Star Wars Galaxies: New Expansion Coming

pirrg · August 2005

Originally posted by Fion
"If the expansion reverted a lot of things back to just aftre the launch, then it might be good. SWG was fun to play for about six months...and then the player cities thing messed it up...character revamps and MAJOR nerfs ruined a lot. I liked SWG and hope it gets better but I don't think it will."Yea thats why within 2 months the games population went from 300k to 150k. And also why the games population is higher now then it has been since release.I respect your opinion but you write it as if it's everyones... when clearly it isn't. IMHO SWG wasn't good UNTIL they started adding player cities and vehicles and such. Granted I do agree Jedi should never have been added. But realisticly, the game needed a 'huge grind end game' for the powergamers.. and now we have it.

Um, if you think 300-400k subscribers is anything "good" then you are grossly mistaken. To date swg has only sold approx 1 mill copies, not even half of those buyers are active subscribers. A game with names like Lucasarts and Sony backing it should have 4-5 times more subscribers then that. Alas it doesnt because SWG is lacking in so many areas it makes my head spin.

slimeydino · August 2005

SWG was my favorite MMORPG of all time until they introduced the jedi trials. The game would have had so much potential if they would have implemented and concentrated on the GALACTICAL CIVIL WAR hence the title of the original game "An Empire Divided". But no, instead they decided to reverse history and add prequel episode stuff to the game for a marketing scheme. I wonder how many more Episode III expansions will come out?

anarchyart · August 2005

Originally posted by pirrg

Originally posted by anarchyart
SWG is a fun game, if you can stop taking yourself and it so goddamn seriously. If you don't like it, don't play it and GET OVER IT. One great thing about SWG is you won't have to listen to any trolls, they all trust everything they hear on the internet and wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot deep sea trolling rod.
EDIT: part of post deleted in respect to moderators.

Stop trolling the forum Anarchyart. If you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion then simply stay in the background and pick your nose, thank you.

LOL did you even believe this one yourself? I find it hard to believe that even you could be so deluded. At least people who play SWG won't have to deal with the likes of you. You probably don't have a credit card or access to one which is why all you do is thumb your nose at every game there is. If you think I am a troll report me, I can tell you not to waste your time right now. The moderators for this site have been picked based upon maturity and common sense, things which seem quite alien to you.

You're not fooling anyone, you're bad for this site and gaming in general. Try going outside and smelling the fresh air and come back inside and try adding one single positive post to this site for once.

Azash_AT · August 2005

Actualy having returned to SWG after a long hiatus I can really say that SWG has gotten better.

It is true that they do catar hand and foot to Jedi but the reality is that Jedi are not as near as powerful as they used to be. In fact 3 out of the last 4 patches have nurfed Jedi powers while increasing the abilities of nomral combat professions.

What they have done for Jedi is make it easier to become a Jedi. Its nolonger difficult its just a long grind. They have thrashed the ability for Bounty Hunters to be a serious obsticle to Jedi (or Jedi hopefulls) on there grind. Meanwhile there powers keep sinking lower and lower. They are still the most powerful class in the game by far simply because they are in the top 3 of every class ability catagory in the game (dps, healing, tanking, etc). THESE ARE NOT THE JEDI I SAW BEFORE I QUIT THAT COULD KILL 10-15 NON JEDI IN PVP SINGLE HANDEDLY. Now there ractio is much more like 1.5 to 1 but the NUMBER of jedi has skyrocketed.

Realistically lets look at this and why it exists.

1) Jedi are the End Game for SWG. Once you have your Jedi you have to have something to do with your Jedi. (Hence a good chunk of this X-pac is for Jedi).

2) The Galactic Civil War is hopelessly screwed up at this point and SOE/SWG developers have shown no desire to try and fix it. Its not Jedi thats screwing up its the COMPANY THAT INVINTED EQII NO PVP AND THE EQ BLUE SERVER really having no idea how to handle a factionalized player v player war in game. Why does this effect Jedi. Besides Jedi the GCW is the only other End Game concept for SWG.

3) Jedi numbers rise packs of Jedi join the GCW and there is no ability in game a Jedi can not replicate. So this drives other players to level the playing field by developing there Jedi faster (where they might have not or done it at a much slower pace). Thus making the number of Jedi in game grow exponentially.

