The only surprise really is that an NDA exists for an eastern game. Traditionally they don't have an issue showcasing their effort, no matter the stage of development (Aion, Blade & Soul from same developer, Tera, Archeage etc from others). NDA enforcement is a western thing. People have every right to be suspicious.
Personally I'm more worried for TSW. At least with GW2 we know that part of the game works, as showcased to the press. Yes, press can be manipulated, but up to a point.
The only surprise really is that an NDA exists for an eastern game. Traditionally they don't have an issue showcasing their effort, no matter the stage of development (Aion, Blade & Soul from same developer, Tera, Archeage etc from others). NDA enforcement is a western thing. People have every right to be suspicious.
Personally I'm more worried for TSW. At least with GW2 we know that part of the game works, as showcased to the press. Yes, press can be manipulated, but up to a point.
Since when are Arenanet an Eastern company? They're registered and based in the United States. They answer to NCSoft West, also based in the United States. How is GW2 an "eastern game"?
Sub-department of NCsoft. That's not the issue here. I just found weird that they don't follow the same philosophy regarding NDAs.
(Where they are based is irrelevant btw. If a Chinese company opens a subcompany in Europe, the subcompany suddenly becomes European?)(And btw, NCsoft is one of the best developers in the world. If Anet was owned by anyone else, I doubt you'd get the GW2 you're going to get now. Who would give you GW2? Activision? EA? SOE?)
The only surprise really is that an NDA exists for an eastern game. Traditionally they don't have an issue showcasing their effort, no matter the stage of development (Aion, Blade & Soul from same developer, Tera, Archeage etc from others). NDA enforcement is a western thing. People have every right to be suspicious.
Personally I'm more worried for TSW. At least with GW2 we know that part of the game works, as showcased to the press. Yes, press can be manipulated, but up to a point.
Eh well....its kind of a western game actually. Anet is in Washington. NCsoft is a Korean company, but Anet is located in the US.
So Id call it a western game. Which is why the NDA does not suprise me.
NDA means no confidence in the maturitty and the brainmass of the community.
Which in my opinion is a grave danger to any game, so the NDA is a real good tool to protect the things you're still testing inside the beta from being misunderstood by the community and being used as food for the trolls.
Hahaha....and then in pure irony many of the masses turn around and say, " There's an NDA, so they must be hiding a crappy game! ". Trolls will chew on anything they can find I guess.
NDA means no confidence in your product, Cash shop, Bans, Lack of information on a game slated for release so close
How do people actually want this game?
It's gonna bomb harder then swtor
Not a fanboy of any current games =/ sorry haters.
Inc flamers
Do you want to know why there is a NDA on games like GW2? It's because of YOU. Yes. people like you who jump to conclusions, and would just love to get in now and 'expose' all the beta bugs and cash shop try-outs as the real deal, as if it was the actual game on release. Get a clue and a life.
NDA means no confidence in your product, Cash shop, Bans, Lack of information on a game slated for release so close
How do people actually want this game?
It's gonna bomb harder then swtor
Not a fanboy of any current games =/ sorry haters.
Inc flamers
they see me trollin' lalala
i completely agree with this troll, because NDA is such a weird thing and was not used before. we all should stop following/waiting for gw2 now, thank you for opening my (ours?) eyes.
The reason other games like TERA are having betas without NDA is because they arent real betas. The games have already been made elsewhere, they are just being translated to english and made easier for the western market. Which also means that any feedback aside from poor english translations will just fall on deaf ears.
GW2 will have plenty of time before launch with no NDA, the pre-purchase beta is NDA free.
Sub-department of NCsoft. That's not the issue here. I just found weird that they don't follow the same philosophy regarding NDAs.
(Where they are based is irrelevant btw. If a Chinese company opens a subcompany in Europe, the subcompany suddenly becomes European?)(And btw, NCsoft is one of the best developers in the world. If Anet was owned by anyone else, I doubt you'd get the GW2 you're going to get now. Who would give you GW2? Activision? EA? SOE?)
