Yeah understandable but heres the thing, you would be surprised how many people see it the way i do, the majority of Mmo players, just saying that in a few months i dont think there will be many people playing it. And yes there are other games that do this, unfortunately i would hardly call wow one of them... giving out gear and not obtaining it to do the next raid etc... is worse then no gear at all. Because it removes previous raids and contents from being needed/ done. Even if Gw2 is a Pvp based game, it would still get boring to do the same thing over and over hitting the same every time, not balancing out stats etc...
As if you can't get end game gear in WOW? I mean wht did you guys do once you reached it? left the game, or still continue playing it because it was actually fun. You guys are talking as if reaching end game is impossible in WOW? Isn't there like million of player with end game gear in WOW anyway?
I have to agree with this. End game gear is so easy to obtain in WoW that Epic has lost it's meaning completely. Some of my friends still play WoW (I quit a while ago) and we were laughing about it, because you can look at someone in "Epic" gear and still say they have shit gear on. It's become a pointless chase for bigger numbers.
And Stimos8, where exactly are these "majority of MMO players" you mention that think nobody will be playing GW2 after a few months. Link please. I ask because everyone I know that plays MMO's is looking forward to GW2. Mainly because it will be different and NOT have a gear grind. I know for a fact that the majority of my old WoW guild will be playing GW2 when it releases.
GW1 has no gear grind (in fact the end game gear system is identical to GW2) and the player hubs are always packed with players, over 5 years since the last expansion. Why? Because it is B2P, because the PvE grinds give plenty for people to do, and because the PvP is fun.
Not all games can be made to cater for all tastes.
That is just impossible.
Think mmorpg publishers & devs are starting to see this - finallly!
I myself hmm don't mind some gear grinding and actually liked it in few games ,but well that's not that is 'must have' for me in a game.
GW2 will not have this - just diffrent game concept / design , so imo OP you either need to accept it or go play other mmorpg / game , after all there is plenty of mmorpg's out there - you're doing good researching game before it's release ,but second part of this is making good decisions based on this research.
Worst thing you can do is to get an approach "well I need to have gear grind , GW2 seem to not have it ,but I buy it anyway and then bitch and moan 3 weeks after release that this game sucks cause there is 'nothing to do at max level'.
You will just make GW2 community experience worse for some people but FIRST AND FOREMOST you will hurt YOURSELF wasting time & money on game that you knew before it was lacking fundamental feature you liked.
Alright, well as the title sais and whats already known is that everyone will have virtually the same gear at endgame, however they will be able to change the appearance etc...
Well heres the problem, alot of people, like myself love the gear grinds at endgame, infact thats what i mainly play MMORPG's for, definitely not for the leveling... So what will endgame be like? how will you get rewarded, competition for the most gold or? what singles out each player, i mean its a "semi-action" based combat game, so its not going to be solely based on skill, like Tera. Personally because of this fact and a few others i will most likely not bother playing this game, and move onto a more interesting game such as Tera.
So heres the thing, will we just level up and be bored? what happens at endgame? i can only see the same gear slightly benefitting pvp, but having absolutely no advance on Pve, i mean whats the point if you dont get rewarded? every player being similar makes no sence, people play Mmorpg's because of that main difference you can gain against other players, because of how it feels to win that awesome weapon etc....
Open to views here, if anyone has an other opinion, feel free to say, attempt to convince. Because, at the way the game is looking now, its going to need to be one hell of an arguement.
Pardon me, not meant to sound offensive, but i would rather not see your kind in GW2. Guys like you made up thing like GS, Tier-based raiding and stuff that chased me out of WoW back in the days.
EDIT: people used to play MMORPGs for social activities, for cooperative RPG experience (like PnP RPGs), goofing out around towns etc... then came the days when elitists started to wander around towns just to show their shining armor to others to feed their ego.
Main MMO at the moment: Guild Wars 2 Waiting for: Pathfinder Online
I absolutely 100% agree with everything EduardoASG just said. way over hyped, mediocre game at best, not a bad option for the casual, once in a while players, no innovation, nothing new, outdated graphics/ gameplay and lack of content. End of discussion.
Originally posted by Stimos8
Ok, to be perfectly honest guild wars 2 as a whole seems like a pretty bad game, from the videos i have seen, it just seems to be slow and bulky especially pvp, and thats not what people are wanting, there wanting smooth interactive environments, also the fact that its not really planning on having much pve endgame is a big turn off. Having played the TERA closed beta i can just about safely say that the TERA will be a far better game as a whole, and its being release 1 month before this game. it has far better combat, content, graphics, interaction etc...
