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EthanGNYC
Member Posts: 19
Ok here's the deal. Had some bad MMORPG experiences as of late and I'm in need of something new. I'm thinking of giving WoW a whirl. I will say I've heard nothing but bad things about the game for the most part. That being the case what I have seen/read that was positive did tweak my interest so I'm asking for opinions as to whether or not I should bother.
If you don't think I should play the game give me reasons why. Same goes if you think I should.
Now my other question is if you do think I should try it out what would you suggest I try for my first character? Bearing in mind I prefer melee. Running up on something and beating it down before anyone has a chance to blink, wading into the huge group of mobs flinging bodies everywhere, that sort of thing.
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Hello.
There are several reasons why you could like WoW, i'm gonna list some of them in no apparent order but the one in my mind.
- Light grind: At least for the first 59 levels, the grind is the lightest i have ever felt. In addition, there is no "nightmare level" or point in which suddenly it takes forever to level up but the things are scaled up nicely. It DOES takes more time each level to rise up, but the difference is not so big that you feel it too much. Also levelling time is shorter than other games.
- Thousands and thousands of different quests with different objectives and stuff to do. Some are normal kill XXX, some are just "Bring this to that" but others are more complex or particular affairs, even multi legged that helps break the monotony of "kill kill kill kill kill" so usual of this kind of game
- Variety: WoW has just been released but it has already content for two games. At every given time, you have 3 or more regions available to you across 2 continents. Each region will have quests for you and each region has particular environment, interesting features (encampments, haunted towns, normal towns, towers, magical towers, caves, mines, entrapped cities, logging camps, travelling caravans, farms, oasis and whatever you can think of)
- HUGE amount of skills/spells for each class. Yes, WoW has just 9 classes, but that's for a reason as each class get around 40 to 45 different and special skills/spells (for a comparison, DAoC classess have 8-18). Druids can shapeshift in 4 different forms, hunters get pets, traps and rifles, Warlocks have demons, curses and shards, mages get 3 different elements, teleports, portals, conjurations and sheeper spell, Priests get healing, mind control, blasting damage, shields, buffs, Paladins get sigils, auras, healing, rezz, Warriors get 3 stances, a innovative way to use their skills, Rogues get energy, poison, stealth, dual wield, shamans got totems, healing, damage spells.... and in addition there is even more stuff i surely forgot.
- Completely consesual PvP on Normal servers and non-consensual PvP on PvP servers, you choose what flavor you want knowing that even in normal servers you can go to the Battlegrounds or just to enemy towns for some PvP actions. a Ladder system gives you rewards, mounts and tabards/flags to who achieve the ranks.
- A Crafting system that is simple, but useful since level 1. The crafting is mostly integrated in your adventuring as most resources are harvestable in the environment. Each crafting profession gives you utility stuff since first level, be them leather patches, bags, potions, sharpening stones, ammo and rifles or what not. Also some recipes are rare and hard to find, so there is a sort of "collect them all" going on as well.
- a interface and gameplay that is incredible intuitive and easy to use. Everything makes sense in the game, also the downtime is reduced to a minimum.
- Colorful Stylish graphics will take your breath in various occasions, the Day will pass like the real day. Log in by day and is day in the game, do it by night and is night..... But Night in WoW do not mean "can't see a thing! Help!" nope, you can see pretty well also by night, the colors of the environment are slighty difference and the sky is dark, that is.
- tons of loot and items to find, use and customize your guy with. Acquire Sets of armor or special weapons with particle glows that Enchanter can make for you.
Ok, that's it for now.
Hope it helps.
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Playing WoW up to lvl 60, and WoW is probably the best mmo around.
Once you get to 60, unless you like getting items, items and more items there is nothing to do. PvE and PvP are thrown into instances both with the same goal. Items.
But, like I said up to lvl 60 it's great fun. Graphics and gameplay go very well together and it's very simple to understand.
Main melee classes are Warriors and rogues. Rogues (until end game) will easily out dps warriors, warriors are basically meat shields. Paladins on alliance side are another pure melee class, although there horribly boring to play, basically a warrior with less dps and the ability to heal/buff/rez.
If I were going to pick one, i would go warrior.
I would also suggest you definatley give it a try, even though I have now left and pretty much know the game has nothing to offer me.
No don't come to WoW! This game is the greatest MMORPG ever made, 3.5 million subscribers and what we need now is LESS PLAYERS!!! Game is too overpopulated! If you need convincing to come play WoW, then you don't deserve to play with us. The less people that join, the less lag for us people that bought WoW.
