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Does Star Wars: The Old Republic Deserve the Wrath of the Haters?
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Labelling someone who simply doesn't like the game a hater is trolling in turn, in all fairness.
Most accurate statement in this article
Somewhere along the line, BioWare's dramatic claim of providing the "next evolution" in MMORPGs led to wild visions of what SWTOR should be (regardless of what BioWare actually said it would be), and I think the game that the fans created in their minds and the game that BioWare was always developing became two different things
^ GW2 fans read this and memorize it and learn. He even refers to you guys in that last paragraph and warns of over hype. I liked the article and never expected something like that out of Gamespy
as a social and casual player i still enjoy the game.....still working my way to 50....story is good and the guild i am in is friendly so no worries for me....too bad if you dont like it.....go play something else then if you dont like it, simple.
But people love to hate swtor out of pure boredom me thinks.
Does it deserve the wrath of its haters? No
Does it deserve the praise of its fans too? No
It doesn't deserve either, its just medocrity.
As long as their are a healthy number of subs, and people enjoy palying it. Who cares what haters have to say about it.
-See WoW
If GW2 turns out to be merely a "good" game that offers something different from WoW, then I will be happy.
I don't think people are pissed at BW for SWTOR because it wasn't the "messiah." I think they were pissed because it was, in many ways, a WoW clone. It offered the same old tired experience that everyone is well...tired of.
It's also because SWTOR walked FURTHER down the path of turning MMORPGs into a single player experience. At least for me, it's got nothing to do with this "messiah" syndrome. I never expected SWTOR to be the messiah...I just expected it to be a decent game that offered something new.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
even tough i love and i play it.......above post is SO true
I don't really find the article all that interesting.
To me its like these random articles I used to see on MSN.. that served no purpose other than to maybe justify the existence of the writer.
Some people like a product and some people don't. When it comes to MMO's they are more of a subjective experience than anything you can make broad objective statements about. What may be minor to one person is a major issue for another.
There isn't anything right or wrong about it... and you can't ever say if the product "deserves" love, hate or indifference. Why? because that's personal opinion on a subjective topic. When someone buys something and decides it so bad that they are really pissed off... you have no business telling them their opinion is wrong or undeserved. It may be wrong for you but that has nothing to do with "fact".
I'd even argue the point they tried to make about the TOR forums being the most acidic forums for an MMO.... well maybe they are currently.. but TOR forums are downright friendly compared to forums when the NGE went live in that other Star Wars game. I mean if you were there or here... you know how bad it was.
So at the end of the day it was simply an article to take up space... serve no purpose at all... but maybe the writer had to turn something in.. so that's what they came up with.
The only thing I personally believe is... if you don't like something... state your case and move on. There is no real reason for forums to be that "acidic"... at least not for gaming. Unless you are in a pvp section... talking crap I suppose.
Basically that. GW2 fans are EASILY setting that game up for failure as if it is possible to fail in a B2P model by labeling the game the next coming of Jesus, DAoC 2.0, or Ultima Online 2.0 <--good luck doing all that
TOR bandwagon fans have been the problem since this game was announced going out of their way to build this games playerbase on the grave of other games. Whatever idiot decided that going after SWG players was a good idea needs to be shot.
Easy way to get people to play TOR is the same damn way Blizzard gets people to play WoW and that is bundle their deals. Like if you sub for a year of WoW you get access to Diablo 3. Last I checked Bioware had Mass Effect 3 they can offer access to with a TOR subscription? Go after Bioware fans not the rest of these people.
Again, its not the first time. And the Star Wars franchise has nothing left to disgrace after the recent bastardization by Lucas himself.
Why is it that I always see you Pure trying to stir something up, with regards to GW2, even whem this thread has nothing to do with it. Shouldn't you be busy raiding Hammerknell or something? Also I don't see where GW2 will fail amongst the fans & followers, as we are the ones who pretty much know what we are getting ourselves into at this stage. Heck, all you have to do is watch all the footage the Yogscast did, to get a good overview of what to expect.
So go and spend you free time enjoying Rift, instead of doing what I typically find you do.
*I'll get mod edited for using the "T" word.*
I don't care how many times it's happened before, it's a disgrace to the Star Wars name and this game is a disgrace to the MMO name.
SWTOR is proof that they have much more degradation to go, they just can't help themselves. If they can jack it up, they will.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
They put in a broken world pvp system , broke it worse with each patch , and halfway have admitted they don't know what they are doing and are abondoning Illum and world pvp for the forseeable future.
If they will refund 2/3 of my 3 month sub pass I paid for I'll stop "hating". Till then I enjoy using my sub money to enrage the fanbois on the official forums.