4) SWG has tossed out the idea of controlling Jedi numbers. They now only control the time it takes to become a Jedi. The end result means in extreme circumstances everyon in SWG ends up becoming a JEDI it just takes longer than it used to.

5) If Jedi are the end game for SWG they developers can not afford to deny people access to the only end game teh game has. They also can not afford to start driving people out of the end game by perma death or jedi deleveling via BH deaths or some other means on a large scale. It would be tantamount to turning off the servers and locking the doors to the office and calling a mulligan on the game at this point.

If even a 1/10 of what I said is true it does prove one thing. The SWG team really has a serious issue with there end game. Its one of those for 3 steps forward you fall back 2 steps issues. The Jedi are keeping the game going but limiting the scope and subscribership of the game in the same instance.

They REALLY REALLY REALLY need to fix the PvP in the game (no balancing the flagging system) and the Galactic Civil War.

People have no reason to flag themselves to fight other players, you can flip bases without flagging yourself for pvp etc. They made to much of the end pvp game accessible to non pvp that its diluted to the point of being pointless. There really are no rewards but some lame ass score the recruiters tell you that if you are ahead turns entire planets into faction farms for the opposing side by filling them up with terminally low level non swarming npcs.

In otherwords Jedi is all they got cause they got no clue about the GCW which they have terminal half assed. So they are making a go of what they got!

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anarchyart · August 2005

Originally posted by Fion

"Um, if you think 300-400k subscribers is anything "good" then you are grossly mistaken. To date swg has only sold approx 1 mill copies, not even half of those buyers are active subscribers."
You do know the only western MMOG's that have sold that many coppies are WoW and EQ right? And that before WoW, EQ held the record for most subs at 400k right? 400k is NOT something to laugh at, it's more then nearly every other MMORPG out there.

People who don't play or haven't played SWG since it's early days are just laughed at when they bash it. Because you are all so clueless about the games current state. And to suggest 400k players is a small ammount or not 'good'.. shows you don't follow the industry very much and probably haven't been playing these games for very long.
I say what ever, you all can act like children 'my dad could beat up your dad' crap. I'm gonna go play the game I enjoy and know is highly successful, dispite what some person who probably has never played the game, or hasn't in a very long time, wishes to spew off as fact.
It's just so funny what people will believe if they hear it out of the mouth of someone with a similar opinion. It's like our mothers used to say 'if so-and-so jumped off a bridge would you jump too?' For many, that appears to be a resounding YES.

Thusly is the nature of the troll Fion. They don't need facts to back up anything they say, just a bad attitude to throw their angry rhetoric out there for all to see and kick back an laugh to themselves when others agree with them. Any fewl with a pulse can bash SWG or any other game for that matter, not to say that anyone who dislikes a game is a troll. They can be recognized with anyone with a bit of sense to decipher their half-truths and outright lies and rhetoric which they twist to prove their non-points.

Fact is, SWG is a fun game for new players and old players alike, save those who haven't a shred of maturity or common sense. It's not perfect but it's a game, play it or don't but it's sick when people just surf forums to get their shots in just to prove they know something. Which anyone with sense can disprove in a heartbeat.

Thanks for doing so, Fion.

Erillion · August 2005

Yeah, people are so blinded by the numbers of sold WoW boxes that they dont realize that until one year ago the SOE games were the bestsellers amongst the western MMOPRGs. That 300 k subscribers was one of the most successful games ever.

And that eastern MMORPGs like Lineage 1 and 2 work differently than the western ones. Which means there might be 1.5 million Lineage toons, but 75 % of those are from MUCH less permanent accounts installed at cybercafes ... where literally hundreds of players play out of the same cybercafe. So Lineage sold a lot less boxes than its subscriber numbers indicate.

WoW HAS set a milestone .. both in west and east, and its the new record to strive for. But that does not make all the other games obsolete that were in the Top 10 only one year ago. Especially as WoW is maybe the ultimate "old style" game .. it perfected the standard MMORPG, but did not add anything new to it except pure SIZE and easy accessability for newbies.

Have fun

Erillion

PS: Ah yes .. as WoW is rumoured to have had two times as large a development budget as any other title in the genre ... that may have helped a lot.