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I'd have to concur with the two first posts above, WoW is a wonderful game that is absolutely loads of fun until the end, where unfortunately it gets a little dry due to not having much to do other then raid around for that special gear everyone wants.
I'd also say it's at least worth a try, a very important note is to attempt to find a server that is on par with what your looking for, ie. PVE, PVP, RP. When I first tried WoW I found myself on a PvP server with tons of children which pretty well ruined my first impression, after trying my hand in an RP server, I found it to be totally different and made the entire experience very much so worth while.
Best of luck and have fun.
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{I want to start by saying I like WOW and play WOW. I am not bashing WOW.}
I like the list of pros. The only other pro I would add is...
Soloing seems possible for about any class. It's not uncommon for me (warrior) to be soloing in a remote location and meet a wizard doing the same thing. If, like me, your a casual gamer, and often log on for an hour or less you can get some XP and some loot without having to waste time finding a group first.
But no game can be all things to all people, so here are some cons.
If your a hardcore gamer that spends a lot of time in-game you can find leveling comes to quickly. For the kid on summer vacation you could easily get a character to 60 before going back to school. This is by design and is not a "flaw" that will be fixed, it is the forced reality of the first pro.
The ease of play means a 12 year old with ADD can play, and they do! It seems the RP servers are not as bad as the PVP servers. As you gain levels you will leave some of them behind, but not all. You can still run into a character named "Stinksalot" that spams "WANA DULE?" over and over at the high levels. It has not been enough to ruin my experience and there is /ignore. I would add it's not as bad as the free games I have tried, but is probably the worst of the pay games for annoying kiddie count so keep it in mind if your looking for deep RP and have a low tolerance for that stuff.
Soloing is possible, so there is less incentive to group. There is not currently a real good way to form groups like in other games. In EQ you can sit anyplace and use a LFG interface to find people to group with from all over the server, and WOW does not have that. There are meeting stones but they do not work the way most want so they rarely get used which makes them even less helpful. Mostly people just get into the LFG chat channel and say, over and over, "LFG for KFC" or some such. This is only heard by people in the same zone so the guy who wants a group, any group, can't hear everyone else with the same desire no matter where he is.
Good Graphics are in the eye of the beholder. As stated above some call it "stylish" and like it, others want it to be more realistic and call it "cartoony". Check out some screen shots and if you laugh or vomit then this game might not be for you. I have to admit there are times I see something and think I have wandered into a Dr Seuss book. The style is consistent so like it or not it is the same style all over.
If you like warriors, make a warrior. I often play fighter types in pen and paper RPGs but have been bored with the melee warriors in most online games. I want cool skills like the warrior in Diablo II had, not 5 different ways to hold my sword.
Unlike other MMORPGs I have played the warrior in WOW has a list of abilities that is as impressive as other classes. You have a bar that you can put 12 buttons in. As a warrior you will have that bar full and wishing you had more room by level 10 if not sooner. As you do damage and recieve damage you will earn rage, you then use the rage to cast spell-like abilities. My favorite is Rend, it opens the targets gullet and starts them bleeding which causes damage over time. I love it when I am about to beat a monster so they "run away in fear." I don't need to chase them, I just stand and watch as they take a few steps then finally the blood loss finishes them off, "AAHHH!" they yell and slump to the ground without me touching them. You won't want to enter combat then step away from the PC for a snack like I have done in other games.
You get skills as you go up levels then you start getting talents also at level 10. There are more talents then you can afford to get so not all warriors will have the same exact talents. You can be a two weapon warrior, a weapon and shield warrior or a two-handed weapon warrior. Learn axes or stick with swords. Like to group, work on the skills that help with that. Want to PVP, choose skills for that.
Healing potions are fairly cheap to buy and easy to make so you can self heal. Not as well as a cleric, but better then what other games offer. Add this to the "why nobody groups" con list if you like.
Ok well I think I'll be heading out and picking it up today. I was also thinking that Warrior will probably end up being my first char. Thank you incredibly much for the info. Much appreciated.
I wish to God I didn't know now; the things I didn't know then.
On a kind of realated note, I left SWG for World of Warcraft last week. I played SWG from release till December of '04 and loved it (for the most part). Now, with all the "new things" SWG added I am completely bored. I can't find a thing to do in SWG...quests are repetitive after about the first 5 missions you get from the terminal. It is less linear than WoW, but it's too open because I honestly can't find anyhting to do. So after my other MMORPG experiences, (played other ones than SWG) I would say that WoW is the BEST MMORPG out right now and will be coming back to it in a few weeks.
I am very excited to come back, so I can have enjoyment in a game again!
