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I have 3 questions for EVE players(Thinking of purchasing)
Thebigthrill
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Hello Im a mmorpg player in need of a new home.
I quit wow about 3 months ago , played SWTOR and found it horrible.
Eve has always intrigued me but I have a few questions I hope you can answer.
Note* I have looked on the web, youtube and faq for the answers to these questions , if i overlooked the answers my mistake.
Ty for the responces in advance.
1.If I download the eve demo and level up, can I continue my trial character after I purchase the retail version?
2.I see eve now has a character creator. I saw a guy walking around his ship.
My question is ....Do they have space ports, hubs or any place that I can walk around with my character outside of my ship and see other players to interact with?
3.Since im starting new will it take me years to catch up to other players?
Those are my 3 questions thanks for the answers and hope to see you all in game.
"Don't tell me what to do! , you're not my mod"
Saying invented by me.
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1 Yes
2 No
3 You can catch up in particular areas if you specialise.
2 You can walk around with your avatar in a small captain's quarters when docked at a station.
3 If your goal is being skilled in flying every ship you will never catch up. If you focus on frigate/ cruisers it will take a few months to be comparible to others.
It would be a good idea to play the trial a few times just to learn how the game works and tinkering with Evemon to plan what you want to do.
I'm not sure there is anybody that is skilled in flying every ship in the game, while I am sure there are some characters who may be close I don't think there is someone who is 100% at every ship. And even if there were I would bet he's not using 90% of those skills most of the time.
Your questions were answered by previous posters, so I would suggest checking out this link:
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
It is a nice visual representation of what you can do in EVE.
They can adjust a game all day, but they can't help the issue between the keyboard and the chair.
Played: UO, DAoC, AC, WoW, EVE, TR, WAR, Aion, Rift, SWTOR, GW2, TSW, ESO, Elite:D
Play EVE for free for 21 days
The best way to find out if the game is for you is to start a trial and see for yourself. EVE is something that is hard to describe to non-players as it is unlike any other MMO on the market today and it really can only ever be experienced. Its not for everyone but it is definately worth a shot.
That being said ask around on the forums and you can get an extended 21-day trial. If you find someone nice they might even be willing to pay for your first month and turn that 21 day trial into a 50 day one. 50 days (21 even) is more than enough time to decide if this game is for you or not.
If you're looking at EvE as a potential mmo 'home' get into a corp and get friendly. This game works best on a massively social scale, imo.
Don't know if they are still available but you used to could get a 21 day buddy trial from a current player and yes that can be converted to a full account and you keep every thing.
As others have stated you won't be a full on fly everything pilot, that takes years and years of training. But you can quickly become a viable pilot if you choose a path and stick with it. There is a great corp for noobs that helps you learn to play with some great knowledgeable players. I would have never made it without Eve University. You can learn every aspect of the game from them and then stick around and help others learn or move on.
1.If I download the eve demo and level up, can I continue my trial character after I purchase the retail version?
2.I see eve now has a character creator. I saw a guy walking around his ship.
My question is ....Do they have space ports, hubs or any place that I can walk around with my character outside of my ship and see other players to interact with?
3.Since im starting new will it take me years to catch up to other players?
1) Yes, I'm still playing mine.
2) No.
3) Catch up with other players? I guess it depends on what you want to do. Personally, I'm new to the career path. Before, I just did mission running. If I want, I can "catch" up to my brother, who runs level 4 missions. But, I found mission running boring. But, since he only explores about once every other month or so, now he has to "catch" up to me. I've played less than a year. (8 months or so.) He's played for years.
If you mean "catch" up in reference to competing in PVP, I believe you can join a good Null Sec corp and they can have you well on your way in a relatively short amount of time.
It's not about fighting, it's about balance. It's not about enlightenment, it's about balance. It's not about balance.
There's nothing I can add to the thread other than not being able to catch up older players is a missconception and the bigger isn't the better. I for one like to fly faster ships like frigates and cruisers rather than the bigger ones.
1) Yes, although there is no such thing as leveling up.
