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World of Warcraft: 600 Jobs Going 'Redundant'

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  • TyvolusNextTyvolusNext Member Posts: 192

    Originally posted by brody71

    Originally posted by TyvolusNext


    Originally posted by brody71


    Originally posted by TyvolusNext


    Originally posted by expresso

    Some six years of constant growth and 1000's given jobs as a result, this was going to happen at some point, does not mean blizzard or WoW has failed, just means theres no one left to try WoW.

    while true a company can stop growing...but you seem to dismiss the fact that not all companies downsize.  you can maintain too.  the fact they arent growing or even maintaining at this point, clearly points to some serious problems.  didnt a dev or some such employee associated with YEARS of work on Diablo III up and quit a few weeks ago ?  none of this is good.

    it doesnt point to problems. companies restructure all the time. if i owned a company and was shelling out money to unnecessay employess id cut them too.  there not making as much as they were in there hay day and they are adjusting accordingly. 

    exactly.   they arent making as much money and are cutting staff...you do the math on this one guy.

    there trying to increase the bottom the line. it's called business.  companies try to maximize profits all the time.

    when you are hurting you try to increase the bottom lineby cutting staff.  when you are doing well, companies increase revenue through increased sales (subs, new games, expansions, etc), and they in turn need to hire new staff for the increased customer/product support.  Stop talking to me like I am a fool.  Buy some stock and study the companies you own and learn a little about how corporations work. 

  • FatherAnolevFatherAnolev Member UncommonPosts: 265

    Originally posted by TyvolusNext

    Originally posted by brody71


    Originally posted by TyvolusNext


    Originally posted by expresso

    Some six years of constant growth and 1000's given jobs as a result, this was going to happen at some point, does not mean blizzard or WoW has failed, just means theres no one left to try WoW.

    while true a company can stop growing...but you seem to dismiss the fact that not all companies downsize.  you can maintain too.  the fact they arent growing or even maintaining at this point, clearly points to some serious problems.  didnt a dev or some such employee associated with YEARS of work on Diablo III up and quit a few weeks ago ?  none of this is good.

    it doesnt point to problems. companies restructure all the time. if i owned a company and was shelling out money to unnecessay employess id cut them too.  there not making as much as they were in there hay day and they are adjusting accordingly. 

    exactly.   they arent making as much money and are cutting staff...you do the math on this one guy.

    Ding.

    Is anybody surprised?  SW:TOR comes along and has 1.7M subscribers within a month of launch.  Those subscribers had to come from somewhere, and despite Blizzard's supposed claims that their sub numbers weren't hurt, suddenly they are shedding 600 customer suport jobs?  Customer support jobs are tied directly to the subscriber base.  The less subscribers you have, the less support people you need.

    And I'm sure it's not just SW:TOR... Aion is going F2P, GW2 is coming out, social games are become bigger and bigger... 

  • itgrowlsitgrowls Member Posts: 2,951

    Originally posted by jusomdude

    I wonder if they have to make decisions on if they want to keep the big wigs wallets as fat as possible by firing people.

    I doubt they lose any money, but their trimmed employees now make $0.

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  • bmw66bmw66 Member UncommonPosts: 141

    Listen......

     

    Why pay one person to push button A and pay another person to push button B.............when you can pay one person to push BOTH!!

    Its does not mean the company is all doom and gloom.  They are just going to maximize their resources and have people multitask.  

    How many time have you seen 5 guys standing around on the road and only ONE is filling in the pothole??!!

    If the job still gets done with 600 less people then it saves them a TON of money on salaries, benefits, payroll tax and the list goes on and on.

     

    Relax it call business.

     

     

     

     

  • KeoghKeogh Member Posts: 1,099

    Originally posted by mmoDAD

    #1. No Blizzcon.

    #2. Job Cuts.

     

    How the hell can Blizzard, with 10,000,000 people paying $15.00 monthly fees, $box sales, $expansion sales, and RMT sales, get to the point where they need to cut workers?

     

    Idiots.

    Not every segment of WoW subscribers pay $15.00 per month. There are 5.5 million Chinese that pay per hour to play. The rate is $00.06 (6 cents) per hour.

