So just so we're clear here. The 27 reviews on metacritic that gave the game a 90 or higher score, and possibly even the other 30 reviews that gave it a score between an 80 and 89, are all from dishonest and unscrupulous gaming journalists who were paid by EA, while only the scores under 80 are from "honest" people who were too rightous to accept any sort of bribe that was surely offered to them and felt they needed to "tell it like it is"?
C'mon, be serious.
Most of the reviews we see were done within days of release or even based on the beta.
None of them played until lvl 50, even 30 maybe. The game just gets worse the more you level up.
btw, pretty much all 9 to 10 reviews of GW2 in the first 2 weeks will be paid or worthless as well. there's just not enough time to put it all in perspective for real, especially the WvWvW. anyone who gushes over the reviews(even if it really is that good) is a fool, on principal alone.
Same comment I put in the GW2 forums and it applies to threads like these as well:
"These threads and comments are so funny to me. It shows how hipocritical so many forum posters are. If you post positive reviews about a game you like, then finally, its an outlet being realistic and providing proof to match the commentary. If its positive reviews for a game you don't like, then all of them were paid to give positive reviews and arn't being objective. If it's a negative review for a game you don't like, then some troll posts it and you get 30 pages of supporters and haters going at each other. People need to grow up and realize different strokes for different folks."
I know what you mean, but I don't think GW2 devs said anything like "GW2 is going to change MMOs forever", did they?. That makes a difference. it's not the same to criticise a game whose creators were boasting that their game would be something incredible or to criticise a game made by modest or we could say "normal" honest people, which i think GW2 devs are. BUT I might be wrong I haven't followed much GW2 developement.
you are not wrong one bit. bioware called their game both innovative and flat out revolutionary many times, including live @ E3. they said it would forever change the MMO genre, many times. ArenaNet said many times that they are innovative(can't really argue this either looking at both their games) and they want to try and build the best MMO possible.
they have never outright claimed to have revolutionized or forever changed the game, nor have they made shitloads of these claims before even showing off more than a controlled 10 minutes of their game(with half of those minutes being a cutscene).
Yup check my own post history, I've said it so much. EA/Bioware destroyed themselves by promising too much with marketing scheme and catch phrases and not delivering. Its their fault there is such a negative attitude towards the game.
So just so we're clear here. The 27 reviews on metacritic that gave the game a 90 or higher score, and possibly even the other 30 reviews that gave it a score between an 80 and 89, are all from dishonest and unscrupulous gaming journalists who were paid by EA, while only the scores under 80 are from "honest" people who were too rightous to accept any sort of bribe that was surely offered to them and felt they needed to "tell it like it is"?
C'mon, be serious.
Most of the reviews we see were done within days of release or even based on the beta.
None of them played until lvl 50, even 30 maybe. The game just gets worse the more you level up.
this is the big problem with mmo's and how they don't mesh with the review format....gotta get hits, gotta get paid and get your material out there. can't be beaten to a punch....so you sure as hell cannot play a mmo past level 20.
GW2 is definitely good from what i played of it, and you CAN experience the PVP immediately, but still the reviews will be based on how much fun they had in the short time they played before publishing and nothing more.
Looks like a very fair review. Although "grind" and swtor should never be in the same sentence. Playing ultra casually for 2 months and maxing out isnt exactly a "grinder".
yeah i don't know why people keep mentioning the grind either. i am constantly outleveling content with doing flashpoints, warzones and space combat those give tons of exp ... no reason to do just quests (even if you can't find a flashpoint group)
SWTOR and grind do not go together at all.
The grind they refer to is the end game portion, and the slew of meaningless quests. Fewer quest hubs, with much longer and more well written storylines would have been better. (not talking about the class quests)
I know what you mean, but I don't think GW2 devs said anything like "GW2 is going to change MMOs forever", did they?. That makes a difference. it's not the same to criticise a game whose creators were boasting that their game would be something incredible or to criticise a game made by modest or we could say "normal" honest people, which i think GW2 devs are. BUT I might be wrong I haven't followed much GW2 developement.
you are not wrong one bit. bioware called their game both innovative and flat out revolutionary many times, including live @ E3. they said it would forever change the MMO genre, many times. ArenaNet said many times that they are innovative(can't really argue this either looking at both their games) and they want to try and build the best MMO possible.
they have never outright claimed to have revolutionized or forever changed the game, nor have they made shitloads of these claims before even showing off more than a controlled 10 minutes of their game(with half of those minutes being a cutscene).