Not to mention the fact that they wont be able to update content as quickly as other games, due to it being B2P not P2P.
So yeah, without a doubt disagree with this post, and to prove it to you wait abit over a month untill the games released, and see for yourself.
The OP is a hater of GW2, you can defend GW2 till the cows come home but he wont change his opinion, his mind is made up, so I'm not entirely sure why he needs to start a thread on a subject that he has no interest in. I do but it involves bridges.
If you want a gear grind then this isn't the game for you. The easiest thing right now is to admit that and go look for another game that does have it. May I suggest WoW?
A succinct and accurate answer.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
GW1 has no gear grind (in fact the end game gear system is identical to GW2) and the player hubs are always packed with players, over 5 years since the last expansion. Why? Because it is B2P, because the PvE grinds give plenty for people to do, and because the PvP is fun.
This ^.
In fact I just logged back into GW1 again yesterday (GW2 made me curious about the first game again), and even though I hadn't played in years, the game was still very healthy population wise, I was able to find a guild & alliance very easily, and people were very willing to help me with getting my HoM achievements in preparation for GW2.
In just a day I went from 0 achievements to 10, and closing in on another 5. The rest won't be so easy, but I was very impressed that people were willing to help me that much. I think people are also understimating the cosmetic grind a bit. There are a lot of people that want that really cool title, or that really cool armor, etc. and are willing to either farm for it, or go through the harder content to get enough items to make the cooler stuff. Some of it is epeen, but some of it is just awesome looking. It's the difference between looking like a scrub in a blue cloak, and looking like an avatar of death & decay.
For those that don't care, it's not essential, but it does look awesome running into PvP looking like grenth's badass.
Alright, well as the title sais and whats already known is that everyone will have virtually the same gear at endgame, however they will be able to change the appearance etc...
Well heres the problem, alot of people, like myself love the gear grinds at endgame, infact thats what i mainly play MMORPG's for, definitely not for the leveling... So what will endgame be like? how will you get rewarded, competition for the most gold or? what singles out each player, i mean its a "semi-action" based combat game, so its not going to be solely based on skill, like Tera. Personally because of this fact and a few others i will most likely not bother playing this game, and move onto a more interesting game such as Tera.
here is the answer: don't play, i actually HATE gear grind as only meaning to complete stuff. you grind to get better gear so you can kill the next boss, which won't be able to do without that gear. skill? not needed, you have that gear!
So heres the thing, will we just level up and be bored? what happens at endgame? i can only see the same gear slightly benefitting pvp, but having absolutely no advance on Pve, i mean whats the point if you dont get rewarded? every player being similar makes no sence, people play Mmorpg's because of that main difference you can gain against other players, because of how it feels to win that awesome weapon etc....
as said above, if "ITAMS!" are your only reward... well, that's your prob
people do NOT play mmos to grind more gear, they play em because they are fun. this "uh, i have item lvl over 9000!" is just not what gaming came from, that's what gaming became. and it sucks. gaming worked for ages before it even gave items or stats on items in RPGs
Open to views here, if anyone has an other opinion, feel free to say, attempt to convince. Because, at the way the game is looking now, its going to need to be one hell of an arguement.
as said above, since wow i actually wait for a game that has some decent pvp again, and guild wars 2 might have enough of DAoC to have some devent pvp. we will find out.
ps: diablo 3 might be more your game not every game is ment for everyone.
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
Yeah understandable but heres the thing, you would be surprised how many people see it the way i do, the majority of Mmo players, just saying that in a few months i dont think there will be many people playing it. And yes there are other games that do this, unfortunately i would hardly call wow one of them... giving out gear and not obtaining it to do the next raid etc... is worse then no gear at all. Because it removes previous raids and contents from being needed/ done. Even if Gw2 is a Pvp based game, it would still get boring to do the same thing over and over hitting the same every time, not balancing out stats etc...
And it doesnt get boring raiding for gear over and over again? Just accept your a carrot on a stick player and move on and enjoy Terra as you intend to do. You dont like GW2 your opinion is respected and accepted, now respect other players who want to play GW2, you won't change my mind I've seen enough to make my own mind up.
Alright, well as the title sais and whats already known is that everyone will have virtually the same gear at endgame, however they will be able to change the appearance etc...
Well heres the problem, alot of people, like myself love the gear grinds at endgame, infact thats what i mainly play MMORPG's for, definitely not for the leveling... So what will endgame be like? how will you get rewarded, competition for the most gold or? what singles out each player, i mean its a "semi-action" based combat game, so its not going to be solely based on skill, like Tera. Personally because of this fact and a few others i will most likely not bother playing this game, and move onto a more interesting game such as Tera.