Reasons to like it:
It's fun and easy to lean - there's a lot to do from level 1-60. You can solo the whole game if you so choose, but you're encouraged to group through the use of instances and "Elite" mobs.
Reasons to dislike it:
It's a very easy game. You never have to group until level 60, and many people never do. When you do hit level 60, you have to run a few specific dungeons 100-200 times to get the equipment you need to do the next dungeon. Since level 60 is so easy to attain, it really feels like you've hit an insurmountable roadblock at 60, and the game becomes about equipment.
WoW is aching for something to break out of the level 60 blues, but it doesn't look like anything is coming for a while. Alternate Advancement or something would be very welcome at this point.
My take:
Up until you hit level 60 and get sick of running the same instances/raids over and over (which happens much more quickly than in other games) it's the best game currently on the market. The content patches are free and generally pretty fun. Battlegrounds adds a lot of depth to then endgame. It's a very good game to tide you over until the next big thing arrives. (I'm holding out for Vanguard myself
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I agree Paladins are pretty cool and I did try one, but they have to be human or dwarf and I am tired of those races from so many other games. If you are thinking of those races then definately check out the Pallies. I wanted to try a new race so I went with undead.
Long live the Dark Lady! Or is it Long Unlive? Whatever...
So I picked the game up this afternoon and I gotta say, weeeeeeeeee!!! lol I'm having lots of fun just running round making things go splat. lol I'm very much liking the game and the fact that while I can do quests, I can still viably grind for those times when I can't stay on long enough to quest. That's exactly what I've been looking for. Was on another game recently which seems to be going toward making people stop grinding, powerleveling etc. I can dig the powerleveling but dammit sometimes I don't want to bother doing quests. Sometimes I just want to kill stuff. Nice to finally find a game that lets me do just that (and not die every 5 minutes in the process).
Oh and yes the game is dayum gorgeous. A Liiiiiiiiittle cartoony but not much compared to other games.
I wish to God I didn't know now; the things I didn't know then.
Haha I love threads like these.
You come to the forums and ask "well I dunno if WoW is good, is it good WoW fans on the WoW forums?
You already know the answer to the question, you're planning to play it regardless, if you go to the forums of <random other game> and ask if WoW is good you prolly will get a bad response. Ask the question to get the answer you want I guess
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He asked for convincing one way or the other, and all people spewed was how great the game is? At least try to give a rounded picture of WoW. I played WoW in Beta, in release for several months. Guess What? It's boring as hell. It's great at first, wow, this is cool. Easy interface, intuitive to use, the world design keeps it open to exploring and that goes a long way to easing folks into the game. Supremely easy levelling also facilitates the ease-of-play -- not even a HINT of the level grind of EQ, for instance. And that's a good thing, to a point.
Graphics? Totally in the eye of the beholder. Some like 'em, some don't. I think they're great FOR WHAT THEY ARE, a sort of glazed anime-styling. Again, it works, and the animations are smooth. Are they the greatest? Depends on your definition of greatest, and what you like. I'm not going to get into some childish tit-for-tat over "ooh, they're the best" or the other way. Take a look, decide for yourself.
Crafting is the easiest I've ever seen, and I've played DAoC, EQ, EQ2, SWG, AC1, AC2, Rubies, and others. Too many. Basically, crafting never rises above "bring x pieces of ore and your recipe to the forge and click 'build'". Higher levels of crafting don't increase in complexity, just in terms of how hard it is to find the ore in the above formula. Further, because of the economy of the auction house, it's simply a waste of time to make anything for yourself -- you'll never be able to build better equipment than you can buy in the Auction House. Build to sell, don't build to use.
The auction house is a big plus, since players can build/quest/dig for items to sell and with the huge populations on the servers it's a robust selling environment. THe downside is, of course, that you can always find better stuff there, cheaply, than you'll be able to build. (What they need to introduce into crafting is a sort of "improvement" scheme for items you already have -- like, take a specific ore and IMPROVE the stats/speed of a weapon; where more common items can be improved only so many times, and legendary items can be improved in various ways).
The last character I ran up to lvl 60 took less than two weeks of casual play. And that's the downside of WoW, and it's a HUGE downside: once you do a quest, regardless of class, get used to seeing that quest again and again in every character you make. There's no variety, you do the same things over and over again -- this is true in all MMORPGs, but it is depressingly so in WoW. You'll also begin to realise just how shoddy the game is, when the initial "wow this is cool and easy to play" factor wears off because you're confronted with NOTHING TO DO but endless runs of the same instances over and over again. Every inn in human areas, for instance, has the EXACT SAME floorplan, no variety, no changes, down to the dishes. The mines? There's like a grand total of two floorplans used for mines (in the human areas, again as an example). Over and over again. Dull as dishwater. Close your eyes, you've done this so many times that you know exactly when to turn and click attack.