    After they split that 6 cents with Netease (their Chinese partner) its $00.03 per hour

    "Don't corpse-camp that idea. Its never gonna rez"
    Bladezz (The Guild)

  • starstar Member Posts: 1,101
    According to the wiki, they had 4600 employees in 2009. That's absolutely mind blowing. I'd love to see the numbers at other major development studios.

    It just seems incredibly inflated.

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  • TofkeTofke Member UncommonPosts: 342

    Why everyone is reading so much into this is baffling...

    No they aren't doing bad. No this isn't doomsday... They just have more than they need at this moment in time.

    Sure they lost revenue's but economics is dynamic it happens to any company out there.

     

    Besides are you gonna tell me you believe that every worker there is a good worker or productive?

    Just look at your surroundings in every job you have mediocre to bad employees around you or you may even be one.

    And when the sky is the limit everyone stays around in this happy colourfull rainbow time... untill cuts need to be made.

     

    ooh right, sorry it's harsh to not give a damn about people losing jobs... bet most of em end up having it better elsewhere.

    Or I'm too possitive and must think all of em end up in drama and missfortune and lose everything they have :p

     

     

  • Games888Games888 Member Posts: 243

    cheap chinese csr who gets pay $1 a day.

  • gilgamesh42gilgamesh42 Member Posts: 300

    wow firing 600 people? like seriously talk about fooking greed no way in the world that  they are hurting for cash, countrys hurting and they are firing people. How much you want to bet those customer support ppl get replaced by indians ? Like someone else said i bet the sales from that new mount would have paid for those people salary and it was not hard for them to make the mount.

     

    Stay classy blizzard stay classy i think corp greed at blizzard is starting to get too bad maybe i should cancel my sub :/

     



     

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  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593

    Originally posted by zymurgeist

    Originally posted by gilgamesh42

    wow firing 600 people? like seriously talk about fooking greed no way in the world that  they are hurting for cash, countrys hurting and they are firing people. How much you want to bet those customer support ppl get replaced by indians ? Like someone else said i bet the sales from that new mount would have paid for those people salary and it was not hard for them to make the mount.





     





    Stay classy blizzard stay classy i think corp greed at blizzard is starting to get too bad maybe i should cancel my sub :/





     










     

     Corporations are not charities nor should they be.

    Nor should they be all about greed.

  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,878

    Probably cutting alot of WoW support (CS staff,tech support,ect) since the game is probably going to lose another million, atleast, this quarter. (Since 4.3 has been out since like the fall, and that is the only WoW content released lately) MoP probably won't be out until atleast the end of Q2 (probably Q3) so they are most likely expecting a huge drop of players before they gain any back with MoP. 

  • TyvolusNextTyvolusNext Member Posts: 192

    Originally posted by bmw66

    Listen......

     

    Why pay one person to push button A and pay another person to push button B.............when you can pay one person to push BOTH!!

    Its does not mean the company is all doom and gloom.  They are just going to maximize their resources and have people multitask.  

    How many time have you seen 5 guys standing around on the road and only ONE is filling in the pothole??!!

    If the job still gets done with 600 less people then it saves them a TON of money on salaries, benefits, payroll tax and the list goes on and on.

     

    Relax it call business.

     

     

     

     

    There is nothing for me to relax about as I dont play or buy Blizz games/prodcuts.  But, I think you need to listen:

    Blizz cuts 600 employees.  Subs in WoW are down.  Blizzcon cancelled.  Diablo III delayed still.  A dev for Diablo III leaves at the end of the development cycle.  Blizz takes forever to release new games/expansions/products.  Backlash over a Panda Bear expansion for WoW.  All this and its Business As Usual in your eyes.

    you for real ?

  • bmw66bmw66 Member UncommonPosts: 141

    Originally posted by Yamota

    Originally posted by zymurgeist


    Originally posted by gilgamesh42

    wow firing 600 people? like seriously talk about fooking greed no way in the world that  they are hurting for cash, countrys hurting and they are firing people. How much you want to bet those customer support ppl get replaced by indians ? Like someone else said i bet the sales from that new mount would have paid for those people salary and it was not hard for them to make the mount.





     





    Stay classy blizzard stay classy i think corp greed at blizzard is starting to get too bad maybe i should cancel my sub :/





     










     

     Corporations are not charities nor should they be.

