After I read this post I just gotta say u guys are a bunch of assh*les. All the guy said was his opinion about the games graphics and you attack him like hes making fun of you personally. Whats with the attack on his "medieval rome" statement. So what he doesn't know the exact name of that time in history and you say hes unintelligent.
Anyways, I happen to see a pattern when it comes to games with good graphics vs games with bad graphics.
When a developing company decides to do a half-ass on the graphics I tend to notice they do a half-ass job on the other elements of the game. **YES I know you think the game has uber content but you haven't played the game yet, and ive seen developers lie plenty enough to know that you cant trust anyone!** If they are telling you that the screenshots are on low settings tell them to prove it by putting up a better screenshot and exactly how much will it improve on higher settings?
A company has NO EXCUSE to make a game with bad graphics. Ive seen small companies pull through with better graphics and still get all the features of their game in correctly.
Good graphics are essential if you care about it or not because if you want to have any big battles you need the players to pull it off. Ive played MMOs long enough to know a game with sub-par graphics will not have a big player base. Period. You need to catch the consumer eye with first impressions and these graphics look worse than Anarchy Online which I remember playing (hmm, let me think) about 5 or more years ago! Graphic artists need to keep up with the times and stop releasing these bullshit games.
If they promise they will add content or better graphics after release let me tell you one thing. It wont happen! If it does it wont be for a year or more.
Also whats with someone saying WoW is on a downfall? The numbers have been growing and even if it was declining it would be rightly so considering the games been released for quite awhile now. I might add they have 3.5 million subscribers to the game.
As much as you guys say EQ2 and WoW are crappy games (im not big fans of them either) they are a great game for the people that enjoy that type of MMO. As you can see they have good graphics and they are both top games.
**Go look at the MMOs that are highest ranking, they were all released with up-to-date graphics and even the older ones have better graphics than this game STILL!**
I know my post wont make a difference to just about anyone because most are blinded to much by the feature page to realize that most MMOs these days lie and lie and make their game sound like it has a butt load of content. Never trust the promises of a game developer.
None of you should take this up the ass and start posting attacks on me personally im just telling you my own personal expieriences.
Sorry Ponzini, but we can't control the masses; the same way people will make fun of games on forums with fans of the game, for any reason at hand, so will those people be made fun of by the fans of the game, for any reason at hand.
(edit)-Now that I think of it, you say most MMOs try to sound like they have more content than they really have...don't most console games, too? I think we've all read "Over xx of yyyy!" whether it be mentioning weapons, areas, skills, characters, etc., on the back of the boxes for video games more times than we can count.
If they are telling you that the screenshots are on low settings tell them to prove it by putting up a better screenshot and exactly how much will it improve on higher settings? If you look at Kanoth's post, at the top of the page yours is on, he quoted a post KFR made that with an explanation--and I suggest you also read the paragraph in bold.
If they promise they will add content or better graphics after release let me tell you one thing. It wont happen! If it does it wont be for a year or more. How about a change of pace for once--how many companies have you heard say "better graphics will be in BEFORE the game is released" rather than after? Because RedBedlam has been saying first they work on programming, then on graphics.
Also whats with someone saying WoW is on a downfall? The numbers have been growing and even if it was declining it would be rightly so considering the games been released for quite awhile now. I might add they have 3.5 million subscribers to the game. Personally, I've never tried WoW, so I can't say much about it. However, being that World of Warcraft was launched by a company that already had fan bases for Diablo/Diablo II, Starcraft, and the rest of the Warcraft series, I'd say its not surprising they had so many subscribers.
Finally, to sum it all up, I end by repeating a statement thats been mentioned several times, in one form or another: "We'll know who's right when the game is released, and until then, nobody can know if they're right."
