I mean, to you guys over 25-30 : would you really spend the same amount of time explaining things or trying to have a debate with internet users if you knew from the start that they were 13-18 years old ?
Yes! Though I am aiming to become a teacher, so it's not that unusual for me I guess. Also your statement is quite a prejudice. On some games I have already been talking to 13 year olds, who were nice, polite and had no problems discussing interesting topics with me. On the other hand I have 50 year old friends who are acting childish ever so often.
This is a matter of maturity - not of age.
That was spot on to what i was gonna post 0_o
Of course there are exceptions ;-)
But there are also recurring patterns. I wish there weren't, really !
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Some people simply prove by the flow of one said debate that they just don't have the education or the maturity to understand how things work in real life, hence in video game industry. So you spend long posts trying to explain things calmly, with arguments that come with your own experience in the matter, but still the guy doesn't understand and continue to camp on a misguided position.
I mean, to you guys over 25-30 : would you really spend the same amount of time explaining things or trying to have a debate with internet users if you knew from the start that they were 13-18 years old ? Sometimes let's face it, certain degrees of explanations are futile towards youngsters. It's no blame to them, but you can't understand certain things before a certain given age.
(in before some young people taking it as an offense and dramatizing out of proportions)
Hum aren't those that can't accept immaturity the most immature? If you had kids, and actually get to live with them, you would understand it more than you think.
That should never be done. There's too many damn sickos out there. Im not calling this community a bunch of pedophiles but regardless, that kind of policy would make kids the targets of them easily.
On another note, Im a grown adult but Ive had a very young pre teen guild leader in WoW a very long while back, and he was one of the most mature players I had played with.
Yes some kids are kind of dumb. But no less so than some adults. Teenagers do occasionally have the smarts to have an adult conversation no problem. Stupidity does not know age. Nor does it know intelligence.
Originally posted by k-damage Originally posted by bobfish But then there are some nice people in all age groups and we wouldn't want to be stereotyping.
Sure, but the case scenario in the OP is very precise : it's not about completely ignoring kids, it's just about not trying to explain them too hard.
If everyone applied that to everyone gaming could be a more enjoyable experience regardless of age. You got to think of it from a 14 year olds perspective as well. In a gaming world there are very equal grounds that are laid out. Some 31 year old like me has to come to terms that in World of Warcraft, in TERA, in Guild Wars 2 that my previous life experiences matter jack squat while I'm trying to explain to some other human being that whining about nerfing every ability that so happens to cause their toon a quick expiration isn't a good use of their "spare" time.
1. I don't think that's a healthy structure for a child, but I'm pretty certain parents of this generation are going to prove to be the worse thing to happen to humanity since the plague, AIDS, and trans fat all combined. It's our reality tho'.
2. If adults actually acted like adults and set examples it'd not be so bad.
I'm one of the early internet adapters. I was 14, I had 36kbs speeding me through the world and one of the earliest forms of entertainment I found was to jump on a usenet post and randomly bring ire to strangers. We all were those kids once.
So basically if you can't beat'em. Join'em. You should have some ol' In Living Color yo' Mama jokes stored in your LTM. Use'em, enjoy it.
Most importantly quit being this guy:
I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
I really don't think many young people between 13-18 spend a lot of time posting on forums, my son and his friends (19-20 yr olds) never do although they are avid MMORPG players.
Most of the best "debates" come from peers closer to my own age (OK, I realize very few are that old) however stubborn disagreement holds no age barrier.
Truth is, when involved with a debate I no longer care to pursue, I just stop. Sort of a simple solution I realize, but sometimes you just tire of the PVP.
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I'll be honest. I don't like kids because they're annoying and lack logic. But us 20+ year olds suck too. We're at that age where just new adults. I have a friend who is actually older than me and I'd rather argue about religion with five 14-18 year olds than argue about 2+2 with this guy.
