporters of SWTOR on this and other forums - was in Beta and bought 2 copies of the Deluxe Edition (my wife never made it past 30 before proclaiming it crap) so I'm not talking outta my ass.
Broken game - broken raiding - broken PVP - worthless crafting and an even worse Space Mini-game. BW hit a milestone LOW with this MMO.
Currently playing SWTOR and it's MUCH better than it was at launch.
Accuracy and opinions are exclusive. They're opinions. They don't have to be accurate. I can say 2+2=7 in my opinion. It is neither innaccurate nor accurate. It is an opinion. Now..your opinion may be I'm full of shit. That is also neither fact nor fiction. Just another opinion. You may question the mathematical elements of my opinion but again..the opinion itself...as a whole...is neither right nor wrong just because someone agrees or disagrees with said opinion. All this is , as you may have already guessed, my opinion.
2+2=7 is not an opinion since the answer is a known fact and if you think that qualifies as a good argument on opinions and facts.. i dunno what to say about that... it's like saying it's my opinion the earth is flat... that's not an opinion that's just being a moron
swtor is heavily instanced/phased... fact
swtor has linear planet design and questing.... fact
swtor gives only a couple of actual skills though talents..... fact
swtor is your basic tab target MMO combat minus autoattack... fact
swtor does not have 200 hours of unique content per class.... fact
swtor dialogue choices do not have major impacts in your overall story and the world around.... fact
Those are facts according to you. Some i may agree or disagree with in varying degress. I like SWTOR despite your "facts"...Just like the math in my example "opinion" was factually inaccurate.....the facts in your statement have nothing to do with opinion except in forming your own opinion based on your own bias or perceptions of experience. They are even subconsciously influenced by past likes/dislikes or bias.. Like i was implying....anything can be an opinion ...even the blatantly false or mathematically disproven. Facts have nothing to do with it. Its merely what someone believes no matter how insubstantiated it may seem to someone else.
in your logic nothing is fact then if EVERYTHING can be seen as an opinion..
Not true. An opinion and fact are exclusive. Only if one is disingenuine and states things as opinion when he really doesn't hold that particular opinion. That's just lying . I did a similar thing as an extreme example..only to distinguish opinion from facts and not to support any argument I may have as to whether SWTOR is good or not.At least that was my intent .LOL..LOL .Lol. I guess I could have just said " I like SWTOR because I find it not too instanced and enjoy the PVP". These elements ...like the math example...may not be true or add up for you..but they are still my opinion. ..I am merely babbling and ranting on the term "opinion" itself. I'll stop now since..as far as this thread is concerned , I've already stated I like the game regardless. The great thing is...after i play some more...I may end up hating the game. Opinions are not set in stone.
The suspense is hot. It's not suspense like sitting on the edge of your seat, dripping with sweat, stunned that one of main story characters just got their head chopped off, like a Game of Thrones type book. But you do have a nice interest in finding out whats gonna happen next.
The imperial agent storyline is damn good. DAMN GOOD. Even the voice actor was sickening (awesome). The jedi knight storyline was interesting enough for me to keep going till the end. No major OMG plot twists but it was ok. The "OMG" part is trying to figure out if I could ever go back to another MMO that didn't have story woven into the game like this. Thx SWTOR, I'm ruined too...
What suspense? These story lines are hackneyed at best. The only "twist" in either that I have seen is in one you get betrayed. Which omg llike can't see it comeing since for about the second half of the chapter you only get warned by everyone that she will betray you.
...and the other ended up working for the other side. Which I must say couldn't see that coming but considering they hardly used the character at all can't say I doubt anyone much cared. I didn't realize who the hell they were even talking about at first because he's hardly used at all but then you're supposed to be shocked I suppose when he ends up betraying you. It lacks any depth and very few notable characters. Not to mention there aren't any climactic builds at all.
It isn't like video games have the greatest wrap for storytelling anyways so not trying to take the game to task over it. I'll take a main story or plot driving the game and world over this though. Simply feels watered down because I guess they had so much to write for. I don't think the story telling in this game is noteworthy in the least outside of maybe a few 'haha hehe' moments for KOTOR fans.
Also, even though you did say it's "suspense" wasn't on the same level as Game of Thrones to even use the two in a comparison on any level other than to compare good story telling to well...you get the idea...is simply wrong on so many levels.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Yep - and you get that with SWTOR - and then you hit 50 and realize (like I did) that this is a giant polished turd. I had such high hopes for SWTOR which makes the disappointment even greater. I can't believe they spent millions of dollars on that piece of crap.
I WAS one of the bigger supporters of SWTOR on this and other forums - was in Beta and bought 2 copies of the Deluxe Edition (my wife never made it past 30 before proclaiming it crap) so I'm not talking outta my ass.