Well there are two things to consider here:
1) Almost all of the employees are from the west. The founder of the studio is from the west. It's a western game.
2) A developer/publisher relationship is a tad more complex than you make it seem. Say Tolkien were to be raised from the dead to write a new book wherein Frodo returns from Valinor to start a detective agency with Dirty Harry. Now say harper collins published it. I wouldn't blame Newscorp for writing such an awful book, nor would I expect Zombie Tolkien to become the new face of media corruption.
That analogy may be a bit convoluted, but oh well.
Sub-department of NCsoft. That's not the issue here. I just found weird that they don't follow the same philosophy regarding NDAs.
(Where they are based is irrelevant btw. If a Chinese company opens a subcompany in Europe, the subcompany suddenly becomes European?)(And btw, NCsoft is one of the best developers in the world. If Anet was owned by anyone else, I doubt you'd get the GW2 you're going to get now. Who would give you GW2? Activision? EA? SOE?)
Well there are two things to consider here:
1) Almost all of the employees are from the west. The founder of the studio is from the west. It's a western game.
2) A developer/publisher relationship is a tad more complex than you make it seem. Say Tolkien were to be raised from the dead to write a new book wherein Frodo returns from Valinor to start a detective agency with Dirty Harry. Now say harper collins published it. I wouldn't blame Newscorp for writing such an awful book, nor would I expect Zombie Tolkien to become the new face of media corruption.
That analogy may be a bit convoluted, but oh well.
2) A developer/publisher relationship is a tad more complex than you make it seem. Say Tolkien were to be raised from the dead to write a new book wherein Frodo returns from Valinor to start a detective agency with Dirty Harry. Now say harper collins published it. I wouldn't blame Newscorp for writing such an awful book, nor would I expect Zombie Tolkien to become the new face of media corruption.
2) A developer/publisher relationship is a tad more complex than you make it seem. Say Tolkien were to be raised from the dead to write a new book wherein Frodo returns from Valinor to start a detective agency with Dirty Harry. Now say harper collins published it. I wouldn't blame Newscorp for writing such an awful book, nor would I expect Zombie Tolkien to become the new face of media corruption.
That analogy may be a bit convoluted, but oh well.
God forbid if the game has loading screens, am I right?
It has.... as has any game, even WoW has loadingscreens when entering dungeons and switching continents.
Um..... sarcasm.... I realize sometimes its hard to understand saracasm over the internet but I felt that this time it should have been pretty obvious.
Its not just having a NDA that would show lack of confidence, all MMOs have them at some point in their testing. It is, rather, how soon before release are they dropped.
Id say a month + before release would show a fair amount of confidence, since information would be freely shared long before the release day.
NDA means no confidence in your product, Cash shop, Bans, Lack of information on a game slated for release so close
How do people actually want this game?
It's gonna bomb harder then swtor
Not a fanboy of any current games =/ sorry haters.
Inc flamers
In this post, you're showing the awareness of a 12 year old child (I've got nothing against children of course) :
- NDA is here to keep the public crowd from expecting something that could be changed at any moment.
- Cash Shop is bound with mechanics that present an actual alternative to subscription. But I forgive you, a child cannot understand how economics work.
- "Lack of information" made me lol : GW2 must have been the most uncovered development of all MMOs. Once again I forgive you, attention and focus over a long period is not children's strongest quality.
- But the greatest indice about your maturity was to include "bans" in your finger pointing. Seeing any figure of authority as something wrong cannot come from an adult.
So you're forgiven, but be careful when you post in public like that.
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It has.... as has any game, even WoW has loadingscreens when entering dungeons and switching continents.
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
The only surprise really is that an NDA exists for an eastern game. Traditionally they don't have an issue showcasing their effort, no matter the stage of development (Aion, Blade & Soul from same developer, Tera, Archeage etc from others). NDA enforcement is a western thing. People have every right to be suspicious.
Personally I'm more worried for TSW. At least with GW2 we know that part of the game works, as showcased to the press. Yes, press can be manipulated, but up to a point.
lol ok.
Silly response for a silly post.