So heres the thing, will we just level up and be bored? what happens at endgame? i can only see the same gear slightly benefitting pvp, but having absolutely no advance on Pve, i mean whats the point if you dont get rewarded? every player being similar makes no sence, people play Mmorpg's because of that main difference you can gain against other players, because of how it feels to win that awesome weapon etc....
Open to views here, if anyone has an other opinion, feel free to say, attempt to convince. Because, at the way the game is looking now, its going to need to be one hell of an arguement.
While this may be true for you in fact it is very untrue for the majority of people who play MMOs, Less then 10% of most games populations participate in Raiding. The large majority of players are in these games for PVP and Questing. If your in the 10% or less who cannot play a game without someone leading you around witha carrot like a donkey without a brain tehn Gw2 probably isnt for you.
Alright, well as the title sais and whats already known is that everyone will have virtually the same gear at endgame, however they will be able to change the appearance etc...
Well heres the problem, alot of people, like myself love the gear grinds at endgame, infact thats what i mainly play MMORPG's for, definitely not for the leveling... So what will endgame be like? how will you get rewarded, competition for the most gold or? what singles out each player, i mean its a "semi-action" based combat game, so its not going to be solely based on skill, like Tera. Personally because of this fact and a few others i will most likely not bother playing this game, and move onto a more interesting game such as Tera.
So heres the thing, will we just level up and be bored? what happens at endgame? i can only see the same gear slightly benefitting pvp, but having absolutely no advance on Pve, i mean whats the point if you dont get rewarded? every player being similar makes no sence, people play Mmorpg's because of that main difference you can gain against other players, because of how it feels to win that awesome weapon etc....
Open to views here, if anyone has an other opinion, feel free to say, attempt to convince. Because, at the way the game is looking now, its going to need to be one hell of an arguement.
Pardon me, not meant to sound offensive, but i would rather not see your kind in GW2. Guys like you made up thing like GS, Tier-based raiding and stuff that chased me out of WoW back in the days.
EDIT: people used to play MMORPGs for social activities, for cooperative RPG experience (like PnP RPGs), goofing out around towns etc... then came the days when elitists started to wander around towns just to show their shining armor to others to feed their ego.
I agree 100% dzoni, i left WoW for the exact same reason, GearScore and the forced to play like others want mentality just soured me from wanting to play. Add to that raiding that felt like a job, and the complete asshatery of the majority of the community just made me quit and never look back.
Alright, well as the title sais and whats already known is that everyone will have virtually the same gear at endgame, however they will be able to change the appearance etc...
Well heres the problem, alot of people, like myself love the gear grinds at endgame, infact thats what i mainly play MMORPG's for, definitely not for the leveling... So what will endgame be like? how will you get rewarded, competition for the most gold or? what singles out each player, i mean its a "semi-action" based combat game, so its not going to be solely based on skill, like Tera. Personally because of this fact and a few others i will most likely not bother playing this game, and move onto a more interesting game such as Tera.
So heres the thing, will we just level up and be bored? what happens at endgame? i can only see the same gear slightly benefitting pvp, but having absolutely no advance on Pve, i mean whats the point if you dont get rewarded? every player being similar makes no sence, people play Mmorpg's because of that main difference you can gain against other players, because of how it feels to win that awesome weapon etc....
Open to views here, if anyone has an other opinion, feel free to say, attempt to convince. Because, at the way the game is looking now, its going to need to be one hell of an arguement.
"A more interesting game like Tera" is subjective. I find NOTHING interesting about Tera beyond the combat and thats not enough to make me think I'll play it longer than it takes Diablo3 to come out, if I even get it (I likely will but wont play past the first month).
Another flaw of your post is saying Tera will be soley based on skill. No gear grind game will ever be based soley on skill.
As far as what happens end game in GW2? Well, personally I like the looks of gear more than I care about the stats anyway. So long as there is challenging content what does it matter what the stat numbers show? Even in WOW (and Tera will be the same) you LOOK at someones gear and say "wow they did xxx instance/raid, AWESOME". You dont say "SWEET look at thier stats!". The ONLY time you look at stats is when trying to fine tune your character for either PvP or PvE. In which case you generally compare yourself to others at the same tier of the conent as you are.
You want the stats to go up I get it. But I would argue it doesnt matter if your stats are the same or diffrent so long as the content keeps flowing and is challenging. But a person wants what they want. In Tera you will get extra stats and look awesome but dont try to fool yourself to think its pure skill in PvP. In GW2 you will not get extra stats and look awesome and it WILL be more skill based with everyone on a level playing field. Dodging is in both game and both accomplish the same thing, negating damage.