Broken game - broken raiding - broken PVP - worthless crafting and an even worse Space Mini-game. BW hit a milestone LOW with this MMO.
Wow, can't say I'm surprised some are changing their tune but a bit surprised how severe your opinion changed. Really does say something considering how much of an avid supporter of this game you were.
Can't say my opinion has changed yet. Although I never thought this game was anything special or great to begin with. About the only thing that has changed for me is how amazed I am at how badly they have managed server populations and due to how low some are in people it just highlights how awful their lfg mechanics are.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
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Each class does play differently , you are so right and that makes playing an alt absolutely fantastic, much different experience than most mmo's
I think that most people who have played both games would disagree with you and I am just one of them
LOL thanks for that gave me a good laugh..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7AT7nuqmcc
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
In the end it doesnt matter what any of us think, if one enjoys it, perfect, a happy customer, if one does not, oh well you cant please everyone, and that is the ONLY fact that matters here. No matter what a company does they will not create a game that will make everyone happy, period. Bioware was trying to create a game that would be reasonably fun and make some money at the same time, have they done this? most likely.
What I am really tired of on this website is all the folks out there expecting companies to make them a game that will somehow "change thier lives" or "make them whole" its kind of pathetic acctualy. These are video games guys, if you want a real sandbox expierience go outdoors, climb a cliff, ride a mountain bike, learn how to cook...for real....Im sorry but more an more mmo players are just looking to replace thier lives with a game and its sickening.
I allready did , page 2, would you like me to do a cutscene/voice over of me answering his comment lol
The suspense is hot. It's not suspense like sitting on the edge of your seat, dripping with sweat, stunned that one of main story characters just got their head chopped off, like a Game of Thrones type book. But you do have a nice interest in finding out whats gonna happen next.
The imperial agent storyline is damn good. DAMN GOOD. Even the voice actor was sickening (awesome). The jedi knight storyline was interesting enough for me to keep going till the end. No major OMG plot twists but it was ok. The "OMG" part is trying to figure out if I could ever go back to another MMO that didn't have story woven into the game like this. Thx SWTOR, I'm ruined too...
i was just looking a decent sci-fi MMO that didn't copy and paste everything from the past 15 years aside from full VO.. guess I'm being WAY to picky though..
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
I get a kick out of this, you act like the story is a minor thing, to those of us who love SWTOR it is quite major and along with the vo and cs it makes it seriously fun
Voice Over? Choreographed combat? Cinematic interactive cutscenes? Dozens of Star Wars storylines?
That's not exatly copy and paste. You might as well call every MMO in the past 10 years copy and paste.
Usually when someone cannot answer a question or put forth one that makes sense they turn into a troll , I am not saying this is you san but it is something to think about
Tera isn't really that good.. blade & soul combat is a ton better hopefully that game will get a NA release.. either way I still don't get the atiitude you SHOULD of been expecting exactly what was released and blah blah blah.. bottom line for me this game does not feel like the most expensive MMO ever created and in many ways feels worse than games like Rift on the MMO side. Game is a letdown to me and many others plain and simple.. I don't feel I had any sort of insane expectations at all, not even close.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Agreed alot of people want ther version of the perfect game and when they do not get it they become morose and super negative
your calling me a troll when you just posted about 3 pages of replies with 1 sentance answers and most added nothing to the argument? ok then. I'm just trying to figure out how and in what world people find this such an amazing game.. I would love to be their also.. if there was another big sci-fi MMO out there I would be playing it but there isn't.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
yes the suspense is very good, while I dont think we are talking academy award winners necessarily we are looking at very good writing here
every MMO in the past 10 years or so HAS been mostly a copy & paste job which is sad and as you can see from the history of MMOs most of these fail. I just would think by now dev's would see this but guess not.. and choreographed combat? really? only way it somewhat looks choreographed is if you are melee against another melee and sit directly infront of them and exchange blows. And even in doing this you only have a couple of actual animations so it's basically the same thing over nad over.. while it is slightly better animations than standard past MMOs it's really nothing to write home about.
Also the storylines are fine for a SRPG but don't add a whole lot to the whole MMO aspect of the game
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
I said you may be a troll because your comment was negative without advancing the arguement, it was insults vs constructive crit, you were assuming without facts and you were just trying to get a reaction were'nt you?
why were many of my responses 1 sentance? Because unllike wow i dont need to put a wall of text out there to answer someones question. Why do people find this an amazing game? There are 17 pages here that answer this question!!!! We get it you dont like the game, I cannot say what has allready been said
I was with you until the comment about Vanguard. Unless you're talking about the new end-game stuff they added that I haven't seen, VG's dungeons were open, part of the Huge-mongous world. I usually never use that non-word, but it's fitting.
So .. And I know this is off-topic, but how is Vanguard instanced now?
