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EVE worth a closer look
Heinz130
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The awfull way that producers actly produce theyr games and the sureal lack of respect they show to players time and dedication made me think on how EVE deserve a post lighting up some of the best way-to-manage an mmorpg that EVE runs.
I wll try to stick to the good points and explain why i play it even im being a space based games hater.
-Gameplay Regularity
The itens and skills that you achieve will have exactly the same efect since the day you get it to the day you leave the game,and,when you make your acc active again in any point in the future you know that your gameplay possibilitys are exact the same has the day you leave
This show huge respect for theyr players time and dedication,and the personal relation that player have with hes character,what i think its madatory for any kind of comercial activity.
From time to time i take a vacation off eve,and aways i come back,there are my skills and itens and i know that all will work exactly has in the day i left,that make me rly happy and conrtable to keep playing,and experienced mmorpgers know what im talking about
-Huge single server
Every player of EVE can meet,means theres not a player that you talk on the foruns or youve heard about that you cant know in game
All your and,most part,your clan do will afect the whole game,for exemple the clan´s star base or a war etc
The server is so huge i doubt that a single players visited every corner of the game or did all possible things,you will allways a place to explore or a player or clan to chalenge
-Balanced overall
Dosent matter whats the faction of your choice,tree of skills you follow nor the combat line you chose,its all balanced
Btw,the oldests not ending discusions on the game are about whats better,armor or shield tanks,missile or laser to a good stand dps,gallent or caldari etc ships
You know you can chose any line of skills you simpatyse more,any faction you like you know it will have a balanced in game end
-Free PvP
Keeping the realism and exitement fo a free pvp world,you can atack or be atacked for anyone since you have power to stand the consequences
War btw clans or players,make it even more chalenging,if you or your faction are angry with some one just declare war on him,pvp btw 2 parts in war is even more consequences free making the combats and hide and chase or ambush,find where your enemy is based even more interesting
(Btw,my clan was in war when i last left,we are smaller but smarter than our enemy,we ambush and kill than run and hide,we already scout and found theyr region of activity 
too bad we cant solo face most part of them,they are good vet pvp players,good part they count with theyr own single solo skills )
-Overall game quality
Stunning graphs,in space and places
99,9% bugs and glitches free
Good and varied sound track
Originality on the expansions,feature-contents
these are just a small part of good contents of EVE,im not playing atm becouse im a lill sick of it,since its not my fav game style,but all the features ive spoke and the game quality keep me playing it from time to time
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Comments
Yes, Eve is good.
The main critisism I have of Eve is that most of the universe is too similar everywhere you go. However, I think DUST will help to make places more different.
Personally, I'm now waiting for DUST to come out. My two Eve accounts should go well with DUST because I'm training them for 'planetary interaction'.
In the future, I believe CCP has plans to make more types of 'player housing', so their vision is good.
There is a lot of 'salesmanship' using social media (Facebook). However, this is actually ok because the information is genuinely informative, done with enthusiasm, and new content is broadcast everyday - quite an achievement really.
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It's a good game but you do not sound like you've been playing / following the game very long. Or you are glossing over a lot of stuff. They're constantly messing around with the games mechanics.
Yea? Like what?
Well, if by that he actually means "revisiting old and outdated mechanics and making them more streamlined", then sure.
I mean, that's what the last expansion and the upcoming one is all about, which is a good thing.
Look at what he said again my examples against what he said were in red. He didn't say they were changing the game for the better or any such crap. He said and I quote
"Gameplay Regularity
The itens and skills that you achieve will have exactly the same efect since the day you get it to the day you leave the game,and,when you make your acc active again in any point in the future you know that your gameplay possibilitys are exact the same has the day you leave"
AND
"-Balanced overall
Dosent matter whats the faction of your choice,tree of skills you follow nor the combat line you chose,its all balanced "
Selective quoting is so much easier though, isn't it.
Edited to add. Dated mechanics is also subjective. One of the answers to blaster boats that was being tossed around awhile back was increasing Gallente hull speed.
I've been out of the loop for about a month so I really don't know what the new patch brought as far as changes. Though I don't need to know what changes the current update brought to know two of the points he made were wrong.
I still don't get it. What do they "constantly mess around with"?
And who quoted you selectively? You've been quoted fully every time so far in this thread.