Yup check my own post history, I've said it so much. EA/Bioware destroyed themselves by promising too much with marketing scheme and catch phrases and not delivering. Its their fault there is such a negative attitude towards the game.
What turned me from a fan to a critic was how quick they went from "Epic this and Epic that" no groups attacking a single boss, cause that's not epic. Three weeks later,- well we will be using the Trinity dynamic.
I literally got sick to my stomach after following the game for 2 years. Anyone who says they delivered what they promised is full of it. Prior to April 2011, it was a whole different game they were talking about. Luckily, my October beta proved my worst fears. Felt sorry for those who actually bought the game, and my son for cutting my lawn for 4 weeks for me to get his copy. So yeah, they brought this all down on themselves, just like a typical snake oil salesman who doesn't know when to leave town.
I know what you mean, but I don't think GW2 devs said anything like "GW2 is going to change MMOs forever", did they?. That makes a difference. it's not the same to criticise a game whose creators were boasting that their game would be something incredible or to criticise a game made by modest or we could say "normal" honest people, which i think GW2 devs are. BUT I might be wrong I haven't followed much GW2 developement.
you are not wrong one bit. bioware called their game both innovative and flat out revolutionary many times, including live @ E3. they said it would forever change the MMO genre, many times. ArenaNet said many times that they are innovative(can't really argue this either looking at both their games) and they want to try and build the best MMO possible.
they have never outright claimed to have revolutionized or forever changed the game, nor have they made shitloads of these claims before even showing off more than a controlled 10 minutes of their game(with half of those minutes being a cutscene).
Yup check my own post history, I've said it so much. EA/Bioware destroyed themselves by promising too much with marketing scheme and catch phrases and not delivering. Its their fault there is such a negative attitude towards the game.
What turned me from a fan to a critic was how quick they went from "Epic this and Epic that" no groups attacking a single boss, cause that's not epic. Three weeks later,- well we will be using the Trinity dynamic.
I literally got sick to my stomach after following the game for 2 years. Anyone who says they delivered what they promised is full of it. Prior to April 2011, it was a whole different game they were talking about. Luckily, my October beta proved my worst fears. Felt sorry for those who actually bought the game, and my son for cutting my lawn for 4 weeks for me to get his copy. So yeah, they brought this all down on themselves, just like a typical snake oil salesman who doesn't know when to leave town.
I literally got sick to my stomach after following the game for 2 years. Anyone who says they delivered what they promised is full of it. Prior to April 2011, it was a whole different game they were talking about. Luckily, my October beta proved my worst fears. Felt sorry for those who actually bought the game, and my son for cutting my lawn for 4 weeks for me to get his copy. So yeah, they brought this all down on themselves, just like a typical snake oil salesman who doesn't know when to leave town.
I tell this to all people I know who are interested in TOR. SW:TOR is made by BIOWARE AUSTIN. It's just a standard EA studio, but with the Bioware name because EA has a bad name in MMOs. The real Bioware are up in Canada, making Dragon Age 3 and Mass Effect 3.
@Bunks: I'm having fun with the game there are no necessity that you feel sorry for me thank you for the tough.
I feel sorry for must be hard for an adult have an inflated sense of self-importance.
That's quite alright, glad you enjoy the game. but the dozens of my friends who screamed, spewed, cajoled, and other not so nice things, was who I was mainly talking about. Even my own son wanted revenge for being scamed by this POS game. But glad you like it. So not all is lost on it.
Me personally, I would love EA to lose a ton of money, but right now, they are so I am pretty happy. But only becasue I want my hobby to get better from the disease we know as the WOW Copy Syndrome.
@Bunks: I'm having fun with the game there are no necessity that you feel sorry for me thank you for the tough.
I feel sorry for must be hard for an adult have an inflated sense of self-importance.
That's quite alright, glad you enjoy the game. but the dozens of my friends who screamed, spewed, cajoled, and other not so nice things, was who I was mainly talking about. Even my own son wanted revenge for being scamed by this POS game. But glad you like it. So not all is lost on it.
Me personally, I would love EA to lose a ton of money, but right now, they are so I am pretty happy. But only becasue I want my hobby to get better from the disease we know as the WOW Copy Syndrome.
So your friends and son disliked the game? all my friends, and my son and my neighbours loved the game... what does it mean? should i feel sorry for you that you didn't enjoy the game? or how about people feeling sorry for you that you enjoy GW2?
