so what happen when u cant find anyone to buy ur gem and u need gold to buy stuff? then what? go buy gold from gold seller? Eventually the gold from gold seller will be cheaper than buying gem.
This just made the game pay to win. Now anything of value in game can be purchased by REAL MONEY. WHY YOU ASK? Because these GEMs are tradable for in game currency. Meaning you can buy max in game currency and anything in game for REAL MONEY.
Though this may or may not lower RMT sales of in game currency.
It 100% just made it a pay to win game.
Welcome to the end of GW2. I would have preffered a p2p monthly fee then this system.
You are not alone.
Even, if it just becomes a "Pay to Win the beauty contest", I still dislike it a lot and would have prefered a straight p2p monthly fee. Heck, even a double p2p monthly fee would have been better for me.
Actually, since there are many items which cannot be purchased with gold or gems (Karma/Glory/Dungeon Tokens), I don't think it's even a "pay to win the beauty contest" either. In fact, I would be very suprised to find out if any of the BOE gear is anywhere near as cool looking as the BOP gear. I would also be very suprised to fin dout that you could even purchase any kind of gear from the gem store. Most likely it will only be services (character transfers/name changes/etc.), conveniences (golum banker), and costumes (town cloths).
None of those are things that help you win the beauty contest or WvW or PvP. Nothing you can buy with gold can help you win any of those things either.
This just made the game pay to win. Now anything of value in game can be purchased by REAL MONEY. WHY YOU ASK? Because these GEMs are tradable for in game currency. Meaning you can buy max in game currency and anything in game for REAL MONEY.
Though this may or may not lower RMT sales of in game currency.
It 100% just made it a pay to win game.
Welcome to the end of GW2. I would have preffered a p2p monthly fee then this system.
You are not alone.
Even, if it just becomes a "Pay to Win the beauty contest", I still dislike it a lot and would have prefered a straight p2p monthly fee. Heck, even a double p2p monthly fee would have been better for me.
Actually, since there are many items which cannot be purchased with gold or gems (Karma/Glory/Dungeon Tokens), I don't think it's even a "pay to win the beauty contest" either. In fact, I would be very suprised to find out if any of the BOE gear is anywhere near as cool looking as the BOP gear. I would also be very suprised to fin dout that you could even purchase any kind of gear from the gem store. Most likely it will only be services (character transfers/name changes/etc.), conveniences (golum banker), and costumes (town cloths).
None of those are things that help you win the beauty contest or WvW or PvP. Nothing you can buy with gold can help you win any of those things either.
Okay, let's assume you are right: which is that the most cool-looking gear cannot be bought with gold. Then, why should I spend my real money to get gold? Assuming you are right, then I won't be able to win the beauty contest using gold, nor will I be able to win the character power contest using gold. So why on Earth would I ever consider buying gold with real money? Maybe a few people just like the view of seeing big numbers, but that is a minority.
crafting materials are a way for someone with money to pay to win. there are other ways you can pay to win in this game. they should rethink this option. I have seen what it does to games. it always ends with a very low in game gold value to those who do not spend real money.
I rather see gold spammers in game. Im certainly not going to buy it. unfair is unfair. such fail sigh
Hero Evermore Guild Master of Dragonspine since 1982. Playing Path of Exile and deeply in love with it.
Gems are not plex. Gems can't be used to buy the game or sub time(since there is none). Comparing gems to EVE's working system doesn't work in ANY context.
Gold will be useful. It will probably have a lot to do with crafting, traveling, training, and repairing equipment. If gold is useless, then no one will trade with it, making gems the only valuable currency. Now that we established gold will be useful, those who buy tons of gems can have a gold advantage over other players, meaning they can do/be more useful.
Also, how did everyone miss ANet saying how the item shop will only have "cosmetic" and "TIME SAVING" items. It's the time saving that concerns me. That could be anything from an xp potion, pvp rank potion, fast(er) travel, quicker rez, who knows.
This just made the game pay to win. Now anything of value in game can be purchased by REAL MONEY. WHY YOU ASK? Because these GEMs are tradable for in game currency. Meaning you can buy max in game currency and anything in game for REAL MONEY.
Though this may or may not lower RMT sales of in game currency.
It 100% just made it a pay to win game.