    Nor should they be all about greed.

    Greed pays the salaries, overhead, health benefits, conventions, development and anything else to run the company.  They own you nothing but a good product. What they do with the proceeds it their business.

  • TyvolusNextTyvolusNext Member Posts: 192

    Originally posted by zymurgeist

    Originally posted by gilgamesh42

    wow firing 600 people? like seriously talk about fooking greed no way in the world that  they are hurting for cash, countrys hurting and they are firing people. How much you want to bet those customer support ppl get replaced by indians ? Like someone else said i bet the sales from that new mount would have paid for those people salary and it was not hard for them to make the mount.





     





    Stay classy blizzard stay classy i think corp greed at blizzard is starting to get too bad maybe i should cancel my sub :/





     










     

     Corporations are not charities nor should they be.

    good corporations are, but thats a whole new discussion.  Back to topic, Corporations are not about losing money, and thats what Blizz is trying to mitigate with all this...or has that somehow escaped your understanding of this whole thing ?

  • bmw66bmw66 Member UncommonPosts: 141

    Originally posted by TyvolusNext

    Originally posted by bmw66

    Listen......

     

    Why pay one person to push button A and pay another person to push button B.............when you can pay one person to push BOTH!!

    Its does not mean the company is all doom and gloom.  They are just going to maximize their resources and have people multitask.  

    How many time have you seen 5 guys standing around on the road and only ONE is filling in the pothole??!!

    If the job still gets done with 600 less people then it saves them a TON of money on salaries, benefits, payroll tax and the list goes on and on.

     

    Relax it call business.

     

     

     

     

    There is nothing for me to relax about as I dont play or buy Blizz games/prodcuts.  But, I think you need to listen:

    Blizz cuts 600 employees.  Subs in WoW are down.  Blizzcon cancelled.  Diablo III delayed still.  A dev for Diablo III leaves at the end of the development cycle.  Blizz takes forever to release new games/expansions/products.  Backlash over a Panda Bear expansion for WoW.  All this and its Business As Usual in your eyes.

    you for real ?



    Would you pay 10 people to do a job that 7 people could do? 

     

    D3 is all but done. SC2 is all but done.............. so trim the fat. you dont need 60 extra devs to maintain them.  As for the other 540 people..........do they really need an assistant to the assistant of the art director?? NO. 

     

    So they cancelled Blizzcon big deal...the hype for the year is already out there for D3 and SC2 why spend the extra cash on a convention.  Mark my words the convention will be back next year when they have to hype something else.

     

     

  • TyvolusNextTyvolusNext Member Posts: 192

    Originally posted by bmw66

    Originally posted by Yamota


    Originally posted by zymurgeist


    Originally posted by gilgamesh42

    wow firing 600 people? like seriously talk about fooking greed no way in the world that  they are hurting for cash, countrys hurting and they are firing people. How much you want to bet those customer support ppl get replaced by indians ? Like someone else said i bet the sales from that new mount would have paid for those people salary and it was not hard for them to make the mount.





     





    Stay classy blizzard stay classy i think corp greed at blizzard is starting to get too bad maybe i should cancel my sub :/





     










     

     Corporations are not charities nor should they be.

    Nor should they be all about greed.

    Greed pays the salaries, overhead, health benefits, conventions, development and anything else to run the company.  They own you nothing but a good product. What they do with the proceeds it their business.

    then please explain to me (someone who owns/buys stock) how a company like Amazon will slash prices, offer free shipping and provide great customer service and actually sell items like the Kindle at below cost...all the while remaining a strong, viable player in retail AND remain profitable AND have a stock price of almost $180 -- explain to me how this company who doesnt nickle and dime its customers in a greedy manner is so wonderfully successful ?

     

    thanks.

  • eyeswideopeneyeswideopen Member Posts: 2,414

    Originally posted by TyvolusNext

    Originally posted by bmw66


    Originally posted by Yamota


    Originally posted by zymurgeist


    Originally posted by gilgamesh42

    wow firing 600 people? like seriously talk about fooking greed no way in the world that  they are hurting for cash, countrys hurting and they are firing people. How much you want to bet those customer support ppl get replaced by indians ? Like someone else said i bet the sales from that new mount would have paid for those people salary and it was not hard for them to make the mount.





