I believe I said they would change their initial moronic idea and then pat themselves on the back for "listening to the customers".
They did the same with the grace period/no grace period/now we will have a grace period crap at launch also.
I predict further moronic ideas from Bioware then retracted as "listening" , seems that just can't not make the initial stupid decision , that would be too professional I guess.
This just poped up on my facebook from the official forums. Not sure if anybody posted it yet, if so mods delete at will.
People who either re-rolled on more busy servers or slow paced players are still screwed. Oh well yeah they can have no life for the whole next week and hit the mark.
Yup! Time for people to zoom to end game within a week, and then quit shortly afterwards.
They still should have granted the 30 days to those who have subbed constantly from the start, or stay subbed for at least 90 days solid, then that would encourage people to quit (unsub) less
Sorry folks but if you have been playing since launch (Middle of December for those of us that preorderd), that is 4 months of playtime to get to 50.
Anyone who played the game knew Legacy did not even unlock til after Act 2, which is completed in the high 30s range. It again was completely illogical to play alts before you got your main to Act 2 (high 30s) or you were wasting potential legacy xp. At that point, there are only 10 more levels til you finish your storyline and get to 50. Anyone who put a single strip of thought into the future has a level 50. No excuses for those that are behind the curve when it comes to cognitive thinking. Blame your parents or your DNA, not bioware.
I played my first character exclusively to 33 or so to finish chapter one and unlock Legacy (high 30s to do that? I don't think so), that took me about 3 weeks; I then let my alt-itis kick in at that point - I have several characters and no main, its how I play MMOs.
I have characters that I PuG with, another that exclusively teams with my wife so I don't outlevel her, others that I play with other friends that I like to keep touch with but don't want to outlevel, another that I play almost exclusively solo that I jump on when I can't guarantee I won't need to leave a team at no notice. My highest character is currently 47, I have 3 others in the 30s and a few 20s, all of which were earning legacy xp thank you (yes, I easily qualify for the new 'you need legacy level 6' rule).
We don't all jump into the first character choice and play all the way to the end, especially when all we see on the forums are people complaining about how terrible the post 50 game is.
The lack of empathy some people have for other people is just astonishing. Should I blame your parents?
Yeah but it also might be intended as a preemptive strike to tempt some more people to stay, looking at the imminent releases of D3, GW2 and TSW.
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MMO's are looking at retention rates.
After initial release,they get a number. Out of X players who try, Y players stay playing. So if 1000 try it, lets say only 300 stay. So games are throwing out promotionals. Using the preceding example, if they wanted 1000 players, they'd put out a promotional that would draw 3000 or so in (meaning 1000 or so would stay).
I think this is exactly what rift has done, and I believe it is what has stabilized their population.
Expect more of this. You think WoW is free up to lvl 20 for no reason?
I believe I said they would change their initial moronic idea and then pat themselves on the back for "listening to the customers".
They did the same with the grace period/no grace period/now we will have a grace period crap at launch also.
I predict further moronic ideas from Bioware then retracted as "listening" , seems that just can't not make the initial stupid decision , that would be too professional I guess.
They seem to have taken lessons from SOE - They are notorious for this too!
Latest thing - Prosiben - SOE "When deal goes through, US players willl only be able to play on US servers, and EU players will only be able to play on EU servers; Players "Nooooooooooo!"; SOE "Ok we listened you can now go play on any server you like!". Players "Yay! SOE the Heroes!" But EU will still have to pay 3 subs for EQ1, EQ2 and Vanguard, when only needed one sub currently, unless they change their mind again, but are being silent atm
People who either re-rolled on more busy servers or slow paced players are still screwed. Oh well yeah they can have no life for the whole next week and hit the mark.
This is just embarrassing. It looks like one of two things: either they cannot figure out something as simple as reward all your customers who have stayed paid-up subscribers the whole time (and keep screwing it up by making it more and more complex than it needs to be), or they are nakedly trying to pad their sub numbers before the earnings report and don't really give a crap about their subscribers (throwing a token bone here to silence the outrage). Neither puts them in a positive light.
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Maybe if they refunded me the $150 I wasted on the collector's edition, that would be the only way I ever play this piece of shit again.