There are people who are just goody kids and then there are complete idiots. I just take comfort in knowing that the annoying kids will learn how stupid the things they say were (as we all have learned..man did I spew the stupidest shit...and still do), but I cringe when I think about all the idiots out there who will never learn. The idiots who will never know what stupid scumbags they are. The kids are alright though if you just keep telling yourself they'll learn someday. Don't try to teach them anything, don't tell them how retarded they are for cutting themselves, just move on.
How am I going to convince people that I am 14/F/Korea if I'm obviously a 20-something white slob?
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I place the blame 100% on the parents, if they can't raise a child with some form of integrity the child will only grow with these poor beliefs!
I was out with friends or playing sports as a child, football, rugby, biking, cow tipping.. 90% of my free time.. 10% I spent playing games and to be honest I never went on forums as we didn’t have social networking sites like Facebook or Twitter..
Showing the age of gamers or forum posters will never be a valid option as people lie.. lie lie and lie.
So I only converse with real life friends in games and keep it to that...
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I've met 12 year olds that were more mature than 30 year olds, it's not about age it's about maturity.There are 10 year olds that have been through more shit than a grown man.I see the point you're trying to make though, you don't like idiots, but the fact is that just because someone is an idiot it doesn't mean that they're young.
Oh and, you were a kid once.(people tend to forget that)
I've met really cool 14 yeah olds and childishly annoying 50 year olds in MMOs. Age has nothing to do with maturity. Seems a lot of others have had similar experiences.
I've met 12 year olds that were more mature than 30 year olds, it's not about age it's about maturity.There are 10 year olds that have been through more shit than a grown man.I see the point you're trying to make though, you don't like idiots, but the fact is that just because someone is an idiot it doesn't mean that they're young.
Oh and, you were a kid once.(people tend to forget that)
Ah there you go, I happen to think Corpsegank age 19 has a wise view of these matters. I'm the other side of 40 and learned quite a long time ago age means little. There are people with bad attitudes from all age groups and that's never going to change. As someone posted somewhere above too, you reach a point where you learn it's OK to walk away from conversations with some people even if you know they are talking rubish. He who shouts loudest is not always right they are simply the loudest.
I've met really cool 14 yeah olds and childishly annoying 50 year olds in MMOs. Age has nothing to do with maturity. Seems a lot of others have had similar experiences.
The OP is just another example of stereotyping.
Agreed, what is important here is what you post, not your age, sex or color of nationality.
nah people on the internet haven;t changed at all, there are just more people online.
... and it is becoming more familiar so people believe they can be themselves. The truth is when people are otherwise polite when you meet them irl, that's the performace, that's their mask, what you get on the web by and large is who they really are.
In "real life" I've always been rather shy and I don't know why... but that's me. Back around 1986 I got my first modem which was a 300 baud unit for my C64. When I went "online" I wasn't as shy because I felt isolated from the other people or something along those lines.
I would say in games or places where I interact socially with others.. I am not very different than I am offline.
Here on these forums I am little bit different.. but in the sense I join the debate and get carried away at times. Outside of here I wouldn't bother to debate... just occasionally nod my head as someone else rambles on.
So I do pretty much agree with you on this.
I've seen people do some pretty twisted things online... or at least things that hurt people they claim to care about. I've never been that different online so for me its almost impossible to imagine other people are different in real life. So when I see someone do certain things... I believe they would do exactly that... or at least want to do them.
To the OP in general.. I don't have any need to see someones age. All I want is an account ignore option... and there are a few other things I would like that could be part of that same system. It should be a pretty simple tool and there is no reason I shouldn't be able to have it...
Some people simply prove by the flow of one said debate that they just don't have the education or the maturity to understand how things work in real life, hence in video game industry. So you spend long posts trying to explain things calmly, with arguments that come with your own experience in the matter, but still the guy doesn't understand and continue to camp on a misguided position.
I mean, to you guys over 25-30 : would you really spend the same amount of time explaining things or trying to have a debate with internet users if you knew from the start that they were 13-18 years old ? Sometimes let's face it, certain degrees of explanations are futile towards youngsters. It's no blame to them, but you can't understand certain things before a certain given age.