It is very easy to give your opinion without sounding condescending.
@Bunks: I'm having fun with the game there are no necessity that you feel sorry for me thank you for the tough.
I feel sorry for must be hard for an adult have an inflated sense of self-importance.
That's quite alright, glad you enjoy the game. but the dozens of my friends who screamed, spewed, cajoled, and other not so nice things, was who I was mainly talking about. Even my own son wanted revenge for being scamed by this POS game. But glad you like it. So not all is lost on it.
Me personally, I would love EA to lose a ton of money, but right now, they are so I am pretty happy. But only becasue I want my hobby to get better from the disease we know as the WOW Copy Syndrome.
So your friends and son disliked the game? all my friends, and my son and my neighbours loved the game... what does it mean? should i feel sorry for you that you didn't enjoy the game? or how about people feeling sorry for you that you enjoy GW2?
It is very easy to give your opinion without sounding condescending.
Glad to hear a few less vicitms of EA. But my group of guys are a bit "elitist" in nature. I hope for your sake the game hums along at a nice clip so they don't have to shut down the servers, so you see, we both will be happy. You get to keep playing, but EA doesnt get to rake in the cash from a WOW clone. Then investors will stop demanding more wow clones from future developers. They actually start makig games with some inovation, then we all get to enjoy a game. I call that a win win.
@Bunks: I'm having fun with the game there are no necessity that you feel sorry for me thank you for the tough.
I feel sorry for must be hard for an adult have an inflated sense of self-importance.
That's quite alright, glad you enjoy the game. but the dozens of my friends who screamed, spewed, cajoled, and other not so nice things, was who I was mainly talking about. Even my own son wanted revenge for being scamed by this POS game. But glad you like it. So not all is lost on it.
Me personally, I would love EA to lose a ton of money, but right now, they are so I am pretty happy. But only becasue I want my hobby to get better from the disease we know as the WOW Copy Syndrome.
So your friends and son disliked the game? all my friends, and my son and my neighbours loved the game... what does it mean? should i feel sorry for you that you didn't enjoy the game? or how about people feeling sorry for you that you enjoy GW2?
It is very easy to give your opinion without sounding condescending.
Glad to hear a few less vicitms of EA. But my group of guys are a bit "elitist" in nature. I hope for your sake the game hums along at a nice clip so they don't have to shut down the servers, so you see, we both will be happy. You get to keep playing, but EA doesnt get to rake in the cash from a WOW clone. Then investors will stop demanding more wow clones from future developers. They actually start makig games with some inovation, then we all get to enjoy a game. I call that a win win.
Didn't i just tell you that it is easy to give an opinion without sounding condescending? try it.
I don't even play SWTOR but it amazes me the amount of hostility some people have towards gaming companies and other players who surprise..surprise enjoy something you don't. And even though my only experince with SWTOR was during beta..even i know that EA on't shut down SWTOR servers.. no matter how much sick pleasure you would get out of it..sorry not happening.
Different people love different things ..welcome to real life.
games tm magazine (UK magazine) scores it 7/10 "A great narrative can't escape the traps of the genre"
"Better than STO" "Worse than EVE Online"
I do not agree with this as STO and EVE have better space, but ground is non existent in EVE, until Dust 514 is released
Closing paragraph (copied from mag so if there are typos then it is down to me and not the mag):
"There's little doubt that The Old Republic could have been a groundbreaking release, but it instead chooses to hew closeley to the MMO formula, relying too much on the grind and outdated mechanics that don't gel with the Star Wars Licence. Only time will tell if further expansion can lead to a more organic universe worthy of its monthly subscription fee"
To read it all - go to your local newsagents and buy (or just read) it, or search interent and see if someone has scanned it, as I am not typing up the entire review!
Funny how they claim it was not ground breaking, when it was never supposed to be. It has still been the biggest launch in MMO history and no one can dispute that. There has also been no indication the population is dropping, considering they had a 80%+ retention rate after the 2nd month. I also find it hilarious that the reviewer indicates it relies too much on outdated mechanics when those are the mechanics that make the most money and have been the most successful since MMOs started. Saying the game is worse than Eve online is obviously biased towards wanting a full blown space -travel for 45 minutes,afk while you mine, watch tv on other monitor while fighting- fest. You can't even compare Eve and SWTOR, they are not even close to the same. That would be like comparing Call of Duty to Skyrim. It makes no sense, and completely eliminates most,if not all, of the credibility the author had. (Which judging by the site, is probably none anyways)
Saying that the mechanics don't gel with the SW Licence is just ignorance on the authors part. Bioware already made a game with VERY similar gameplay in KOTOR. The "grind" in this game is also the smallest grind in a themepark to date, so that is hardly a good argument. You want to read a review that is honest about the game and not biased? Go to IGN.
