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Tera + Frogster EU Make Game Breaker TV
This stuff has become wildfire with no fire engines.
http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/no-blood-for-you/
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I can't wait till the first group of people sue over the rated M online interactions their 12 year old daughters are subjected to.
Good point haven't thought of that.
I first didn't really got all the fuzz about the censorship. I pre orderd the game but only after playing the CB that was about 4 weeks ago. I didn't really followed TERA until than. Anyway, i didn't get the fuzz, so there is less blood and they censored the sexy outfits of the Eli (or how are those little girls called?). This was all i knew..but after reading one of the reactions in the link i can see why people are pissed off. Removing guild icons cause people made male organs and nazi signs. Instead of banning these people they choosed the easy way out. This can't be good at all if their modderaters rather go easy than doing their actuale job.
After seeing the entire list i have a lot more understanding for the petition. But the petition will be futile. There is nothing you can do against it. Frogster stated they can't change it anymore (read, don't wanna change it anymore). They also rated the entire European version of the game to german standards. Everyone know how redicoulase the german rathing and censoring is. That is why any other game gets different European versions, the german version being stripped down from most content that could be problematic for the german rating. Frogster seems to show they wanna score quick and easy money, censor a game to make sure 12 year olds can play it (means a bigger market to sell your game for) even though the base game never was made for little kids but for 18+ adults. Frogster doesn't want to invest in making different European versions and basicly lied to the fans of the game.
But as someone said, its just a mather of time before someone will question why the box said it was a 12+ game with such content. But lets get real......shouldn't 12 years old being playing outside or with toys instead of MMORPG's? I know that when i was 12 my parents didn't want me behind the computer for to long, nor did i wanna be behind the computer, lego was more fun.
Well actually it seems they are going to change things, or at least they are trying to find a solution for the problem.
Raven wrote on the official board:
Q: There are plenty of discussions about the blood in TERA at this stage, what is the official statement and status about it?
A: The initial statement about this can be found here. We brought this topic up again this morning (Monday) at the upper management level. There will be meetings about it in our company in order to discuss possible further steps. As soon as we have any update on that matter, we'll inform you about it. Please be aware, that it might take some time until we have an update for you available.
Update 2: To give you an update on the current status. We had several meetings today about the blood situation. We came up with different options, which will be discussed with our top management and Bluehole to check out the possibilities. We'll give you an update on the situation tomorrow as soon as possible!
I think that all the mess for just some blood is a little to much, but it's better they stopped them here before they go any further in changing the game.
About the emblems, always from Raven:
Q: What about the guild emblem? Why is it currently not possible to upload a custom logo?
A: This function is currently disabled. We're trying to work on a proper solution with Bluehole. The function was deactivated due to some legal reasons. The current system was abused to upload images which violated certain laws.
Update 3: We’re working on manual approval solutions for this right now. As soon as we have a proper date for you, when this feature will be re-activated, we’ll inform you about it.
Solution is very simple if you want the best for your game. Ban people who use things that violate the law. But the problem is that Europe is a continent and not just one country as the US. Every country has their own laws and forms of censorship. Germany is rather extreme in censoring things like blood and such, where you find no issues in Belgium or Finland for example.
But they will need to judge every case individual. And you have mods for that in MMORPG's who see to it that the rules of the games are enforced. If people are so imature to make their guild emblem a dick then warn them and give them a opertunity to change it. If they don't, then ban the leader of the guild for a period of time and disband the guild. For nazi symbols you need to have zero tollerance, ban all in the guild.
I totally agree with you, the matter is that even a bigger company than Frogster will have problems keeping up with the number of moderators needed to act fast and anyway no one can ban istantly, you'll need to notice it before proceding to the ban and once the symbol is out there the damage is done.
As i already said in another post, it's not Frogster fault if some people are too stupid to be allowed in public.
Thats a bit of a broad over the top statement. I dont think people are objecting to what they have done but to the fact that things changed last minute and without consultation/discussion with the community. They then proceeded to lock delete and shut down communication instead. This is the part that I am with the customers.
People thought they were going to get an honest translation of the korean game not some censored crap. This is what up until a week ago they were going to get when they pre-ordered.
I hope from their meetings they are able to sort it out.
So because some people are to stupid to be allowed in public the entire community has to suffer? Many games alow guild/clan tags. Counterstrike allowed it, APB allows it, many shooters have it. Sure there is some none welcome stuff ammong it. You can't stop that, but it shouldn't be a reason to completely remove it. And in a MMORPG its easyer to have things reported, seeing you probally see a guild tag on a tabard, flag, etc. and easy to spot who's guild it is. Players will report that to the mods. In shooters you have to report it to the server admin but those guys can't do much more then either banning those players from their servers or ignore it. In a MMORPG the mods will get reports. You are right about once its in the open its in the open. But cencoring and removing things because it could be offensive is just silly. In RL people make nazi flags and signs all the time yet not one european goverment forbids sewing or owning paint.
There will always be imature people, sadly they are much older than 18 most of the time and find the internet nice and annomynous (or how do you write it?) so they do these things. But off all the people perhaps 10% is that imature, in APB you see many more great player made content over the dicks and other imature signs.
And of what i understand is that what the poster above me wrote is that this is another thing Frogster has removed from the US version (wanna bet that there as many dicks and nazi signs there as in Europe on the servers?) and not even mentioned before just removed and boom that is it while there can be other solutions.
They are based in Germany and probably german's laws are more restrictive. Anyway they said more than once that it's just a temporary solution.
Don't get me wrong I'm totally happy the community forced Frogster to backoff on censorship, but let's not exaggerate now, the game is not even released, if they are going to remove a function for some legal reasons and they are going to give it back later is not a big dael.
Never realised the game is PEGI 12, i always assumed it would be at least a 16. Poor EU.
Yeah as i mentioned Germany is one of the worst countries in Europe when it comes to game cencoring. They don't allow blood to be red in any game it needs to be green and many games a forbidden there where you really wonder why they are forbidden at all. I can understand that somethings especially in Germany are sensitive and its their good rights to ban such games and things by law. But if you want to be taken serious as a publisher in Europe you shouldn't base yourself in Germany and than publish a game by their laws while the rest of europe are raising their eyebrows with some extremely silly laws for games. I think only the Australlians are worse with censorship in games but they aren't in europe.
And this is the exact reason why in Europe we have different servers. Most MMORPG's have a german server where all the german laws are applied, French servers cause not many france people speak english and they have as law that an x amount of % needs to be in the french language within the media and then there are the english servers for all the other European countries. Maybe they can put another server in the UK or the Netherlands or something to avoid the German laws relating to games so the rest of Europe can play withint the boundries of their laws.
I can imagine the problems Frogster faces but i think when i read the comments of long time Tera fans that Frogster isn't really that inocent here when they decided to do things. I mean why would anyone rate this as a 12+ game, why would they even wanna sell it as a 12+ game knowing they have to change the game a lot. Cause not everything can be blamed to the German laws.
Its ok, they can all just play on the NA server instead =D I know my guildie miss the people from EU server XD
yet they they allow games like dead space and dead island but they have prob with tera....germans..go figure