Originally posted by PrJdGmr Sorry Ponzini, but we can't control the masses; the same way people will make fun of games on forums with fans of the game, for any reason at hand, so will those people be made fun of by the fans of the game, for any reason at hand. (edit)-Now that I think of it, you say most MMOs try to sound like they have more content than they really have...don't most console games, too? I think we've all read "Over xx of yyyy!" whether it be mentioning weapons, areas, skills, characters, etc., on the back of the boxes for video games more times than we can count. If they are telling you that the screenshots are on low settings tell them to prove it by putting up a better screenshot and exactly how much will it improve on higher settings? If you look at Kanoth's post, at the top of the page yours is on, he quoted a post KFR made that with an explanation--and I suggest you also read the paragraph in bold. If they promise they will add content or better graphics after release let me tell you one thing. It wont happen! If it does it wont be for a year or more. How about a change of pace for once--how many companies have you heard say "better graphics will be in BEFORE the game is released" rather than after? Because RedBedlam has been saying first they work on programming, then on graphics. Also whats with someone saying WoW is on a downfall? The numbers have been growing and even if it was declining it would be rightly so considering the games been released for quite awhile now. I might add they have 3.5 million subscribers to the game. Personally, I've never tried WoW, so I can't say much about it. However, being that World of Warcraft was launched by a company that already had fan bases for Diablo/Diablo II, Starcraft, and the rest of the Warcraft series, I'd say its not surprising they had so many subscribers. Finally, to sum it all up, I end by repeating a statement thats been mentioned several times, in one form or another: "We'll know who's right when the game is released, and until then, nobody can know if they're right."
- Well im not comparing MMOs to consoles. All games have a problem of putting less features then they will have in the game. (I think consoles are somewhat more reliable at times but never any good multiplayer) But ive noticed games with better graphics are more reliable to have all the features because they dont half-ass on the job. Its just a pattern ive seen again and again.
- Yes theres one screenshot. Its still not that great and its one screenshot. When games have 1 good screenshot and 30 bad ones I want more. I want something to prove they wont get lazy and work hard on all aspects of the game.
- When I said :
"If they promise they will add content or better graphics after release let me tell you one thing. It wont happen! If it does it wont be for a year or more."
I was saying it in general not in regards to roma victor. I just know from many games that when they say they will add it in release just disregard the idea completly cause you wont see it.
- World of Warcraft does have a large Blizzard fan base but its a good stable game. I always trust Blizzard to make a good game.
- True we wont know how the game will be until its released but im always suspicious of developers.
personally I like the graphics... they are realistic... not bright and shiney like many fantasy games. The characters move realistically, and so do the trees and such.
only young kiddies need graphics.... guys my age played games when they were text. I can also guarantee you your not gonna have battles with 2000+ npcs and players with eq2 or wow graphics.
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Originally posted by Ponzini - True we wont know how the game will be until its released but im always suspicious of developers.
Exactly. No one will know how things will turn out until full public release.
As far as the developer comment, you can trust me when I say the screenshots that have been released are not what you'll see at full public release later this fall. I know you don't trust developers, but thats not an issue in my case. I found Roma Victor back when it was Gladius Online (I was wanting to buy a gladius and there was the game). That was in Feb of 02. I was just the normal community member of about 15 active posters. Later on that year, i was asked by KFR if I would like to volunteer to become the first moderator. I accepted. Only till later this year was I actually upgraded to a member of the RedBedlam team. In those years I've grown to know these guys. I've learned that they don't sugar coat things like the big companies sometimes do. They tell you how it is. KFR has said that the graphics in RV will never be better than the big names out there (eq2 for instance). But he has said, that they will improve (as they have over the years), and they will be on par with the average MMORPG out right now.
I can understand being skeptic about what developers say, we've all been bitten before (including me, and most of the RB staff lol). So you give sound advice. All we can do (me included) is sit back, wait, and see what actually comes out at the end of the tunnel.
