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Why You Still Shouldn't Play Darkfall(By the best DF player)
Realbigdeal
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yea but at least you can make the argument that bunny hopping takes skill. i do agree that magic in this game was made a bit too powerful....
You never heard about the bunny hop script?
I do agree that it takes skills, but it has been proven that the script exist and most pro hoppers are using it. This is the reason i hate it.
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I loved DF, but I always hated bunny hopping more than anything in that game.
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Yeah those damn players and there bunny hop scripts.....
It's funny you actually believe that. With all the variables of bunny hopping such as; speed, terrain, if someone knocks you up mid bunny hop, or if you double jump, it just wouldn't be feasible.
Now for water jumping, yeah I could see someone doing a script for that which looks down at the right angle and what not, but even still there is so many things that could go wrong and screw you up. Not sure why you think bunny hop scripts are possible, way easier to push your jump key when you're about to hit the ground.
Not sure why I'm taking the time to even try explaining this to you since you are always going on about bunny hop scripts, but just think of the timing man! You will never hit the ground at the same time consecutively.
I can't tell if you're a troll or if you're just getting trolled, either way think about it!
Oh and if you actually watched the PVP videos of the top players in question (ones you think that use a bunny hop script) you will see that they do screw up quite a bit like everyone else. Takes practice dude, but yeah something should be done so it's more balanced.
Lol, bunny hop scripts exist man. I've been in elitst clans that wants you to cheat with them in order to stay. I was in a french Canadien clan. I left cuz i refused to cheat.
And no, the script is nothing like a counter strike script. Its a lot different. Lets say, you set it to shift plus space. If you hold them togheter, you will jump anytime you hit the ground. The terrain is not a factor with that thing.
Also, there were threads about that scripts. Some players did admit of using the script cuz they thought it was alloud(I'm talking about trust worthy legit players that i know, that would never cheat unless it becomes tolerable like macroing/afk swimming). Some minutes after, the thread got removed and after that day, the devs started to remove every post containing a sign of bunny hop script. It either detect the sound when you land to make you jump again, or it detects fall damage sound effect when you active hit sound detection from your audio.
Also, if you see someone bunny hopping on yssam for so long, something is fucking wrong since its impossible to bunny hop there for so long with that horrible delay. Also, ask arrow expert why he got banned so much and why he had to buy so much characters to stay. The guy in the video got banned 2-3 times. He used to be in a well known hacker/cheater clan and still is. From DHW, to TSL, PP to finally, undourousu. These folks ages range from 30-50.
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Yea lol, bunny hop scripts do exist of course. Not just for detecting when you hit the ground, but also pre-set angles on stormblast for example. There are water skiiing scripts (begone/wof/explosion) with perfect angles.
So many scripts, I'm doubting the other guy has played the game long.
You could fix a lot of Darkfall's issue if you:
1. got rid of surges
2. only allowed one hop after you blasted/begoned/shrapneld
3. remove or change whirlwind to not auto-hit/auto-miss
4. remove underwater archery to gimp aimbot crutchers
5. remove stupid knockups
I'd be pretty cool with the game if you made those simple changes.
Despite my disgust at realbigdeal's defeatest attitude in regards to darkfall he is actually correct about the bunny hop script. Personally, I don't use it but I know it exists and is used by many people, especially the ones you see in videos bunnyhopping forever. A player not using the script will not be able to hop more than 8-10 or so times before they inevitably screw up (regardless of how much they "practice") using the script heading east you can hop forever or until you run into a tree or something.
PS. as far as ages go you are way off dhw/pp/underosou/mar shrall etc. are almost entirely made up of 18-25 year olds i.e. highschool and college kids or recent graduates. Although there are plenty of guilds out there with older players, I believe the median age of a darkfall player is 27 as stated by aventurine.
I still don't see how the bunny hop script works, if it is indeed real. I haven't had a subscription to the game since the end of last year, but I thought you had to jump just before you hit the ground. Before there would be any sound to detect.
On the arrow expert thing, I've out bunny hopped him before. He use to have a house in vakrah (whatever that village is on southern cairn) and he jumped me at the theyril golem. I managed to get away from him by hopping from the theyril golem, past ikzand to the water to the north east and screwing up my hops a lot in the process. I'm not saying he doesn't cheat, but if he's using a hop script it sure screwed up on him considering I was able to get away.
I know people have scripts to look down at the perfect angles for begone, stormblast etc but even still those screw up. I really want to see this bunny hop script to see that it's real. I've played against said players in question, quite a bit and they screw up there hops just as much as anyone else.
Also with delay, that only screws up your initial cast, since your stormblast or begon could take a couple seconds to cast and end up behind you. But if casted correctly you can still jump and move around even with delay, that won't mess up your jumps since it's client side and doesn't depend on your ping.