This is wrong my thread gets edit by a moderator for saying " swtor is a trash of a game." This member may not had said it out right, but it's basically the same implication.
They still should have granted the 30 days to those who have subbed constantly from the start, or stay subbed for at least 90 days solid, then that would encourage people to quit (unsub) less
Thats far to logical and simple for BioEA.
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
Rift isn't a massive sucess in the order of millions but a mere 2 of it's 16 NA shards are marked as low with 1 high and the rest normal. WoW has god knows how many servers and it has upwards of 40 on high at this moment and the vast majority on normal with low rounding off the rest. SWTOR and it's hundred or so NA shards has 33 on low. Yes, about 1/3 of SWTOR servers are low at 8pm 4/13/2012 with less than 3% of the remaining servers on high.
If WoW gave away free month to all players who beat their latest raid you wouldn't question it as a desperate act really considering their server population trends or even Rift, while not on the same scale as WoW or SWTOR is doing perfectly fine with a healthy community on the vast majority of its shards. But giving away a free month targeted at players that are finished with all of your games content when 1/3 of your servers are empty, looks like a cry for help.
Undoubtibly there are people extremely happy with SWTOR and believe it to be a solid game and love it to death. At least try to see the other side and ask yourself "what if" because what if this free month really is a cry for help and what if your favor game is tanking while you ignore all the warning signs?
Currently WoW servers 55 out of 236 servers are low (23%)
Currentl on SWtOR 29 out of 123 servers are low (23.5%)
Yeah but it also might be intended as a preemptive strike to tempt some more people to stay, looking at the imminent releases of D3, GW2 and TSW.
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MMO's are looking at retention rates.
After initial release,they get a number. Out of X players who try, Y players stay playing. So if 1000 try it, lets say only 300 stay. So games are throwing out promotionals. Using the preceding example, if they wanted 1000 players, they'd put out a promotional that would draw 3000 or so in (meaning 1000 or so would stay).
I think this is exactly what rift has done, and I believe it is what has stabilized their population.
Expect more of this. You think WoW is free up to lvl 20 for no reason?
and you think comparing a 4 month old game to a 9 year old game is biofandrome for no reason. LOL
"As a thanks for being one of our most valued players."
Apparently, players with a level 50 character are more valuable than players that do not have a level 50 character.
Of course we are! ^^ Those of us with level 50's would typically be the ones most likely to come back to see new content. Or we would be, in just about any other game. This is one of the first games that I've reached cap in, that I really have little interest in going back. Given that I have NINE level 85's in WoW (yes, I'm quite insane...^^) thats saying something.
Guys, cut them some slack. I mean, really, I agree with most that some fundamental things in the SWTOR design went wrong. But just please stop making a fool out of yourself, by blowing small issues out of proportion. A 30 days free "returner" sub is a normal marketing method after a big patch and no sign for doom and gloom. A big patch can have some issues, all MMO had that from time to time, and a 8 hours downtime can happen.
There is enough to critizise here, but a delayed patch feature, a few hours downtime or some free play time certainly are NOT. Let's try to be rational and fair with our critique.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Well Bioware is the only company that cares about their player base I see. This is a gift to those that have stayed loyal and understood what the legacy system was all about.People who didnt level atleast one toon from 50 that have been playing from launch are quite simply, out of touch. The whole premise behind legacy system was revealed some time ago and it was only logical to get a toon to 50 before its arrival. I sense that Bioware is doing this as a good gesture for those that have stuck with the game, and also as an apology for delaying ranked warzones.
You would never see Anet (wiuth questionable items in their cash shop already), Blizzard, Funcom, or any of the other big players do something so generous as give a whole month of revenue away. This is also something a failing game could not possibly do, as it would put them even more below the red.
Truly an amazing day to be a fan of bioware! They are quickly becoming my favorite company. I can't believe people are trying to twist this as a negative! Absolutely sad how far the haters will go. Bioware could do everything right from this point forward and they would STILL rant and rave their hatred upon this board.
Well, back to this amazing game with me! Cya later haters lol!