Since when are Arenanet an Eastern company? They're registered and based in the United States. They answer to NCSoft West, also based in the United States. How is GW2 an "eastern game"?
Sub-department of NCsoft. That's not the issue here. I just found weird that they don't follow the same philosophy regarding NDAs.
(Where they are based is irrelevant btw. If a Chinese company opens a subcompany in Europe, the subcompany suddenly becomes European?)(And btw, NCsoft is one of the best developers in the world. If Anet was owned by anyone else, I doubt you'd get the GW2 you're going to get now. Who would give you GW2? Activision? EA? SOE?)
Eh well....its kind of a western game actually. Anet is in Washington. NCsoft is a Korean company, but Anet is located in the US.
So Id call it a western game. Which is why the NDA does not suprise me.
Hahaha....and then in pure irony many of the masses turn around and say, " There's an NDA, so they must be hiding a crappy game! ". Trolls will chew on anything they can find I guess.
NDA is there because they might change some things completely before release.
If there was no NDA people would whine about some items in the cashshop, and then not buy the game because of it.
The items were placeholders, and the final cashshop might have completely different things.
Do you want to know why there is a NDA on games like GW2? It's because of YOU. Yes. people like you who jump to conclusions, and would just love to get in now and 'expose' all the beta bugs and cash shop try-outs as the real deal, as if it was the actual game on release. Get a clue and a life.
My Guild Wars 2 First Beta Weekend "reviewette" : http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4944570/thread/349125#4944570
they see me trollin' lalala
i completely agree with this troll, because NDA is such a weird thing and was not used before. we all should stop following/waiting for gw2 now, thank you for opening my (ours?) eyes.
why u be so wise.
+1. Can I haz moar rainbowzz>>?
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
okay I guess...
"It has potential"
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"It sucks"
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The reason other games like TERA are having betas without NDA is because they arent real betas. The games have already been made elsewhere, they are just being translated to english and made easier for the western market. Which also means that any feedback aside from poor english translations will just fall on deaf ears.
GW2 will have plenty of time before launch with no NDA, the pre-purchase beta is NDA free.
Well there are two things to consider here:
1) Almost all of the employees are from the west. The founder of the studio is from the west. It's a western game.
2) A developer/publisher relationship is a tad more complex than you make it seem. Say Tolkien were to be raised from the dead to write a new book wherein Frodo returns from Valinor to start a detective agency with Dirty Harry. Now say harper collins published it. I wouldn't blame Newscorp for writing such an awful book, nor would I expect Zombie Tolkien to become the new face of media corruption.
That analogy may be a bit convoluted, but oh well.
oh no, rainbows, analogies....what else do we need to feed the trolls? :b
....... *blink blink*
i'd read the pages out of that.
Is it the outline of your new horror-movie?
What is this guild wars two you speak of?
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played:SWG,LotRO,CoH,GW,FF14,ESO,AlbionOnline
Um..... sarcasm.... I realize sometimes its hard to understand saracasm over the internet but I felt that this time it should have been pretty obvious.
Its not just having a NDA that would show lack of confidence, all MMOs have them at some point in their testing. It is, rather, how soon before release are they dropped.
Id say a month + before release would show a fair amount of confidence, since information would be freely shared long before the release day.
Ill have one espresso and 2 banana muffins , please.
In this post, you're showing the awareness of a 12 year old child (I've got nothing against children of course) :
- NDA is here to keep the public crowd from expecting something that could be changed at any moment.
- Cash Shop is bound with mechanics that present an actual alternative to subscription. But I forgive you, a child cannot understand how economics work.
- "Lack of information" made me lol : GW2 must have been the most uncovered development of all MMOs. Once again I forgive you, attention and focus over a long period is not children's strongest quality.
- But the greatest indice about your maturity was to include "bans" in your finger pointing. Seeing any figure of authority as something wrong cannot come from an adult.
So you're forgiven, but be careful when you post in public like that.
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Because having the game available for people to play at public events is a lack of information.
/facepalm
Troll? You fail at the Internet. I'm sorry, but you do. I'm going to have to take away all your Internets, now.