No montly sub with or without cash shop, imagine this, you have played the game for many months and you are bored what can you do? well you can play less do other things, you dont need to stop your subscription because you dont have to pay one , you arent going to pay a subscription to play 1 or 2 times a week ofc.
If I'm only playing 1-2 times a week, that means I don't care to play the game at all. So in the end what difference would it have made if I had simply cancelled my sub (if there was one)? None at all to me. If I like a game that's the game I'm going to be playing, and I'll put in as many hours as I can in a week. Sub or not would make no difference in that to me.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So ultimately you have to ask yourself do I need to buy anything from the cash shop to make this a complete game or to continue the game. No you don't. Do any of the cash shop items give you a competitive advantage? Not that I'm aware of although I'm sure some will to try to spin it otherwise.
Time convenience items are a competitive advantage as far as I'm concerned, give me infinite time and I will achieve everything and rule the world. I have sympathy for people who don't have much time to spend on games and feel like they get left behind in MMO's. They will be left even further behind by people who have alot of time and use time convenience items ontop of that so it doesn't improve anything for them.
I simply cannot understand why anyone would want a cash shop with anything more than cosmetic items unless they intend to pay money to gain a competitive advantage. You pay for the game and then you pay to achieve things faster, bypass content and gain a competitive advantage over other players, makes no sense for me and I want none of it.
"Want", probably very few people want one... "mind" that's something else, at least in my case.
I don't have as much time as I used to (married with a baby and going back to college do that to you). Will I be pass over by people spending more time/money/both in the game? Yep, definitively.... and so what?. I understand it might be a problem on games like WoW, or for people that need to feel they're the first to get to the cap... me, I just don't mind. Besides, they won't get any advantage on structured PvP, and if they get any in WvW I won't be fighting against them but besides them (and against another servers that probably has just as many people spending just as much time/money/both), won't give them that much of an advantage in dynamic events either, since they scale difficulty up and scale you down of you overlevel them.
So I don't particularly "want" this item store and most likely will never buy anything off it (not with money at least)... but I don't mind it either. In any MMO there are always people that either by spending more time or money level faster, people that level slower, and everywhere in between, don't really see a problem with it, from my point of view, at least.
Its gunna be a great feeling when people like you and I destroy the folks in WvW who spend all tis money because they believed they "had" to to be viable. God I cannot wait for the amountof butthurt to ensue.
Ooops, no one on your server had a cash shop megaphone, so no one knew to show up to help you defend at a crucial juncture. Sorry, you lose the keep!
You can talk with everyone on WvWvW, you dont need a megaphone
You can talk with everyone on WvWvW, you dont need a megaphone
Sure, but what if it's off peak and you want more from your server to come join the fight? Easier with a world-spanning megaphone, right?
To be honest this is an extreme example, I doubt it will happen often, but the whole megaphone thing is so free to play trash MMO style that it annoys me just by existing.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
I think that the idea that I would actually be worried about paying a sub on a game I play once or twice a week as opposed to everyday does not make an argument for me. If I like a game I play it almost daily and when I stop I discontinue my sub. The fact that I pay a sub or not pay a sub was never in any game a reason to play.
Cash shops or what they offer in their shop ; for me the danger of ptw in game with no sub is more real than one with a sub. Harder to justify it in the game with a sub and you lose subs. What danger do you have from people who already bought your game.
Oh look. A scare mongering thread. We haven't seen any of these, no not at all.
MMO's played: Ragnarok Online (For years), WoW (for a few weeks only), Guild Wars, Lineage 2, Eve, Allods, Shattered Galaxy, 9 Dragons, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Star Trek Online (Got someone ELSE to pay for it), Champions Online (Someone else paid), Dofus, Dragonica, LOTRO, DDO and more... A LOT more. I've played good AND bad. The bad didn't last long. :P
Oh look. A scare mongering thread. We haven't seen any of these, no not at all.
Monger Monger Monger!