Merodoc · August 2005

Don't mean to add to this cesspool, but why is the protagonists always consider themselves superior when the sole differing factor between them and those of the opposite opinion is the matter at hand?

I played SWG and quit because I could not invest a lot of time in it. Truthfully, if you imagine Galaxies to be the limits of your imagination (a trick I fell for when the game first came out), you will be disappointed. Those who are realists, I guess, are those who stick with it because they did not exagerate its proportions. Overblowing a game, I might add, is not hype; it is simply you filling in blank areas of the game with what you expect--which is very dangerous.

(Thusly is not a word, by the way.)

pirrg · August 2005

Originally posted by anarchyart
Originally posted by Fion
"Um, if you think 300-400k subscribers is anything "good" then you are grossly mistaken. To date swg has only sold approx 1 mill copies, not even half of those buyers are active subscribers."
You do know the only western MMOG's that have sold that many coppies are WoW and EQ right? And that before WoW, EQ held the record for most subs at 400k right? 400k is NOT something to laugh at, it's more then nearly every other MMORPG out there.People who don't play or haven't played SWG since it's early days are just laughed at when they bash it. Because you are all so clueless about the games current state. And to suggest 400k players is a small ammount or not 'good'.. shows you don't follow the industry very much and probably haven't been playing these games for very long.
I say what ever, you all can act like children 'my dad could beat up your dad' crap. I'm gonna go play the game I enjoy and know is highly successful, dispite what some person who probably has never played the game, or hasn't in a very long time, wishes to spew off as fact.
It's just so funny what people will believe if they hear it out of the mouth of someone with a similar opinion. It's like our mothers used to say 'if so-and-so jumped off a bridge would you jump too?' For many, that appears to be a resounding YES.
Thusly is the nature of the troll Fion. They don't need facts to back up anything they say, just a bad attitude to throw their angry rhetoric out there for all to see and kick back an laugh to themselves when others agree with them. Any fewl with a pulse can bash SWG or any other game for that matter, not to say that anyone who dislikes a game is a troll. They can be recognized with anyone with a bit of sense to decipher their half-truths and outright lies and rhetoric which they twist to prove their non-points.
Fact is, SWG is a fun game for new players and old players alike, save those who haven't a shred of maturity or common sense. It's not perfect but it's a game, play it or don't but it's sick when people just surf forums to get their shots in just to prove they know something. Which anyone with sense can disprove in a heartbeat.
Thanks for doing so, Fion.

Youre the one jumping from thread to thread trolling anyone that dares criticize a game. My facts come from http://www.mmorpgchart.com/ . SWG currently has 250k subscribers, when first released it had over 300k. Now if you dont see anything wrong in a stready decline in ammount of subs as opposed to a steady increase then i guess that is your problem. Please stop trolling every thread anarchyart, if you dont have something constructive to add to the discussion then simply keep quiet.

I played SWG for 4 months since launch. It obviously changed for the worst considering they lost over 50k of their active subscribers, me and my entire PA included. ::::02::

anarchyart · August 2005

Originally posted by pirrg

Youre the one jumping from thread to thread trolling anyone that dares criticize a game.

You got it bass ackwards pirrg. Actually what I do is criticize anyone that dares troll a game.

Please stop trolling every thread anarchyart, if you dont have something constructive to add to the discussion then simply keep quiet.

If you think I am a troll, report me. I can tell you now don't bother, the moderators, as I said in another thread, have been chosen on, among other things, maturity and common sense. They won't be fooled by the likes of you or anyone else.

I played SWG for 4 months since launch. It obviously changed for the worst considering they lost over 50k of their active subscribers, me and my entire PA included.

All games lose players and gain them back, it's the nature of the game. Not saying you didn't have a reason to leave, just that it happens. The CU upset a lot of poeple which is understandable, but the game is still inherently fun and playable. It isn't perfect, but name one game that is. Yeah I know, there isn't one.

Ok pirrg we get it, you hate SWG. Now move along; continuous bashing of a game is what a troll does by definition. If you aren't a troll, prove it by finding something you DO like and posting about it, instead of thumbing your nose at every single game in creation.