Levelling is so damned easy that, at first this seems great, you get positive rewards for your efforts -- but that same easy levelling translates into a game that goes by VERY fast, and then dumps you into an unproductive and very limited endgame. Frankly, it's the worst endgame I've seen in any of these games, comparing each of them in their states 6 months after commercial release. Just... boring. Empty.
And ultimately, the community. What to say about that? Again, I've run into l33t-speaking morons in other games -- but never such a vast, dense number of them in one place. Doesn't matter time of day, week, etc -- the game is buried alive by idiots "pWNd!" this and talking trash about other people. First time I ever heard someone talking in general chat, on a normal (think PvE) server, about how to "trick" someone into activating their PvP tag so he could "pWN!" them -- why bother, people? If the person doesn't want to duel, move on and grow up -- don't run around in circles constantly clicking duel for the next twenty-five minutes, ruining their gametime for what? Childish satisfaction in your ability to spoil someone else's game? And even coming up with "tricks" to "trick" someone into doing something they don't want to do -- cripes, what a waste. Like I said, it's not that L33t-speaking, 12-yr-old, juvenile-deliquent behavior is unique to WoW -- it's just multiplied by a factor of thousands over any other game. Probably because the game is so easy to get into.
In the end, it comes down to a feeling of immersion. IT's an RPG, for crying out loud -- as in, roleplaying game. Having a community acting the way they do is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE to feeling like you're in an alternate world, and certainly doesn't represent roleplaying in any sense. Having morons in the world who seem to have nothing better than to figure out new ways to spoil someone else's time and play, in this density -- frightening. Does the world feel like it changes, do NPCs react differently to you when you proceed through quests? Not really. It's strange, because there's the near-genius of the writing in the Night Elf areas, including the quest on the docks where the Night Elf has you free his wife from being trapped as a ghost; the conclusion of that is awesome, if you watch it. THAT"S how to script quests. Unfortunately, it's a rare, rare exception. Most of them tell you what they need, you do it, and that's it. No more talking. Nothing more to say. The Devs have said in public that they have no intention of doing things like World Events that actually alter the world, because they want everyone to be able to do everything anyone else has done -- which is to say, they won't alter the world or remove any quest-giver, because someone else had the ability to do that quest and thereafter you wouldn't. Trouble with that is, you'll NEVER get a changing, living, breathing world that way. AC1, for instance, razed whole towns that let them slowly re-emerge over months and months of time. It's a vibrant, breathing world that changes, has seasons, etc. WoW is stagnant by design and evidently will never even try to do things that would make the world dynamic.
I would say play it with the knowledge that the game will not be something like EQ1 that most people played for YEARS but more something you'll get a lot of enjoyment out of time for a few months... and nothing beyond that.
Again, IMO. People's opinions are as differing and numerous as the number of people in the world. But just standing around going "Wow, it's got like the greatest graphics of all time!" doesn't serve anyone or any purpose. And this isn't a flame on WoW, it's an explanation, how one player (ok, my entire Guild, 'cause we all left in the space of two days for the same reasons; well, actually, everyone I know, too, which is a lot in a college town, and none of the guys and gals I know here bother anymore with WoW, we've all moved on out of sheer boredom and disgust with the community) views it. Will the subscriber numbers go up? Sure. Right up to the point when there's no more countries to enter. Will 3.5 million people be playing in one year? Heavily doubt it. WoW has mastered the ability to bring in new subscriptions, but they are far from figuring out how to KEEP those subscribers around more than a few months time. That imbalance will eventually turn against them. Personally, given teh enormous potential of the LORE of the gameworld and the interface/system (easily the best and most intuitive out there), I hope they wake up to their potentials and begin developing the game to make it immersive and ever-changing. Again, they've said they aren't interested in those directions, so... shrug.
[quote]Originally posted by EthanGNYC
[b]I will say I've heard nothing but bad things about the game for the most part. That being the case what I have seen/read that was positive did tweak my interest so I'm asking for opinions as to whether or not I should bother.
Hmm? Make up your mind!
I say this as objectively as i can be .Great game till 60 then like a sledgehammer it goes so boring.
One option has been to pvp but u have people standing in queues for sometimes hours to get into a very SMALL zone with a limited number of players.Game might as well have only 100 on the server if pvp is your kind of thing.
TBH the pvp in hillsbrad was way better then BG.
