GvG in the original guild wars was just another form of 8v8. Just because it had the term "guild vs guild" doesn't make it different than team vs team much like heroes ascent was.
GW2 is giving actual guilds the opprtunity to go large scale and compete with other guilds. Wtf is all this idiocy coming from?
Edit: To add in a little more. Yes there is GvG, it's just what you make of it. If there is something to miss, it's all the awesome maps and gamestyles the original game had. But saying there's no gvg is horse shit.
Not the same as "same server" GvG you cant even see your opponents names in WvW nor can you battle it out to be the dominent guild on your server...
Due to queuing the WvW will become more of a casual thing as entire guilds wont be able to join at once its possible 8 may not be able to join at times and im just saying it will eventually become a sticking point with competitive bored guilds...
GvG in the original guild wars was just another form of 8v8. Just because it had the term "guild vs guild" doesn't make it different than team vs team much like heroes ascent was.
GW2 is giving actual guilds the opprtunity to go large scale and compete with other guilds. Wtf is all this idiocy coming from?
So, guilds can compete in large scale PvP, but can't declare war or challenge other guilds directly? In a game called Guild Wars?
I played Star Wars and didn't have to fight one single star.
True, but you participated in a war among the stars, still works!
Not the same as "same server" GvG you cant even see your opponents names in WvW nor can you battle it out to be the dominent guild on your server...
Just saying it will eventually become a sticking point with guilds...
Yeah, I can see that, and won't disagree. I played tons of DAoC, tons of GW...for me this is a new game and I'm excited for the idea of them wanting to branch into e-sports. But I realize other people's concerns.
I agree, I don't know whats with game companies now days. They release games and leave out features that made the previous game great. I see no reason why they would remove HoH and GvG. They basically were the best part of gw1. I had so much fun doing those things.
WvWvW and the new systems are cool but... better than GvG and HoH? no way. I loved the feel of having a set group of players battle it out for rankings. It leaves out the competitive team feel that gw1 had for sure, and I really hope they add these modes soon after release.
If something is not broke, don't fix it. Sure adding new modes is cool, but removing the modes that kept the game alive so long? doesn't make much sense to me at all.
Yeah, wierd that they would leave it out, especially when GvG was really just PvP in your guild hall map in GW1. I would assume since there's no guild hall it'll be later. Cut out the GvG and add a cash shop, hmm... It must almost be "Ready" though.
"Guild Wars" refers to a period in time when lore "guilds" fought each other iirc.
Its about lore, not a mechanic of the game.
Haha yah lets just make stuff up... haha, you do know that the Pve portion was tagged on the end of GW1 after they finished the pvp content, the original design had no pve at all..
"The Guild Wars are the series of at least three wars among different guilds in the three human kingdoms of Ascalon, Kryta, and Orr. The wars ended only because the charr invasion from the north meant an even bigger threat to the three kingdoms."
Nothing is being made up. It's also very easily found on the wiki, just the tiniest bit of research would have saved you a bit of foot-in-mouth there.
As for GvG, Anet stated that was a design decision. Remember, this time around Guilds are more like social networks, and you can and probably will end up being in several different guilds at the same time. For those that feel like they just HAVE to have GvG, you create a structured PvP queue with you and the people you want to go in, the other group does the same, and you have your GvG even if it isn't officially sanctioned as one.
I am good with it, as I am going to prefer WvWvW, and would rather resoucres be used elsewhere, I would be fine if they ditched the Arena stuff, not gonna happen, but it isn't gonna bother me....I would play a fps, over arena stuff.
Everyon here thinks WvW isn't as good as GvG mainly because you all haven't tried it. of course it's not going to be as good, you don't have all the good memories of WvW that you do of GvG... not yet anyway
Side note.. because Guild Wars 2 is so different (as far as gameplay and persistant world ect) I always thought they should have changed the name to Tyria or something else so people don't think Guild Wars 2 is going to be all instanced with no jumping ect
Your guilds will indeed be invited to war. However, instead of a small group doing skirmishes, these are all the guild of your server invited to work together against the guilds of two others in the massive four WvW maps. Your guilds will have structures to capture, claim, fortify and defend. A guild will only be able to claim one structure at a time, so it's necessary for multiple guilds to be working together to claim all you hold.
Guild Wars 2 is putting the guild wars back into the game. You may be losing a ten minute skirmish, but you're gaining a two-week at a time war.
did i miss the gw2 memo where arenanet tossed out tournements?
No, that'll be a part of the competitive PvP.
i thought so. then why do people keep saying there isn't going to be any gvg. unless they are trying to paint some other picture for it. sure, gvg in gw2 is not going to be the same as in the first gw, but still a far cry away from anything experienced in non-guild wars games.
did i miss the gw2 memo where arenanet tossed out tournements?