Originally posted by Kanoth Originally posted by Ponzini - True we wont know how the game will be until its released but im always suspicious of developers. Exactly. No one will know how things will turn out until full public release. As far as the developer comment, you can trust me when I say the screenshots that have been released are not what you'll see at full public release later this fall. I know you don't trust developers, but thats not an issue in my case. I found Roma Victor back when it was Gladius Online (I was wanting to buy a gladius and there was the game). That was in Feb of 02. I was just the normal community member of about 15 active posters. Later on that year, i was asked by KFR if I would like to volunteer to become the first moderator. I accepted. Only till later this year was I actually upgraded to a member of the RedBedlam team. In those years I've grown to know these guys. I've learned that they don't sugar coat things like the big companies sometimes do. They tell you how it is. KFR has said that the graphics in RV will never be better than the big names out there (eq2 for instance). But he has said, that they will improve (as they have over the years), and they will be on par with the average MMORPG out right now. I can understand being skeptic about what developers say, we've all been bitten before (including me, and most of the RB staff lol). So you give sound advice. All we can do (me included) is sit back, wait, and see what actually comes out at the end of the tunnel.
I can second what kannoth has said. While I havent been around the community quite as long as he has, I have been around for a few years. Kannoth was one of the first persons I spoke with when I first joined and he was always helpful. Now that I have pretty regular interaction with the devs I can say they are the most honest and hardworking... and fun... devs I've ever delt with.
I too went through the horizons debacle, ive been waiting for darkfall for 4 years with little to show, I saw shadowbane go down the tubes, and UO change in such a horrible way we dream of the original UO to this day. Compared to the darkfall devs who give people a paragraph or screenshot every six months to throw us a bone and keep us from rebelling... these devs are the best.
_____________________________________________ "Old UO is now but a dream that will live in the hearts of the faithful for eternity."
Think you have what it takes to take the 'Oath of the legion' and become a true soldier of Rome? Service guarantees citizenship!
Oh yeah Horizons! Man I wanted so bad to be a demon or angel. In fact, I think I still have the old map that showed where all the races would start. And then, well, we all know what happened. No need to beat a dead horse.
Originally posted by LordMagnus Originally posted by mechwarrior I read the previews and features for this game. It sounds awesome. Im a big fan of medieval rome. But... Its so.............UGLY!!! Omg!!!1 I dont even know the techinal names for the models and texures its jsut so ugly!!!!1 I'd want to like this game but.....UGGGGGGGGGGGGUGUUGUGUGUG
I'm glad you don't like it. Hopefully people like you and your kind will stay away from it.
His kind? Dam, the guy said it looked awesome he just coulnd't hang with the graphics. And for that your trying to put him and "his kind" down? I think its you that has the problems...
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Originally posted by Kanoth Oh yeah Horizons! Man I wanted so bad to be a demon or angel. In fact, I think I still have the old map that showed where all the races would start. And then, well, we all know what happened. No need to beat a dead horse.
You just go get me my email confirmation you!!!1one!!oneone@ Stop your reminiscing! I have slaves to beat! And villages to pillage! And errr well all the rest of it! I plan on discovering electricity too! What!?! The egyptians already did?! BAH! Ok well I'm gonna invent the internet!! Mwahahaha nothing can stop me! Just have to start working up woodcrafting so I can make telephone poles and smithy so I can make a few hundred thousand miles of wire, and then my alchemy so I can make plastic for the first motherboard! Ok not plastic but a sophisticated epoxy with secret ingredients farmed from camping the hydra! What!?!?! No mythilogical beasts?!?! Hrmm ok well I'll just squash bugs for now and make suggestions, like adding mythilogical beasts with special ingredients so I can make the first computer or maybe a speedboat!
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Okkkkkkk...........what the hell was that!?!?!? Anarchyart...you were alright when you posted that?
By the way....I am appalled by peoples statements such as these in a topic like this one!!
Originally posted by Ponzini
I prefer gameplay to graphics as well but in my expierience better graphics = better everything else.
Ponzini....this shows you have much to say and little have you read or known! Your statement here shows that you have not read any posts in this topic that explain how games are created. How in the world can graphics make everything else in a game better?? You answer me that correctfully, truthfully and briefly and ill send you $20 from my bank account to yours!