But yes i say this to everyone buy WoW if you want to kill some time because its great till 60.
Well I will put it out there like this.. What other choices do you have? Seriously everything out there is pretty much pathetic right now.. SOme of the older good games DAOC, AO, EQ1 are really really outdated.. Some of the new games EQ2, SWG, EVE, COH are well BORING... This leaves WOW...
High lvl Ganking (Constantly)
It was extremly fun at first but with the addition of "THE HONOR SYSTEM" Bwhahahaha some honor seeing that everwhere you turn to level your noob character a lvl 60 rogue or (insert random lvl 60 class here) is waiting to insure you do not lvl at all...Dont get me wrong im not a Carebear infact I love PVP games, but its extremly fustrating trying to quest and gain lvls when your body is being camped by people (PLURAL) 40 lvls higher then you.. And when you ask for help you rarely get any, but you probably will get the "Goto a PVE server cupcake". And guilds/guldmates rather Farm AV then help each other out... Anyways this is one bad part of it.. Lets get to the others
Community
This game has the most Immature Community of any MMORPG I have ever played and I have played some of the worst like PLanetside and L2...WOW blows them away completly...Grouping can be a problem too since most people rather solo or have a high lvl run them through a instance or quest. Most instances on my server (which is one of the most populated) are rarley used anymore.. Gettting a group together for a instance can and will be a game in itself...
Hacks and Dupes
Yes ofcourse this game is going to have them.. after all this is blizzard you know... Here is proof of one of the latest Dupes that is out and has been out for about 1 1/2 months and blizzard has yet to address it.http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=4466701&p=1&tmp=1#post4466701 . This dupe involves doing something in one of Blizzards instances, and thats all I will say about that.. As far as hacks there are several. One in particular that is extremly annoying is a hack that lets people have a hunter skill (track humanoids)... Which basicly is just as the name implys, imagine a lvl 60 rouge running around and he is able to see everybody on his map... GG and no lvling or running for you...Also alot of people use speed hacks, but thats a problem in alot of Online games.
Server Stability
Without a doupt WOW has the worst servers of any MMORPG I have ever played.. I dont want to here teh crap about they have so many people.. L2 has way more and EVE has the record for the most people on one server... Blizzard has neither of these things to brag about... Yet by the way there servers crash and burn daily and the amount of sheer lag you would think they were breaking ever Online record in the biz...If you dont believe me about the servers just check WOW's official site the General Forums and look at how many post you will have about "FIX ILLIDAN, FIX Stormreaver, FIX (insert any server here".. Recently they took my server down for 36 hours to address lag issues.. Since then things have gotten 100 times worse http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=4449180&p=1&tmp=1#post4449180 . Just how you take a server down to fix lag and stabilty issues and you actually make it worse is beyond me...But thats how its been since Open beta, and it continues to this day.
PVP with a purpose
Almost ever PVP MMORPG out there has something to gain IE land, Towers, Benifits, ect.. Not this one.. Only thing you can gain is Honor which allows you to buy special items for your character.. Thats it.... And with the addition of Battle Grounds you can now gain honor in spawned instances agianst the enemy. The problem here is there is nothing at stake...If me being Horde go out and loose agianst the alliance thats just it I loose.. I dont loose land, a item, a tower, my base, my home, my guild hall, benifits for my Empire.. Nothing...I mean seriously this game has the perfect RVR setup.. ALliance vs Horde yet instead of being able to conquer the enemys land and effect real live things on the world by having all out War we settle this conflict in a game of Medevil paintball CTF or Death matches....Simple put there is no purpose to PVP in this game other then to get your Epeen out and taunt the person you just ganked.....
All and all WOW has to many flaws for my taste but like I said in the beggining, what other choices are out there. THe fact that with all its many flaws WOW is still one of the best if not thee best MMORPG out there is sad.. But like last year and the year before that, the MMORPG world is about dead.. Thank god for Xbox360 and PS3....
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Well I will put it out there like this.. What other choices do you have? Seriously everything out there is pretty much pathetic right now.. SOme of the older good games DAOC, AO, EQ1 are really really outdated.. Some of the new games EQ2, SWG, EVE, COH are well BORING... This leaves WOW...