Welcome to the end of GW2. I would have preffered a p2p monthly fee then this system.
You are not alone.
Even, if it just becomes a "Pay to Win the beauty contest", I still dislike it a lot and would have prefered a straight p2p monthly fee. Heck, even a double p2p monthly fee would have been better for me.
I dont get this mindset at all, you would reather pay 15 dollars a month than buy some vanity stuff if you want to. if you dont have 15 dollars that month, guess what you can still play, if you want something out of the cash shop you can buy it with real money or gold.
There is nothing to pay to win, and all P2P games have vanity shops now days so there still "Pay to win the beauty contest" games
Gems are not plex. Gems can't be used to buy the game or sub time(since there is none). Comparing gems to EVE's working system doesn't work in ANY context.
Gold will be useful. It will probably have a lot to do with crafting, traveling, training, and repairing equipment. If gold is useless, then no one will trade with it, making gems the only valuable currency. Now that we established gold will be useful, those who buy tons of gems can have a gold advantage over other players, meaning they can do/be more useful.
Also, how did everyone miss ANet saying how the item shop will only have "cosmetic" and "TIME SAVING" items. It's the time saving that concerns me. That could be anything from an xp potion, pvp rank potion, fast(er) travel, quicker rez, who knows.
Gems should be soulbound or removed.
because your only taking some of the things that ANET says and use them aginst it.
what about when they say no one should be able to buy power,
what about when they say the only difference in WvW is gear (what level you are ) and level (for traits and unlocks only)
If your gonna use what anet says as a defense then use it all not just pick and choose
News flash, GOLD CANNOT BUY UPPER LEVEL GEAR, ITEMS, or ENHANCMENTS. All you can get with it is conviences. Faster crafting, faster leveling, and cool looking stuff.
So stop with the gems=p2w, anyone witha 3rd grade reading comprehension knows this already.
crafting materials are a way for someone with money to pay to win. there are other ways you can pay to win in this game. they should rethink this option. I have seen what it does to games. it always ends with a very low in game gold value to those who do not spend real money.
I rather see gold spammers in game. Im certainly not going to buy it. unfair is unfair. such fail sigh
You have seen what it does to games where Gear matters. Name one game when gear is on a even platform that something bad happen to. even if you get crafted material it will only be to craft different loos because everyone will have max gear stats for there level easily.
I understand your issue with the system in games where you can buy power (or gear that i can't readily get) but the game design that anet choose to use it what will prevent the fear you have of P2W coming into play
Gems are not plex. Gems can't be used to buy the game or sub time(since there is none). Comparing gems to EVE's working system doesn't work in ANY context.
Gold will be useful. It will probably have a lot to do with crafting, traveling, training, and repairing equipment. If gold is useless, then no one will trade with it, making gems the only valuable currency. Now that we established gold will be useful, those who buy tons of gems can have a gold advantage over other players, meaning they can do/be more useful.
Also, how did everyone miss ANet saying how the item shop will only have "cosmetic" and "TIME SAVING" items. It's the time saving that concerns me. That could be anything from an xp potion, pvp rank potion, fast(er) travel, quicker rez, who knows.
Gems should be soulbound or removed.
Can you elaborate on how much crafting, traveling, training and repairing equipment will cost? Will I be able to do all those things well just by playing a few hours per day? The question is not only "Will gold have any use?", but "Will the extra gold I purchase with my real money, be of any good use?".
crafting materials are a way for someone with money to pay to win. there are other ways you can pay to win in this game. they should rethink this option. I have seen what it does to games. it always ends with a very low in game gold value to those who do not spend real money.
I rather see gold spammers in game. Im certainly not going to buy it. unfair is unfair. such fail sigh
The bad thing is, we're still going to see gold sellers. They were all over Runes of Magic during the time period when players were buying and selling their cash shop gems and RMT farmers still exist in Eve, too.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Something to note that D2jsp has been used in a number of a games including WoW and Guildwars, the reason why both Blizzard and Anet have been pushing this route is because D2jsp is not secure, and to attempt to provide the same service that this third party site has been providing since 90's.