No, that'll be a part of the competitive PvP.
i thought so. then why do people keep saying there isn't going to be any gvg. unless they are trying to paint some other picture for it. sure, gvg in gw2 is not going to be the same as in the first gw, but still a far cry away from anything experienced in non-guild wars games.
Nothing more than an attempt to denigrate the game. Not sure of the motives, but there are those with the need to do so. ANet is planning, last I heard, of running massive tournaments for cash prizes IIRC, adding an eSport element to the game. Should be fun to at least watch.
I like what I've seen of this game and even pre-purchased it. Great.
I understand the Battleground and WvWvW PvP. Terrific.
Why on earth would "Guild Wars 2" eliminate "Guild Wars" from its game?
Thank goodness I have TERA to play for open world & GvG; so frankly, not a big deal. I'm just shocked and hope they add this in an expansion.
Any one have some rational idea why a core aspect of any PvP-Centric game is missing?
Cheers -CC
I think they will add it in. If I'm not not mistaken I believe they said that they were trying to add it in but if it were to happen it would be post release. Tbh I don't care much there will be competitive PvP and large guilds will probably get their fill with WvW.
Besides Open world persistant objective based 3 faction PvP, why would we care about anything else?
I like what I've seen of this game and even pre-purchased it. Great.
I understand the Battleground and WvWvW PvP. Terrific.
Why on earth would "Guild Wars 2" eliminate "Guild Wars" from its game?
Thank goodness I have TERA to play for open world & GvG; so frankly, not a big deal. I'm just shocked and hope they add this in an expansion.
Any one have some rational idea why a core aspect of any PvP-Centric game is missing?
Cheers -CC
That's a misconception caused by the fact that ArenaNet isn't cutting corners on the quality of the PvP experience. However, there is still going to be a metric ass-ton more PvE content available than PvP. Even so, I don't think it's particularly accurate to claim the game is centric to one play style or another. It does both well and skimps on neither.
did i miss the gw2 memo where arenanet tossed out tournements?
No, that'll be a part of the competitive PvP.
i thought so. then why do people keep saying there isn't going to be any gvg. unless they are trying to paint some other picture for it. sure, gvg in gw2 is not going to be the same as in the first gw, but still a far cry away from anything experienced in non-guild wars games.
Because there isn't going to be any GvG. What you have is a bunch of rabid GW2 fanboys that don't know anything about GW and what made it great trying to paint some other picture. What you have are some disappointed GW1 players that want to know what happened to structured pvp and asking legitimate questions. Those questions are being answered by Positivists that don't know what they're talking about but are spinning their usual tripe.
I would think putting a formal guild v guild format into a game where a person can join multiple guilds would encourage more competitive guilds to restrict the guilds there members would join. Thus defeating the purpose of allowing people to join multiple guilds.
Yup, its true many of the great things from gw1 have been left out, esp when pvp is concerned :
No guild halls
No Observer mode
No GvG ladder
No ELO/rank system
No Hall of Heros
No Team Arena
more and more...
Now we dont know if this is due to release pressure or if they have been scrapped to make way for Anets vision of GW2, but its a real shame many of the things that made PvP great in GW1 have gone, lets hope they bring things back later, if the community calls for it .
It's disappointing A-Net hasn't brought back some of these features, especially since they said they wanted GW2 to be an e-sport.
Thank you for all the replies. I've learned some stuff.
It would be a mistake to dismiss the OP or other responses as some childish attempt to bash the game. It's any thing but that. It's true, I have not experienced the WvWvW so we'll see; which is why I've pre-purchased it. What I've seen so far based upon videos and other information has me looking forward to the game. I also have 15 years of mmo experience since that wonderful September day when UO released in 97 and can hardly be faulted for having a soft spot for old fashioned GvG and open world PvP.
Like I said, fortunately I'll be playing Tera too which has those things so I'm not worried about it. Look forward to experiencing GW2 first-hand.
Cheers -CC
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Not the same as "same server" GvG you cant even see your opponents names in WvW nor can you battle it out to be the dominent guild on your server...
Due to queuing the WvW will become more of a casual thing as entire guilds wont be able to join at once its possible 8 may not be able to join at times and im just saying it will eventually become a sticking point with competitive bored guilds...
Playing GW2..
True, but you participated in a war among the stars, still works!
Yeah, I can see that, and won't disagree. I played tons of DAoC, tons of GW...for me this is a new game and I'm excited for the idea of them wanting to branch into e-sports. But I realize other people's concerns.
I agree, I don't know whats with game companies now days. They release games and leave out features that made the previous game great. I see no reason why they would remove HoH and GvG. They basically were the best part of gw1. I had so much fun doing those things.
WvWvW and the new systems are cool but... better than GvG and HoH? no way. I loved the feel of having a set group of players battle it out for rankings. It leaves out the competitive team feel that gw1 had for sure, and I really hope they add these modes soon after release.
If something is not broke, don't fix it. Sure adding new modes is cool, but removing the modes that kept the game alive so long? doesn't make much sense to me at all.
