Those polls only show there's going to be a lot of broken hearted kids when GW2 releases and it doesn't live up to what they have it built up in their minds to be.
You know it's in beta, right? Like, there are videos online, right now, that show exactly what the game is going to be; hell, a lot of players have even had first-hand experience with the game at this point. It's probably time to stop claiming that the hype is all due to people "building it up in their minds".
Skyy_High, that's what happens when dissapointed/disgruntled SWTOR trolls are faced with reality; SWTOR's undeniable epic failure, and the prospect of other games (such as GW2) out performing SWTOR. Its sad that such a great franchise such as the Star Wars franchise (similarly to LOTR) was converted into such a poorly developed and executed mmorpg. Its what happens when EA Games gets involved and when games heavily depend on the franchise as opposed to the game itself
Did you just imply I'm a SWTOR fan? I've never tried the game or even watched a preview of it. I gave up on the Star Wars franchise over a decade ago. Didn't your mommy tell you what happens when you assume?
I'm simply basing my judgement on years of watching the hype - bust cycle. There are so few games that ever lived up to what fans play them up to be while in development.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own. -- Herman Melville
Those polls only show there's going to be a lot of broken hearted kids when GW2 releases and it doesn't live up to what they have it built up in their minds to be.
You know it's in beta, right? Like, there are videos online, right now, that show exactly what the game is going to be; hell, a lot of players have even had first-hand experience with the game at this point. It's probably time to stop claiming that the hype is all due to people "building it up in their minds".
Skyy_High, that's what happens when dissapointed/disgruntled SWTOR trolls are faced with reality; SWTOR's undeniable epic failure, and the prospect of other games (such as GW2) out performing SWTOR. Its sad that such a great franchise such as the Star Wars franchise (similarly to LOTR) was converted into such a poorly developed and executed mmorpg. Its what happens when EA Games gets involved and when games heavily depend on the franchise as opposed to the game itself
Did you just imply I'm a SWTOR fan? I've never tried the game or even watched a preview of it. I gave up on the Star Wars franchise over a decade ago. Didn't your mommy tell you what happens when you assume?
I'm simply basing my judgement on years of watching the hype - bust cycle. There are so few games that ever lived up to what fans play them up to be while in development.
But can you deny that much of the 'hype' around GW2 is substantiated by the wealth of information and videos, as well as actual player testimonies available?
Obviously there's a lot of hype for GW2 but personally I feel a lot of that was EARNED through show rather than bought with TELL like most mmo's and their marketing.
Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one.
How long has GW2 been mmorpg.com's top voted game still in development? Does this at all reflect the potential of GW2's top status among the other AAA games or is this just another bias poll?
GW2 currently ranks first with 8.75, ArcheAge second with 8.17 and The Secret World a distant third with 7.99
A Poll like this isn't about how good a game is going to be, it is about peoples expectation toward a certain game.
I have been around long enought to know that, expectations about a game that hasn't been released are completely separate from how people feel about a game 6 months after release.
Gw2 has been top hyped game for 2 years now. But that hype is not as blind as some people might think. Everything Arenanet promised is in the game and players had a chance to experience it by themself. Gw2 didn't build hype by releasing some expensive CGI cinematics like some other mmos did.
This. But you know, haters gonna hate.
Yup, trolls will be trolls. I'm confident that GW2 will out perform SWTOR and Rift, question is... how will it compete against the mother of all mmos; WOW. I do not expect GW2 to "dethrone" WOW, but I think there is the possibility it can put at least a small dent in WOW's playerbase
who cares how it compares?
Really does it matter how it compares to other games? Unless YOU are the one looking to further instigate on the forums.
As long as YOU are having fun, it should NOT matter how it compares to other games unless you are looking to start drama in other game subforums.
Well, this may not be a happy truth, but it's a truth nonetheless: it kinda does matter. Less so for GW2, perhaps, since it's a B2P game, but even still, MMOs are put in the unenviable position of trying to make a game that is focused on building a community for players to play with, for hundreds or thousands of hours. That means that, more than any other genre, it actually matters how popular your game of choice is compared to other games. WoW is still where it is primarily because it's so damn popular, and it's hard to move to another game when all your friends are still playing WoW.
So, while it may not be considered good form to criticize other games, it's not going anywhere.
Those polls only show there's going to be a lot of broken hearted kids when GW2 releases and it doesn't live up to what they have it built up in their minds to be.
Did you just imply I'm a SWTOR fan? I've never tried the game or even watched a preview of it. I gave up on the Star Wars franchise over a decade ago. Didn't your mommy tell you what happens when you assume?