You can think of it as another third-party mod that has been absorbed into the current game design, you can't really blame the concept nor the company that adopts it, but rather you should blame yourselves for allowing such things to happen in the first place. Undoubtedly each and every one of you have come across someone who has purchased something through illegal trading, and you probably thought nothing of it, you later cast it from your thoughts and left previous individual to their own devices. By doing nothing and saying nothing you allowed this player to continue on as if he did nothing wrong, only to reinforce the idea that illegal trading was something that everyone did.
On the upside, I can now earn a cash shop currency for helping players earn skill points. I can't even imagine how much money players will be willing to shell out for their wintersday titles.
Originally posted by Bunks News flash, GOLD CANNOT BUY UPPER LEVEL GEAR, ITEMS, or ENHANCMENTS. All you can get with it is conviences. Faster crafting, faster leveling, and cool looking stuff. So stop with the gems=p2w, anyone witha 3rd grade reading comprehension knows this already.
That's incorrect.
There will be crafted gear at level 80 which is on par with any gear you can get anywhere else. There will be tradeable gear which is on par with anything you can get anywhere else.
That's the whole point of the power plateau in the game. The best stats will be easy to get from multiple sources...and after that it's all just cosmetic or stat adjustments for your various builds.
The no-drop stuff you get with tokens or Karma does NOT have better stats or any more power than the stuff you can buy with gold / real money in the economy.
how can you say faster lvling is not pay to win LOL LOL LOL
Becasue the levels get equaled out in WvW, so you can go in at level 1 and still compete. So racing to level 80 will not give the "automatic win" like so many other games.
But there are still players that want to be max level as fast as thay can, so there is a mechanic for it. Everybody wins!
News flash, GOLD CANNOT BUY UPPER LEVEL GEAR, ITEMS, or ENHANCMENTS. All you can get with it is conviences. Faster crafting, faster leveling, and cool looking stuff.
So stop with the gems=p2w, anyone witha 3rd grade reading comprehension knows this already.
How will gold directly give you faster leveling? How much faster crafting? Is crafting of any use at all powerwise in PvE and against other servers, or is it just for alternative vanity looks?
There will be crafted gear at level 80 which is on par with any gear you can get anywhere else. There will be tradeable gear which is on par with anything you can get anywhere else.
That's the whole point of the power plateau in the game. The best stats will be easy to get from multiple sources...and after that it's all just cosmetic or stat adjustments for your various builds.
The no-drop stuff you get with tokens or Karma does NOT have better stats or any more power than the stuff you can buy with gold / real money in the economy.
So, its pay to win because I can elect to spend real cash on items that are equally obtainable as drops, or purchased with currency that is strictly obtained in-game ? Makes sense...lol.
how can you say faster lvling is not pay to win LOL LOL LOL
Becasue the levels get equaled out in WvW, so you can go in at level 1 and still compete. So racing to level 80 will not give the "automatic win" like so many other games.
But there are still players that want to do that, so there is a mechanic for it. Everybody wins!
WvW everyon has the stats of a level 80
PvE every area scales only so high so no matter how fast you go you have to be in the correct area to be your level
Structured everyone has the same gear and all of there traits and skills unlocked
News flash, GOLD CANNOT BUY UPPER LEVEL GEAR, ITEMS, or ENHANCMENTS. All you can get with it is conviences. Faster crafting, faster leveling, and cool looking stuff.
So stop with the gems=p2w, anyone witha 3rd grade reading comprehension knows this already.
How will gold directly give you faster leveling? How much faster crafting? Is crafting of any use at all powerwise in PvE and against other servers, or is it just for alternative vanity looks?
we already know there will be a mobile bank. So that speeds up traveling back to dump items, that's all. Crafting, well if you have the gold to buy mats, then crafting will obviously be easier and quicker. Crafting items are standard though. Most stats are base set items. The only true way to make an item "uber" is to apply Runes and Sigil's, and those can only be bought with karma/tokens/glory which is earned only by actual game play.
Just do the damn $14.99 a month subscription. I'm tired of the cash shops! I was under the assumption months ago it would be like GW1 and just be B2P. It has really taken the game down a knotch for me. Flame on but I just don't like cash shops no matter how much glitter they throw at it.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Just do the damn $14.99 a month subscription. I'm tired of the cash shops! I was under the assumption months ago it would be like GW1 and just be B2P. It has really taken the game down a knotch for me. Flame on but I just don't like cash shops no matter how much glitter they throw at it.
your welcome to that opinion. and again you never have to touch the CS if you dont want to. i for one will only buy charicter slots and maybe a few vanity items and save my 15 dollars a month
Just do the damn $14.99 a month subscription. I'm tired of the cash shops! I was under the assumption months ago it would be like GW1 and just be B2P. It has really taken the game down a knotch for me. Flame on but I just don't like cash shops no matter how much glitter they throw at it.
lol...$15 a month mandated out of your pocket is better than a cash shop that sells skins for your gear ?