I just don't understand how there's an all knowing bunny hop script out there can make you hop perfectly under any circumstance that can even account for delay too, doesn't make any sense to me.
Psykobilly, I've played the game on and off since NA launch and I was also invited into the beta and played it a bit. My character is basically completely maxed out, so I do have a fairly decent understanding of the game. But then again I always remain optimistic and when I die I look at things I could do differently to try and improve. Instead of assuming the person who killed me is hacking or using a bunny hop script. But I'm with you on the things that could be changed, though water archery doesn't need to be removed. Would be ridiculous if all someone had to do was jump in the water to be immune... "Oh look I'm about to die," (jumps in water and logs out.)
They have already come out and said that they have ceased working on Darkfall 1 and all resources are working on Darkfall 2.0 the relaunch and everythign in that video is addressed really well.
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(by the best player) hahaha.. what he did not show you, is that I owned his ass and I don't even have max skills.
If before is 1 year ago, trust me, he's way to bunny hop is diffrent now.
Today, he is known as lost one. I killed him in a 2v1; me as a plated destroyer on the grind to be a mage with a crafter in bone armor(That crafter wasnt good at all). That day, he was known as Mata Faka, a character he brought. That character got banned quickly tho. I never saw him failing bunny hops in game when i'm against him and in his videos.
Today, try to chase him with a blue tail runner and 3 players to the north. starting from the south end of cairn to the north end. He won't fail his hops once untill he finds some friends to even up the fight. He will only stop to heal himself up, he deosnt need a mount.
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As for yssam, delays and hops, i jumped too fast on conclusion since i hate bunny hops with passion. The delay doesnt affect the hop, it affects the mobility spells. You would die against a zerg because of that delay plus the fail begone.
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This was back in oct/nov so half a year ago, I stopped playing in december. Nothing has changed since then.
I'm also not sure what you mean by failing bunny hops, do you mean casting the initial spell or the consecutive hops afterwards? Because arrow was clearly failing a lot of hops just as I was when I got away from him. I've also been jumped by try hard and friends at leenspar at center cairn I still managed to out hop them twice. Granted I've died more trying to fight them than I have killed them or got away.
Usually the only thing that screws me up when I'm hoping is when I get a frame lag spike, or load lag. Which happened to me quite a bit, it's not hard at all to jump. I'm not saying said script doesn't exist, but I find it very hard to believe after playing against these players quite a bit that it exists. Surely this script is uploaded or posted somewhere? Especially with all the guys who join and leave BS / DHW.
Also even if this script does exist I don't see what the big deal is, you lose your health fast when you bunny hop and all it takes is a well placed magna to finish them off. If they are running from you, you are either zerging them down or they or going to reset the fight. I don't even see the harm in this even if it does exist, but I find it hard to believe without any proof.
You also mentioned in an earlier post you tried out for a french canadian clan, I'm assuming that would have been ARSNL? Seems weird they would require you to use a bunny hop script to play with them, why didn't you take it and post it for everyone to see to prove it's real. I've seen so much complaining about this script from a select few players yet there is nothing to see/prove that it even exists. Also you didn't want to join them because they cheated, but I've also seen you on your wolf inside a tree on cairn raying cairn giants, hypocrit?
This is just like when a few people were complaining about DHW using a script that casts a heal when you mouse over a green name or a ray when you mouse over a red/orange name. So many things that can go wrong with this, even if it did exist it just wouldn't be worthwhile. It would get so annoying if you're about to finish someone off and all of a sudden a heal starts casting. I know they had a macro that detected if you were about to kill your alt and heal it back up, I have it somewhere on my computer. But since it's plugin or whatever, it's just like a hack and you can get banned for using it if you were somehow caught.
Unless this bunny hop script injects itself into darkfall, and detects the terrain around you and makes you jump just before you hit it, I can't see this script being a reality. Someone prove me wrong? I'm really curious. People say it's real but don't even go into detail how it works, just sounds like accusations to me for losing a fight.
Truth is, i lied. I never tried out for arsnl. A friend of mine said he left cuz of the reason i give. He is the one who teached me how to play when i was a wolf, before i rerolled.
And that bunny hop script do exist and try hard as a video where he hopped 3 times for nothing when he failed to take the begone because it was too far from him. Not only he looked dumb in that video, but it was obvious that he was cheating. Why the hell would you hop 3 times in the same spot for nothing after a failed begone?