High lvl Ganking (Constantly)
It was extremly fun at first but with the addition of "THE HONOR SYSTEM" Bwhahahaha some honor seeing that everwhere you turn to level your noob character a lvl 60 rogue or (insert random lvl 60 class here) is waiting to insure you do not lvl at all...Dont get me wrong im not a Carebear infact I love PVP games, but its extremly fustrating trying to quest and gain lvls when your body is being camped by people (PLURAL) 40 lvls higher then you.. And when you ask for help you rarely get any, but you probably will get the "Goto a PVE server cupcake". And guilds/guldmates rather Farm AV then help each other out... Anyways this is one bad part of it.. Lets get to the others
Community
This game has the most Immature Community of any MMORPG I have ever played and I have played some of the worst like PLanetside and L2...WOW blows them away completly...Grouping can be a problem too since most people rather solo or have a high lvl run them through a instance or quest. Most instances on my server (which is one of the most populated) are rarley used anymore.. Gettting a group together for a instance can and will be a game in itself...
Hacks and Dupes
Yes ofcourse this game is going to have them.. after all this is blizzard you know... Here is proof of one of the latest Dupes that is out and has been out for about 1 1/2 months and blizzard has yet to address it.http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=4466701&p=1&tmp=1#post4466701 . This dupe involves doing something in one of Blizzards instances, and thats all I will say about that.. As far as hacks there are several. One in particular that is extremly annoying is a hack that lets people have a hunter skill (track humanoids)... Which basicly is just as the name implys, imagine a lvl 60 rouge running around and he is able to see everybody on his map... GG and no lvling or running for you...Also alot of people use speed hacks, but thats a problem in alot of Online games.
Server Stability
Without a doupt WOW has the worst servers of any MMORPG I have ever played.. I dont want to here teh crap about they have so many people.. L2 has way more and EVE has the record for the most people on one server... Blizzard has neither of these things to brag about... Yet by the way there servers crash and burn daily and the amount of sheer lag you would think they were breaking ever Online record in the biz...If you dont believe me about the servers just check WOW's official site the General Forums and look at how many post you will have about "FIX ILLIDAN, FIX Stormreaver, FIX (insert any server here".. Recently they took my server down for 36 hours to address lag issues.. Since then things have gotten 100 times worse http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=4449180&p=1&tmp=1#post4449180 . Just how you take a server down to fix lag and stabilty issues and you actually make it worse is beyond me...But thats how its been since Open beta, and it continues to this day.
PVP with a purpose
Almost ever PVP MMORPG out there has something to gain IE land, Towers, Benifits, ect.. Not this one.. Only thing you can gain is Honor which allows you to buy special items for your character.. Thats it.... And with the addition of Battle Grounds you can now gain honor in spawned instances agianst the enemy. The problem here is there is nothing at stake...If me being Horde go out and loose agianst the alliance thats just it I loose.. I dont loose land, a item, a tower, my base, my home, my guild hall, benifits for my Empire.. Nothing...I mean seriously this game has the perfect RVR setup.. ALliance vs Horde yet instead of being able to conquer the enemys land and effect real live things on the world by having all out War we settle this conflict in a game of Medevil paintball CTF or Death matches....Simple put there is no purpose to PVP in this game other then to get your Epeen out and taunt the person you just ganked.....
All and all WOW has to many flaws for my taste but like I said in the beggining, what other choices are out there. THe fact that with all its many flaws WOW is still one of the best if not thee best MMORPG out there is sad.. But like last year and the year before that, the MMORPG world is about dead.. Thank god for Xbox360 and PS3....
I agree with everything you said (to a degree) except one point you made in server stability. L2 has around 2mil subscribers. WoW now has 3.5 million subscribers. WoW has more subscribers, but it still isn't an excuse for these abundant server problems.
Well I will put it out there like this.. What other choices do you have? Seriously everything out there is pretty much pathetic right now.. SOme of the older good games DAOC, AO, EQ1 are really really outdated.. Some of the new games EQ2, SWG, EVE, COH are well BORING... This leaves WOW...
High lvl Ganking (Constantly)
It was extremly fun at first but with the addition of "THE HONOR SYSTEM" Bwhahahaha some honor seeing that everwhere you turn to level your noob character a lvl 60 rogue or (insert random lvl 60 class here) is waiting to insure you do not lvl at all...Dont get me wrong im not a Carebear infact I love PVP games, but its extremly fustrating trying to quest and gain lvls when your body is being camped by people (PLURAL) 40 lvls higher then you.. And when you ask for help you rarely get any, but you probably will get the "Goto a PVE server cupcake". And guilds/guldmates rather Farm AV then help each other out... Anyways this is one bad part of it.. Lets get to the others
Community
This game has the most Immature Community of any MMORPG I have ever played and I have played some of the worst like PLanetside and L2...WOW blows them away completly...Grouping can be a problem too since most people rather solo or have a high lvl run them through a instance or quest. Most instances on my server (which is one of the most populated) are rarley used anymore.. Gettting a group together for a instance can and will be a game in itself...