Okay, fine, no matter what, it's just a game, not the end of the world, no one is going to get run over by a train because GW2 got greedy with the cash shop.
At the same time meh, it's a subject that interests me and that I have strong opinions about.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Oh look. A scare mongering thread. We haven't seen any of these, no not at all.
Monger Monger Monger!
Okay, fine, no matter what, it's just a game, not the end of the world, no one is going to get run over by a train because GW2 got greedy with the cash shop.
At the same time meh, it's a subject that interests me and that I have strong opinions about.
/facepalm
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
My biggest annoyance is already stated fact. Gems for gold.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
I wonder is it even possible to place your own price for Gems.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
I wonder is it even possible to place your own price for Gems.
A leak....eeer... a screenshot a little bird showed me seems to indicate that you don't set the price, instead seems that you put how much money you want to use to buy gems, or how many gems you want to sell, so I guess it's a bit automated.
I wonder is it even possible to place your own price for Gems.
A leak....eeer... a screenshot a little bird showed me seems to indicate that you don't set the price, instead seems that you put how much money you want to use to buy gems, or how many gems you want to sell, so I guess it's a bit automated.
So how could one make the price of gems go up?
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Originally posted by Madimorga Originally posted by Zy347 Does anyone else realize that your subbing by buying the key to activate your account, so it is similar to a life sub like in some other games. meaning the world chat would be open to all players, meaning there would be no need for "cash shop megaphones."
Then why are they selling megaphones in the cash shop?
If you know this, by telling me, YOU are violating the NDA dude.
I wonder is it even possible to place your own price for Gems.
A leak....eeer... a screenshot a little bird showed me seems to indicate that you don't set the price, instead seems that you put how much money you want to use to buy gems, or how many gems you want to sell, so I guess it's a bit automated.
So how could one make the price of gems go up?
Guessing (speculating based on a single screenshot that might or might not be real), if the system is automated it probably takes into account how much gold is in the system and how many gems are available for sale, the more gems (or less gold) available, the lower the price for each one. So if the system works like that, if you wanted to make the price go up you'd need to either farm gold like crazy or buy a lot of gems available (with gold, not cash).
Does anyone else realize that your subbing by buying the key to activate your account, so it is similar to a life sub like in some other games. meaning the world chat would be open to all players, meaning there would be no need for "cash shop megaphones."
Then why are they selling megaphones in the cash shop?
If you know this, by telling me, YOU are violating the NDA dude.
I'm not under an NDA of any kind, therefore, cannot violate one.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
I'd rather pay a sub fee, personally. If I enjoy a game, I have no problem paying a subscription fee for it. I actually think I'll spend more money in the shop than I do on subs. I don't really mind that either; I just think the gem system will cause an imbalanced game economy.
To me when a game depends on a cash shop to make money then the game is gonna be lacking in something so you will buy it in the shop.Example bag space,crafting fail rate unless you buy something,very little exp un less you buy potions/scrolls for extra exp,crapy mounts unless you buy in shop ,dull gear looks unless you buy in cash shop and many more things that are left out of the game so you have to buy them.
They didn't do it to the first Guild Wars why would they do it to the second?
[Mod Edit]
I know none of this is new; the original Guild Wars also had microtransactions. But microtransactions were an afterthought in Guild Wars, whereas with Guild Wars 2, we had an opportunity to integrate the microtransaction system from the ground up, giving players more options and more convenience without sacrificing our design principles. So, here’s what we’re doing differently this time.
To me when a game depends on a cash shop to make money then the game is gonna be lacking in something so you will buy it in the shop.Example bag space,crafting fail rate unless you buy something,very little exp un less you buy potions/scrolls for extra exp,crapy mounts unless you buy in shop ,dull gear looks unless you buy in cash shop and many more things that are left out of the game so you have to buy them.
Oh but the game isn't dependant on the cash shop, cash shop is dependin on the game lol.