" in nature. I hope for your sake the game hums along at a nice clip so they don't have to shut down the servers, so you see, we both will be happy. You get to keep playing, but EA doesnt get to rake in the cash from a WOW clone. Then investors will stop demanding more wow clones from future developers. They actually start makig games with some inovation, then we all get to enjoy a game. I call that a win win.
Didn't i just tell you that it is easy to give an opinion without sounding condescending? try it.
I don't even play SWTOR but it amazes me the amount of hostility some people have towards gaming companies and other players who surprise..surprise enjoy something you don't. And even though my only experince with SWTOR was during beta..even i know that EA on't shut down SWTOR servers.. no matter how much sick pleasure you would get out of it..sorry not happening.
Different people love different things ..welcome to real life.
Sorry you don't get what Im saying, I don't have an opinion. I have my personal experiences. I dont hate the game, those around me are angry because they feel they were scammed by a company who couldnt care two craps about making a product only a profit. What part of that are you having trouble with?
My issue is my hobby, its not my opinion, its like saying I have an opinion as to the weather cycles. As long as EA makes wow clones and profit, the future will be dreary for all of us. So I pray for sunshine. That's not an opinion, its a wish.
games tm magazine (UK magazine) scores it 7/10 "A great narrative can't escape the traps of the genre"
"Better than STO" "Worse than EVE Online"
I do not agree with this as STO and EVE have better space, but ground is non existent in EVE, until Dust 514 is released
Closing paragraph (copied from mag so if there are typos then it is down to me and not the mag):
"There's little doubt that The Old Republic could have been a groundbreaking release, but it instead chooses to hew closeley to the MMO formula, relying too much on the grind and outdated mechanics that don't gel with the Star Wars Licence. Only time will tell if further expansion can lead to a more organic universe worthy of its monthly subscription fee"
To read it all - go to your local newsagents and buy (or just read) it, or search interent and see if someone has scanned it, as I am not typing up the entire review!
Funny how they claim it was not ground breaking, when it was never supposed to be. It has still been the biggest launch in MMO history and no one can dispute that. There has also been no indication the population is dropping, considering they had a 80%+ retention rate after the 2nd month. I also find it hilarious that the reviewer indicates it relies too much on outdated mechanics when those are the mechanics that make the most money and have been the most successful since MMOs started. Saying the game is worse than Eve online is obviously biased towards wanting a full blown space -travel for 45 minutes,afk while you mine, watch tv on other monitor while fighting- fest. You can't even compare Eve and SWTOR, they are not even close to the same. That would be like comparing Call of Duty to Skyrim. It makes no sense, and completely eliminates most,if not all, of the credibility the author had. (Which judging by the site, is probably none anyways)
Saying that the mechanics don't gel with the SW Licence is just ignorance on the authors part. Bioware already made a game with VERY simular gameplay in KOTOR. The "grind" in this game is also the smallest grind in a themepark to date, so that is hardly a good argument. You want to read a review that is honest about the game and not biased? Go to IGN.
Can you repost with some facts please?
"80% retention lol". Where did you pull that figure from?
"No indication the population is dropping". Every metric you can find, charts, server stats, friends list, guild members... suggests otherwise.
Unfortunately there are no hard stats because BW/EA aren't releasing them. No surprise there.
Tell me though, where is the good news from BW/EA?
I've seen nothing!
80% retention or even close would have been something in the news. It's never happened before, ever.
" in nature. I hope for your sake the game hums along at a nice clip so they don't have to shut down the servers, so you see, we both will be happy. You get to keep playing, but EA doesnt get to rake in the cash from a WOW clone. Then investors will stop demanding more wow clones from future developers. They actually start makig games with some inovation, then we all get to enjoy a game. I call that a win win.
Didn't i just tell you that it is easy to give an opinion without sounding condescending? try it.
I don't even play SWTOR but it amazes me the amount of hostility some people have towards gaming companies and other players who surprise..surprise enjoy something you don't. And even though my only experince with SWTOR was during beta..even i know that EA on't shut down SWTOR servers.. no matter how much sick pleasure you would get out of it..sorry not happening.
