Finally, I decide to try it.

Anofalye · August 2005

For $3, it is a win/win situation.

Of course I start with a dragon!

After a few hours of playing...all I can say is the game is definitely "hardcore crafters oriented".

Nothing wrong about that, but the learning curve is...steep to say the least. Still, I think I will give the game a chance, even if I am not really a crafter, I am definitely a hoarder type...

I would never have picture a dragon spending his days working...poor little beasts!

Khoal · August 2005

Originally posted by Anofalye

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After a few hours of playing...all I can say is the game is definitely "hardcore crafters oriented".

Nothing wrong about that, but the learning curve is...steep to say the least.
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I would never have picture a dragon spending his days working...poor little beasts!

Yep, the crafting system in HZ is very strong.

And the learning curve can be tough, no doubt. Spend some time at the community site and asking questions there; they'll help you. Also, the Dragon and Marketplace chat is great for in-game questions.

About dragons and crafting: Crafting is, in some ways, a dragon's secret weapon. Here's why:

1) The bonus to armor that each level of hoard grants is based upon whichever school is highest. If you're a lvl60 crafter, lvl20 adventurer, and you have hoard built up to the lvl60 point, you will have a cusion of extra armor points to work with.

2) Every 10 levels (or thereabouts) a new scale slot becomes available. This means that, in theory, you could be a lvl100 DCRA, lvl10 DRAG, running around with all of your scale slots available and equipped with lvl100 scales. This is a major advantage when it comes to hunting and adventuring.

anarchyart · August 2005

Originally posted by Anofalye

For $3, it is a win/win situation.

Of course I start with a dragon!

After a few hours of playing...all I can say is the game is definitely "hardcore crafters oriented".

Nothing wrong about that, but the learning curve is...steep to say the least. Still, I think I will give the game a chance, even if I am not really a crafter, I am definitely a hoarder type...

I would never have picture a dragon spending his days working...poor little beasts!

hehe yay anafolye! I think Horizons will at the very least keep you happy until Vanguard comes out...JK lol...well till, like us all, whatever "next gen" game that's on the Horizon that you are waiting for.

You actually don't have to craft at all if you don't want, make sure to press the + sign on your chat tab, and make a tab with ONLY the player channel "market" and also make one for "general". You can get great advice in either from the friendly community, and people always help out anyone who doesn't have armor or whatever

How do you like the music?

Mysk · August 2005

Just a minor thought: A dragon has to craft a little bit to complete the RoP do they not? Sure it's just something like 35 levels, I think? It's been quite awhile for me and I went Lunus, where the crafting requirement to complete the RoP is quite a bit less.

Anyhow, it's a very small point but should probably be mentioned. :-)

Anofalye · August 2005

Hehe, if you see a white/silver dragon named Ymne wandering around, that would be me (D&D dragonlike look, but with some asian influence, as thin and long as the game allow me).

Didnt play much, but yes, until I find something else, I figure I may at least try a MMO that always look nice to me.

So far so good.

KlausW · August 2005

Which server are you playing Ymne on?

If you have not already, join the Dragon chat channel. All dragon issues, all the time ;-) It can be a great help to any new dragon.

Some crafting is required if you want to fly. Lunus RoP can be done with 28 crafting, a good set of scales, and some really good buffs. Helian RoP takes 40-45 crafting. If you want to stay a bouncy pouncy hatchie and never grow up & fly, you do not have to craft even a single brick, ever.

Anofalye · August 2005

I am on the basic server they give when you change nothing for a regular server... CHAOS I think.

- I need to figure how to join the dragon channel (or any channel).

- Any idea why I turn a red dragon? I dont like to be a red dragon. I was white/silver (was trying to be silver and settle for white)...

- Any idea on what I should developp with levels? Hits points? STR? Claws and bite?

- For the spell creation I miss the basic component (rune or something), I didnt figure how to get those yet. I can cast the first breezing thingy (a heal), but didnt figure how to get the basic component for the spell research.

I will definitely want to grow up my dragon. Tradeskill is a pain, but a pain I can cope with (unlike raiding which I cant even start to think to maybe bear for a moment). I will never enjoy tradeskilling, but I enjoy to succeed and I can make the sacrifices if I enjoy the rest of the game enough.

I play EQ for years and CoH for months. Horizons is less casual friendly then pre-Kunark EQ was, I can deal with that, but I will progress slowly in understanding the features and everything...simply because I want to play and enjoy the game. Before I realize where to click to use my points when I level up, I was level 7 and never spent any point and was wondering why a wolf level 6 was a hard challenge. I even did play in a MUD years ago...

Horizons is pretty rought and the learning curve is incredibly rough when compare to others products, but again, this is fine...I will learn, slowly but learn nonetheless. The need to actually select the skill to mine, smelt or gemcut is purely tedious and dont bring anything to the game, but I can cope with that, not that I enjoy it, but considering we even get a feedback to click it, it is hardly improving the game in anyway, it is a small tedious aspect...it still dont prevent Horizons to be incredible and I intent to play it...