I'm simply basing my judgement on years of watching the hype - bust cycle. There are so few games that ever lived up to what fans play them up to be while in development.
But can you deny that much of the 'hype' around GW2 is substantiated by the wealth of information and videos, as well as actual player testimonies available?
Obviously there's a lot of hype for GW2 but personally I feel a lot of that was EARNED through show rather than bought with TELL like most mmo's and their marketing.
dave6660 I never said you were a SWTOR fanboy/troll. Was just stating that SWTOR fanboys tend to troll about GW2 the same way you just did. Speaking of assumptions, you're assuming GW2 will fail. Based on your language however it appears you took offense to my post, I'm sorry if you were offended, but if you are as you say and you are not a SWTOR fanboy/troll, then you have nothing to be offended by. Unless you are a troll, just not a SWTOR troll ;-p
Hype is relative to each individuals expectations. So long as people have reasonable expectations, I don't think that GW2 will fail the way you are assuming it will.
DeaconX makes a good point, most of the hype surrounding GW2 is based on actual gameplay, not on CGI videos as was done with SWTOR.
Those polls only show there's going to be a lot of broken hearted kids when GW2 releases and it doesn't live up to what they have it built up in their minds to be.
Did you just imply I'm a SWTOR fan? I've never tried the game or even watched a preview of it. I gave up on the Star Wars franchise over a decade ago. Didn't your mommy tell you what happens when you assume?
I'm simply basing my judgement on years of watching the hype - bust cycle. There are so few games that ever lived up to what fans play them up to be while in development.
But can you deny that much of the 'hype' around GW2 is substantiated by the wealth of information and videos, as well as actual player testimonies available?
Obviously there's a lot of hype for GW2 but personally I feel a lot of that was EARNED through show rather than bought with TELL like most mmo's and their marketing.
dave6660 I never said you were a SWTOR fanboy/troll. Was just stating that SWTOR fanboys tend to troll about GW2 the same way you just did. Speaking of assumptions, you're assuming GW2 will fail. Based on your language however it appears you took offense to my post, I'm sorry if you were offended, but if you are as you say and you are not a SWTOR fanboy/troll, then you have nothing to be offended by. Unless you are a troll, just not a SWTOR troll ;-p
DeaconX makes a good point, most of the hype surrounding GW2 is based on actual gameplay, not on CGI videos as was done with SWTOR.
No problem, I read must have read it differently than you meant it to mean.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own. -- Herman Melville
How long has GW2 been mmorpg.com's top voted game still in development? Does this at all reflect the potential of GW2's top status among the other AAA games or is this just another bias poll?
GW2 currently ranks first with 8.75, ArcheAge second with 8.17 and The Secret World a distant third with 7.99
A Poll like this isn't about how good a game is going to be, it is about peoples expectation toward a certain game.
I have been around long enought to know that, expectations about a game that hasn't been released are completely separate from how people feel about a game 6 months after release.
So... just by the supposed fact that you've "been around long enough" (whatever that means) we are to acknowledge any credence to your argument? In philosphical terminology, it is a fallacy commonly referred to as "appealing to authority" (or in your case, your own authority). Pretty conceited is it not?
In comparison to recent titles like TOR, I notice that it's hard to find any "hype" coming from ArenaNet in the sense of talking about how good their game will be. You can observe this departure from what's become the norm for MMOs in development by looking through the GW2 web page. While they certainly speak about why they believe their game is going to be good (as any developer should), there's also a lot of other information. Their MMO manifesto and detailed (key word) desccriptions of game features are pretty unique in today's MMO market.
I was surprised at how much information was available for this game at this point. This wasn't leaked beta tester testimonial or vapid statements like "we have the best pvp team in the industry". Rather, the website strives demonstrate the developer's philosophy as well as the concepts their game will try to execute.
I'm going to wait to check this game out until after launch, but I'm definitely excited to try something that seems to be new or different. Is this game being hyped? Absolutely. Every game is hyped. The more important question- and one that's more difficult to answer- is where the hype is coming from and whether or not it's baseless. In my opinion, this game is being hyped by fans and the media. Some people are genuinely excited for this game. Others are desperate to identify with a new and different MMO so they can definitively seperate themselves from games they've come to dislike (WoW, TOR, whatever). The latter group can be found amidst hype for any MMO, and should be dismissed for the same reason. However, I think this is one of the few games in recent memory that you can actually say that there is already substantial information (not hype or speculation) available to form your own opinion.