Different people love different things ..welcome to real life.
Sorry you don't get what Im saying, I don't have an opinion. I have my personal experiences. I dont hate the game, those around me are angry because they feel they were scammed by a company who couldnt care two craps about making a product only a profit. What part of that are you having trouble with?
My issue is my hobby, its not my opinion, its like saying I have an opinion as to the weather cycles. As long as EA makes wow clones and profit, the future will be dreary for all of us. So I pray for sunshine. That's not an opinion, its a wish.
Sorry but from your tone and how you address those who are enjoying SWTOR it's quite obvious that you are angry at the game and those are enjoying it. There is no other deep meaning hidden in your back handed insults and condscending attitude. There are lots of games i hate but i never felt sorry for those who enjoy those games because i am mature enough to understand that people have different tastes.
games tm magazine (UK magazine) scores it 7/10 "A great narrative can't escape the traps of the genre"
"Better than STO" "Worse than EVE Online"
I do not agree with this as STO and EVE have better space, but ground is non existent in EVE, until Dust 514 is released
Closing paragraph (copied from mag so if there are typos then it is down to me and not the mag):
"There's little doubt that The Old Republic could have been a groundbreaking release, but it instead chooses to hew closeley to the MMO formula, relying too much on the grind and outdated mechanics that don't gel with the Star Wars Licence. Only time will tell if further expansion can lead to a more organic universe worthy of its monthly subscription fee"
To read it all - go to your local newsagents and buy (or just read) it, or search interent and see if someone has scanned it, as I am not typing up the entire review!
Funny how they claim it was not ground breaking, when it was never supposed to be. It has still been the biggest launch in MMO history and no one can dispute that. There has also been no indication the population is dropping, considering they had a 80%+ retention rate after the 2nd month. I also find it hilarious that the reviewer indicates it relies too much on outdated mechanics when those are the mechanics that make the most money and have been the most successful since MMOs started. Saying the game is worse than Eve online is obviously biased towards wanting a full blown space -travel for 45 minutes,afk while you mine, watch tv on other monitor while fighting- fest. You can't even compare Eve and SWTOR, they are not even close to the same. That would be like comparing Call of Duty to Skyrim. It makes no sense, and completely eliminates most,if not all, of the credibility the author had. (Which judging by the site, is probably none anyways)
Saying that the mechanics don't gel with the SW Licence is just ignorance on the authors part. Bioware already made a game with VERY simular gameplay in KOTOR. The "grind" in this game is also the smallest grind in a themepark to date, so that is hardly a good argument. You want to read a review that is honest about the game and not biased? Go to IGN.
Can you repost with some facts please?
"80% retention lol". Where did you pull that figure from?
"No indication the population is dropping". Every metric you can find, charts, server stats, friends list, guild members... suggests otherwise.
Unfortunately there are no hard stats because BW/EA aren't releasing them. No surprise there.
Tell me though, where is the good news from BW/EA?
I've seen nothing!
80% retention or even close would have been something in the news. It's never happened before, ever.
OMG they creep out of the woodwork don't they?
You want facts? How about the investor call where EA said they had 1.7 million subs? Funny how you say that, yet you follow up with an unbacked "fact" of yours claiming there are metrics that prove otherwise.
games tm magazine (UK magazine) scores it 7/10 "A great narrative can't escape the traps of the genre"
"Better than STO" "Worse than EVE Online"
I do not agree with this as STO and EVE have better space, but ground is non existent in EVE, until Dust 514 is released
Closing paragraph (copied from mag so if there are typos then it is down to me and not the mag):
"There's little doubt that The Old Republic could have been a groundbreaking release, but it instead chooses to hew closeley to the MMO formula, relying too much on the grind and outdated mechanics that don't gel with the Star Wars Licence. Only time will tell if further expansion can lead to a more organic universe worthy of its monthly subscription fee"
To read it all - go to your local newsagents and buy (or just read) it, or search interent and see if someone has scanned it, as I am not typing up the entire review!