I realize I may need to restart from level 1, that wont bother me that much, but only after I understand what I need to do and make sure to not miss.

Khoal · August 2005

- I need to figure how to join the dragon channel (or any channel).

In the lower right corner of each tab are a group of icons that control the tab. One of them looks like a "text bubble" and allows you to browse player chat channels. I always have, at the least, two chat tabs dedicated to Marketplace (MP) and Dragon Chat.

- Any idea why I turn a red dragon? I dont like to be a red dragon. I was white/silver (was trying to be silver and settle for white)...

I've heard that this is a bug associated with Skalkaar, and that there is a fix for it somewhere. Does the color change remain even after you have logged out and then logged back in again?

- Any idea on what I should developp with levels? Hits points? STR? Claws and bite?

This is something only you can decide. Horizons is a very open system, and allows the players to "respec" their characters through the use of buy-back points. That being said, there are certain statistics that help in either melee or spellcasting combat. For melee, people usually choose Tooth & Claw, Strength, and some mix of Dexterity and Health. For spellcasting, people might choose to invest their training points on Primal, Power and Focus, with some also in Health or perhaps Magic Evasion.

On the community site, it is possible to see which level grants which new ability.

- For the spell creation I miss the basic component (rune or something), I didnt figure how to get those yet. I can cast the first breezing thingy (a heal), but didnt figure how to get the basic component for the spell research.

Making spells requires stone and essence. The stone must be processed first into bricks, and then into spellshards. The essence must be processed into orbs. Then, using your Spellcraft Ability you call up the formula for the spell you want to make, and with spellshards and essence orbs in hand, make the spell at the spellcrafting table. Then you scribe the spell, and use it (if you meet the minimum requirements to cast it).

I will definitely want to grow up my dragon. Tradeskill is a pain, but a pain I can cope with (unlike raiding which I cant even start to think to maybe bear for a moment). I will never enjoy tradeskilling, but I enjoy to succeed and I can make the sacrifices if I enjoy the rest of the game enough.

You'll find there are plenty of other new players looking for action and experience on the various chat channels.

Horizons is pretty rought and the learning curve is incredibly rough when compare to others products, but again, this is fine...I will learn, slowly but learn nonetheless. The need to actually select the skill to mine, smelt or gemcut is purely tedious and dont bring anything to the game, but I can cope with that, not that I enjoy it, but considering we even get a feedback to click it, it is hardly improving the game in anyway, it is a small tedious aspect...it still dont prevent Horizons to be incredible and I intent to play it...

As a dragon, you don't have to lug around tradeskill tools, like the bipeds do. I've heard many, many times someone exclaim "Oh, crap! I just got out here to harvest this stuff, and I realize I forgot my tools. Now I have to run back to town to get to my vault!"

I realize I may need to restart from level 1, that wont bother me that much, but only after I understand what I need to do and make sure to not miss.

Actually, you don't have to restart. As you gain Training Points (TPs) and invest them, you also gain buy-back points. These allow you to...well...buy back Training Points that you've previously invested. If you decide those most recent TPs you spent on X would be better spent on Y, you can do so.

No need to "reroll" a new character. You just respec what you've already got. Keep in mind, you can't re-spend buy-back points.

Anofalye · August 2005

Thanks Khoal, going to try most of this (will forget some and re-read for sure).

The color bug happen after I log off and when I was back in the next time, I was a red dragon. I expect to find a red dragon now, but I didnt try since, and hopefully will be back to white/silver.

Back to white/silver now!

I am kinda clueless with the spells still...and no idea where to find the info about getting better stuff, like more carrying or whatever...going back to kill stuff now...need to amass trophies to put in the hoard.

Question: How are rebuy points awarded? With levels? With time?

Khoal · August 2005

I am kinda clueless with the spells still...and no idea where to find the info about getting better stuff, like more carrying or whatever...going back to kill stuff now...need to amass trophies to put in the hoard.

If you go to the community site, and check under "Istarian Life" -> "Dragons," you will see that someone has created a very useful *.pdf cheat sheet that provides useful information at a glance.

Increasing your carrying capacity is done every 10 levels through a quest handed out by the Capacity Trainer in Tazoon. Most of these quests are FedEx type, and not overly difficult.

As for the spells we use, we are limited to only those spells in the primal school. They are sold by the crafter trainers in Chiconis and Dralk. Buying new spell formulas (which must first be scribed before they can be used) requires Tokens, which are handed out as quest rewards from the trainer crafters. They can also be bought / traded from other players.

Question: How are rebuy points awarded? With levels? With time?

Buy-back points are awarded over a period of time. For every level achieved, you earn 12 Training Points. When you invest these TPs into an attribute, you begin a timer that, after an amount of real world time (not in-game time) awards you with a certain number of Buy-back points.

I can't recall what the ratio is of TP : Buy-back points, but I know it is not 1:1.

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