You mean the people who did exactly what Bioware kept encouraging them to do by rolling alts and playing them?
Wrong again sharpshooter. Bioware encouraged alts after completing the story of your m ain. IE getting to 50. The cost of legacy mode has been known for over a month at this point. Anyone who is able to think rationally would have been able to figure out that to fully enjoy the benefits, you need a lvl 50.
Encouraging alts after you beat your main toons storyline is what Bioware has been doing. Your awful spin does not match with reality son.
I completed my main's story at L48. I didn't grind the last two levels because it was so colossally boring and there was no point.
I admit i was kinda gobsmacked when i read this perhaps 10 minutes ago. As long as your account has never been banned, you bought the game, have one level 50 and have paid a months sub at some point you're getting 30 days free added to your account as long as it's currently active. People who have no game time left can come back for 7 days.
I'd already unsubbed and only have a few days left on mine but i won't snort at a month free.
Edit - oh and a free tauntaun pet for those who like that kinda thing.
God I love it when I am right. I guess my "crystal ball" was on the money. Tried telling these people that this game was nothing more than a 90 day'er.
add another free 30 days and those people will just burn through any content patch in 2 weeks and then be left in the same boat.
One day these so called MMO devs might learn that you can not make mmo's like a single player game and expect people to sub for any length of time. When you make it like a single player game, its going to be played like a single player game, a month or 2 maybe 3, then its shelved.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
Expect more of this. You think WoW is free up to lvl 20 for no reason?
You're absolutely correct. As soon as Blizzard stopped caring about quality, they had to resort to gimmicks for retention. Same thing in SWTOR's case, except the quality shows right out of the gate.
For just active players? Would think if they are trying to desperately hold people they would do all previous 50s as well to draw them back in... oh well.
Guys, cut them some slack. I mean, really, I agree with most that some fundamental things in the SWTOR design went wrong. But just please stop making a fool out of yourself, by blowing small issues out of proportion. A 30 days free "returner" sub is a normal marketing method after a big patch and no sign for doom and gloom. A big patch can have some issues, all MMO had that from time to time, and a 8 hours downtime can happen.
There is enough to critizise here, but a delayed patch feature, a few hours downtime or some free play time certainly are NOT. Let's try to be rational and fair with our critique.
No , a 30 days free for a certain subset of your paying customers but not the others is not a "normal" marketing method at all.
Offering those who have left free time to come back yes , but offering those already paying free time for having a certain level but nothing for the others is a moronic idea from a PR standpoint and they deserve the criticism they got initially , and now for claiming to "listen".
For just active players? Would think if they are trying to desperately hold people they would do all previous 50s as well to draw them back in... oh well.
duh exactly
That is why they are not desperate, and all this doom and gloom are coming from the 1 percenters who come to this board to troll.
Guys, cut them some slack. I mean, really, I agree with most that some fundamental things in the SWTOR design went wrong. But just please stop making a fool out of yourself, by blowing small issues out of proportion. A 30 days free "returner" sub is a normal marketing method after a big patch and no sign for doom and gloom. A big patch can have some issues, all MMO had that from time to time, and a 8 hours downtime can happen.
There is enough to critizise here, but a delayed patch feature, a few hours downtime or some free play time certainly are NOT. Let's try to be rational and fair with our critique.
a) I never got anything like this in any MMO i played, and i played a lot of them
b) this is not "returner" promotion its for people with ACTIVE sub running
c) alongside this they have actual 7 days RETURNER promotion which IS common and i get a handful of them in my inbox from various MMOs i played over the years
d) this is not promotion for those that already gave up on game, its very desperate move to try to keep those that still play until they fix the game.
Guys, cut them some slack. I mean, really, I agree with most that some fundamental things in the SWTOR design went wrong. But just please stop making a fool out of yourself, by blowing small issues out of proportion. A 30 days free "returner" sub is a normal marketing method after a big patch and no sign for doom and gloom. A big patch can have some issues, all MMO had that from time to time, and a 8 hours downtime can happen.
There is enough to critizise here, but a delayed patch feature, a few hours downtime or some free play time certainly are NOT. Let's try to be rational and fair with our critique.