On topic - haven't played sweater, never planned on playing, prolly never will play. I have nothing against it, I just found something that's right for me and have no desire to look any further.
I *am* however glad that the OP found a game they like. After only a couple weeks(if i read it right), it's usually hard to tell though.. But I wish them the best of luck.
curious why hang out here on a sunday defending a such great game and not go play.. for me If I really had something I wanted to play I'd probably be doing that not on here trying to find some glimmer of hope for this game.
i asked earlier in this thread why YOU personally feel this is such a wonderful game and I yet to hear any sort of answer to that other than "story is great"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
never changes? lol go back to a month ago I said this game was easily a 7/10.. now I feel it's about a 5/10.. I Have given numerous examples, shown video, ect.. unlike many others here that just like you say never change and continue their "white noise" statements.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
You need to grow up with the constant use of the term "carebear." If you feel that your manhood is determined by the "hardcoreness" (is that a word) of a "Game," you need to reevaluate your life.
Join the military or become a cop. Trying to prove how "hardcore" you are in a "game" is an oxymoron. Star Wars universe has nothing to do with being hardcore... there are millions and millions of families who fell in love with the franchise and the STORIES associated with the franchise. If a game tries to deliver that same staple of the franchise, and you call it being "carebear" so be it.
BTW - this hardcore sandbox mentality of "I should be able to kill you in open world pvp and steal all your items so that you can farm more gear for the next year" is the DUMBEST thing i've ever heard. You're looking at the past with rose tinted glasses but the reality is, I play an MMO after 13 hours at work and only have an hour or two a night to get my Star Wars fix. Your view of what the game "should be" goes against what the majority wants.
It's the same reason some of you blew a gasket when you heard what the subscriber numbers were based on the press release. "How could it have so many subs, they MUST BE LYING. Any game that I don't like cannot be successful, that's a FACT."
Get over yourself.
Yep - and you get that with SWTOR - and then you hit 50 and realize (like I did) that this is a giant polished turd. I had such high hopes for SWTOR which makes the disappointment even greater. I can't believe they spent millions of dollars on that piece of crap.
I WAS one of the bigger supporters of SWTOR on this and other forums - was in Beta and bought 2 copies of the Deluxe Edition (my wife never made it past 30 before proclaiming it crap) so I'm not talking outta my ass.
Broken game - broken raiding - broken PVP - worthless crafting and an even worse Space Mini-game. BW hit a milestone LOW with this MMO.
Currently playing SWTOR and it's MUCH better than it was at launch.
Not true. An opinion and fact are exclusive. Only if one is disingenuine and states things as opinion when he really doesn't hold that particular opinion. That's just lying . I did a similar thing as an extreme example..only to distinguish opinion from facts and not to support any argument I may have as to whether SWTOR is good or not.At least that was my intent .LOL..LOL .Lol. I guess I could have just said " I like SWTOR because I find it not too instanced and enjoy the PVP". These elements ...like the math example...may not be true or add up for you..but they are still my opinion. ..I am merely babbling and ranting on the term "opinion" itself. I'll stop now since..as far as this thread is concerned , I've already stated I like the game regardless. The great thing is...after i play some more...I may end up hating the game. Opinions are not set in stone.
"it was the perfect game for a casual semi hc player like myself"
Casual semi hardcore player lol
What suspense? These story lines are hackneyed at best. The only "twist" in either that I have seen is in one you get betrayed. Which omg llike can't see it comeing since for about the second half of the chapter you only get warned by everyone that she will betray you.
...and the other ended up working for the other side. Which I must say couldn't see that coming but considering they hardly used the character at all can't say I doubt anyone much cared. I didn't realize who the hell they were even talking about at first because he's hardly used at all but then you're supposed to be shocked I suppose when he ends up betraying you. It lacks any depth and very few notable characters. Not to mention there aren't any climactic builds at all.
It isn't like video games have the greatest wrap for storytelling anyways so not trying to take the game to task over it. I'll take a main story or plot driving the game and world over this though. Simply feels watered down because I guess they had so much to write for. I don't think the story telling in this game is noteworthy in the least outside of maybe a few 'haha hehe' moments for KOTOR fans.
Also, even though you did say it's "suspense" wasn't on the same level as Game of Thrones to even use the two in a comparison on any level other than to compare good story telling to well...you get the idea...is simply wrong on so many levels.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Wow, can't say I'm surprised some are changing their tune but a bit surprised how severe your opinion changed. Really does say something considering how much of an avid supporter of this game you were.
Can't say my opinion has changed yet. Although I never thought this game was anything special or great to begin with. About the only thing that has changed for me is how amazed I am at how badly they have managed server populations and due to how low some are in people it just highlights how awful their lfg mechanics are.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.