Hell you can get what's in the cash shop in this game, I'm sure some games with cash shops don't do this.
Plus have you seen the cash shop vanity items yet? lol
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
They didn't do it to the first Guild Wars why would they do it to the second?
I know none of this is new; the original Guild Wars also had microtransactions. But microtransactions were an afterthought in Guild Wars, whereas with Guild Wars 2, we had an opportunity to integrate the microtransaction system from the ground up, giving players more options and more convenience without sacrificing our design principles. So, here’s what we’re doing differently this time.
The cash shop will be different from Guild Wars. That much was already stated by the devs. So who is the troll again?
Both
[Mod Edit]
Hahaha I don't know this is kind of funny.
Pay 15 a month on pupose
Pay in game gold to get cash shop thing but the cash shop things are available in game as well.
Gems don't get gold but they can get gold from players, right now it looks like the prices can't be lowered or raised but that isn't a fact but much more towards that then other.
Cash shop still not finalize
In the end I won't have to spend rl money as those using cash shop things and I could still do better if I want with/without cash shop stuff.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Oh but the game isn't dependant on the cash shop, cash shop is dependin on the game lol.
Hell you can get what's in the cash shop in this game, I'm sure some games with cash shops don't do this.
Plus have you seen the cash shop vanity items yet? lol
Your first sentence there is a bit off. The entire service is going to be dependant on the cash shop. That much is obvious from these latest revelations. If the cash shop was an after-thought as you seem to be suggesting, most of what we saw wouldn't be there. No it's not P2W IMO, at least thus far, but it is no different than the cash-shops we see in non-P2W F2P's.
This cash shop is obviously set up to supplement the game, in order to fund it and they will most likely adjust the game according to sales in that shop. if they're not getting enough sales don't be surprised when they make changes that ensure more revenue from CS sales.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Oh but the game isn't dependant on the cash shop, cash shop is dependin on the game lol.
Hell you can get what's in the cash shop in this game, I'm sure some games with cash shops don't do this.
Plus have you seen the cash shop vanity items yet? lol
Your first sentence there is a bit off. The entire service is going to be dependant on the cash shop. That much is obvious from these latest revelations. If the cash shop was an after-thought as you seem to be suggesting, most of what we saw wouldn't be there. No it's not P2W IMO, at least thus far, but it is no different than the cash-shops we see in non-P2W F2P's.
This cash shop is obviously set up to supplement the game, in order to fund it and they will most likely adjust the game according to sales in that shop. if they're not getting enough sales don't be surprised when they make changes that ensure more revenue from CS sales.
If it was entirely and literally dependant they would have not made cash shop stuff be available in game.
Those with not much time on their hands or lazy or really just want to hit 80 or make alts will love the cash shop.
In this case the cash shop helps but then in some funny way we must wonder if it's not stuff you won't really and literally need why sell it?
The money will help from the cash shop of course and help those who don't want to level their alts like the first and etc.
Also why are we comparing just the cash shop, of course it may be no different but the huge difference and yes this is a difference is the games, they built the game so regardless of what's in the cash shop you can get it and if you do you still won't have an advatange due to the game mechanics itself.
If they are selling supply,power items,add in gear grind, make gear dependant, take away level scaling, take away leveled gear, take away the level curve, take away the fact that gear is cosmectic, take away the fact that if you get nice gear at a low level that it doesn't boost your stats because you can't wear it regardless.
Take away skill base mechanics.
People can play and enjoy w/o the cash shop, hell I'd also see if they didn't add no more than two character slots, have bags obtainable, have keys obtainable, and etc.
The lil boosts only last an hour.
If they make cash shop gear leagues more valuable than what's in game.