No , a 30 days free for a certain subset of your paying customers but not the others is not a "normal" marketing method at all.
Offering those who have left free time to come back yes , but offering those already paying free time for having a certain level but nothing for the others is a moronic idea from a PR standpoint and they deserve the criticism they got initially , and now for claiming to "listen".
It was NOT a "returner" offer at all -
To use a modified quote:
Some men aren't looking for anything logical. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch MMOs burn.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
For just active players? Would think if they are trying to desperately hold people they would do all previous 50s as well to draw them back in... oh well.
duh exactly
That is why they are not desperate, and all this doom and gloom are coming from the 1 percenters who come to this board to troll.
lol, they did with 7 days free trial for cancelled accounts.
I love the Star wars unirverse, but SWTOR was not that good. The server I was on was empty all the time max I ever see on Republic Fleet was 40 players and 90% of them were to low a level to do the flashpoints I wanted to run.
I wont be going back to SWTOR, the graphics are bad, questing is just the same as any other mainstream MMO' just wtth voice overs.
This is a plan to pad the numbers when they present to their investors.
Do you guys honestly think investors are less in sync with what is going on than people on this message board? This ploy can't work on some disgruntled mmo players but it can work on people with millions and millions of dollars? Really?
So not only do you all have this asinane hate in your heart for a decent company like bioware, but you also have this incredible superiority complex?
Here is a hint folks. It is not a ploy. It is a sincere thank you to their fans. Crazy huh?
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I believe I said they would change their initial moronic idea and then pat themselves on the back for "listening to the customers".
They did the same with the grace period/no grace period/now we will have a grace period crap at launch also.
I predict further moronic ideas from Bioware then retracted as "listening" , seems that just can't not make the initial stupid decision , that would be too professional I guess.
Yup! Time for people to zoom to end game within a week, and then quit shortly afterwards.
They still should have granted the 30 days to those who have subbed constantly from the start, or stay subbed for at least 90 days solid, then that would encourage people to quit (unsub) less
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I played my first character exclusively to 33 or so to finish chapter one and unlock Legacy (high 30s to do that? I don't think so), that took me about 3 weeks; I then let my alt-itis kick in at that point - I have several characters and no main, its how I play MMOs.
I have characters that I PuG with, another that exclusively teams with my wife so I don't outlevel her, others that I play with other friends that I like to keep touch with but don't want to outlevel, another that I play almost exclusively solo that I jump on when I can't guarantee I won't need to leave a team at no notice. My highest character is currently 47, I have 3 others in the 30s and a few 20s, all of which were earning legacy xp thank you (yes, I easily qualify for the new 'you need legacy level 6' rule).
We don't all jump into the first character choice and play all the way to the end, especially when all we see on the forums are people complaining about how terrible the post 50 game is.
The lack of empathy some people have for other people is just astonishing. Should I blame your parents?
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MMO's are looking at retention rates.
After initial release,they get a number. Out of X players who try, Y players stay playing. So if 1000 try it, lets say only 300 stay. So games are throwing out promotionals. Using the preceding example, if they wanted 1000 players, they'd put out a promotional that would draw 3000 or so in (meaning 1000 or so would stay).
I think this is exactly what rift has done, and I believe it is what has stabilized their population.
Expect more of this. You think WoW is free up to lvl 20 for no reason?
Oh yeah, the game is prospering... Right.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
They seem to have taken lessons from SOE - They are notorious for this too!
Latest thing - Prosiben - SOE "When deal goes through, US players willl only be able to play on US servers, and EU players will only be able to play on EU servers; Players "Nooooooooooo!"; SOE "Ok we listened you can now go play on any server you like!". Players "Yay! SOE the Heroes!" But EU will still have to pay 3 subs for EQ1, EQ2 and Vanguard, when only needed one sub currently, unless they change their mind again, but are being silent atm
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This is just embarrassing. It looks like one of two things: either they cannot figure out something as simple as reward all your customers who have stayed paid-up subscribers the whole time (and keep screwing it up by making it more and more complex than it needs to be), or they are nakedly trying to pad their sub numbers before the earnings report and don't really give a crap about their subscribers (throwing a token bone here to silence the outrage). Neither puts them in a positive light.