Answer: I really don't know. But I will try it and see for myself if I like it.
All MMOs I have played so far had that gear grind endgame. Have been there, had my fun with it but it became boring. But why not try something new ? I at least will try it and see if it is fun for me. You can do this also. In case you don't want to,the majority of all MMOs got the gear grind you are looking for.
More diversity is a great thing and much to rare in the current MMO market.
Alright, well as the title sais and whats already known is that everyone will have virtually the same gear at endgame, however they will be able to change the appearance etc...
Well heres the problem, alot of people, like myself love the gear grinds at endgame, infact thats what i mainly play MMORPG's for, definitely not for the leveling... So what will endgame be like? how will you get rewarded, competition for the most gold or? what singles out each player, i mean its a "semi-action" based combat game, so its not going to be solely based on skill, like Tera. Personally because of this fact and a few others i will most likely not bother playing this game, and move onto a more interesting game such as Tera.
So heres the thing, will we just level up and be bored? what happens at endgame? i can only see the same gear slightly benefitting pvp, but having absolutely no advance on Pve, i mean whats the point if you dont get rewarded? every player being similar makes no sence, people play Mmorpg's because of that main difference you can gain against other players, because of how it feels to win that awesome weapon etc....
Open to views here, if anyone has an other opinion, feel free to say, attempt to convince. Because, at the way the game is looking now, its going to need to be one hell of an arguement.
Pardon me, not meant to sound offensive, but i would rather not see your kind in GW2. Guys like you made up thing like GS, Tier-based raiding and stuff that chased me out of WoW back in the days.
EDIT: people used to play MMORPGs for social activities, for cooperative RPG experience (like PnP RPGs), goofing out around towns etc... then came the days when elitists started to wander around towns just to show their shining armor to others to feed their ego.
I agree 100% dzoni, i left WoW for the exact same reason, GearScore and the forced to play like others want mentality just soured me from wanting to play. Add to that raiding that felt like a job, and the complete asshatery of the majority of the community just made me quit and never look back.
I underlined this on purpose of my another conclusion. The top of tragedy that asshatery of community is, that in one point some of guilds started to have requirements like [Lich King slain] achievement, minimum 6.9k GS etc etc.
Endgame Boss slain, an requirement for joining a Guild. Yes. For a Guild. Asshatery in its brightest light.
Main MMO at the moment: Guild Wars 2 Waiting for: Pathfinder Online
Alright, well as the title sais and whats already known is that everyone will have virtually the same gear at endgame, however they will be able to change the appearance etc...
Well heres the problem, alot of people, like myself love the gear grinds at endgame, infact thats what i mainly play MMORPG's for, definitely not for the leveling... So what will endgame be like? how will you get rewarded, competition for the most gold or? what singles out each player, i mean its a "semi-action" based combat game, so its not going to be solely based on skill, like Tera. Personally because of this fact and a few others i will most likely not bother playing this game, and move onto a more interesting game such as Tera.
So heres the thing, will we just level up and be bored? what happens at endgame? i can only see the same gear slightly benefitting pvp, but having absolutely no advance on Pve, i mean whats the point if you dont get rewarded? every player being similar makes no sence, people play Mmorpg's because of that main difference you can gain against other players, because of how it feels to win that awesome weapon etc....
Open to views here, if anyone has an other opinion, feel free to say, attempt to convince. Because, at the way the game is looking now, its going to need to be one hell of an arguement.
GW2 is DEFINITLY not for you.
But, there are a ton of games that fit your playstyle. I hear EQ2 is going F2P soon.
I absolutely 100% agree with everything EduardoASG just said. way over hyped, mediocre game at best, not a bad option for the casual, once in a while players, no innovation, nothing new, outdated graphics/ gameplay and lack of content. End of discussion.
Originally posted by Stimos8
Ok, to be perfectly honest guild wars 2 as a whole seems like a pretty bad game, from the videos i have seen, it just seems to be slow and bulky especially pvp, and thats not what people are wanting, there wanting smooth interactive environments, also the fact that its not really planning on having much pve endgame is a big turn off. Having played the TERA closed beta i can just about safely say that the TERA will be a far better game as a whole, and its being release 1 month before this game. it has far better combat, content, graphics, interaction etc...
Not to mention the fact that they wont be able to update content as quickly as other games, due to it being B2P not P2P.
So yeah, without a doubt disagree with this post, and to prove it to you wait abit over a month untill the games released, and see for yourself.
The OP is a hater of GW2, you can defend GW2 till the cows come home but he wont change his opinion, his mind is made up, so I'm not entirely sure why he needs to start a thread on a subject that he has no interest in. I do but it involves bridges.