Nothing wrong with disliking a game, it's when you bash it ad nauseam, ad infinitum, that I take exception and any decent person without an axe to grind will agree. Later.

EDIT: Merodoc very interesting read on the origin of the word (or non-word) thusly. Thanks for pointing it out; it seems good enough for humorists and Bill Clintons speech writers though, and thusly, I will continue to use it.

Magnaman · August 2005

Originally posted by anarchyart

Originally posted by pirrg

Youre the one jumping from thread to thread trolling anyone that dares criticize a game.
You got it bass ackwards pirrg. Actually what I do is criticize anyone that dares troll a game.
Please stop trolling every thread anarchyart, if you dont have something constructive to add to the discussion then simply keep quiet.
If you think I am a troll, report me. I can tell you now don't bother, the moderators, as I said in another thread, have been chosen on, among other things, maturity and common sense. They won't be fooled by the likes of you or anyone else.
I played SWG for 4 months since launch. It obviously changed for the worst considering they lost over 50k of their active subscribers, me and my entire PA included.
All games lose players and gain them back, it's the nature of the game. Not saying you didn't have a reason to leave, just that it happens. The CU upset a lot of poeple which is understandable, but the game is still inherently fun and playable. It isn't perfect, but name one game that is. Yeah I know, there isn't one.

Ok pirrg we get it, you hate SWG. Now move along; continuous bashing of a game is what a troll does by definition. If you aren't a troll, prove it by finding something you DO like and posting about it, instead of thumbing your nose at every single game in creation.

Nothing wrong with disliking a game, it's when you bash it ad nauseam, ad infinitum, that I take exception and any decent person without an axe to grind will agree. Later.

I find it amazing the mods on this board allow you to keep attacking people and calling them trolls. I find it very strange indeed. Yet it seems the game(s) you attack people on you have hardly played.

anarchyart · August 2005

Originally posted by Magnaman

I find it amazing the mods on this board allow you to keep attacking people and calling them trolls. I find it very strange indeed. Yet it seems the game(s) you attack people on you have hardly played.

Your 4th post on this site and yet you seem quite used to me (2 of which have pointed fingers at myself saying I attack people), I find that amazing; not really, I'm quite sure you've been banned under another name. If I'm wrong I apologize, but this would seem the case. If I was attacking anyone, I would have been banned by now. Nice try.

Magnaman · August 2005

Originally posted by anarchyart

Originally posted by Magnaman

I find it amazing the mods on this board allow you to keep attacking people and calling them trolls. I find it very strange indeed. Yet it seems the game(s) you attack people on you have hardly played.

Your 4th post on this site and yet you seem quite used to me (2 of which have pointed fingers at myself saying I attack people), I find that amazing; not really, I'm quite sure you've been banned under another name. If I'm wrong I apologize, but this would seem the case. If I was attacking anyone, I would have been banned by now. Nice try.

You really think calling people trolls isn't attacking them? I don't know why the mods allow you to keep doing it post after post but oh well I guess it is time to move on. I don't want to be part of a board that allows people like you on it.

anarchyart · August 2005

Originally posted by Magnaman

You really think calling people trolls isn't attacking them? I don't know why the mods allow you to keep doing it post after post but oh well I guess it is time to move on. I don't want to be part of a board that allows people like you on it.

The thing is, calling someone a troll isn't calling them a name: it is describing a pattern of behavior. Trolling hurts the entire industry; it alienates gamers from trying something that has piqued their interest and sadly some people (a lot of them, myself included a couple years ago) believe the things they hear. Checking forums like these is how some people do their research, and hearing angry trolls blather their rhetoric stops them from sinking a few bucks into a game.

I had heard from people back when EQ first came out that EQ was "gay" and this was from more than one person. Well those trolls kept me from experiencing the first 2 years of that wonderful game, a game that I grew to look upon as my most fond video gaming experience. An experience that still has not been surpassed except in little spurts by games like Lineage 2 and Battlefield 2 to name but 2 (lol 2 2 2).

I'm sorry, but trolling is bad for games and gamers and the entirety of our beloved genre, which is why it is one of the listed reasons for reporting people on this site.

Now enough, this is the SWG expansion thread, I'm done here no matter if I get called out again.

Enigma · August 2005

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How about EVERYONE STOP TROLLING?!?!

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