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This is wrong my thread gets edit by a moderator for saying " swtor is a trash of a game." This member may not had said it out right, but it's basically the same implication.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4892959/thread/346495#4892959
Thats far to logical and simple for BioEA.
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
Currently WoW servers 55 out of 236 servers are low (23%)
Currentl on SWtOR 29 out of 123 servers are low (23.5%)
So um lol? Try harder at math?
Oh wait you guys just trolling.
and you think comparing a 4 month old game to a 9 year old game is biofandrome for no reason. LOL
Of course we are! ^^ Those of us with level 50's would typically be the ones most likely to come back to see new content. Or we would be, in just about any other game. This is one of the first games that I've reached cap in, that I really have little interest in going back. Given that I have NINE level 85's in WoW (yes, I'm quite insane...^^) thats saying something.
Guys, cut them some slack. I mean, really, I agree with most that some fundamental things in the SWTOR design went wrong. But just please stop making a fool out of yourself, by blowing small issues out of proportion. A 30 days free "returner" sub is a normal marketing method after a big patch and no sign for doom and gloom. A big patch can have some issues, all MMO had that from time to time, and a 8 hours downtime can happen.
There is enough to critizise here, but a delayed patch feature, a few hours downtime or some free play time certainly are NOT. Let's try to be rational and fair with our critique.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I completed my main's story at L48. I didn't grind the last two levels because it was so colossally boring and there was no point.
God I love it when I am right. I guess my "crystal ball" was on the money. Tried telling these people that this game was nothing more than a 90 day'er.
add another free 30 days and those people will just burn through any content patch in 2 weeks and then be left in the same boat.
One day these so called MMO devs might learn that you can not make mmo's like a single player game and expect people to sub for any length of time. When you make it like a single player game, its going to be played like a single player game, a month or 2 maybe 3, then its shelved.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
You're absolutely correct. As soon as Blizzard stopped caring about quality, they had to resort to gimmicks for retention. Same thing in SWTOR's case, except the quality shows right out of the gate.
Blizzard had a stellar 5/6 years.
Re: SWTOR
"Remember, remember - Kakk says 'December.'"
For just active players? Would think if they are trying to desperately hold people they would do all previous 50s as well to draw them back in... oh well.
No , a 30 days free for a certain subset of your paying customers but not the others is not a "normal" marketing method at all.
Offering those who have left free time to come back yes , but offering those already paying free time for having a certain level but nothing for the others is a moronic idea from a PR standpoint and they deserve the criticism they got initially , and now for claiming to "listen".
It was NOT a "returner" offer at all -
duh exactly
That is why they are not desperate, and all this doom and gloom are coming from the 1 percenters who come to this board to troll.
a) I never got anything like this in any MMO i played, and i played a lot of them
b) this is not "returner" promotion its for people with ACTIVE sub running
c) alongside this they have actual 7 days RETURNER promotion which IS common and i get a handful of them in my inbox from various MMOs i played over the years
d) this is not promotion for those that already gave up on game, its very desperate move to try to keep those that still play until they fix the game.
To use a modified quote:
Some men aren't looking for anything logical. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch MMOs burn.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
lol, they did with 7 days free trial for cancelled accounts.
This is a plan to pad the numbers when they present to their investors.
Re: SWTOR
"Remember, remember - Kakk says 'December.'"
I cancled my subs today.
I love the Star wars unirverse, but SWTOR was not that good. The server I was on was empty all the time max I ever see on Republic Fleet was 40 players and 90% of them were to low a level to do the flashpoints I wanted to run.
I wont be going back to SWTOR, the graphics are bad, questing is just the same as any other mainstream MMO' just wtth voice overs.
I am waiting for TSW life time sub to that game
Do you guys honestly think investors are less in sync with what is going on than people on this message board? This ploy can't work on some disgruntled mmo players but it can work on people with millions and millions of dollars? Really?
So not only do you all have this asinane hate in your heart for a decent company like bioware, but you also have this incredible superiority complex?
Here is a hint folks. It is not a ploy. It is a sincere thank you to their fans. Crazy huh?