LOL, thanks for the heads up. Hate wasting time on threads like this. So many folk love working in a game. By all means do it. 99.9 percent of the games have amazing grind.
If you've been playing rpgs as long as I have 15 years, then this is the game that reminds you of what rpgs used to be. You adventured, you did it for the adventure. I got the masamune in final fantasy and didnt care about what weapon or armor came after that, and that was midway through the game. I needed to defeat Chaos, or Kefka or become the Avatar. I always wanted to play a game like this where i didnt have a party but i had friends with me. I remember calling up my buddy and we'd play ultima on the phone together.
Its sad to hear disparaging remarks towards GW (like MMOARPG or casual MMO) by the brainwashed. People who believe that a platform game shoudl only look and play like super mario brothers. They keep asking, where is the fireballs, why can't I jump on people's heads. It's all of a sudden not a platform game because no one's jumping up flag poles.
I played SWTOR for a few hours last night. RPGs, since Gygax and Arneson invented them, have been about players cooperating to defeat the world. But even in a PVE zone, I found myself competing with the few players who were online to play for resources and to complete stories. The other players ignored chats of hi and instead just tried racing me to the creatures we had to kill. It was disappointing. This is what people think a massive multiple player ROLE PLAYING GAME should be.
The one thing that makes every other MMORPG bad when it comes to cap PvP is the gear grind and gear balance issues. I for one am very happy this one wont have that issue. Finally, someone who is trying to get it right. So tired of a players skill meaning absolutely nothing in end game PvP, any idiot in the top tear gear can faceroll anyone who isn't. It just kills a game when it is like that, if you dont believe me take a look at SWTOR, they had it bad and made it worse in 1.2 and its PvP players are jumping ship like mad now. It's not the class/power balance thats the problem with all these games that came out over the past 2 years, its the gear imbalance thats doing it. When tier I PvP gear has 100% less of every stat on it from tier III PvP gear, who cares if your powers are all balance. Gear should NEVER play a part in competative PvP, EVER.
But yeah I will agree with the previous couple of posts, the OP is just making another hate thread on GW2 because he doesn't like it. Seriously, he sounds like one of those guys that speed races to cap in 2 days, uses every exploit he can to get top tier gear, then laughs at everyone for months while he farms them without any chance of losing a fight due to his extreme gear advantage.
The point of GW2 IS the leveling experience, and by the OPs own admission, that is the part of the game he doesn't like. SO it looks very simple to me, if you dont like leveling your character, you will not liek this game...period. Move along to Tera then and stop creating threads for GW2...I mean really, what is wrong with you?
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
I'll never understand why people seem to think the goal of end game is to have better things then others.
Instead of competing with better gear, you'll be showing off who understands their class and has the most skill with it, if competition is the road you want to go down.
GEAR has always been one of the reasons I've hated levelling up in games. I prefer having control over how my character looks.
Here's the thing, if you want a set of gear you can only get from the toughest dungeon, you can do that and show off the fact that you got the whole set cuz you're a badass.
If however, I want whatever I started in because I feel it suits my character best, then I will be happy to keep it through the entire game.
The one thing we both will want is better stats. You can get the gear for better stats, I can use the Transmutation stone things to give the stats of better items to the gear appearance I enjoy.
I'm very happy this game isn't another gear grinder. I would have ignored the game if it were.
Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one.
Open to views here, if anyone has an other opinion, feel free to say, attempt to convince. Because, at the way the game is looking now, its going to need to be one hell of an arguement.
Why are you asking people to make "one hell of an arguement" to try and convince you to play a video game? If you like gear grinds and need to be "rewarded" with epics for showing up this is not the game for you. Also, you seem to have gotten lost from the Tera forums and are using the current script of the week for people attempting to flame GW2.
Take, for example, your recent post on the 14th: "because i can tell you right now that guild wars 2 will have maybe a month of gameplay out of it? and yes you can see alot from videos, have a look at youtube, the pvp seems rediculously bulky and inflexible who wants to play that? oh not to mention the instant respawning in dungeons/ nocked down on the ground pve/pve."
Does this seem "open to views"?
"Loading screens" are not "instances". Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
Yeah understandable but heres the thing, you would be surprised how many people see it the way i do, the majority of Mmo players, just saying that in a few months i dont think there will be many people playing it. And yes there are other games that do this, unfortunately i would hardly call wow one of them... giving out gear and not obtaining it to do the next raid etc... is worse then no gear at all. Because it removes previous raids and contents from being needed/ done. Even if Gw2 is a Pvp based game, it would still get boring to do the same thing over and over hitting the same every time, not balancing out stats etc...