2) Nope, currently just a room by yourself, this is why loads of people got very angry...also most people I know have it turned off.
3) Again as other people say catching up with vets is not an issue, there are many ways you can catch up.
- Money - Many people make Billions easy, the multi trillion of alliances you'll have to work hard getting
- Skill - Not worth worrying about this, most people only use BC really, think of other as aspirational points. I can fly carriers (2004 character = couple of years break) but never had a desire to fly them. Also if you could use everything from the bat or after a week as in wow you would get bored very quickly.
- Experience - This you won't have and will be hard to catch up, remember scamming and griefing (being killed where it is semi safe) is part of EVE. Remember never EVER fly anything you can't afford to replace a couple of times unless you are someone who doesn't mind working from the bottom up again. I know some people who see it as a challenge whereas others will emo quit and never come back.
Since others have answered the questions you asked, I will add.:
Try to avoid quitting in frustration after the first hour. There is a rookie help channel, it is busy but make sure to ask questions anyway when you get stuck on something, (Because you will get stuck on something) The begining tutorial quests are far better than they used to be, but you have to read them and even then, there are so many menus and things that you can do in the game, that there can be a bit of a learning curve. So, ask, ask, ask.
Once you get the hang of the game it is much more enjoyable and you will probably know after a couple weeks if the game is for you. This game isn't for everyone but it has so many ways to play it that if you don't like what you are doing there is always something else to do in the game.
1. yes you will be able to continue. Some high skills like contracting are locked to trial. But you wont need them right away.
2. Yes, you can walk around in the space stations and interact with all your menu via a private captains hub.
In the future they plan multi interaction.
3. Yes it will take you years, bedcause they have been playing years. But it will not stop you having fun or taking part. I started about 4 1/2 months ago, annd I have felt no hinderence.
4 + Dust 514 is out soon
'Catching up' in EVE really isn't that important because progression is not linear the way it is in other MMOs. EVE is also a game where all ship sizes play an important role in combat.
3.Since im starting new will it take me years to catch up to other players?
I've got 140 million skillpoints (been playing for 9 years).
I am totally maxed out for PvE, but I got bored of PvE !! xD
So I'm doing planetary interaction now, and I'm a noob at it - I'm sure you could compete with me quite easily in no time!
But I don't care about people being better than me in certain areas. I still enjoy it.
Reality is just to get your base skills maxxed will take a very long time so while people can say oh you can be competing with a vet in a few months in frigs, cruisers etc etc its a bit dishonest. Once your base skills are maxxed and you specialize in say frigates and get all the frigate skills, advanced frigate skills, small guns etc to max then you will be equal to a vet in frigates, but thats gonna take a long time.
The truth is for people like me that started in 2003, you will never catch up, end of story.
It is not dishonest, you base your argument on false premise that "vets" have all those skills maxed and that you need those skills maxed yourself.
Sure, there are some people who have those skills maxed but in daily PVP activity, you will find only a few of those and even then it makes little to no difference, especially in group fights, anyway.
You do not start with "Reality is.." and then follow with theory crafting of someone who has never played the game ever before. That does not make very good impression...
I don't know any EvE vets who don't have their base skills maxxed out. Apart from many being a requirement (L5) for more advanced ships / modules and tight fitting requirements they also provide large bonuses (5%+)in comparison to later skills (2%).
there is a lot of misconception about what occurs in Eve, and the so called 'catch up' that is alluded to, which in reality is more in terms of player ability than skills you have to train for.. its true training level V skills takes a long time.. which.. is probably why so many only train to level III or IV.. and compete well in those terms at least, because.. in PVP at least, who has the most skill points isnt the factor that determines the outcome.. player ability counts for so much and that is the hardest thing to 'quantify' though obviously players with lots of experience will have an advantage, if only because reacting faster and with confidence is probably the most effective thing you can do in PVP in Eve.. and .. Battleship vs Cruiser pvp in Eve.. its surprising how often the cruisers win.. but then, Cruiser combat is my own preference when it comes to PVP anyway.. doesnt exactly take long to train for that either.. the hardest part of the game imo, has always been the learning to play the game bit, player knowledge counts for a hell of a lot more in Eve than it probably does in other games.. especially FC's, good ones are such a rare beastie that Corps will often treat them as a valued asset.. which they are.