Maybe you aren't excited about what the game is trying to accomplish. That's perfectly fine. Maybe you are excited about what the game is trying to accomplish. That's perfectly fine. One thing is certain- this game has made available more objective information than most MMOs in development today. That alone should point to a clear seperation between "hypers" and interested patrons; both of which are present in any upcoming game's anticipatory community.
Gw2 has been top hyped game for 2 years now. But that hype is not as blind as some people might think. Everything Arenanet promised is in the game and players had a chance to experience it by themself. Gw2 didn't build hype by releasing some expensive CGI cinematics like some other mmos did.
Very true... SWTOR essentially built its hype around its CGI cinematics, thus misleading the player base. One of the biggest proofs for this is the fact that corporate EA has to finagle their sub numbers and SWTOR is having to merge servers and provide ridiculous incentives (free months) to keep their ever shrinking playerbase. Just a matter of time before a cash shop is introduced in SWTOR (if not already in place) and become a f2p game.
Unless SWTOR aggressively changes/improves its game design, it will only end one of two ways; the way of lotr or tabula rasa.
Misleading the idiots. The actual playerbase was hyped by the story.
In comparison to recent titles like TOR, I notice that it's hard to find any "hype" coming from ArenaNet in the sense of talking about how good their game will be. You can observe this departure from what's become the norm for MMOs in development by looking through the GW2 web page. While they certainly speak about why they believe their game is going to be good (as any developer should), there's also a lot of other information. Their MMO manifesto and detailed (key word) desccriptions of game features are pretty unique in today's MMO market.
I was surprised at how much information was available for this game at this point. This wasn't leaked beta tester testimonial or vapid statements like "we have the best pvp team in the industry". Rather, the website strives demonstrate the developer's philosophy as well as the concepts their game will try to execute.
I'm going to wait to check this game out until after launch, but I'm definitely excited to try something that seems to be new or different. Is this game being hyped? Absolutely. Every game is hyped. The more important question- and one that's more difficult to answer- is where the hype is coming from and whether or not it's baseless. In my opinion, this game is being hyped by fans and the media. Some people are genuinely excited for this game. Others are desperate to identify with a new and different MMO so they can definitively seperate themselves from games they've come to dislike (WoW, TOR, whatever). The latter group can be found amidst hype for any MMO, and should be dismissed for the same reason. However, I think this is one of the few games in recent memory that you can actually say that there is already substantial information (not hype or speculation) available to form your own opinion.
Maybe you aren't excited about what the game is trying to accomplish. That's perfectly fine. Maybe you are excited about what the game is trying to accomplish. That's perfectly fine. One thing is certain- this game has made available more objective information than most MMOs in development today. That alone should point to a clear seperation between "hypers" and interested patrons; both of which are present in any upcoming game's anticipatory community.
Best post I have read in a long time! - well constructed, informative, fair and balanced.
Gw2 has been top hyped game for 2 years now. But that hype is not as blind as some people might think. Everything Arenanet promised is in the game and players had a chance to experience it by themself. Gw2 didn't build hype by releasing some expensive CGI cinematics like some other mmos did.
Very true... SWTOR essentially built its hype around its CGI cinematics, thus misleading the player base. One of the biggest proofs for this is the fact that corporate EA has to finagle their sub numbers and SWTOR is having to merge servers and provide ridiculous incentives (free months) to keep their ever shrinking playerbase. Just a matter of time before a cash shop is introduced in SWTOR (if not already in place) and become a f2p game.
Unless SWTOR aggressively changes/improves its game design, it will only end one of two ways; the way of lotr or tabula rasa.
Misleading the idiots. The actual playerbase was hyped by the story.
Gw2 has been top hyped game for 2 years now. But that hype is not as blind as some people might think. Everything Arenanet promised is in the game and players had a chance to experience it by themself. Gw2 didn't build hype by releasing some expensive CGI cinematics like some other mmos did.
Very true... SWTOR essentially built its hype around its CGI cinematics, thus misleading the player base. One of the biggest proofs for this is the fact that corporate EA has to finagle their sub numbers and SWTOR is having to merge servers and provide ridiculous incentives (free months) to keep their ever shrinking playerbase. Just a matter of time before a cash shop is introduced in SWTOR (if not already in place) and become a f2p game.
Unless SWTOR aggressively changes/improves its game design, it will only end one of two ways; the way of lotr or tabula rasa.
server mergers? really?
And name one company that has not "finagled" sub numbers for their MMO.