Just another person trying to start a battle.
OP: I don't see things the way you do. I do not think you know or speak for the majority of players. And I am glad you can see the future to know that in a few short months there will be that many people playing.
There are 1,481,628 members on MMORPG, and I'm sure there are thousands more who just surf the site. To say there won't be many people playing a game is quite ridiculous. I for one will be playing and quite happy with not grinding for gear.
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Alright, well as the title sais and whats already known is that everyone will have virtually the same gear at endgame, however they will be able to change the appearance etc...
Well heres the problem, alot of people, like myself love the gear grinds at endgame, infact thats what i mainly play MMORPG's for, definitely not for the leveling... So what will endgame be like? how will you get rewarded, competition for the most gold or? what singles out each player, i mean its a "semi-action" based combat game, so its not going to be solely based on skill, like Tera. Personally because of this fact and a few others i will most likely not bother playing this game, and move onto a more interesting game such as Tera.
So heres the thing, will we just level up and be bored? what happens at endgame? i can only see the same gear slightly benefitting pvp, but having absolutely no advance on Pve, i mean whats the point if you dont get rewarded? every player being similar makes no sence, people play Mmorpg's because of that main difference you can gain against other players, because of how it feels to win that awesome weapon etc....
Open to views here, if anyone has an other opinion, feel free to say, attempt to convince. Because, at the way the game is looking now, its going to need to be one hell of an arguement.
But why should people try to convince you? You obviously don't think the game pertains to you. Which it doesn't.
If you need a reward held in your face, this game isn't going to be for you. If you're looking forward to TERA go for it, I doubt it's all skill based though lol.
End game for GW2 will be those HUGE DEs either that reside in WvW or on the PvE side of the game, for those mostly focused on PvE content.
I'll just make it simple for WvW, this is the hook that will keep so many playing. Seems as if you haven't played a great PvP game. And if you say WoW is a great PvP game..... Getouttatown lol. 3 sides changes it all, i can write a huge long paragraph (which i already did twice, then deleted them) explaining what makes it so great, and so much of a hook, but honestly, if you haven't fully expeirenced it, you won't get it. GW2 will hold plenty of people just off this one aspect, atleast thats what i tell myself before i go to bed at night.
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GW1 has no gear grind (in fact the end game gear system is identical to GW2) and the player hubs are always packed with players, over 5 years since the last expansion. Why? Because it is B2P, because the PvE grinds give plenty for people to do, and because the PvP is fun.
Not all games can be made to cater for all tastes.
That is just impossible.
Think mmorpg publishers & devs are starting to see this - finallly!
I myself hmm don't mind some gear grinding and actually liked it in few games ,but well that's not that is 'must have' for me in a game.
GW2 will not have this - just diffrent game concept / design , so imo OP you either need to accept it or go play other mmorpg / game , after all there is plenty of mmorpg's out there - you're doing good researching game before it's release ,but second part of this is making good decisions based on this research.
Worst thing you can do is to get an approach "well I need to have gear grind , GW2 seem to not have it ,but I buy it anyway and then bitch and moan 3 weeks after release that this game sucks cause there is 'nothing to do at max level'.
You will just make GW2 community experience worse for some people but FIRST AND FOREMOST you will hurt YOURSELF wasting time & money on game that you knew before it was lacking fundamental feature you liked.
Pardon me, not meant to sound offensive, but i would rather not see your kind in GW2. Guys like you made up thing like GS, Tier-based raiding and stuff that chased me out of WoW back in the days.
EDIT: people used to play MMORPGs for social activities, for cooperative RPG experience (like PnP RPGs), goofing out around towns etc... then came the days when elitists started to wander around towns just to show their shining armor to others to feed their ego.
Main MMO at the moment: Guild Wars 2
Waiting for: Pathfinder Online
The OP is a hater of GW2, you can defend GW2 till the cows come home but he wont change his opinion, his mind is made up, so I'm not entirely sure why he needs to start a thread on a subject that he has no interest in. I do but it involves bridges.
A succinct and accurate answer.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
This ^.
In fact I just logged back into GW1 again yesterday (GW2 made me curious about the first game again), and even though I hadn't played in years, the game was still very healthy population wise, I was able to find a guild & alliance very easily, and people were very willing to help me with getting my HoM achievements in preparation for GW2.
In just a day I went from 0 achievements to 10, and closing in on another 5. The rest won't be so easy, but I was very impressed that people were willing to help me that much. I think people are also understimating the cosmetic grind a bit. There are a lot of people that want that really cool title, or that really cool armor, etc. and are willing to either farm for it, or go through the harder content to get enough items to make the cooler stuff. Some of it is epeen, but some of it is just awesome looking. It's the difference between looking like a scrub in a blue cloak, and looking like an avatar of death & decay.