Yeah, wierd that they would leave it out, especially when GvG was really just PvP in your guild hall map in GW1. I would assume since there's no guild hall it'll be later. Cut out the GvG and add a cash shop, hmm... It must almost be "Ready" though.
They kinda made it into Guild'S v. Guild'S
Notice my S's? WvW is kinda changing it a bit, imo, but i think they might add gvg later on or at release idk
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Guild_Wars
"The Guild Wars are the series of at least three wars among different guilds in the three human kingdoms of Ascalon, Kryta, and Orr. The wars ended only because the charr invasion from the north meant an even bigger threat to the three kingdoms."
Nothing is being made up. It's also very easily found on the wiki, just the tiniest bit of research would have saved you a bit of foot-in-mouth there.
As for GvG, Anet stated that was a design decision. Remember, this time around Guilds are more like social networks, and you can and probably will end up being in several different guilds at the same time. For those that feel like they just HAVE to have GvG, you create a structured PvP queue with you and the people you want to go in, the other group does the same, and you have your GvG even if it isn't officially sanctioned as one.
http://lorehound.com/news/more-guild-wars-2-pvp-talk-no-gvg-re-confirmed/
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Non-Persistant Realm Wars 2 didn't have the same ring to it.
I think if enough people ask for it, they'll consider adding it. But they gave us WvW, guilds are meant to participate.
WvWvW > GvG?
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"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
Actually, the game is persistant.
But yea, I think they used the "Guild Wars" name to indicate the lore and the setting as opposed to actual description of the gameplay.
I am good with it, as I am going to prefer WvWvW, and would rather resoucres be used elsewhere, I would be fine if they ditched the Arena stuff, not gonna happen, but it isn't gonna bother me....I would play a fps, over arena stuff.
Everyon here thinks WvW isn't as good as GvG mainly because you all haven't tried it. of course it's not going to be as good, you don't have all the good memories of WvW that you do of GvG... not yet anyway
Side note.. because Guild Wars 2 is so different (as far as gameplay and persistant world ect) I always thought they should have changed the name to Tyria or something else so people don't think Guild Wars 2 is going to be all instanced with no jumping ect
Aww, don't remind me!!
Your guilds will indeed be invited to war. However, instead of a small group doing skirmishes, these are all the guild of your server invited to work together against the guilds of two others in the massive four WvW maps. Your guilds will have structures to capture, claim, fortify and defend. A guild will only be able to claim one structure at a time, so it's necessary for multiple guilds to be working together to claim all you hold.
Guild Wars 2 is putting the guild wars back into the game. You may be losing a ten minute skirmish, but you're gaining a two-week at a time war.
Oderint, dum metuant.
did i miss the gw2 memo where arenanet tossed out tournements?
No, that'll be a part of the competitive PvP.
Oderint, dum metuant.
i thought so. then why do people keep saying there isn't going to be any gvg. unless they are trying to paint some other picture for it. sure, gvg in gw2 is not going to be the same as in the first gw, but still a far cry away from anything experienced in non-guild wars games.
Nothing more than an attempt to denigrate the game. Not sure of the motives, but there are those with the need to do so. ANet is planning, last I heard, of running massive tournaments for cash prizes IIRC, adding an eSport element to the game. Should be fun to at least watch.
Oderint, dum metuant.
Well, technically, there is GW in GW, if you fight with your guild in W v.
I think they will add it in. If I'm not not mistaken I believe they said that they were trying to add it in but if it were to happen it would be post release. Tbh I don't care much there will be competitive PvP and large guilds will probably get their fill with WvW.
Besides Open world persistant objective based 3 faction PvP, why would we care about anything else?
That's a misconception caused by the fact that ArenaNet isn't cutting corners on the quality of the PvP experience. However, there is still going to be a metric ass-ton more PvE content available than PvP. Even so, I don't think it's particularly accurate to claim the game is centric to one play style or another. It does both well and skimps on neither.
I would think putting a formal guild v guild format into a game where a person can join multiple guilds would encourage more competitive guilds to restrict the guilds there members would join. Thus defeating the purpose of allowing people to join multiple guilds.
It's disappointing A-Net hasn't brought back some of these features, especially since they said they wanted GW2 to be an e-sport.
Thank you for all the replies. I've learned some stuff.
It would be a mistake to dismiss the OP or other responses as some childish attempt to bash the game. It's any thing but that. It's true, I have not experienced the WvWvW so we'll see; which is why I've pre-purchased it. What I've seen so far based upon videos and other information has me looking forward to the game. I also have 15 years of mmo experience since that wonderful September day when UO released in 97 and can hardly be faulted for having a soft spot for old fashioned GvG and open world PvP.
Like I said, fortunately I'll be playing Tera too which has those things so I'm not worried about it. Look forward to experiencing GW2 first-hand.
Cheers -CC
"Lately it occurs to me,
what a long, strange trip it's been". -Hunter