Even Blizzard did it / do it.
Hell, GW2 is not even out yet, and they felt the need to stretch the truth about beta sign ups and the length of time it took to get them ;P
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
And name one company that has not "finagled" sub numbers for their MMO.
Even Blizzard did it / do it.
Hell, GW2 is not even out yet, and they felt the need to stretch the truth about beta sign ups and the length of time it took to get them ;P
wow... are you really going to compare a finished product (SWTOR) with an unfinished one (GW2)? A little desperate aren't we?
As far as I'm aware (even though I'm no wow fan) Blizzard has been substantially up front with their numbers, on the other hand however, EA Games has been outright disingenuous with their numbers and thus misleading their playerbase (or idiots as others would describe them). As to your claim regarding GW2's supposed beta finagling, we're talking about a dev company trying to organize beta signups during advanced game development; much more room for error and continuous updates/corrections as opposed to outright intended deception on the part of EA Games. That my friend is called a "false comparison" (or "false analogy"), look it up, you might learn a thing or two.
Your attempt to compare GW2's beta sign up issues with the finagling of numbers is just as disingenuous as the companies that tweak/bend the numbers in order to save face.
How long has GW2 been mmorpg.com's top voted game still in development? Does this at all reflect the potential of GW2's top status among the other AAA games or is this just another bias poll?
GW2 currently ranks first with 8.75, ArcheAge second with 8.17 and The Secret World a distant third with 7.99
A Poll like this isn't about how good a game is going to be, it is about peoples expectation toward a certain game.
I have been around long enought to know that, expectations about a game that hasn't been released are completely separate from how people feel about a game 6 months after release.
So... just by the supposed fact that you've "been around long enough" (whatever that means) we are to acknowledge any credence to your argument? In philosphical terminology, it is a fallacy commonly referred to as "appealing to authority" (or in your case, your own authority). Pretty conceited is it not?
Sorry if you don't learn from the past, (or maybe you are just new to gaming) But this seems to happen quite a bit. A game is going to be released, Everyone says it will be the next big thing ever, six months later the game is losing subs and people are complaining about how it didn't live up to expectaions.
Therefore, having seen this happen in the past, I withhold my judgement about a game until it has been out a while. (Hell, I still haven't tried SWTOR because it is still to close to the release)
When I say, expectations about a game that hasn't been released are completly seperate from how people feel about a game six months after release, it goes for all games, GW2 just happens to be the current game that people are saying will be the next greatest thing ever, after GW2 comes out, it will only be a matter of time before the next, greatest game ever, will be coming down the pike. Rince and Repeat
If GW2 turns out to be that exception to the rule, great, let me know in 6 months.
And name one company that has not "finagled" sub numbers for their MMO.
Even Blizzard did it / do it.
Hell, GW2 is not even out yet, and they felt the need to stretch the truth about beta sign ups and the length of time it took to get them ;P
wow... are you really going to compare a finished product (SWTOR) with an unfinished one (GW2)? A little desperate aren't we?
As far as I'm aware (even though I'm no wow fan) Blizzard has been substantially up front with their numbers, on the other hand however, EA Games has been outright disingenuous with their numbers and thus misleading their playerbase (or idiots as others would describe them). As to your claim regarding GW2's supposed beta finagling, we're talking about a dev company trying to organize beta signups during advanced game development; much more room for error and continuous updates/corrections as opposed to outright intended deception on the part of EA Games. That my friend is called a "false comparison" (or "false analogy"), look it up, you might learn a thing or two.
Your attempt to compare GW2's beta sign up issues with the finagling of numbers is just as disingenuous as the companies that tweak/bend the numbers in order to save face.
So, where is the incontrovertible proof that EA lied about having 1.7M subscribers when they claimed they had them?
Thats what you are claiming right? that they lied, that is what you mean by "outright intended deception" isnt it?
Funny that, as I do not recall seeing anyone from EA face prosecution, I mean, if they had lied as you claim, then that would be fraud, would it not?
As for comparing a finished product to an unfinished one, where have you been? do you live under a rock? how have you missed all the post's on this site about how unfinished SWTOR is? seem's quite fair to compare the two games to be honest.
Nice how you dodged the server merge comment though.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
I cannot wait for GW2. I don't expect it to save the genre, I just expect it to be fantastic, like GW1.
Thats why Im not all that excited about GW2....I found the first one very boring with a poor community......I hope the rumored reports are true that GW2 is nothing like GW1.
im sure they took that into consideration when they made this and learn from mistakes from the past unlike EA who keep making games they shouldnt have a hand in making
How long has GW2 been mmorpg.com's top voted game still in development? Does this at all reflect the potential of GW2's top status among the other AAA games or is this just another bias poll?