I know its your own personal view...but for the love of time being wasted....I hope nobody else replies to your impossible comments! Its just a waste of time cause you don't seem to be reading the posts in this topic with official valid detail on not just Roma Victor but games in general!
By the way in my experience of gaming....sometimes great graphics can screw up a great game with crap loads of bugs and other things!!
No one else comment on this...replying to him is just a waste of time!
Okkkkkkk...........what the hell was that!?!?!? Anarchyart...you were alright when you posted that? By the way....I am appalled by peoples statements such as these in a topic like this one!!
Originally posted by Ponzini
I prefer gameplay to graphics as well but in my expierience better graphics = better everything else.
Ponzini....this shows you have much to say and little have you read or known! Your statement here shows that you have not read any posts in this topic that explain how games are created. How in the world can graphics make everything else in a game better?? You answer me that correctfully, truthfully and briefly and ill send you $20 from my bank account to yours!
I know its your own personal view...but for the love of time being wasted....I hope nobody else replies to your impossible comments! Its just a waste of time cause you don't seem to be reading the posts in this topic with official valid detail on not just Roma Victor but games in general! By the way in my experience of gaming....sometimes great graphics can screw up a great game with crap loads of bugs and other things!!
No one else comment on this...replying to him is just a waste of time!
These replys is mean. Lol.
I'm just getting back to this post. I've never been so popular in the forums!
I agree though, better graphics ussually mean better everything else. Not because better graphics make the game, its just ussualy a sound representation of the game as a whole.
And thanks for the 20 people who repeated that.."THE GAME IS ON LOW GRAPHICS ROARRRRR I EAT BABIES!!!!"
I don't think I could've understanded it with out that. Soooo yeah best to roma victor, I'll definitely give it a try regardless of graphics.
Peace and love.
Bet your not thinking of the hurricane victims are you?
Originally posted by mechwarrior I read the previews and features for this game. It sounds awesome. Im a big fan of medieval rome. But... Its so.............UGLY!!! Omg!!!1 I dont even know the techinal names for the models and texures its jsut so ugly!!!!1 I'd want to like this game but.....UGGGGGGGGGGGGUGUUGUGUGUG
I'm glad you don't like it. Hopefully people like you and your kind will stay away from it.
His kind? Dam, the guy said it looked awesome he just coulnd't hang with the graphics. And for that your trying to put him and "his kind" down? I think its you that has the problems...
I just saw this....thanks fadeus!
Also whats this new revenue model they're talking about?
I understand as theirs no monthly fee but you have to pay real money for fake money?
I know I've got this wrong. Some one set me straight.
Sorry, yeah I was a bit mean especially telling everyone to ignore him, but seriously...it was like a waste of time trying to explain to him that graphics always come last. The reason graphics come last is because graphics don't make a game, they compliment it! Better graphics never ever will mean better everything else.....only people without taste would ever believe that! A game is made by the rules and features it possesses.
Im going to just mention WWIIOnline! Great game amazing....the rules the everything!!! Sound was superb and watching dog fights going on in the sky was just cool. 1 gameworld (no zones) and you could hear everything...the game was fun as hell doing anything you could imagine doing as a soldier in wwii including going behind enemy lines in a glyder for stealthy landings and even paratrooper mission. The only thing is the graphics and the game engine itself sucked!!!! They still do!! but the game is just so great, the community is great and its just incredibly popular.....a game should never be judged by its graphics.
The best games don't need the best graphics to be the best! Actually the best game developers have graphics at the bottom of their list for a reason....they are the easiest part of making the game. Take
DnL for instance, the gameworld itself looks amazing, but the graphics of the world are fabulous and now the character models are comming nicely aswell....but the actual game play and rules and everything are a major mess....the game is definitley over hyped, mainly because its FAQ features a lot of things people would like in a game!