Okay, let's assume you are right: which is that the most cool-looking gear cannot be bought with gold. Then, why should I spend my real money to get gold? Assuming you are right, then I won't be able to win the beauty contest using gold, nor will I be able to win the character power contest using gold. So why on Earth would I ever consider buying gold with real money? Maybe a few people just like the view of seeing big numbers, but that is a minority.
The most exclusive items will be reserved for those who a good enough (dungons/PvP) or those who spend a lot of time (Karma/titles) to prove they are worthy of such items. Until you get to that point, you will need something to wear in the meantime. That's what craftable itemsand drops are good for.
Also, no matter how you got your armor you're going to want to upgrade and customise it the way you want to. That costs gold.
Comments
so what happen when u cant find anyone to buy ur gem and u need gold to buy stuff? then what? go buy gold from gold seller? Eventually the gold from gold seller will be cheaper than buying gem.
Actually, since there are many items which cannot be purchased with gold or gems (Karma/Glory/Dungeon Tokens), I don't think it's even a "pay to win the beauty contest" either. In fact, I would be very suprised to find out if any of the BOE gear is anywhere near as cool looking as the BOP gear. I would also be very suprised to fin dout that you could even purchase any kind of gear from the gem store. Most likely it will only be services (character transfers/name changes/etc.), conveniences (golum banker), and costumes (town cloths).
None of those are things that help you win the beauty contest or WvW or PvP. Nothing you can buy with gold can help you win any of those things either.
Okay, let's assume you are right: which is that the most cool-looking gear cannot be bought with gold. Then, why should I spend my real money to get gold? Assuming you are right, then I won't be able to win the beauty contest using gold, nor will I be able to win the character power contest using gold. So why on Earth would I ever consider buying gold with real money? Maybe a few people just like the view of seeing big numbers, but that is a minority.
crafting materials are a way for someone with money to pay to win. there are other ways you can pay to win in this game. they should rethink this option. I have seen what it does to games. it always ends with a very low in game gold value to those who do not spend real money.
I rather see gold spammers in game. Im certainly not going to buy it. unfair is unfair. such fail sigh
Hero Evermore
Guild Master of Dragonspine since 1982.
Playing Path of Exile and deeply in love with it.
Ok.
Gems are not plex. Gems can't be used to buy the game or sub time(since there is none). Comparing gems to EVE's working system doesn't work in ANY context.
Gold will be useful. It will probably have a lot to do with crafting, traveling, training, and repairing equipment. If gold is useless, then no one will trade with it, making gems the only valuable currency. Now that we established gold will be useful, those who buy tons of gems can have a gold advantage over other players, meaning they can do/be more useful.
Also, how did everyone miss ANet saying how the item shop will only have "cosmetic" and "TIME SAVING" items. It's the time saving that concerns me. That could be anything from an xp potion, pvp rank potion, fast(er) travel, quicker rez, who knows.
Gems should be soulbound or removed.
I dont get this mindset at all, you would reather pay 15 dollars a month than buy some vanity stuff if you want to. if you dont have 15 dollars that month, guess what you can still play, if you want something out of the cash shop you can buy it with real money or gold.
There is nothing to pay to win, and all P2P games have vanity shops now days so there still "Pay to win the beauty contest" games
because your only taking some of the things that ANET says and use them aginst it.
what about when they say no one should be able to buy power,
what about when they say the only difference in WvW is gear (what level you are ) and level (for traits and unlocks only)
If your gonna use what anet says as a defense then use it all not just pick and choose
News flash, GOLD CANNOT BUY UPPER LEVEL GEAR, ITEMS, or ENHANCMENTS. All you can get with it is conviences. Faster crafting, faster leveling, and cool looking stuff.
So stop with the gems=p2w, anyone witha 3rd grade reading comprehension knows this already.