Of course we max those skills out. The extra little bonuses are nice, and what else are you going to do with those SP. Plus there's a certain feeling of pride in seeing that nice neat row of maxed skills.
But the advantage isn't insurmountable. If I'm flying a fully-T2 fit Hurricane with all support skills at V, while you're a 1-month noob with only meta guns and T1 drones on yours, you can trivially beat the hell out of me if you happen to have an equally noob friend in a Blackbird with you. Or a noob friend in a Caracal with a couple of T1 tracking disruputors. Or a noob friend in just another cheap meta fit 'cane.
Examples abound of low-skilled characters completely owning high-SP guys in fancy ships. Compare to something like WoW where no matter what tactics, class, build and equipment you and your fellow level 10 noob friend have, you've not going to be able to so much as muss my level 80 hairdo.
So yes indeed those core skill bonuses are nice to have, but the plan fact is you can usually get 96% of the ability for ~20% of the skillpoints. Getting those skills to level 5 is "polish", not "necessity".
Give me liberty or give me lasers
Yeah I don't disagree with you on that. He said catch up though, not be useful.
That's actually not true. You'll never catch up skillwise, but yes, you can be viable in a very short time. But like others pointed out, more doesn't always mean better.
Weath wise? Playing longer, whether that be measured in hours per day or the age of your account, has zero bearing on the amount of money you can make. At no point do you need to have played for X amount of years to be able to monopolize on the market. Not even being able to run higher level missions guarantees you more money, when you could easily lose a large chunk of your ISK replacing something you lost.
Then you've got plex trading. Anyone willing to buy a timecard can sell it on the market and make a handful of ISK with no effort.
A better understanding of economics and the market will make you more money then someone who's played longer then you.
I know at least one guy who's put considerably more time into EVE that has much less wealth then I do, but then I've never given over a billion ISK plus all of my personal assets to anyone in order to join a corp. I get the funniest mail in EVE sometimes.
But the point is that you can catch up: skills are capped at level 5; there are a finite number of skills you can apply in any given ship or situation. Ergo you can be "perfect" in this ship or that and that's as good as you can get.
The only thing you may not be able to catch up up is the total number of skillpoints, which is in and of itself, meaningless. People are so used to level-based characters in MMOs that they unconsciously assume that EVE works the same way, as if 1M SP = level 1, 2M SP = level 2, ... 80M SP = level 80. But EVE totally doesn't work that way. You don't get even the smallest bonus for total number of SP (in fact you get a penalty as your clone costs go up exponentially), only for the actual skills you have that actually apply.
The big advantage a high SP character has is generally versatility; it's not that I with 90M SP will be all that much better in the ship of choice of a 20M SP guy, but I will definitely have a much wider range of ships I can chose from.
Yet once I've undocked, I'm stuck in whatever ship I've chosen, and I'm not better in that than any 20M SP guy in a similar one.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
PS A good analogy would be to imagine an ordinary fantasy MMO that allowed an unlimited number of alts per account, and rated your account on the total number of xp or levels all the characters had on it. So a 5 year player might have a level 80 Paladin, Necromancer, Shaman, Assassin, etc etc - let's say he has 800 levels. A 6 month player might have maybe a level 80 Paladon and he's working on his level 10 Shaman. He only has 90 levels.
But the newbie "level 90" guy's Paladin is just as good as the "level 800" guy's Paladin.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
yeah I know how it works. AS a gallante blaster nut my favorite ship for solo pvp is a buffer tanked cloaky blaster proteus. I have level 5 in every skill the proteus uses including the ship itself (never died in it its unbeatable if flown right), implants boosters, guns. Now been a while since I played but if I remember correctly itd take at least a year to get to where I am with proteus?In comparison I could get max level in wow and a full set of best gear in no time at all.