     





    Stay classy blizzard stay classy i think corp greed at blizzard is starting to get too bad maybe i should cancel my sub :/





     










     

     Corporations are not charities nor should they be.

    Nor should they be all about greed.

    Greed pays the salaries, overhead, health benefits, conventions, development and anything else to run the company.  They own you nothing but a good product. What they do with the proceeds it their business.

    then please explain to me (someone who owns/buys stock) how a company like Amazon will slash prices, offer free shipping and provide great customer service and actually sell items like the Kindle at below cost...all the while remaining a strong, viable player in retail AND remain profitable AND have a stock price of almost $180 -- explain to me how this company who doesnt nickle and dime its customers in a greedy manner is so wonderfully successful ?

     

    thanks.

    Quite easily. Amazon doesn't make any of the products it sells outside of the Kindle, and production costs for the Kindle are a hell of a lot lower than the MSRP, so cutting the price doesn't affect them at all.

    It's like Apple. Apple could slash iPad prices in half and still make a profit due to cheap asian sweat shop labor ( the constant news articles about Foxxconn is going to take a toll eventually however ). They don't simply because they know people will pay full price just for the "prestige" factor of owning an Apple product ( because some people are clueless sheep with WAY too much money to burn). You want a prime example of true corporate greed, Apple is the posterchild.

    -Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
    -And on the 8th day, man created God.-

  • gilgamesh42gilgamesh42 Member Posts: 300

    Originally posted by bmw66

    Originally posted by TyvolusNext


    Originally posted by bmw66

    Listen......

     

    Why pay one person to push button A and pay another person to push button B.............when you can pay one person to push BOTH!!

    Its does not mean the company is all doom and gloom.  They are just going to maximize their resources and have people multitask.  

    How many time have you seen 5 guys standing around on the road and only ONE is filling in the pothole??!!

    If the job still gets done with 600 less people then it saves them a TON of money on salaries, benefits, payroll tax and the list goes on and on.

     

    Relax it call business.

     

     

     

     

    There is nothing for me to relax about as I dont play or buy Blizz games/prodcuts.  But, I think you need to listen:

    Blizz cuts 600 employees.  Subs in WoW are down.  Blizzcon cancelled.  Diablo III delayed still.  A dev for Diablo III leaves at the end of the development cycle.  Blizz takes forever to release new games/expansions/products.  Backlash over a Panda Bear expansion for WoW.  All this and its Business As Usual in your eyes.

    you for real ?



    Would you pay 10 people to do a job that 7 people could do? 

     

    D3 is all but done. SC2 is all but done.............. so trim the fat. you dont need 60 extra devs to maintain them.  As for the other 540 people..........do they really need an assistant to the assistant of the art director?? NO. 

     

    So they cancelled Blizzcon big deal...the hype for the year is already out there for D3 and SC2 why spend the extra cash on a convention.  Mark my words the convention will be back next year when they have to hype something else.

     

     


     

    half the stuff you said made them look weak the other half made them look greedy

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  • OptimusTOptimusT Member Posts: 2

    WoW is hurting and this is just more evidence. A LOT of the servers are very underpopulated and from what I have seen there has been a large exodus of transfers to more populated servers. I dont think its doom and gloom for WoW because when it comes down to it, WoW is one of the more polished games out there. I think WoW is going to exist and be profitable for sometime. But I would say its days of being at the top are numbered unless they come up with some kind of gamechanger to mix things up.

  • TyvolusNextTyvolusNext Member Posts: 192

    Originally posted by eyeswideopen

    Originally posted by TyvolusNext


    Originally posted by bmw66


    Originally posted by Yamota


    Originally posted by zymurgeist


    Originally posted by gilgamesh42

    wow firing 600 people? like seriously talk about fooking greed no way in the world that  they are hurting for cash, countrys hurting and they are firing people. How much you want to bet those customer support ppl get replaced by indians ? Like someone else said i bet the sales from that new mount would have paid for those people salary and it was not hard for them to make the mount.





     





    Stay classy blizzard stay classy i think corp greed at blizzard is starting to get too bad maybe i should cancel my sub :/





     










     

     Corporations are not charities nor should they be.