Gamaplay in EVE yes is regular and yes its ballanced
If some race is more common than other its just becouse its lore is most atractive,not diferent,even becouse you have free will to change any atributes and progress in any tree of skills you just want
The ships are ballanced has long you know how to fit em acording to the purpose they are made,if you dont like the combat role style of that ship just pick other
And about itens,each type of torpedoes and eletronic warfare works better or worse depending your target role,each type of protective fit or role can be overelmed by a specific weapon or eletronic warfare,what,by the way,are at the disposal of all and any single player
The contents i highlighted are comparative,and comparing EVE yes keep the best balance and regularity among all mmorpgs out there,personaly saying,and i think most of EVE players will agree,is that the changes made on the game are just corrective and tine,way diferent of the butchery the other games do,so the feeling when you come back to the game is that nothing changed,in gameplay talking.
About my game time,i dont know exactly where to see this,has long i never bother with that,i can say i have 15M skill points and a 1 BS,1BC,1 cargo,and money enough to buy and use the golem with a good 50km torpedoes dps my new fresh skills now allow me,plus 4 managed planets bumping resources constantly...and 5 years old acc (i know its not much for a 5 years acc,still its a good score to get a good picture)
I was never a EVE big fan,genre talking here,i cant stand more than 12 hours a weekend of it,has i mentioned before what most call my atention on this game is the respect it shows to theyr players,and of course the game quality and overall
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MordragMO, Lets try this again. So I am going to quote that post which you snipped off and just had the bottom of.
Two of his statements which are incorrect. I gave "my" examples as to what was wrong with what he wrote which are in red.
The first statement that I had an issue with:
I made my response (red text = me) to is not debatable. It is false. I would have to go all the way back to 2005 and go through every single patch note from then to date to list every example just for my character. A little extreme so I just gave the first couple of examples that came to mind. Modules, ships, and weapons are constantly having stats changed as well as how they work in some cases. Not all at once but they do change. It is not debatable. I will not entertain any response saying that the OP was correct on this point.
He stated that one can expect things to work exactly the same as they did they day that they left. That's B.S.
The second issue:
Again (red text = me) I gave the reason i thought that it was wrong. This one is debatable. All in all I would say it's wrong, my opinion and CCP seems to agree. Unless people are going to completely ignore major fixes and updates that CCP has been doing to a certain race as well as ship types in an attempt to make the less popular / less used ones more viable. Which means more peple and even fleets might start to field them.
There is a huge list of ships that people simply don't use because they flat out suck. That's not balanced. CCP is trying to fix this.
I'm not bashing the game. I play Eve. I'm just idle atm. Long skill queue and kind of taking a break. However, I am a firm believer that it doesn't matter if you like a game or don't. No good can come from giving false information.
Example:
Lets say player A joins or rejoins Eve because he see's the original post in this thread. When they get into game they come to find out this post gave him incorrect information. Now player A is crying on Eve-O demanding CCP change their game to be what he was told to expect by that poster.
Eve-O community commences trolling player A because of his unpopular expectations (this happens all to often on Eve-O) which leaves a bad taste in player A's mouth. Player A now tells friends about this experience as well as goes to gaming communities to vent his frustration.
Which modules, ships and weapons are "constantly having stats changed as well as how they work in some cases"? I remember a new scanning system two or three years ago but I'm not sure if any stats of modules were changed for that? Oh and something about doomsday devices.
Missiles and torpedos? Constantly changing? Not that I know of. There were some tweaks. Some time, long ago.
What else is there? Btw you seem a lil mad, bro.
Yea. That's certainly going to happen...
You're the one spreading false info here. Things aren't "constantly having stats changed". There have been very, very, VERY few nerfs and tweaks compared to any other MMO on the market. Personally I've never been affected in 2 years of gameplay by any of them.
I like this game, but the inability to fly the ship just makes it not very engaging for me. I was going to play Dust 514 until I saw it was PS3 only. Too bad because this game is very cool.
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Mad? No. Why would I be? I'm not the one who clearly glossed over a thread and it's contents to snap at someone and tell them to give examples when in fact examples were actually given in very post that got quoted. Now it's turned into you trolling in an attempt to cover up the fact that it didn't even seem like you read the thread which you were making replies too.
You want more examples, go read patch notes. Modules, ships, weapons, do constantly get changed. Not all at once but they do get changed. Some get totally revamped. Torpedo's. DD. ECM. To name a couple of the revamps. The countless hulls that have their bonuses changed.
The Op stated that they work the same as the day you got them which is false. Items get changed.
Then again you know this as well as everyone else who plays.
Wow,long read,I dont want to read all this but reading your post name "EVE worth a closer look" I must say no.
The only time i ever logged in there I last for less than an houre felt it was the most boring vaste of time game ever.