GW2 currently ranks first with 8.75, ArcheAge second with 8.17 and The Secret World a distant third with 7.99
A Poll like this isn't about how good a game is going to be, it is about peoples expectation toward a certain game.
I have been around long enought to know that, expectations about a game that hasn't been released are completely separate from how people feel about a game 6 months after release.
So... just by the supposed fact that you've "been around long enough" (whatever that means) we are to acknowledge any credence to your argument? In philosphical terminology, it is a fallacy commonly referred to as "appealing to authority" (or in your case, your own authority). Pretty conceited is it not?
Sorry if you don't learn from the past, (or maybe you are just new to gaming) But this seems to happen quite a bit. A game is going to be released, Everyone says it will be the next big thing ever, six months later the game is losing subs and people are complaining about how it didn't live up to expectaions.
Therefore, having seen this happen in the past, I withhold my judgement about a game until it has been out a while. (Hell, I still haven't tried SWTOR because it is still to close to the release)
When I say, expectations about a game that hasn't been released are completly seperate from how people feel about a game six months after release, it goes for all games, GW2 just happens to be the current game that people are saying will be the next greatest thing ever, after GW2 comes out, it will only be a matter of time before the next, greatest game ever, will be coming down the pike. Rince and Repeat
If GW2 turns out to be that exception to the rule, great, let me know in 6 months.
One thing is to learn from experience, another is to claim wisdom/knowledge simply because "you've been around long enough". Fools and wisemen alike benefit from experience, but experience alone doesn't make a fool a wiseman.
Lately (past couple years), many games that have been released have been dissapointments at various degrees, I'll grant you that. I guess time will tell whether GW2 is an exception or just another dissapointment. Rinse and repeat.
As far as hype goes, you really need to take into account the developer when evaluating a product. ArenaNet delivered a huge success with GW1 that still has a healthy fan base. There is absolutely no reason to think they won't deliver on their promises as they haven't failed to in the past. They need to be given the benefit of the doubt in this situation. People know what they are getting with Bioware games (good on rails story, crappy everything else) and EA (worst company in America). They got what they should have expected. GW2 fans expect a good pvp game and ArenaNet hasn't lost their street cred yet, so I would say it's okay to be excited about this one.
PS Does SWTOR really have fan boys? Still?
Are you a Pavlovian Fish Biscuit Addict? Get Help Now! I will play no more MMORPGs until somethign good comes out!
And name one company that has not "finagled" sub numbers for their MMO.
Even Blizzard did it / do it.
Hell, GW2 is not even out yet, and they felt the need to stretch the truth about beta sign ups and the length of time it took to get them ;P
wow... are you really going to compare a finished product (SWTOR) with an unfinished one (GW2)? A little desperate aren't we?
As far as I'm aware (even though I'm no wow fan) Blizzard has been substantially up front with their numbers, on the other hand however, EA Games has been outright disingenuous with their numbers and thus misleading their playerbase (or idiots as others would describe them). As to your claim regarding GW2's supposed beta finagling, we're talking about a dev company trying to organize beta signups during advanced game development; much more room for error and continuous updates/corrections as opposed to outright intended deception on the part of EA Games. That my friend is called a "false comparison" (or "false analogy"), look it up, you might learn a thing or two.
Your attempt to compare GW2's beta sign up issues with the finagling of numbers is just as disingenuous as the companies that tweak/bend the numbers in order to save face.
So, where is the incontrovertible proof that EA lied about having 1.7M subscribers when they claimed they had them?
Thats what you are claiming right? that they lied, that is what you mean by "outright intended deception" isnt it?
Funny that, as I do not recall seeing anyone from EA face prosecution, I mean, if they had lied as you claim, then that would be fraud, would it not?
As for comparing a finished product to an unfinished one, where have you been? do you live under a rock? how have you missed all the post's on this site about how unfinished SWTOR is? seem's quite fair to compare the two games to be honest.
Nice how you dodged the server merge comment though.
First thing first, I never said that EA Games lied. One thing is to lie another is to intentionally mislead people. By claiming to have 1.7 mil subs (which they do if they coun't inactive accounts) EA Games was misleading people as to the real numbers of actual players playing the game (approx 600-700k).
I believe that EA Games has been disingenuous and misleading by their outright intention to deceive people as to the grim reality of their ever shrinking actual player base. Based on their use of language, it is clear and evident that EA Games is indeed intetionally finagling their numbers.
