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Star Wars: The Old Republic: Subscriptions Declining Says Analyst
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And I was RIGHT about yet another mmo prediction b4 launch. When are the noobs on this site going to open their eyes to good game design and stop mindlessly following and blatantly defending crap games????? Your guess is as good as mine.
But, they wont. This is sadly what the MMO genre has become and is likely to stay as for quite a while. Despite the amount of posts, we ARE the minority that wants the big hard to play and excel in games.
The bulk mass of players don't want challenges, they want instant gratification. They don't want to explore, they want to be told where to go, when and how to act when they get there. Weekend warriors took over the genre and they outnumber us, which means their money outdoes our money.
Sure occasionally we'll get a nugget of hope or a game that promises something of a glimer but in the end, unless it's a niche thing, I personally believe that this genre is stuck here because this IS what people want.
Some of you are going to say, well if it's what they want then why do subs decline? The answer to me is simple. These people with the need for instant gratification are the same people that loose interest because there's a new shiny game coming out that they can go to that'll give them that same rewarded feeling for doing almost nothing all over again.
It's annoying to those of us that want the challenge, that would like to be able to actually accomplish in game to get rewarded instead of simply expect rewards for simply being there.
Anyhow, that's my opinion and I have no expectations that this genre will change anytime soon if ever. It's been stuck where it's at for almost 10 years now and shows no sign of moving forwards at all.
A damn great MMORPG, any noob that thinks it is a single player game you are a joke to the gaming community. It will loose subs, and it will gain subs Just like every mmo out there. Where it is going so strong it is not going anywhere, the game will just keep getting better and better.
Novice member. Number of posts = 1. Mr Lucas, I thought we warned you about this type of thing, haven't you got some classic movies to rui...I mean remaster or something?
I cancelled the second I realized they are dedicating themselves to making a PvP game.
Hmm, we have the only MMO on the market that has a plot and storyline and real decisions and characters. I know! Let's COMPLETELY FUCKING IGNORE THAT and try to compete with the hundreds of other PvP games out there.
My hand and my face hurt.
As expected but I think the sub numbers are already below 1 million and dropping at a rate of 100k/month. Game has simply little lasting appeal, unless you like to reroll alts.
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I'm starting to suspect that some games have kind of a ,"Side Show", effect on people. The outrageous drawings all over the side of the Freak Show tent hype a monstrous creature you can view at your own peril for a mere dollar. You pay and go into the tent to see a 500 pound woman who needs a shave sleeping in front of a television. You leave a dollar lighter and a little cheated.
Ballerinas are always on their toes. Why don't they just get taller ballerinas?
This is a white-knight analyst projection, very probably based on information directly out of the EA boardroom. Honestly, no-one can project the number of subscriptions 1 year in advance with any certainty - and surely not based on numbers from TorStatus.net, hehe. But that is exactly what this analyst claims to have done.
The purpose of such an analysis fuelled with infos from the boardroom is usually to keep shareholders confident. It's a classical tactic. Mix a bit of bad information for shareholders (here: numbers are in decline) with a nice chunk of good information (here: we're projecting 1.25 million subs in March 2013).
For anyone questioning whether the latter is good information: just do the math (1.25 millions subs x 12 months x $/€ 15 per month) and you get a nice chunk of revenue. With that number the bad information doesn't sound that bad anymore. And making bad information sound good was the objective of that analysis from the get-go.
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I'll give it till Fall/Autumn until some of SW:TOR's Low Populated servers become "Trail Servers".
60% of my guild have left the game already since launch with at least 50% of them saying they wont play it again
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The funny thing about this is that, the fans of the game and the people that are Biodrones will do the same thing that the NGEr's did in SWG. The ones that play on one of the few heavy servers will continue to believe and try and prove that the game is healthy and nothing is wrong, even though they will see servers drying up and dieing all around them.
It's funny, SWG pre-cu had 25 very healthy servers back then and once the NGE hit, that was cut down to 13. At the end there were really only a few that had any type of population on them and the game was doomed. TOR has like 218 servers and only a handful of servers that reach heavy or better. The rest sit at standard and light and this game is only 5 months old and we have people proclaiming to everyone the game is doing absolutly great.
I think some people need to stop drinking the EA/Bioware kool-aid.
You're right about the 250 million number. It's speculation. Perhaps EA would be kind enough to release the actual figure and save us all some trouble. That way we can proceed directly to bashing each other with something solid, instead of this wet noodle.
One thing I am pretty certain of though is that it was damned expensive to make. That amount of marketing and voice work doesn't come cheap. Whatever the figure is, I'm sure it dwarfs pretty much every other MMO out there.
if this game moves to 1.25 million subs, it will be an improvement, despite what anything else says.
This analyst fails to realize how much of an impact GW2, Tera, and WoW's Pandaria expansion will have on Swtor.. The numbers will drop drastically.
I agree with Teala but i think the numbers are half of even that....
I couldn't agree with you, or the poster right after you, any more. I'm not buying the 1.25 million figure. For some reason, a buzzer goes off in my head when I read that figure. I would guess, based on nothing but gut-feeling and speculation, that SWTOR would be lucky to have 500,000 active subscribers.
You can easily, and rightfully, call me FOS because my statement is only supported by conjecture, however, I was right about SWTOR not having the initial figures they claimed (1.7 million.)
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From a gamer standpoint, honestly, who cares? Every MMO I have played was made 40k worse by getting popular. I'm not a shareholder or a developer so honestly i could give a rat's if they are sad with their numbers. I casually play the game and i enjoy it still. I don't space bar through convo's and i didn't have any preconceived notions of what i wanted it to be. I think quite a few people fell victim to that and that's too bad.
Either way my point is that i personally don't care what is the popular game or what consensus agrees is the must have game. The mainstream mmo community is horrid. There i said it and i know quite a few that agree. The first month of SWOTOR all i read was some teens lame drug experiences, arrow to the knee jokes, Chuck Norris references and posts asking what is the best x class. If that's what it means to be in the best game....keep it.
There seems to be some players that have some inferiority complex about not being in the "next big game"....i judge by whether i have fun. /shrug
haha this must be a joke, I just recently quit due to lack of quality pvp.
^ Agree.
Me too, and it was a poorly done WoW clone,without basic features any mmo should release with in 2012, it just wasn't going to work. They're trying to please too many people and spreading themselves thin. Even though I could care less about the voiceover/character stories and I'm more of a pvp person, and would never play SWTOR again..I think they should scrap pvp and go with what they do best, because pvp is definitley not it.
What happens when you log off your characters????.....
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pfft, analysts...just some suit with an opinion. studies the jargon so he can run off with technical terms and sound like he knows what he's talking about, when in reality, he doesnt know any more than you or i.
like the stock market analysts....when the market is going up, they are giving you all these technical reasons why they are bullish on the market. it takes a major slide the next day and that very same analyst is giving you all the reasons why the market is in the dumps.
you wannna know about any mmo...ask me!
I like SWTOR, it was a fun game. I leveled a toon to 50 for each faction. I think I got my monies worth. I enjoyed the ride but it's time to move on. It's a themepark game plain and simple. I don't expect MMOs to be religous experiances.
I don't need any analyst after playing SWTOR, I need a therapist!
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