Just want to say that I agree, things get changed. Maybe not constantly, but every once in a while stuff is rebalanced etc.
I think that might be what you guys really disagree on.
Oh, and they don't usually radically change how things work. In essence, if you could fly a wolf when you quit, you can still fly the wolf when you get back - and it won't have changed too much.
It's a good thing that they change/rebalance items/ships/etc. Why? It keeps the game balanced.
CCP doesn't want winmatar to be a reality. They want the game to be balanced - even when adding new stuff.
Edit: I also want to add that I did not read the OP because of the spelling. Sorry about that OP.
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Aye you are correct CCP does not normally do a complete redesign of items. Normally it's just stat changes. But they do have a history of doing redesigns. Or making things not work the way they initially did. Stacking MWD's and AB's for example. It's always in the name of balance. Me saying the op is giving false information has nothing to do with if I like the changes or don't.
The op stated a player could expect items to stay the same as the day the got them. Which is false.
Read that devblog if you want an example of major upcoming changes to how things work.
Not saying it's bad - I think it's great! - but it's silly to describe EVE as a game where the devs don't change things under you.
Wrong
has i sayd before
If guy join EVE again he will feel the game hasnt changed,and will comfirm the post is correct
I left and came back to EVE many times and i can tell it with property
All what you did is running in circles with a fel corrections made since the game was released,what again are too small to be called changes
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The least played race Minmatar contributes to more than 50% kills...official stats, as much to game balance.
Sorry, but you are very naive about how EVE balance plays out in real conditions, and not on paper only.
Blasters are hopelessly broken since 2007, Minmatar dominates PVP heavily for years, 0.0 being super-caps online(thanks Selene!), etc.
The game in current state is horribly imbalanced and there is not even a slightest hint the game will improve in any near future...on the contrary...
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Plenty is changing - MWD, AB, Vamps, Neuts, Projectiles, Lasers, Torps, Motherships, etc.
Just because you are not aware about the changes, means you are just too new and/or too ignorant.
Whole game is changing on regular basis and you need to adapt and find new strategies and tactics.
It is actually funny because it is one of the common complaints about EVE and CCP - they constantly change and tweak the game and your skill set can quickly become very inefficient, forcing you to cross train, etc.
Alright, I wasn't aware of every change.
I still don't think it's fair to say that they "constantly change everything all the time", that's just a lie. That's infact all my objection was about. I've never really been affected by any of those changes. Except I'd like to use 2 MWDs maybe, but meh.
Naturally game mechanics change and new mechanics get added in an expansion. That changes the universe. Would suck if Eve hadn't changed since its launch.
It is no lie. It is relative.
If you play 4 months, you won't notice any changes.
If you play for a year, you might experience some major change.
If you play for +2 years, you might be very pissed off/pleased by changes CCP has made.
Of course this is mostly affecting PVP as PVE does not require much thought out tactics but in PVP even subtle changes may have very dramatic impact.
EVE is ever changing, it is imo the most changing game around, party due to the nature of the sandbox game, partly due in fact very frequent updates - 2 expansions per year.
This mate i took the quote from got exactly the picture im trying to bring here,try to read at last the underlined paragraph down there
mates,plz spend some more time reading what exactly im trying to bring to the light with this post
scan my acount,my main char name is Heinz_GuderianX ...just to cut off the doubt about my experience with EVE
Compare and follow the change/nerf of anyother game to EVE and,if,youre are so experienced,has some ppl here are saying theres no way to desagree that EVE is the game who show more respect for theyr players in matter of no change/nerf or combat system mess up,comparing to all the games out there
Mates,once againg,the word here is comparison and respect,tell me one game that have this feature,and,in matter of fact i never noticed any change on the game,some are saying it changed,and ill not say its a lie,but i just didint noticed nor any friend from the game
Ive not noticed any change on the game...that means it hasant changed?...ON,but still the changes dont ruin the game experience and they are so small that some ppl,even players that passed some considerable time,like myself,dont notice
The whole idea of this post is to call atention on how important is to not change a game has soon its released,and that changes,specialy nerfs realy piss off players,even making em to deband in mass in some cases (see WoW,im one of the fugitives,main char ret paly LOL)
I think i finaly made myself clear with this reply,if i dont theres no problem,i explain again,slower
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You may twist it as much as you want but you are still talking from position of someone being too new or too ignorant to notice the changes.
Return and read what ive wrote,youre definetly replying without reading im plenty sure now
1 of 3 you are a specific game fanatic and cant stand the idea of a game better than yours,2 you are being payd for some dev,or youre just trolling
i pass you
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