Funny how they claim it was not ground breaking, when it was never supposed to be. It has still been the biggest launch in MMO history and no one can dispute that. There has also been no indication the population is dropping, considering they had a 80%+ retention rate after the 2nd month. I also find it hilarious that the reviewer indicates it relies too much on outdated mechanics when those are the mechanics that make the most money and have been the most successful since MMOs started. Saying the game is worse than Eve online is obviously biased towards wanting a full blown space -travel for 45 minutes,afk while you mine, watch tv on other monitor while fighting- fest. You can't even compare Eve and SWTOR, they are not even close to the same. That would be like comparing Call of Duty to Skyrim. It makes no sense, and completely eliminates most,if not all, of the credibility the author had. (Which judging by the site, is probably none anyways)
Saying that the mechanics don't gel with the SW Licence is just ignorance on the authors part. Bioware already made a game with VERY simular gameplay in KOTOR. The "grind" in this game is also the smallest grind in a themepark to date, so that is hardly a good argument. You want to read a review that is honest about the game and not biased? Go to IGN.
Can you repost with some facts please?
"80% retention lol". Where did you pull that figure from?
"No indication the population is dropping". Every metric you can find, charts, server stats, friends list, guild members... suggests otherwise.
Unfortunately there are no hard stats because BW/EA aren't releasing them. No surprise there.
Tell me though, where is the good news from BW/EA?
I've seen nothing!
80% retention or even close would have been something in the news. It's never happened before, ever.
OMG they creep out of the woodwork don't they?
You want facts? How about the investor call where EA said they had 1.7 million subs? Funny how you say that, yet you follow up with an unbacked "fact" of yours claiming there are metrics that prove otherwise.
I said metrics that "suggest" otherwise. No facts because BW/EA are doing everything to avoid them.
I don't disagree they had 1.7 million "accounts". If Star Wars can't create that amount of interest, nothing can. Subs is another story.
Did you ever wonder why you had to give your credit card info before you played on release date, even with a "free month". Maybe so they could count them as subs when in-fact a boat load of people cancelled before the month was out?
So long, Games Magazine. It was great while it lasted
How will these guys feed their families if they give out reviews like this?
True that, EA is not going to invite them to review any new titles anymore. We may find it funny, but that's the way it works.
SWTOR deserves 7 as it copies wel mechanics from other successful games. However it fails to cure deseases which plague MMORPG genre. I decided to try it with some friends, despite my better judgement. New theme ( SW) and new to the genre story mode feature ( which is average at best ) kept me interested only for 30 levels. In case you wonder there is nothing interesting to do after level 50. You can try starting a new character, preferably on the other side of the conflict, so you experience different quests.
I Unsubbed a week before the first month ran out.
So basically right here you are admitting that most reviewers are liars saying whatever the developer demands they say to get the right to even test the game.
Personally I would rather my reviewers be honest and fair about a game even if it means paying for a copy of the game out of their own pocket.
Like real journalism, a reviewer that accepts anything from the source of the story or review has already become biased and tainted and lost all credibility. I don't care if all it is, is a bloody T-shirt, once you accept special privlage you are incapable of true integrity.
Sorry you don't get what Im saying, I don't have an opinion. I have my personal experiences. I dont hate the game, those around me are angry because they feel they were scammed by a company who couldnt care two craps about making a product only a profit. What part of that are you having trouble with?
My issue is my hobby, its not my opinion, its like saying I have an opinion as to the weather cycles. As long as EA makes wow clones and profit, the future will be dreary for all of us. So I pray for sunshine. That's not an opinion, its a wish.
Sorry but from your tone and how you address those who are enjoying SWTOR it's quite obvious that you are angry at the game and those are enjoying it. There is no other deep meaning hidden in your back handed insults and condscending attitude. There are lots of games i hate but i never felt sorry for those who enjoy those games because i am mature enough to understand that people have different tastes.
You misread my tone because maybe you are hyper sensitive to how others are experiencing the game you like. So what? Get over it. Many people are angry and upset. They have a right to be, it was their personal experiences. That's how they feel about the game and EA. Myself, its sad because I wanted SWTOR to be what it could have been, but Im not out any time or money. But it will profit me personally if EA fails, so sorry you take it personally, but that's where you will just have to hope I dont get my wish.
Sorry you don't get what Im saying, I don't have an opinion. I have my personal experiences. I dont hate the game, those around me are angry because they feel they were scammed by a company who couldnt care two craps about making a product only a profit. What part of that are you having trouble with?
My issue is my hobby, its not my opinion, its like saying I have an opinion as to the weather cycles. As long as EA makes wow clones and profit, the future will be dreary for all of us. So I pray for sunshine. That's not an opinion, its a wish.
Sorry but from your tone and how you address those who are enjoying SWTOR it's quite obvious that you are angry at the game and those are enjoying it. There is no other deep meaning hidden in your back handed insults and condscending attitude. There are lots of games i hate but i never felt sorry for those who enjoy those games because i am mature enough to understand that people have different tastes.