As to the servers... I didn't comment cause I believe that they are clear evidence of their attenuating active player base, plain and simple.
If I'm living under a rock, you're in complete and hopeless denial. SWTOR has been released, GW2 has not. SWTOR was considered a finished product and sold in stores, GW2 is still being developed (please don't be ignorant enough to compare game release sales with pre purchase/ pre order sales). The nature of mmorgs makes them "ever changing/updating", but you are being outright disingenuous (or hopelessly ignorant) by claiming that an update (1.2 in SWTOR) is equivalent to the pre-release developmental status of a game. For all your incontrovertible use of language, you're making quite a fool out of yourself.
How long has GW2 been mmorpg.com's top voted game still in development? Does this at all reflect the potential of GW2's top status among the other AAA games or is this just another bias poll?
GW2 currently ranks first with 8.75, ArcheAge second with 8.17 and The Secret World a distant third with 7.99
A Poll like this isn't about how good a game is going to be, it is about peoples expectation toward a certain game.
I have been around long enought to know that, expectations about a game that hasn't been released are completely separate from how people feel about a game 6 months after release.
So... just by the supposed fact that you've "been around long enough" (whatever that means) we are to acknowledge any credence to your argument? In philosphical terminology, it is a fallacy commonly referred to as "appealing to authority" (or in your case, your own authority). Pretty conceited is it not?
Sorry if you don't learn from the past, (or maybe you are just new to gaming) But this seems to happen quite a bit. A game is going to be released, Everyone says it will be the next big thing ever, six months later the game is losing subs and people are complaining about how it didn't live up to expectaions.
Therefore, having seen this happen in the past, I withhold my judgement about a game until it has been out a while. (Hell, I still haven't tried SWTOR because it is still to close to the release)
When I say, expectations about a game that hasn't been released are completly seperate from how people feel about a game six months after release, it goes for all games, GW2 just happens to be the current game that people are saying will be the next greatest thing ever, after GW2 comes out, it will only be a matter of time before the next, greatest game ever, will be coming down the pike. Rince and Repeat
If GW2 turns out to be that exception to the rule, great, let me know in 6 months.
One thing is to learn from experience, another is to claim wisdom/knowledge simply because "you've been around long enough". Fools and wisemen alike benefit from experience, but experience alone doesn't make a fool a wiseman.
Lately (past couple years), many games that have been released have been dissapointments at various degrees, I'll grant you that. I guess time will tell whether GW2 is an exception or just another dissapointment. Rinse and repeat.
That is what I was saying. (Except I was saying it about all games not just GW2)
I'm mainly excited to play the game I tried and had fun with last year, that's improving.
No game is perfect, I would like to get a game that can cure my grandma's cancer, I mean shit it'd be nice.
A-NET hardly do hype videos, but they focus more on showing in game even more so than they speak.
They aren't trying to bullshit about most what they seak about.
Example is removing th up scale, they game wasn't released so therefore they still can change it and say it wasn't a promise. They try things out and tell you why they change em or add em.
I wish they could do better pr or explaining with certain things. A lot of what they say is misinterped, funny enough most of what they say isn't hype, more people been trying to make what they say seem bad or negative lol, it's amusing.
Only time will tell if their attempts are succesful, I do appluad them for [attempting] to make an MMO that isn't a clone, I mean I'd say that's another reason they caught my attention, it's like when you play, the game itself tell you "We are not a clone, so tell me...what's your story?"
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Did you just imply I'm a SWTOR fan? I've never tried the game or even watched a preview of it. I gave up on the Star Wars franchise over a decade ago. Didn't your mommy tell you what happens when you assume?
I'm simply basing my judgement on years of watching the hype - bust cycle. There are so few games that ever lived up to what fans play them up to be while in development.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
But can you deny that much of the 'hype' around GW2 is substantiated by the wealth of information and videos, as well as actual player testimonies available?
Obviously there's a lot of hype for GW2 but personally I feel a lot of that was EARNED through show rather than bought with TELL like most mmo's and their marketing.
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
id have to agree 100% with this with out a doubt true
A Poll like this isn't about how good a game is going to be, it is about peoples expectation toward a certain game.
I have been around long enought to know that, expectations about a game that hasn't been released are completely separate from how people feel about a game 6 months after release.