    Nor should they be all about greed.

    Greed pays the salaries, overhead, health benefits, conventions, development and anything else to run the company.  They own you nothing but a good product. What they do with the proceeds it their business.

    then please explain to me (someone who owns/buys stock) how a company like Amazon will slash prices, offer free shipping and provide great customer service and actually sell items like the Kindle at below cost...all the while remaining a strong, viable player in retail AND remain profitable AND have a stock price of almost $180 -- explain to me how this company who doesnt nickle and dime its customers in a greedy manner is so wonderfully successful ?

     

    thanks.

    Quite easily. Amazon doesn't make any of the products it sells outside of the Kindle, and production costs for the Kindle are a hell of a lot lower than the MSRP, so cutting the price doesn't affect them at all.

    LOL !!!  too funny.  AMAZON loses money on each kindle sold.  They are a public company so you can google this fact on your own.  As to the rest of your comical answer, the fact Amazon does or does not make the products it sells has no bearing WHATSOEVER on the fact they are not greedily nickel and diming their customers in any way and with any chance they get -- this is why, much to the dismay of some of their investors, they LOSE revenue on shipping.  Again, google anything I just told you.

  • bmw66bmw66 Member UncommonPosts: 141

    Originally posted by TyvolusNext

    Originally posted by bmw66


    Originally posted by TyvolusNext


    Originally posted by bmw66

    Listen......

     

    Why pay one person to push button A and pay another person to push button B.............when you can pay one person to push BOTH!!

    Its does not mean the company is all doom and gloom.  They are just going to maximize their resources and have people multitask.  

    How many time have you seen 5 guys standing around on the road and only ONE is filling in the pothole??!!

    If the job still gets done with 600 less people then it saves them a TON of money on salaries, benefits, payroll tax and the list goes on and on.

     

    Relax it call business.

     

     

     

     

    There is nothing for me to relax about as I dont play or buy Blizz games/prodcuts.  But, I think you need to listen:

    Blizz cuts 600 employees.  Subs in WoW are down.  Blizzcon cancelled.  Diablo III delayed still.  A dev for Diablo III leaves at the end of the development cycle.  Blizz takes forever to release new games/expansions/products.  Backlash over a Panda Bear expansion for WoW.  All this and its Business As Usual in your eyes.

    you for real ?



    Would you pay 10 people to do a job that 7 people could do? 

     

    D3 is all but done. SC2 is all but done.............. so trim the fat. you dont need 60 extra devs to maintain them.  As for the other 540 people..........do they really need an assistant to the assistant of the art director?? NO. 

     

    So they cancelled Blizzcon big deal...the hype for the year is already out there for D3 and SC2 why spend the extra cash on a convention.  Mark my words the convention will be back next year when they have to hype something else.

     

     

    "Would you pay 10 people to do a job that 7 people could do?"

     

    NO. BUT thats beacuse they are losing customers/revenue, so they now have 10 people doing a job that 7 can do -- BECAUSE THEY LOST CUSTOMERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

    hello, whats wrong with some of you kiddies ?  not too deep on the common sense ?????



    Let me ask you.......do you even care that 600 people are going to be let go?  600 people out of 4000-4500? 

    Personally I feel bad they they will be out of work but Im not going to lose sleep over it as there is not much i can do about it.  As long as they are able to still put out a quality product and maintain it then so be it. It dosent spell doom.

  • TyvolusNextTyvolusNext Member Posts: 192

    Originally posted by zymurgeist

    Originally posted by TyvolusNext


    Originally posted by bmw66


    Originally posted by Yamota


    Originally posted by zymurgeist


    Originally posted by gilgamesh42

    wow firing 600 people? like seriously talk about fooking greed no way in the world that  they are hurting for cash, countrys hurting and they are firing people. How much you want to bet those customer support ppl get replaced by indians ? Like someone else said i bet the sales from that new mount would have paid for those people salary and it was not hard for them to make the mount.





     





    Stay classy blizzard stay classy i think corp greed at blizzard is starting to get too bad maybe i should cancel my sub :/





     










     

     Corporations are not charities nor should they be.

    Nor should they be all about greed.