You misread my tone because maybe you are hyper sensitive to how others are experiencing the game you like. So what? Get over it. Many people are angry and upset. They have a right to be, it was their personal experiences. That's how they feel about the game and EA. Myself, its sad because I wanted SWTOR to be what it could have been, but Im not out any time or money. But it will profit me personally if EA fails, so sorry you take it personally, but that's where you will just have to hope I dont get my wish.
Practise what you preach bro!
And no i didn't misread anything because ia m pretty sure you were feeling sorry for those who are enjoying SWTOR. Hyper sensitive and me? nope i am actually quite prudent in matters like these.
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C'mon, be serious.
Most of the reviews we see were done within days of release or even based on the beta.
None of them played until lvl 50, even 30 maybe. The game just gets worse the more you level up.
btw, pretty much all 9 to 10 reviews of GW2 in the first 2 weeks will be paid or worthless as well. there's just not enough time to put it all in perspective for real, especially the WvWvW. anyone who gushes over the reviews(even if it really is that good) is a fool, on principal alone.
Yup check my own post history, I've said it so much. EA/Bioware destroyed themselves by promising too much with marketing scheme and catch phrases and not delivering. Its their fault there is such a negative attitude towards the game.
this is the big problem with mmo's and how they don't mesh with the review format....gotta get hits, gotta get paid and get your material out there. can't be beaten to a punch....so you sure as hell cannot play a mmo past level 20.
GW2 is definitely good from what i played of it, and you CAN experience the PVP immediately, but still the reviews will be based on how much fun they had in the short time they played before publishing and nothing more.
The grind they refer to is the end game portion, and the slew of meaningless quests. Fewer quest hubs, with much longer and more well written storylines would have been better. (not talking about the class quests)
What turned me from a fan to a critic was how quick they went from "Epic this and Epic that" no groups attacking a single boss, cause that's not epic. Three weeks later,- well we will be using the Trinity dynamic.
I literally got sick to my stomach after following the game for 2 years. Anyone who says they delivered what they promised is full of it. Prior to April 2011, it was a whole different game they were talking about. Luckily, my October beta proved my worst fears. Felt sorry for those who actually bought the game, and my son for cutting my lawn for 4 weeks for me to get his copy. So yeah, they brought this all down on themselves, just like a typical snake oil salesman who doesn't know when to leave town.
precious memories
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/324898/page/1
Gestalt said it best in that thread with this :
I tell this to all people I know who are interested in TOR. SW:TOR is made by BIOWARE AUSTIN. It's just a standard EA studio, but with the Bioware name because EA has a bad name in MMOs. The real Bioware are up in Canada, making Dragon Age 3 and Mass Effect 3.
I feel sorry for must be hard for an adult have an inflated sense of self-importance.
That's quite alright, glad you enjoy the game. but the dozens of my friends who screamed, spewed, cajoled, and other not so nice things, was who I was mainly talking about. Even my own son wanted revenge for being scamed by this POS game. But glad you like it. So not all is lost on it.
Me personally, I would love EA to lose a ton of money, but right now, they are so I am pretty happy. But only becasue I want my hobby to get better from the disease we know as the WOW Copy Syndrome.
So your friends and son disliked the game? all my friends, and my son and my neighbours loved the game... what does it mean? should i feel sorry for you that you didn't enjoy the game? or how about people feeling sorry for you that you enjoy GW2?
It is very easy to give your opinion without sounding condescending.
I wonder if the people who defend this game:
are not in a guild
play solo
don't PvP
The reason I say this is that whilst playing and chatting in Ventrilo, the mood was not the same as in any other game our guild has played together.
There were constant complaints about bugs, low fps, ability delay, getting kicked from warfront to character screen etc.
The whole atmosphere on Vent was something i'd never experienced with any other game.
It wasn't just me, the whole guild were feeling it. The tone wasn't right with anybody and that is something you can feel and hear.
This from a hardcore guild who's policy is strictly one of patience with a new release. We've been there many times.
SWTOR though was a whole different experience and the only game ever that we didn't give at least 6 months.
Glad to hear a few less vicitms of EA. But my group of guys are a bit "elitist" in nature. I hope for your sake the game hums along at a nice clip so they don't have to shut down the servers, so you see, we both will be happy. You get to keep playing, but EA doesnt get to rake in the cash from a WOW clone. Then investors will stop demanding more wow clones from future developers. They actually start makig games with some inovation, then we all get to enjoy a game. I call that a win win.