Well, this may not be a happy truth, but it's a truth nonetheless: it kinda does matter. Less so for GW2, perhaps, since it's a B2P game, but even still, MMOs are put in the unenviable position of trying to make a game that is focused on building a community for players to play with, for hundreds or thousands of hours. That means that, more than any other genre, it actually matters how popular your game of choice is compared to other games. WoW is still where it is primarily because it's so damn popular, and it's hard to move to another game when all your friends are still playing WoW.
So, while it may not be considered good form to criticize other games, it's not going anywhere.
dave6660 I never said you were a SWTOR fanboy/troll. Was just stating that SWTOR fanboys tend to troll about GW2 the same way you just did. Speaking of assumptions, you're assuming GW2 will fail. Based on your language however it appears you took offense to my post, I'm sorry if you were offended, but if you are as you say and you are not a SWTOR fanboy/troll, then you have nothing to be offended by. Unless you are a troll, just not a SWTOR troll ;-p
Hype is relative to each individuals expectations. So long as people have reasonable expectations, I don't think that GW2 will fail the way you are assuming it will.
DeaconX makes a good point, most of the hype surrounding GW2 is based on actual gameplay, not on CGI videos as was done with SWTOR.
No problem, I read must have read it differently than you meant it to mean.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
So... just by the supposed fact that you've "been around long enough" (whatever that means) we are to acknowledge any credence to your argument? In philosphical terminology, it is a fallacy commonly referred to as "appealing to authority" (or in your case, your own authority). Pretty conceited is it not?
Back on topic:
In comparison to recent titles like TOR, I notice that it's hard to find any "hype" coming from ArenaNet in the sense of talking about how good their game will be. You can observe this departure from what's become the norm for MMOs in development by looking through the GW2 web page. While they certainly speak about why they believe their game is going to be good (as any developer should), there's also a lot of other information. Their MMO manifesto and detailed (key word) desccriptions of game features are pretty unique in today's MMO market.
I was surprised at how much information was available for this game at this point. This wasn't leaked beta tester testimonial or vapid statements like "we have the best pvp team in the industry". Rather, the website strives demonstrate the developer's philosophy as well as the concepts their game will try to execute.
I'm going to wait to check this game out until after launch, but I'm definitely excited to try something that seems to be new or different. Is this game being hyped? Absolutely. Every game is hyped. The more important question- and one that's more difficult to answer- is where the hype is coming from and whether or not it's baseless. In my opinion, this game is being hyped by fans and the media. Some people are genuinely excited for this game. Others are desperate to identify with a new and different MMO so they can definitively seperate themselves from games they've come to dislike (WoW, TOR, whatever). The latter group can be found amidst hype for any MMO, and should be dismissed for the same reason. However, I think this is one of the few games in recent memory that you can actually say that there is already substantial information (not hype or speculation) available to form your own opinion.
Maybe you aren't excited about what the game is trying to accomplish. That's perfectly fine. Maybe you are excited about what the game is trying to accomplish. That's perfectly fine. One thing is certain- this game has made available more objective information than most MMOs in development today. That alone should point to a clear seperation between "hypers" and interested patrons; both of which are present in any upcoming game's anticipatory community.
Misleading the idiots. The actual playerbase was hyped by the story.
Yes I played SWTOR.
Best post I have read in a long time! - well constructed, informative, fair and balanced.
good point
server mergers? really?
And name one company that has not "finagled" sub numbers for their MMO.
Even Blizzard did it / do it.
Hell, GW2 is not even out yet, and they felt the need to stretch the truth about beta sign ups and the length of time it took to get them ;P
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
wow... are you really going to compare a finished product (SWTOR) with an unfinished one (GW2)? A little desperate aren't we?
As far as I'm aware (even though I'm no wow fan) Blizzard has been substantially up front with their numbers, on the other hand however, EA Games has been outright disingenuous with their numbers and thus misleading their playerbase (or idiots as others would describe them). As to your claim regarding GW2's supposed beta finagling, we're talking about a dev company trying to organize beta signups during advanced game development; much more room for error and continuous updates/corrections as opposed to outright intended deception on the part of EA Games. That my friend is called a "false comparison" (or "false analogy"), look it up, you might learn a thing or two.
Your attempt to compare GW2's beta sign up issues with the finagling of numbers is just as disingenuous as the companies that tweak/bend the numbers in order to save face.
Sorry if you don't learn from the past, (or maybe you are just new to gaming) But this seems to happen quite a bit. A game is going to be released, Everyone says it will be the next big thing ever, six months later the game is losing subs and people are complaining about how it didn't live up to expectaions.