Hacks and Dupes
Yes ofcourse this game is going to have them.. after all this is blizzard you know... Here is proof of one of the latest Dupes that is out and has been out for about 1 1/2 months and blizzard has yet to address it.http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=4466701&p=1&tmp=1#post4466701 . This dupe involves doing something in one of Blizzards instances, and thats all I will say about that.. As far as hacks there are several. One in particular that is extremly annoying is a hack that lets people have a hunter skill (track humanoids)... Which basicly is just as the name implys, imagine a lvl 60 rouge running around and he is able to see everybody on his map... GG and no lvling or running for you...Also alot of people use speed hacks, but thats a problem in alot of Online games.
Server Stability
Without a doupt WOW has the worst servers of any MMORPG I have ever played.. I dont want to here teh crap about they have so many people.. L2 has way more and EVE has the record for the most people on one server... Blizzard has neither of these things to brag about... Yet by the way there servers crash and burn daily and the amount of sheer lag you would think they were breaking ever Online record in the biz...If you dont believe me about the servers just check WOW's official site the General Forums and look at how many post you will have about "FIX ILLIDAN, FIX Stormreaver, FIX (insert any server here".. Recently they took my server down for 36 hours to address lag issues.. Since then things have gotten 100 times worse http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=4449180&p=1&tmp=1#post4449180 . Just how you take a server down to fix lag and stabilty issues and you actually make it worse is beyond me...But thats how its been since Open beta, and it continues to this day.
PVP with a purpose
Almost ever PVP MMORPG out there has something to gain IE land, Towers, Benifits, ect.. Not this one.. Only thing you can gain is Honor which allows you to buy special items for your character.. Thats it.... And with the addition of Battle Grounds you can now gain honor in spawned instances agianst the enemy. The problem here is there is nothing at stake...If me being Horde go out and loose agianst the alliance thats just it I loose.. I dont loose land, a item, a tower, my base, my home, my guild hall, benifits for my Empire.. Nothing...I mean seriously this game has the perfect RVR setup.. ALliance vs Horde yet instead of being able to conquer the enemys land and effect real live things on the world by having all out War we settle this conflict in a game of Medevil paintball CTF or Death matches....Simple put there is no purpose to PVP in this game other then to get your Epeen out and taunt the person you just ganked.....
All and all WOW has to many flaws for my taste but like I said in the beggining, what other choices are out there. THe fact that with all its many flaws WOW is still one of the best if not thee best MMORPG out there is sad.. But like last year and the year before that, the MMORPG world is about dead.. Thank god for Xbox360 and PS3....
I agree with everything you said (to a degree) except one point you made in server stability. L2 has around 2mil subscribers. WoW now has 3.5 million subscribers. WoW has more subscribers, but it still isn't an excuse for these abundant server problems.
First off, ganking. You get ganked once , shame on him. You get ganked twice shame on you. How do you allow yourself to get camped? Blizzard has made it very convienent to not be camped if you do not want to be. But it takes sucking up pride and moving on.
Second , community. Id agree with you about most servers probably having very immature communities. The worsed in any game I have played. However RP servers Ive played on seem to eb very good.
Third , hacks and dupes. I dont doubt that but its not as rampant as you make it out to be. Besides Ive seen hacks and dupes in both SWG and Lineage 2 a lot worse than this.
Fourth, server stability. Not every server is screwed up. In fact Ive enjpyed next to no hassle playing for over 6 months now. HIgh pop servers , yeah I bet so. Youve seem to gotten your facts real wrong here as well. Lineage 2 has never had and does not currently have more subscribers than WOW. As for Eve holding the record for most on 1 server, I have no idea. But im sure its not too bad to run a few servers compared to over 100.
Fifth, pvp . Last time I checked getting gear would qualify as benefits. Of course your right though, more could be added to make it feel worth while.
Second , community. Id agree with you about most servers probably having very immature communities. The worsed in any game I have played. However RP servers Ive played on seem to eb very good.
Third , hacks and dupes. I dont doubt that but its not as rampant as you make it out to be. Besides Ive seen hacks and dupes in both SWG and Lineage 2 a lot worse than this.
Fourth, server stability. Not every server is screwed up. In fact Ive enjpyed next to no hassle playing for over 6 months now. HIgh pop servers , yeah I bet so. Youve seem to gotten your facts real wrong here as well. Lineage 2 has never had and does not currently have more subscribers than WOW. As for Eve holding the record for most on 1 server, I have no idea. But im sure its not too bad to run a few servers compared to over 100.