(in before some young people taking it as an offense and dramatizing out of proportions)
edit : yes guys, there are always exceptions of course. But let's be honest, in general, you can't expect a kid to understand why certain business decisions are made, how for example a complex production chain works, or how new financial mechanics (cash shop ? ^^) could be a better dev support than a sub. etc ...
To be honest, it's not only the age group you've specified that doesn't understand how businesses work and the financials behind business decisions. After several years studying finance and doing two placements one corporate finance and the other investments, I can spot people who don't have a clue about finance from a mile away. And there's a lot of them on these forums.
Other than that I don't see how your idea can be implemented. Everyone can easily make up their age.
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Of course there are exceptions ;-)
But there are also recurring patterns. I wish there weren't, really !
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i am pretty sure people 13-30 all dont like reading a wall of text. maybe you are explaining a little to long and stating things already known.
Age has no relevance to interenet trolls, they come in all shapes and sizes, and age, some of it is worse than what we see here in these forums.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120208/04462317701/bbc-tracks-down-confronts-internet-troll.shtml
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2011/09/14/facebook-troll-sean-duffy-charged-in-connection-with-sick-internet-attack-on-tragic-scottish-double-shooting-victim-86908-23420238/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120296/Poison-Twitter-trolls-Faced-tide-vile-abuse-death-threats-frightened-celebrities-abandoning-website-saw-vehicle-self-promotion.html
Just a couple of examples that shows that even age or identity doesnt stop these vile people.
Hum aren't those that can't accept immaturity the most immature? If you had kids, and actually get to live with them, you would understand it more than you think.
I wish we talked about games instead of 13 year old boys.
That should never be done. There's too many damn sickos out there. Im not calling this community a bunch of pedophiles but regardless, that kind of policy would make kids the targets of them easily.
On another note, Im a grown adult but Ive had a very young pre teen guild leader in WoW a very long while back, and he was one of the most mature players I had played with.
Yes some kids are kind of dumb. But no less so than some adults. Teenagers do occasionally have the smarts to have an adult conversation no problem. Stupidity does not know age. Nor does it know intelligence.
Pedobear certified: No bad can come from that, right?
I've met more immature 18-25 year olds than I have kids in MMOs.
Kids normally are just.. annoying, but they aren't self-entitled, opinionated, offensive and illiterate... like the older bracket.
But then there are some nice people in all age groups and we wouldn't want to be stereotyping.
Sure, but the case scenario in the OP is very precise : it's not about completely ignoring kids, it's just about not trying to explain them too hard.
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If everyone applied that to everyone gaming could be a more enjoyable experience regardless of age.
You got to think of it from a 14 year olds perspective as well. In a gaming world there are very equal grounds that are laid out.
Some 31 year old like me has to come to terms that in World of Warcraft, in TERA, in Guild Wars 2 that my previous life experiences matter jack squat while I'm trying to explain to some other human being that whining about nerfing every ability that so happens to cause their toon a quick expiration isn't a good use of their "spare" time.
1. I don't think that's a healthy structure for a child, but I'm pretty certain parents of this generation are going to prove to be the worse thing to happen to humanity since the plague, AIDS, and trans fat all combined. It's our reality tho'.
2. If adults actually acted like adults and set examples it'd not be so bad.
I'm one of the early internet adapters. I was 14, I had 36kbs speeding me through the world and one of the earliest forms of entertainment I found was to jump on a usenet post and randomly bring ire to strangers. We all were those kids once.
So basically if you can't beat'em. Join'em. You should have some ol' In Living Color yo' Mama jokes stored in your LTM. Use'em, enjoy it.
Most importantly quit being this guy:
I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
In my case would be more like this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR_VhfxAnXU
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I really don't think many young people between 13-18 spend a lot of time posting on forums, my son and his friends (19-20 yr olds) never do although they are avid MMORPG players.
Most of the best "debates" come from peers closer to my own age (OK, I realize very few are that old)
however stubborn disagreement holds no age barrier.
Truth is, when involved with a debate I no longer care to pursue, I just stop. Sort of a simple solution I realize, but sometimes you just tire of the PVP.