    Greed pays the salaries, overhead, health benefits, conventions, development and anything else to run the company.  They own you nothing but a good product. What they do with the proceeds it their business.

    then please explain to me (someone who owns/buys stock) how a company like Amazon will slash prices, offer free shipping and provide great customer service and actually sell items like the Kindle at below cost...all the while remaining a strong, viable player in retail AND remain profitable AND have a stock price of almost $180 -- explain to me how this company who doesnt nickle and dime its customers in a greedy manner is so wonderfully successful ?

     

    thanks.

     Amazon isn't all that wonderful either, They also outsource their customer service to India and have had more than their share of layoffs and consolidations. If you want to compare business plans you might want to stay within the same industry.

    When people like you make general comments about businesses/corporations in general, it is fair game to refute your points in kind.  to cry wolf now, that I am literally destroying people like you is a bit phony at this point.  As far as Amazon outsourcing, (I am not even sure why outsourcing is being brought up) I have called them 3 times in the past year and each time was someone who by accent was clearly stateside.

     

    nice try tho.

  • DragonantisDragonantis Member UncommonPosts: 974

    Its possible Blizzard could be moving theser customer service centres to Bangalore.

    It works for internal support for companies but as for customer support for Blizzard customers, I just dunno.

  • TyvolusNextTyvolusNext Member Posts: 192

    Originally posted by bmw66

    Originally posted by TyvolusNext


    Originally posted by bmw66


    Originally posted by TyvolusNext


    Originally posted by bmw66

    Listen......

     

    Why pay one person to push button A and pay another person to push button B.............when you can pay one person to push BOTH!!

    Its does not mean the company is all doom and gloom.  They are just going to maximize their resources and have people multitask.  

    How many time have you seen 5 guys standing around on the road and only ONE is filling in the pothole??!!

    If the job still gets done with 600 less people then it saves them a TON of money on salaries, benefits, payroll tax and the list goes on and on.

     

    Relax it call business.

     

     

     

     

    There is nothing for me to relax about as I dont play or buy Blizz games/prodcuts.  But, I think you need to listen:

    Blizz cuts 600 employees.  Subs in WoW are down.  Blizzcon cancelled.  Diablo III delayed still.  A dev for Diablo III leaves at the end of the development cycle.  Blizz takes forever to release new games/expansions/products.  Backlash over a Panda Bear expansion for WoW.  All this and its Business As Usual in your eyes.

    you for real ?



    Would you pay 10 people to do a job that 7 people could do? 

     

    D3 is all but done. SC2 is all but done.............. so trim the fat. you dont need 60 extra devs to maintain them.  As for the other 540 people..........do they really need an assistant to the assistant of the art director?? NO. 

     

    So they cancelled Blizzcon big deal...the hype for the year is already out there for D3 and SC2 why spend the extra cash on a convention.  Mark my words the convention will be back next year when they have to hype something else.

     

     

    "Would you pay 10 people to do a job that 7 people could do?"

     

    NO. BUT thats beacuse they are losing customers/revenue, so they now have 10 people doing a job that 7 can do -- BECAUSE THEY LOST CUSTOMERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

    hello, whats wrong with some of you kiddies ?  not too deep on the common sense ?????



    Let me ask you.......do you even care that 600 people are going to be let go?  600 people out of 4000-4500? 

    Personally I feel bad they they will be out of work but Im not going to lose sleep over it as there is not much i can do about it.  As long as they are able to still put out a quality product and maintain it then so be it. It dosent spell doom.

    to answer your question (I hope its rhetorical) but I will answer anyways, I would think it goes without saying I feel for ANYONE in this economy who loses their job.  Having said that, do you think you are capable of understanding this whole article and thread is really about Blizz starting to have some finacial troubles...you get what this is primarily about right ?  The company is laying people off because they are hurting and the silly kids who are trying to counter the layoffs as Business As Usual.  Its almost comical, if it werent so...for lack of a better way to put the comments people like you are throwing out there "not smart."

  • TyvolusNextTyvolusNext Member Posts: 192

    Originally posted by Dragonantis

    Its possible Blizzard could be moving theser customer service centres to Bangalore.

    It works for internal support for companies but as for customer support for Blizzard customers, I just dunno.

    If so, they didnt mention that possibility in their press release.

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