Fifth, pvp . Last time I checked getting gear would qualify as benefits. Of course your right though, more could be added to make it feel worth while.
Im not going to even get in a pissing contest with a obvious fanboi of the game.. Cause to put it simple its useless.
Ill just direct this to the OP and add that I have provided links to add more credibitity to what I claim is wrong with this game..Others just spout off what they think..
WOW has hacks galore, some in particular *cough* spee*** are still functioning to this day.. Is it Diablo2 bad, hell no no game could ever get that bad (well I hope not).. I would back this up by providing links to several of the hacks that I know about personally.. But last time I did that one of the mods here deleted my post..
As for server stablity lol I laugh at this Med pop servers Small pop servers and HIgh pop servers are have people complaining about lag... Agian all I have to do is direct you to the NUMEROUS post on the General forums about people complaining about something that is wrong with there server...
PVP agian I am forced to chuckle at this, PVP with a purpuse are games like DAOC, AO, EVE, SB, L2, hell even the Carebear game COH is comming out with more purpose to PVP (COV) then WOW.. Is this to say WOW will not have an expantion which will give us something to actually gain or loose in PVP.. Who knows, since this game has been out for 9 months and they have yet to give us anything concrete about there expansion plans.... BTW name another MMORPG that was about this long and didnt even have something for you to read up on about there upcomming expansion.. I can think of none, except WOW...Nobodys asking for an expansion yet, but at the same time not even letting us know whats they plan on having is very puzzling and sad.
And ganking is a huge problem in WOW, but usually the people that dont think it is are the ones that have 60's all ready and didnt have to worry about lvling post "HONOR SYSTEM PATCH"...It took me 1 1/2 months to get my sham to 60 while lvling my hunter to 45... Its will take me double this time now, since every time I try to quest (Anywhere) its usually interrupted by high lvls comming by and doing there thing...
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
WoW is pretty much hated by the hardcore MMORPG crowd. It's too easy for them to get to the end game, and when they gete there there isn't much for them to do. That's why you'll see so many peaple flaming the hell out of it here, this board is filled with MMORPG vets that can hit the level cap in two weeks of what they would consider "casual play." To me casual play is ten hours a week or less, but to each their own . . .
In any case, you will probably get a good two or three months of entertainment out of WoW. The first month you will absolutley love it, you'll think it's the best thing you've ever played. The second month it will start to seem a bit repetetive, but you'll be getting close to your first 60 (or you will have finally settled on the class you want to take to the end if you're an altaholic like me), and so you'll still be having fun. Around the third month you'll either become hoplessly addicted to the PvP, or you will become bored out of your mind (for me it was the latter). So I would say ingnore the bile thrown at the game here, and give it a try. It's worth it just for that first month when you absolutely love it, imo. Just don't expect it to hold your interst for too long.
On the topic of Warrior. My first character was a warrior. Apart from the fact that he was depressingly weak (at launch, they have since gotten huge buffs) I had no problems at all. It's a complex and engaging class. If you want a super butch character I'd vote for a Shamen or Mage. But if you just want to have fun, any character is playable as your first (especially if you are not new to MMORPGs).
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Im loving my Warrior atm as well..
One good thing about WOW perhaps better then any game I have played is the addons that you can use to customize your UI or your macros...
Never played a MMORPG with so many usefull addons, macros, mods.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
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Community
This game has the most Immature Community of any MMORPG I have ever played and I have played some of the worst like PLanetside and L2...WOW blows them away completly...Grouping can be a problem too since most people rather solo or have a high lvl run them through a instance or quest. Most instances on my server (which is one of the most populated) are rarley used anymore.. Gettting a group together for a instance can and will be a game in itself...
No, hands down the worse community is Guild Wars. At least World of Warcraft has in-game moderation were you can talk to moderator about a problem. To moderate in GW, you have to get off the game, go to the website support and complain there. On top of that, the players purposely create characters with racist names. (Hitler hates Juices, Black Nagger, etc.) and say some of the most racist stuff. ("Don't be a Jew, please run me somewhere.") Everyone thinks the next person is a noob, I mean how shallow do you have to be? I've played WoW and it can have immature and shallow players, but at least they have in-game moderator system to help stop it all and I never once heard a racial slur. GW doesn't have any control whatsoever and partying is even worse, especially if you are PvEing or trying to do tomb as certain builds. It's takes 45 minutes to hour to do anything in Guild Wars and that game so suppose to be a Co-Op game.
Other than that I can't commit on things you said, but community-wise hands down, Guild Wars has by far the worse community in all MMORPGs.