Yep
I find it rather interesting that the "haters" are always singled out yet the fanboys seem to always get a free pass. Well...that and the fact that amongst some anyone that simply feels this game didn't live up to their expectations or have issues with some aspects of the game gets labeled as being a hater.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Well said.
I disagree. Whoever was in charge of development spent MILLIONS of hard-earned dollars/Euros for nothing. When that much money goes to waste, people lose their jobs and their credibility for future positions.
All of that money could have gone to something actually good, or to a different part of the industry to produce a superior product.
The whole point of invesment is to get a return on your money by producing a superior good. Neither the investors, nor the consumers benefited from this project and it's sad to see.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Have people has sky-high and unrealistic expectations? Yes. (comparing TOR in size and endgame to today's 8-year old WoW - really?!?)
Does TOR deserve a lot of criticism? Yes. (Ilum, persistent bugs, non-customizable UI, rudimentary GTN, Huttball every time all the time, Ilum)
Has some of the justified criticism over time morphed into unjustified criticism? Yes. (failed design?)
Can TOR be "fixed"? Probably. We'll have to see if BW will be given the time to fix it. 1.2 is the second step in that direction and will add a bunch of things to the mix. In the guild meeting they announced a couple things that address some of the criticism (e.g. "Rebel Assault"-type space combat), so they are at least acknowledging the issue and we'll have to wait and see if they can really add Tie Fighter vs X-Wing to TOR.
I'm still having fun and I'll probably keep playing, at least until day 1 of GW2 early access.
Whether investors will benefit will depend on subscriber numbers and we'll know in a few months whether the development cost has been recouped. Everyone shouting right now about TOR going free-to-play next week or closing down by the end of the month is just shouting for attention. Those numbers will also show whether consumers are happy with the product. Everyone still subbing to TOR after the included-in-purchase time period is happy enough with the game to pay $15 for another month.
Yeah but the article goes as far as saying that some people has some personal vendetta against Bioware and that is just ridicilous. I don't give a rats ass about Bioware, I just feel that this game underperforms in many areas. However my expectations were higher because of the Bioware label, but that is not the same thing as having a personal vendetta.
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Not really.
There's a reasonable percentage of people for whom $15 a month is nothing and will continue to pay for some time afterwards, despite no longer playing the game.
There's another group of people, usually minors, whose parents continue to pay the monthly sub yet the kid got bored and only played the first month.
Then there's those who just can't be bothered to un-sub, not to mention the mysteriously disappearing "cancel subscription" button fiasco.
Finally there are those who picked up a longer subscription for the discount.
None of these are necessarily "happy with the game".
i think that TOR does deserve any kind of opinions that is out there. Everyone has a right to express what they think or not think that is good or bad about the game. As for me i like it not only as a SW fan but i am enjoying playing it as well. If other people dont like it, dont play it i could personaly give a crap if you do or dont but your opinion should be respected.
now this crap i dont understand, why pay for a sub that your not gonna play bu[mod edit] to ones that actually enjoy playing it, im sorry but that is just stupid. But its your money you do wthat ever you want.
Yet the Gamespy "review" if thats what you call it chose ignore all that. I also love how they embrace the negative parts of the game as things you should embrace lol. Space on rails why so angry, space on rails goooood, EA do good job on space rail. They sound like their trying to peddle bad Chinese fast food to tourists from Iceland. For some reason the LeBron James should I be sorry advertisement comes to mind.
Lets go over the negatives, space on rails, BAD pvp mechanics, bad pvp implementation, lack of content, lack of non linear gameplay, in some cases player bans for not being linear enough, dead worlds, horrible npcs, non immersive, the WOW themepark style destroys the Star Wars feel, sorry mailboxes and getting lightsaber drops off mobs, give me a break. BOTS BOTS BOTS plauge the game on EVERY level, pvp bots, companion automation bots, targeting, you name it theres a bot for it and people are using them. Companions in pvp, also another bad call, cover system hahahhaha right. And the so called review manages to selectively forget all of that and concentrate on why players should feel guilty for not enjoying the horrible game.
We hear the excuses, usually from fanbois, things like " I'm having fun" are said often, however there is no I in WE and until a large segment of the people who actually bought the game resub your personal obsession with Bioware is meaningless. I still say at the 6 month mark this is a 300k game. I doubt it will have the sub retention of AION, which has much better mechanics btw. When GW2 and Secret world hit the shelves you can hang it up, GW2 alone might bury this pos.
I think alot of the "wrath" and "hate" is really just severe disappointement.
SWTOR is just a mediocre game when it could have been, should have been so much more.
With the depth of not only the StarWars IP, but The Old Republic lore and they develop such a shallow, linear game out of it?
EABioware took an OCEAN of an IP and made a Kiddie Pool
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