For those that don't care, it's not essential, but it does look awesome running into PvP looking like grenth's badass.
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
And it doesnt get boring raiding for gear over and over again? Just accept your a carrot on a stick player and move on and enjoy Terra as you intend to do. You dont like GW2 your opinion is respected and accepted, now respect other players who want to play GW2, you won't change my mind I've seen enough to make my own mind up.
While this may be true for you in fact it is very untrue for the majority of people who play MMOs, Less then 10% of most games populations participate in Raiding. The large majority of players are in these games for PVP and Questing. If your in the 10% or less who cannot play a game without someone leading you around witha carrot like a donkey without a brain tehn Gw2 probably isnt for you.
I agree 100% dzoni, i left WoW for the exact same reason, GearScore and the forced to play like others want mentality just soured me from wanting to play. Add to that raiding that felt like a job, and the complete asshatery of the majority of the community just made me quit and never look back.
Lolipops !
"A more interesting game like Tera" is subjective. I find NOTHING interesting about Tera beyond the combat and thats not enough to make me think I'll play it longer than it takes Diablo3 to come out, if I even get it (I likely will but wont play past the first month).
Another flaw of your post is saying Tera will be soley based on skill. No gear grind game will ever be based soley on skill.
As far as what happens end game in GW2? Well, personally I like the looks of gear more than I care about the stats anyway. So long as there is challenging content what does it matter what the stat numbers show? Even in WOW (and Tera will be the same) you LOOK at someones gear and say "wow they did xxx instance/raid, AWESOME". You dont say "SWEET look at thier stats!". The ONLY time you look at stats is when trying to fine tune your character for either PvP or PvE. In which case you generally compare yourself to others at the same tier of the conent as you are.
You want the stats to go up I get it. But I would argue it doesnt matter if your stats are the same or diffrent so long as the content keeps flowing and is challenging. But a person wants what they want. In Tera you will get extra stats and look awesome but dont try to fool yourself to think its pure skill in PvP. In GW2 you will not get extra stats and look awesome and it WILL be more skill based with everyone on a level playing field. Dodging is in both game and both accomplish the same thing, negating damage.
Answer: I really don't know. But I will try it and see for myself if I like it.
All MMOs I have played so far had that gear grind endgame. Have been there, had my fun with it but it became boring. But why not try something new ? I at least will try it and see if it is fun for me. You can do this also. In case you don't want to,the majority of all MMOs got the gear grind you are looking for.
More diversity is a great thing and much to rare in the current MMO market.
I underlined this on purpose of my another conclusion. The top of tragedy that asshatery of community is, that in one point some of guilds started to have requirements like [Lich King slain] achievement, minimum 6.9k GS etc etc.
Endgame Boss slain, an requirement for joining a Guild. Yes. For a Guild. Asshatery in its brightest light.
Main MMO at the moment: Guild Wars 2
Waiting for: Pathfinder Online
This is the part of the post that made me laugh. I'm surprised nobody else commented on this.
Since when has action been the prerequisite for skill?
I guess I missed the kung fu portion of all the professional chess matches.
They should really advertise the action-packed nature of those more.
... or are you suggesting Tera is more skillful than chess? :x
GW2 is DEFINITLY not for you.
But, there are a ton of games that fit your playstyle. I hear EQ2 is going F2P soon.
LOL, thanks for the heads up. Hate wasting time on threads like this. So many folk love working in a game. By all means do it. 99.9 percent of the games have amazing grind.
If you've been playing rpgs as long as I have 15 years, then this is the game that reminds you of what rpgs used to be. You adventured, you did it for the adventure. I got the masamune in final fantasy and didnt care about what weapon or armor came after that, and that was midway through the game. I needed to defeat Chaos, or Kefka or become the Avatar. I always wanted to play a game like this where i didnt have a party but i had friends with me. I remember calling up my buddy and we'd play ultima on the phone together.
Its sad to hear disparaging remarks towards GW (like MMOARPG or casual MMO) by the brainwashed. People who believe that a platform game shoudl only look and play like super mario brothers. They keep asking, where is the fireballs, why can't I jump on people's heads. It's all of a sudden not a platform game because no one's jumping up flag poles.
I played SWTOR for a few hours last night. RPGs, since Gygax and Arneson invented them, have been about players cooperating to defeat the world. But even in a PVE zone, I found myself competing with the few players who were online to play for resources and to complete stories. The other players ignored chats of hi and instead just tried racing me to the creatures we had to kill. It was disappointing. This is what people think a massive multiple player ROLE PLAYING GAME should be.