You have seen what it does to games where Gear matters. Name one game when gear is on a even platform that something bad happen to. even if you get crafted material it will only be to craft different loos because everyone will have max gear stats for there level easily.
I understand your issue with the system in games where you can buy power (or gear that i can't readily get) but the game design that anet choose to use it what will prevent the fear you have of P2W coming into play
Can you elaborate on how much crafting, traveling, training and repairing equipment will cost? Will I be able to do all those things well just by playing a few hours per day? The question is not only "Will gold have any use?", but "Will the extra gold I purchase with my real money, be of any good use?".
The bad thing is, we're still going to see gold sellers. They were all over Runes of Magic during the time period when players were buying and selling their cash shop gems and RMT farmers still exist in Eve, too.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
Something to note that D2jsp has been used in a number of a games including WoW and Guildwars, the reason why both Blizzard and Anet have been pushing this route is because D2jsp is not secure, and to attempt to provide the same service that this third party site has been providing since 90's.
You can think of it as another third-party mod that has been absorbed into the current game design, you can't really blame the concept nor the company that adopts it, but rather you should blame yourselves for allowing such things to happen in the first place. Undoubtedly each and every one of you have come across someone who has purchased something through illegal trading, and you probably thought nothing of it, you later cast it from your thoughts and left previous individual to their own devices. By doing nothing and saying nothing you allowed this player to continue on as if he did nothing wrong, only to reinforce the idea that illegal trading was something that everyone did.
On the upside, I can now earn a cash shop currency for helping players earn skill points. I can't even imagine how much money players will be willing to shell out for their wintersday titles.
That's incorrect.
There will be crafted gear at level 80 which is on par with any gear you can get anywhere else. There will be tradeable gear which is on par with anything you can get anywhere else.
That's the whole point of the power plateau in the game. The best stats will be easy to get from multiple sources...and after that it's all just cosmetic or stat adjustments for your various builds.
The no-drop stuff you get with tokens or Karma does NOT have better stats or any more power than the stuff you can buy with gold / real money in the economy.
how can you say faster lvling is not pay to win LOL LOL LOL
Hero Evermore
Guild Master of Dragonspine since 1982.
Playing Path of Exile and deeply in love with it.
Tell me what you win.
Becasue the levels get equaled out in WvW, so you can go in at level 1 and still compete. So racing to level 80 will not give the "automatic win" like so many other games.
But there are still players that want to be max level as fast as thay can, so there is a mechanic for it. Everybody wins!
How will gold directly give you faster leveling? How much faster crafting? Is crafting of any use at all powerwise in PvE and against other servers, or is it just for alternative vanity looks?
So, its pay to win because I can elect to spend real cash on items that are equally obtainable as drops, or purchased with currency that is strictly obtained in-game ? Makes sense...lol.
WvW everyon has the stats of a level 80
PvE every area scales only so high so no matter how fast you go you have to be in the correct area to be your level
Structured everyone has the same gear and all of there traits and skills unlocked
What does faster leveling do for your
maybe have a few traits before me?
we already know there will be a mobile bank. So that speeds up traveling back to dump items, that's all. Crafting, well if you have the gold to buy mats, then crafting will obviously be easier and quicker. Crafting items are standard though. Most stats are base set items. The only true way to make an item "uber" is to apply Runes and Sigil's, and those can only be bought with karma/tokens/glory which is earned only by actual game play.
Just do the damn $14.99 a month subscription. I'm tired of the cash shops! I was under the assumption months ago it would be like GW1 and just be B2P. It has really taken the game down a knotch for me. Flame on but I just don't like cash shops no matter how much glitter they throw at it.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
your welcome to that opinion. and again you never have to touch the CS if you dont want to. i for one will only buy charicter slots and maybe a few vanity items and save my 15 dollars a month
lol...$15 a month mandated out of your pocket is better than a cash shop that sells skins for your gear ?
The most exclusive items will be reserved for those who a good enough (dungons/PvP) or those who spend a lot of time (Karma/titles) to prove they are worthy of such items. Until you get to that point, you will need something to wear in the meantime. That's what craftable itemsand drops are good for.
Also, no matter how you got your armor you're going to want to upgrade and customise it the way you want to. That costs gold.
While I am looking forward to GW2 I expect gold farming to reach a new level of art form.