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Original "Uncensored" Elins (how to get them)
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Where can you show us a link that everyone who is not up in arms about this is a Pedophile?
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
Interesting noone complained about the Popori yet.
But I guess bestiality is not a big deal in games.
"If I had a d*ck, I'd go get laid. But we can do that next best thing... Let's kill people."
You are not following my train of thoughts. If the humans in the game were actually "okay" citizens of the character's ingame civilization + they had given the character no justifiable cause to kill them + they actually die and never respawn + they actually look like unique humans and not clones of each others, then yes we would be reaching the realm where it would be morally wrong for the character to kill them ingame.
Elin have many bodyform traits that make them far more alike normal human female children compared to other stages of the development of a human female. Physical attraction that is based on looks therefore only needs to take consideration to the actual looks; the backstory and age (etc) holds no relevance for that particular attraction.
One form of physical attraction is to find them "cute". Cuteness is supposed to create feelings of caring and nurturing among normal humans. For many people, one important aspect of "caring and nurturing" is to make sure they dress appropriately. It is therefore of interest to ask, even though the subjects may not be honest to themselves or even know themselves, why they don't feel like "caring and nurturing" the Elins in such way that they want them to dress properly.
Most pictures show them properly dressed. If they wore revealing male thongs, I am sure we would have a problem.
Why did the first Americans have to be Puritans? It has screwed up our entire country. Why oh why couldn't my ancestors have come over on an Italian Party Barge?
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
Well, I find cats cute. Never in my life I ever considered banging one (well, until I regrettably contributed to this discussion, lol).
Bottom line, do you want to play the game and the Elins break the deal for you, or you have absolutely no interest in the game beyond this academic discussion about how faeries are depicted in eastern cultures?
I'd like to hear the opinion of a young sex slave from an Asian country. Does the uncensored image of the Elin effect the number of middle aged businessmen who sleep with you?
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
Both the claim I quoted and the claim you refered to, are erronous to do without further data to support it.
It is though interesting to speculate about why certain individuals who find them cute simultaneously don't feel a need to dress them properly as a consequence of their automatic "nurturing and caring" response to seeing cute.
Hey it's like we're all talking about AoC on MMORPG.com again!
Huray!
*facepalm*
Regarding your first sentence: that's precisely my point, you find cats cute and your automatic instict would be to "nurture and care" for them. The question is: since the normal response to seeing cute is to "nurture and care", wouldn't you want cute human-like beings to wear appropiate cloths?
It'll be the same with all M rated games I'm afraid. That's why we can't have decent games meant to be played by adults.
Maybe "cute' is a relative term. Some people find snakes cute.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
For general populations I would assume that the article regarding cuteness in wikipedia, applies well:
From there I quote:
"Humans respond favorably to a neotenized appearance[2] A neotenized appearance elicits sympathy from humans[3] as well as protective urges.[2] People with cuter faces are perceived to be "warmer,"[4] more honest[5] and more employable for jobs.[6]
Not only humans, but other "adult mammals" are hard-wired to have their "aggressive behavior" inhibited and exhibit "caring" and "nurturing" attitudes toward the appearance of "mammalian infants".[7]"
Maybe if parents weren't so utterly useless these days they could keep their young children from playing these M rated games, but from what I can see my generation has terrible parenting skills and no ability to filter what their children see.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
Ok, I have a couple revelations for you.
You're on the internet
There is a lot of (legal) porn on the internet
The majority of porn sites have a section there called teens
Any of you actually believes for a second that these real life persons are actual "teens"? If no, why do you try to convince us that you belive that made up 3D animated characters are, oh boy, actual teens? Can't you, as an adult, tell the difference?
You also failed to ignore completely the part regarding the cultural difference between you and the people that produce these games in the first place.
For physical attraction purposes through visual aid, it doesn't matter whether or not they are actually teens. What matters is their bodyshape. Analogously, for physical attraction purposes through visual aid, if you look more like a prepusbecent child than an average woman who has gone through puberty, then that's what will count for that physical attraction regardless of age.
A cultural difference would explain why "nurturing and caring" in certain Asian subcultures does not automatically trigger a "get them proper cloths" response. However, people who have been raised in Western cultures should normally make that connection, don't you think?
One explanation would be that since prostitution at young ages is so common in Asian countries, the average people there have become desentized and therefore do not make the "nurturing and caring" -> "get them proper cloths" connection.
I'll go inform all the petite women of the world that their husbands are pedophiles, and they have absolutely nothing to offer a sexually healthy man.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
What matters is the bodyshape? So if I'm attracted to flat chested women, I'm a closet pedophile? Seriously?
(On a separate note, I hope people realise how much free publicity they generate by recycling this non issue. The game will succeed or fail on its merits to entertain. Considering that it'll launch near GW2 and TSW, it is very possible that gaming wise those two other games will trumple it. Assuming of course that they have better features and/or those features actually work as intended by their developers.
This whole discussion is a really strong deja vu of the AoC discussion about the nipples. In the end, nipples or not, the game found its audience. I am positive that this will be the case with Tera as well.)
Even petite women release pheromones which physically attracts certain males; that is however not distributable through visual aids. Furthermore, it is possible that petite females, although they have very small breasts, may have other features, such as proportionally wide hips, which are naturally associated with full-grown women.
Finally, personality and other "inside stuff" matters a lot when it comes to relationships.
Flat chest is only one part of the body figure. For instance, many models have long legs, small breasts and small waist; their faces usually also have distinct adult female traits.
You just described an Elin, only difference is that instead of an adult looking face, they got a head three times the normal size.
There are plenty of instances and contexts where less-than-fully-clothed children in various forms of media (gaming, movies, photos, drawings, etc.) can be entirely non-sexual and artistically legitimite.
With regards to the Elin, however, you're only fooling yourself if you think that they are on par with "a child on television in a swimsuit," a nude/semi-nude child in a classical painting, or what have you. The fact of the matter is, the Elin race was designed specifically to look like scantily-clad underage children (around 8-12 years old) with an anime-twist wearing sexually-provocative clothng in order to appeal to the rather large demographic in countries like Korea and Japan that are into that sort of thing. It's as simple as that.
And no, your female friend liking them for non-sexual reasons ("they're cute and it's funny seeing a small child swing a huge sword!") doesn't somehow change this simple fact.