Update as things come to mind.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
For me it's about the quality of the game and how much impact the cash shop will have on my play style. I doubt maxing out my storage space for each character is going to run to the same cost as paying a sub over a period of some months, if the game has as much longevity as GW did for me then no way will that come anywhere near what it would cost if I'm paying a sub. As long as I can choose to ignore things like random loot bags and xp enhancements etc I'll just get on with enjoying what the game has to offer, which people seem to be losing sight of, it's not some crummy F2P title with poor game mechanics designed to keep you spending and poor graphics with lore that's not developed, nothing we've seen so far suggests anything but a quality game. Look at what you're getting, THINK about what YOU may need to spend and weigh it up from there. If the Forbes article is true, no NDA for post April 10th, we'll be getting plenty of feedback from people who have taken a leap of faith and pre-purchased, I'll be one of them.
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If I'm only playing 1-2 times a week, that means I don't care to play the game at all. So in the end what difference would it have made if I had simply cancelled my sub (if there was one)? None at all to me. If I like a game that's the game I'm going to be playing, and I'll put in as many hours as I can in a week. Sub or not would make no difference in that to me.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
You can talk with everyone on WvWvW, you dont need a megaphone
Sure, but what if it's off peak and you want more from your server to come join the fight? Easier with a world-spanning megaphone, right?
To be honest this is an extreme example, I doubt it will happen often, but the whole megaphone thing is so free to play trash MMO style that it annoys me just by existing.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
I think that the idea that I would actually be worried about paying a sub on a game I play once or twice a week as opposed to everyday does not make an argument for me. If I like a game I play it almost daily and when I stop I discontinue my sub. The fact that I pay a sub or not pay a sub was never in any game a reason to play.
Cash shops or what they offer in their shop ; for me the danger of ptw in game with no sub is more real than one with a sub. Harder to justify it in the game with a sub and you lose subs. What danger do you have from people who already bought your game.
Oh look. A scare mongering thread. We haven't seen any of these, no not at all.
MMO's played: Ragnarok Online (For years), WoW (for a few weeks only), Guild Wars, Lineage 2, Eve, Allods, Shattered Galaxy, 9 Dragons, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Star Trek Online (Got someone ELSE to pay for it), Champions Online (Someone else paid), Dofus, Dragonica, LOTRO, DDO and more... A LOT more. I've played good AND bad. The bad didn't last long. :P
Monger Monger Monger!
Okay, fine, no matter what, it's just a game, not the end of the world, no one is going to get run over by a train because GW2 got greedy with the cash shop.
At the same time meh, it's a subject that interests me and that I have strong opinions about.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
Unfortunately, the opinions are based on assumptions of items, rather than any degree of fact:
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/forum/cash-shop-items-leak-t32319.html
/facepalm
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
My biggest annoyance is already stated fact. Gems for gold.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
I wonder is it even possible to place your own price for Gems.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
A leak....eeer... a screenshot a little bird showed me seems to indicate that you don't set the price, instead seems that you put how much money you want to use to buy gems, or how many gems you want to sell, so I guess it's a bit automated.
What can men do against such reckless hate?
So how could one make the price of gems go up?
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
If you know this, by telling me, YOU are violating the NDA dude.
Guessing (speculating based on a single screenshot that might or might not be real), if the system is automated it probably takes into account how much gold is in the system and how many gems are available for sale, the more gems (or less gold) available, the lower the price for each one. So if the system works like that, if you wanted to make the price go up you'd need to either farm gold like crazy or buy a lot of gems available (with gold, not cash).
What can men do against such reckless hate?
I'm not under an NDA of any kind, therefore, cannot violate one.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
I'd rather pay a sub fee, personally. If I enjoy a game, I have no problem paying a subscription fee for it. I actually think I'll spend more money in the shop than I do on subs. I don't really mind that either; I just think the gem system will cause an imbalanced game economy.
Gw1 is irrelevant to what will happen with GW2. The OP expressed an opinion that he'd rather pay a sub-fee than see a cash shop.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I wont pay anything but a sub game.