On topic, i don't care how good you are and the tactic involve to counter x and y. Bunny hops is something that promotes cheating and its bad for the game. There's tolerable scripts like ray cycle, shield and sword because we all know how bad the gui is in DF and they're common scripts. Bunny hop scripts are not tolerable and the threads about that scripts are instantly removed.(I'm not talking about angle script for begone, storm blast, shrapnel. you'd have to be the biggest(fatty) noob to not be good at that).
On me, you probably made a mistake. If i did use rays on cairn giants while on a tree, that wouldnt be cheating since they can all use range attacks. You probably got mistaken by the golem near dayar. I msged a GM and he said it was ok. If i'm not afk and if i don't farm that way, Its not cheating. Same for bugged spawns. I'm not hypocrite, i'm informed.
Finally, there's a reason i still post here and in the forum. I only have faith in 2.0. All these problem shown in luck's video will be adressed. Bunny hopping below 89 hp will kill you. Bettter yet, falling damage cap... it won't have a cap lol. You will be in a knocked-out state and you will have to wait for the whole timer to revive. Same as if you jump off from calfardar. You will instantly get knocked-out and you will have to wait for the whole timer.
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Care to explain what is happening in that video?The models look better than I first pictured them.
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You can run faster then a mount by bunny hopping for ever with spells and battle spikes(begone, shrapnel, storm blast, fire ball, magma storm, inferno, and battlespike) You heal yourself in between to not get kill by a field aoe. The fall damage cap is 90 only(Not much) and with your self heal cycle, you can manage yourself to not get kill at one hit and to get back to full when you're ready to fight. Only players with 75 in most mobility spells and max hp can fully take advantage of bunny hopping.
CC spells like wall of force and fire ball(knock ups) are terrible for a twitch base game like DF and you can stick an enemy to these cycle if you're 2 vs 1 or more.
Load lag: Its not shown in the video, but when you see the player we're following(itwas luck) silently aproaching on his next target, that target runs away because he felt a load lag. It happens when a player is in the area near him and it gives anyone enough time to run away in safety or to get prepared to fight.
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You guys should realize that the "best DF player" depicted in this video is a tad bit of a crybaby, has been shunned from the game by the population, and is generally all around hated.
Im actually a little disappointed in him, you piss off the population then turn around and attack the game. Terrible soar loser.
Grow up luck
Damn you guys actually still play DFO? lol I forced my way through the trash for about 6months until I came to my senses and moved on. DFO 2.0 is its only hope or its another fail sandbox MMO for the books IMO. Suprised theres even players playing anymore with the way AV treats their playerbase...lol
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That video made me really want to play again. Damn account is having problems . .... think I will fix it now. Thanks for this.
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its perfectly feasable to scrpit a bunny hop if it works anything like bunny hoping in HL1 engined games.
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.
using scripts in Darkfall is a joke. The reaction time isnt good enough. Sure you can bunny hop with a script if nothing else is going on. But what about all the trillion different variations of real combat? no, bunny hopping in real time battle takes skill and a script is only going to f8ck you up at some point in a battle as you try to do something else.
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scripting in that game is one of the large reasons I stopped playing. People get banned and are back in a week on a new account they bought with another maxed our character.
They even post their new names on the forum and on their same you tube account. It wouldn't be hard for AV to figure it out.
The juggle ray script, bunny hopping to move faster then mounts, water hopping macro (move cursor here, wof, begone, double jump, et.) to move faster then boats, arrow script, silent arrows, to heal your partners,auto loot, all with assisted aiming moving the mouse or when certain colors occur in certain places hit this or that, etc.
Then there was the robes with the modified armor ratings. Good idea for AV to have that information client side.
The lag switchers, dissappear when low health reappear full heal, or just lag 20 arrows into someone at a bank.
On and on and on.
Even the rare times when AV does a ban wave it doesn't matter they are just right back on a new character JuiceMan fashion.
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The above doesn't even get into the many bugs that go unfixed and the fact they don't update the game basically at all.
Holy maccaroni, I did take a look at this video and I cant understand how anybody would like to play this.
if you like aim based combat in DF is actually pretty friken fun, or at least the magic and archery part is. the melee is pretty simple and, frankly, uninspired.
the magic sytem is incredibly vast and, short of invisibility spells, there isn't much this game doesn't have magic wise. however, because of the huge range, speed and power of magic it ends up looking and feeling a lot like a funky medieval Halo game.
while it is cool that you can do all those things in DF, magic is quite OP and that pretty much makes it a requirement for pvp.
of course magic isn't DF biggest problem by far. endless stat progression, weak melee mechanics, full loot, and the fact that everyone can max out absolutelye very single skill in the game are the bigger problems. it is still a fun game to play when you are not getting owned by greefing vets taht is.
I actually really like the melee mechanics. It could use some more skill to balance out magic but there is more to melee in DF then most people realize. Most people are no good at it.