Didn't i just tell you that it is easy to give an opinion without sounding condescending? try it.
I don't even play SWTOR but it amazes me the amount of hostility some people have towards gaming companies and other players who surprise..surprise enjoy something you don't. And even though my only experince with SWTOR was during beta..even i know that EA on't shut down SWTOR servers.. no matter how much sick pleasure you would get out of it..sorry not happening.
Different people love different things ..welcome to real life.
Funny how they claim it was not ground breaking, when it was never supposed to be. It has still been the biggest launch in MMO history and no one can dispute that. There has also been no indication the population is dropping, considering they had a 80%+ retention rate after the 2nd month. I also find it hilarious that the reviewer indicates it relies too much on outdated mechanics when those are the mechanics that make the most money and have been the most successful since MMOs started. Saying the game is worse than Eve online is obviously biased towards wanting a full blown space -travel for 45 minutes,afk while you mine, watch tv on other monitor while fighting- fest. You can't even compare Eve and SWTOR, they are not even close to the same. That would be like comparing Call of Duty to Skyrim. It makes no sense, and completely eliminates most,if not all, of the credibility the author had. (Which judging by the site, is probably none anyways)
Saying that the mechanics don't gel with the SW Licence is just ignorance on the authors part. Bioware already made a game with VERY similar gameplay in KOTOR. The "grind" in this game is also the smallest grind in a themepark to date, so that is hardly a good argument. You want to read a review that is honest about the game and not biased? Go to IGN.
Sorry you don't get what Im saying, I don't have an opinion. I have my personal experiences. I dont hate the game, those around me are angry because they feel they were scammed by a company who couldnt care two craps about making a product only a profit. What part of that are you having trouble with?
My issue is my hobby, its not my opinion, its like saying I have an opinion as to the weather cycles. As long as EA makes wow clones and profit, the future will be dreary for all of us. So I pray for sunshine. That's not an opinion, its a wish.
Did it makes less than you?
Can you repost with some facts please?
"80% retention lol". Where did you pull that figure from?
"No indication the population is dropping". Every metric you can find, charts, server stats, friends list, guild members... suggests otherwise.
Unfortunately there are no hard stats because BW/EA aren't releasing them. No surprise there.
Tell me though, where is the good news from BW/EA?
I've seen nothing!
80% retention or even close would have been something in the news. It's never happened before, ever.
OMG they creep out of the woodwork don't they?
Sorry but from your tone and how you address those who are enjoying SWTOR it's quite obvious that you are angry at the game and those are enjoying it. There is no other deep meaning hidden in your back handed insults and condscending attitude. There are lots of games i hate but i never felt sorry for those who enjoy those games because i am mature enough to understand that people have different tastes.
Sorry, I don't understand that, could you re-phrase please?
You want facts? How about the investor call where EA said they had 1.7 million subs? Funny how you say that, yet you follow up with an unbacked "fact" of yours claiming there are metrics that prove otherwise.
I said metrics that "suggest" otherwise. No facts because BW/EA are doing everything to avoid them.
I don't disagree they had 1.7 million "accounts". If Star Wars can't create that amount of interest, nothing can. Subs is another story.
Did you ever wonder why you had to give your credit card info before you played on release date, even with a "free month". Maybe so they could count them as subs when in-fact a boat load of people cancelled before the month was out?
Yawn.
So basically right here you are admitting that most reviewers are liars saying whatever the developer demands they say to get the right to even test the game.
Personally I would rather my reviewers be honest and fair about a game even if it means paying for a copy of the game out of their own pocket.
Like real journalism, a reviewer that accepts anything from the source of the story or review has already become biased and tainted and lost all credibility. I don't care if all it is, is a bloody T-shirt, once you accept special privlage you are incapable of true integrity.
You misread my tone because maybe you are hyper sensitive to how others are experiencing the game you like. So what? Get over it. Many people are angry and upset. They have a right to be, it was their personal experiences. That's how they feel about the game and EA. Myself, its sad because I wanted SWTOR to be what it could have been, but Im not out any time or money. But it will profit me personally if EA fails, so sorry you take it personally, but that's where you will just have to hope I dont get my wish.
Practise what you preach bro!
And no i didn't misread anything because ia m pretty sure you were feeling sorry for those who are enjoying SWTOR. Hyper sensitive and me? nope i am actually quite prudent in matters like these.