To me when a game depends on a cash shop to make money then the game is gonna be lacking in something so you will buy it in the shop.Example bag space,crafting fail rate unless you buy something,very little exp un less you buy potions/scrolls for extra exp,crapy mounts unless you buy in shop ,dull gear looks unless you buy in cash shop and many more things that are left out of the game so you have to buy them.
What about gold for gems?
This is not a game.
I know none of this is new; the original Guild Wars also had microtransactions. But microtransactions were an afterthought in Guild Wars, whereas with Guild Wars 2, we had an opportunity to integrate the microtransaction system from the ground up, giving players more options and more convenience without sacrificing our design principles. So, here’s what we’re doing differently this time.
Source: http://www.arena.net/blog/mike-obrien-on-microtransactions-in-guild-wars-2
The cash shop will be different from Guild Wars. That much was already stated by the devs. [Mod Edit]
Oh but the game isn't dependant on the cash shop, cash shop is dependin on the game lol.
Hell you can get what's in the cash shop in this game, I'm sure some games with cash shops don't do this.
Plus have you seen the cash shop vanity items yet? lol
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Both
[Mod Edit]
Hahaha I don't know this is kind of funny.
Pay 15 a month on pupose
Pay in game gold to get cash shop thing but the cash shop things are available in game as well.
Gems don't get gold but they can get gold from players, right now it looks like the prices can't be lowered or raised but that isn't a fact but much more towards that then other.
Cash shop still not finalize
In the end I won't have to spend rl money as those using cash shop things and I could still do better if I want with/without cash shop stuff.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Your first sentence there is a bit off. The entire service is going to be dependant on the cash shop. That much is obvious from these latest revelations. If the cash shop was an after-thought as you seem to be suggesting, most of what we saw wouldn't be there. No it's not P2W IMO, at least thus far, but it is no different than the cash-shops we see in non-P2W F2P's.
This cash shop is obviously set up to supplement the game, in order to fund it and they will most likely adjust the game according to sales in that shop. if they're not getting enough sales don't be surprised when they make changes that ensure more revenue from CS sales.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
If it was entirely and literally dependant they would have not made cash shop stuff be available in game.
Those with not much time on their hands or lazy or really just want to hit 80 or make alts will love the cash shop.
In this case the cash shop helps but then in some funny way we must wonder if it's not stuff you won't really and literally need why sell it?
The money will help from the cash shop of course and help those who don't want to level their alts like the first and etc.
Also why are we comparing just the cash shop, of course it may be no different but the huge difference and yes this is a difference is the games, they built the game so regardless of what's in the cash shop you can get it and if you do you still won't have an advatange due to the game mechanics itself.
If they are selling supply,power items,add in gear grind, make gear dependant, take away level scaling, take away leveled gear, take away the level curve, take away the fact that gear is cosmectic, take away the fact that if you get nice gear at a low level that it doesn't boost your stats because you can't wear it regardless.
Take away skill base mechanics.
People can play and enjoy w/o the cash shop, hell I'd also see if they didn't add no more than two character slots, have bags obtainable, have keys obtainable, and etc.
The lil boosts only last an hour.
If they make cash shop gear leagues more valuable than what's in game.
Update as things come to mind.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
For me it's about the quality of the game and how much impact the cash shop will have on my play style. I doubt maxing out my storage space for each character is going to run to the same cost as paying a sub over a period of some months, if the game has as much longevity as GW did for me then no way will that come anywhere near what it would cost if I'm paying a sub. As long as I can choose to ignore things like random loot bags and xp enhancements etc I'll just get on with enjoying what the game has to offer, which people seem to be losing sight of, it's not some crummy F2P title with poor game mechanics designed to keep you spending and poor graphics with lore that's not developed, nothing we've seen so far suggests anything but a quality game. Look at what you're getting, THINK about what YOU may need to spend and weigh it up from there. If the Forbes article is true, no NDA for post April 10th, we'll be getting plenty of feedback from people who have taken a leap of faith and pre-purchased, I'll be one of them.