Ah, another interesting and original thread about how GW2 "needs" gear treadmill. Can we, please, have 10 more threads about this today?
MMORPG genre is dead. Long live MMOCS (Massively Multiplayer Online Cash Shop).
The one thing that makes every other MMORPG bad when it comes to cap PvP is the gear grind and gear balance issues. I for one am very happy this one wont have that issue. Finally, someone who is trying to get it right. So tired of a players skill meaning absolutely nothing in end game PvP, any idiot in the top tear gear can faceroll anyone who isn't. It just kills a game when it is like that, if you dont believe me take a look at SWTOR, they had it bad and made it worse in 1.2 and its PvP players are jumping ship like mad now. It's not the class/power balance thats the problem with all these games that came out over the past 2 years, its the gear imbalance thats doing it. When tier I PvP gear has 100% less of every stat on it from tier III PvP gear, who cares if your powers are all balance. Gear should NEVER play a part in competative PvP, EVER.
But yeah I will agree with the previous couple of posts, the OP is just making another hate thread on GW2 because he doesn't like it. Seriously, he sounds like one of those guys that speed races to cap in 2 days, uses every exploit he can to get top tier gear, then laughs at everyone for months while he farms them without any chance of losing a fight due to his extreme gear advantage.
The point of GW2 IS the leveling experience, and by the OPs own admission, that is the part of the game he doesn't like. SO it looks very simple to me, if you dont like leveling your character, you will not liek this game...period. Move along to Tera then and stop creating threads for GW2...I mean really, what is wrong with you?
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Instead of competing with better gear, you'll be showing off who understands their class and has the most skill with it, if competition is the road you want to go down.
GEAR has always been one of the reasons I've hated levelling up in games. I prefer having control over how my character looks.
Here's the thing, if you want a set of gear you can only get from the toughest dungeon, you can do that and show off the fact that you got the whole set cuz you're a badass.
If however, I want whatever I started in because I feel it suits my character best, then I will be happy to keep it through the entire game.
The one thing we both will want is better stats. You can get the gear for better stats, I can use the Transmutation stone things to give the stats of better items to the gear appearance I enjoy.
I'm very happy this game isn't another gear grinder. I would have ignored the game if it were.
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
Why are you asking people to make "one hell of an arguement" to try and convince you to play a video game? If you like gear grinds and need to be "rewarded" with epics for showing up this is not the game for you. Also, you seem to have gotten lost from the Tera forums and are using the current script of the week for people attempting to flame GW2.
Take, for example, your recent post on the 14th: "because i can tell you right now that guild wars 2 will have maybe a month of gameplay out of it? and yes you can see alot from videos, have a look at youtube, the pvp seems rediculously bulky and inflexible who wants to play that? oh not to mention the instant respawning in dungeons/ nocked down on the ground pve/pve."
Does this seem "open to views"?
"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
Just another person trying to start a battle.
OP: I don't see things the way you do. I do not think you know or speak for the majority of players. And I am glad you can see the future to know that in a few short months there will be that many people playing.
There are 1,481,628 members on MMORPG, and I'm sure there are thousands more who just surf the site. To say there won't be many people playing a game is quite ridiculous. I for one will be playing and quite happy with not grinding for gear.
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PLAYED UO:SWG:EQ2:GW:WoW:CoH:Lotro:AoC:Vanguard:Horizons:RIFT:swtor:Shadowbane and I'm sure a few others
WATCHING:EQ Next : Wildstar:Archage :WoD
WISHING FOR: A UO Remake
HAPPILY PLAYING ONLINE SINCE 97.
Missed it.
Anyway good post Meowhead
But why should people try to convince you? You obviously don't think the game pertains to you. Which it doesn't.
If you need a reward held in your face, this game isn't going to be for you. If you're looking forward to TERA go for it, I doubt it's all skill based though lol.
End game for GW2 will be those HUGE DEs either that reside in WvW or on the PvE side of the game, for those mostly focused on PvE content.
I'll just make it simple for WvW, this is the hook that will keep so many playing. Seems as if you haven't played a great PvP game. And if you say WoW is a great PvP game..... Getouttatown lol. 3 sides changes it all, i can write a huge long paragraph (which i already did twice, then deleted them) explaining what makes it so great, and so much of a hook, but honestly, if you haven't fully expeirenced it, you won't get it. GW2 will hold plenty of people just off this one aspect, atleast thats what i tell myself before i go to bed at night.
The "Youtube Pro": Someone who watches video's on said subject, and obviously has a full understanding of what is being said about such subject.
OP is the problem with MMOs.