Therefore, having seen this happen in the past, I withhold my judgement about a game until it has been out a while. (Hell, I still haven't tried SWTOR because it is still to close to the release)
When I say, expectations about a game that hasn't been released are completly seperate from how people feel about a game six months after release, it goes for all games, GW2 just happens to be the current game that people are saying will be the next greatest thing ever, after GW2 comes out, it will only be a matter of time before the next, greatest game ever, will be coming down the pike. Rince and Repeat
If GW2 turns out to be that exception to the rule, great, let me know in 6 months.
So, where is the incontrovertible proof that EA lied about having 1.7M subscribers when they claimed they had them?
Thats what you are claiming right? that they lied, that is what you mean by "outright intended deception" isnt it?
Funny that, as I do not recall seeing anyone from EA face prosecution, I mean, if they had lied as you claim, then that would be fraud, would it not?
As for comparing a finished product to an unfinished one, where have you been? do you live under a rock? how have you missed all the post's on this site about how unfinished SWTOR is? seem's quite fair to compare the two games to be honest.
Nice how you dodged the server merge comment though.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
Thats why Im not all that excited about GW2....I found the first one very boring with a poor community......I hope the rumored reports are true that GW2 is nothing like GW1.
im sure they took that into consideration when they made this and learn from mistakes from the past unlike EA who keep making games they shouldnt have a hand in making
One thing is to learn from experience, another is to claim wisdom/knowledge simply because "you've been around long enough". Fools and wisemen alike benefit from experience, but experience alone doesn't make a fool a wiseman.
Lately (past couple years), many games that have been released have been dissapointments at various degrees, I'll grant you that. I guess time will tell whether GW2 is an exception or just another dissapointment. Rinse and repeat.
As far as hype goes, you really need to take into account the developer when evaluating a product. ArenaNet delivered a huge success with GW1 that still has a healthy fan base. There is absolutely no reason to think they won't deliver on their promises as they haven't failed to in the past. They need to be given the benefit of the doubt in this situation. People know what they are getting with Bioware games (good on rails story, crappy everything else) and EA (worst company in America). They got what they should have expected. GW2 fans expect a good pvp game and ArenaNet hasn't lost their street cred yet, so I would say it's okay to be excited about this one.
PS Does SWTOR really have fan boys? Still?
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I will play no more MMORPGs until somethign good comes out!
First thing first, I never said that EA Games lied. One thing is to lie another is to intentionally mislead people. By claiming to have 1.7 mil subs (which they do if they coun't inactive accounts) EA Games was misleading people as to the real numbers of actual players playing the game (approx 600-700k).
I believe that EA Games has been disingenuous and misleading by their outright intention to deceive people as to the grim reality of their ever shrinking actual player base. Based on their use of language, it is clear and evident that EA Games is indeed intetionally finagling their numbers.
As to the servers... I didn't comment cause I believe that they are clear evidence of their attenuating active player base, plain and simple.
If I'm living under a rock, you're in complete and hopeless denial. SWTOR has been released, GW2 has not. SWTOR was considered a finished product and sold in stores, GW2 is still being developed (please don't be ignorant enough to compare game release sales with pre purchase/ pre order sales). The nature of mmorgs makes them "ever changing/updating", but you are being outright disingenuous (or hopelessly ignorant) by claiming that an update (1.2 in SWTOR) is equivalent to the pre-release developmental status of a game. For all your incontrovertible use of language, you're making quite a fool out of yourself.
I am proudly an inactive SWTOR member. I hope GW2 has the kind of open war pvp I am searching for...
haha congrats! I look forward to seeing you in the Mists!
That is what I was saying. (Except I was saying it about all games not just GW2)
I'm mainly excited to play the game I tried and had fun with last year, that's improving.
No game is perfect, I would like to get a game that can cure my grandma's cancer, I mean shit it'd be nice.
A-NET hardly do hype videos, but they focus more on showing in game even more so than they speak.
They aren't trying to bullshit about most what they seak about.
Example is removing th up scale, they game wasn't released so therefore they still can change it and say it wasn't a promise. They try things out and tell you why they change em or add em.
I wish they could do better pr or explaining with certain things. A lot of what they say is misinterped, funny enough most of what they say isn't hype, more people been trying to make what they say seem bad or negative lol, it's amusing.
Only time will tell if their attempts are succesful, I do appluad them for [attempting] to make an MMO that isn't a clone, I mean I'd say that's another reason they caught my attention, it's like when you play, the game itself tell you "We are not a clone, so tell me...what's your story?"
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P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.