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I'll be honest. I don't like kids because they're annoying and lack logic. But us 20+ year olds suck too. We're at that age where just new adults. I have a friend who is actually older than me and I'd rather argue about religion with five 14-18 year olds than argue about 2+2 with this guy.
There are people who are just goody kids and then there are complete idiots. I just take comfort in knowing that the annoying kids will learn how stupid the things they say were (as we all have learned..man did I spew the stupidest shit...and still do), but I cringe when I think about all the idiots out there who will never learn. The idiots who will never know what stupid scumbags they are. The kids are alright though if you just keep telling yourself they'll learn someday. Don't try to teach them anything, don't tell them how retarded they are for cutting themselves, just move on.
Thank you for my Monday morning chuckle.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Bad Parenting + Internet = Kid Troll -Teen Troll - 20's Troll - adult Troll ..
I place the blame 100% on the parents, if they can't raise a child with some form of integrity the child will only grow with these poor beliefs!
I was out with friends or playing sports as a child, football, rugby, biking, cow tipping.. 90% of my free time.. 10% I spent playing games and to be honest I never went on forums as we didn’t have social networking sites like Facebook or Twitter..
Showing the age of gamers or forum posters will never be a valid option as people lie.. lie lie and lie.
So I only converse with real life friends in games and keep it to that...
All hail the Barn Owl! oh.. and the RED SQUIRREL!!!
@OP ;
I've met 12 year olds that were more mature than 30 year olds, it's not about age it's about maturity.There are 10 year olds that have been through more shit than a grown man.I see the point you're trying to make though, you don't like idiots, but the fact is that just because someone is an idiot it doesn't mean that they're young.
Oh and, you were a kid once.(people tend to forget that)
Age has nothing to do with maturity and being smart. Read the post above me. i support this guy.
I know certain someone on these forums who is almsot 40 and would put any 12 years old to shame in lack of maturity.
I've met really cool 14 yeah olds and childishly annoying 50 year olds in MMOs. Age has nothing to do with maturity. Seems a lot of others have had similar experiences.
The OP is just another example of stereotyping.
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Ah there you go, I happen to think Corpsegank age 19 has a wise view of these matters. I'm the other side of 40 and learned quite a long time ago age means little. There are people with bad attitudes from all age groups and that's never going to change. As someone posted somewhere above too, you reach a point where you learn it's OK to walk away from conversations with some people even if you know they are talking rubish. He who shouts loudest is not always right they are simply the loudest.
Good post corpsegank.
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Agreed, what is important here is what you post, not your age, sex or color of nationality.
In "real life" I've always been rather shy and I don't know why... but that's me. Back around 1986 I got my first modem which was a 300 baud unit for my C64. When I went "online" I wasn't as shy because I felt isolated from the other people or something along those lines.
I would say in games or places where I interact socially with others.. I am not very different than I am offline.
Here on these forums I am little bit different.. but in the sense I join the debate and get carried away at times. Outside of here I wouldn't bother to debate... just occasionally nod my head as someone else rambles on.
So I do pretty much agree with you on this.
I've seen people do some pretty twisted things online... or at least things that hurt people they claim to care about. I've never been that different online so for me its almost impossible to imagine other people are different in real life. So when I see someone do certain things... I believe they would do exactly that... or at least want to do them.
To the OP in general.. I don't have any need to see someones age. All I want is an account ignore option... and there are a few other things I would like that could be part of that same system. It should be a pretty simple tool and there is no reason I shouldn't be able to have it...
YOU KIDS AND YOUR WIBBLY WOBBLY DUBSTEPS STEP ON OFF MY LAWN!!!
I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
... This would make Goldshire hookups even more awkward.
Add it.
To be honest, it's not only the age group you've specified that doesn't understand how businesses work and the financials behind business decisions. After several years studying finance and doing two placements one corporate finance and the other investments, I can spot people who don't have a clue about finance from a mile away. And there's a lot of them on these forums.
Other than that I don't see how your idea can be implemented. Everyone can easily make up their age.
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