But DnL will definitley fail, 2 reasons...1 they focus more on the look of the game then the gameplay.. proof is in their forums, not much detail on what to expect..2 they don't keep contact with the community....now most of the things you hear about, if they are not officially announced are just forum rumours.
I hope you understand how little of importance graphics have in a game....never judge a game by its graphics or think its better because of its graphics. Asheron's Call 2 had better graphics.....they just called it quits for the game now, because there just were not enough subscribers.
Anyway I agree with what you said in your first post, that this game sounds awesome, if you read the official forums you will definitley be looking forward to this game. Everything they mentioned in the FAQ of their website will be featured in release!
I know the graphics are crap, but once you settle into them it is truely an amazing game. We had the funnest time of our lives deffending towns from nearly 100s of Krauts with only 30 - 40 men. The amount of luftwaffe they sometimes sent, you couldn't believe! 20 or so planes in the sky bombing the hell out of us....when it happend once, a fighter plane got hit by our bofors (anti air gun) and falling through right into me...on fire, in pieces...it was actually the cockpit heading into me...and I could have died if it hit me lol....just ran the hell out from where I was lol to a little ditch.
Its a game where quality of everything doesn't come in because what you experience is like no other MMORPG out there. I don't know about lag....I didn't encounter any, just FPS lag sometimes, but on the forums they had a way to fix that.
I *really* don't care about graphics as long as the fps is good and the gameplay absorbs who cares about graphics? It helps no-one if graphics are amazing but there is no gameplay a la guild wars or saga of ryzom, I mean if you look at runescape it's atrocious graphics with nearly 400,000 players!
I really love the ideas behind RV and can't wait for it to launch with all the eye-candy lovers out the way we're gonna have a lot of fun.
Well I think your dream is going to crash.....RV developers stated that they intend to include the the standarf graphics for a game during its release. That meas the game will attract people who love eye candy!
Sorry anderman....be aware that the graphics currently, will be improving.
Lol so don't think that we won't have some annoying kids in the game complaining about the game being too hard.
Actually if your real good you only need 1 click , but the only prob i have with the screenys so far is that most of the legionarys look alike.. but if they change that ill deff look into it when it comes out, need a good pvp game, wow just doesnt do it and eq2 is just boring.. im really waiting for DF but IF/When it comes out that should be good game, but till then i need somthing to hold me for a bit.. too bad this game ppl can use real life money just to be good in the game, they can just buy a mega huge house with lots of guards
I think people show how much they truely know when they make statements like these without really researching what they are making statements about. For all I know Millbro, you could be talking about another game, because the developers of Roma Victor stated that there will be a limit to how much we can be given "ingame curreny". They said just enough to help us with our expenses, but not enough to make us powerful.
In this game, money = power, but the limit doesn't reach that sort of amount of money.....you have to make it with the money you currently have. And ofcourse all the freeloaders will have the tough time of starting from scratch without any money what so ever....which is pretty hard work, but it will atleast limit the rich and powerful from the poor. Not too many powerful people in the same gameworld makes it a more realistic and nicer atmosphere!
As for the same faces....again, lack of reading, yes faces are all the same, but after devs admitted that, I read that them also admitting that they plan to include a character customiser last. Its one of the easiest things to do, thats why and they have bigger problems. At the moment they don't care a thing about marketing, they stated that its a waste of money. And its true, their loyal community has gained the attention of everyone else, even mine in the begining. As for graphics, yes they will improve greatly aswell!
Edit: by the way the developers of Darkfall have given me a massive impression that the game is going to suck. The only thing great about it is the features and that its set in the fantasy genre, but then Roma Victor just has as much as that game....and more, except Roma Victor does not offer Sea Battles yet, because they have not been implemented, nor does it have magic, for obvious reasons. We have prayer and healing, thats all really. As for Darkfall, its already shown that the Developers of the game are taking the easy route, they are planning to make the graphics really low, lower then Roma Victors, lower then any game's being released. Its going to be handled by GF4 gfx card. They made the excuse of players getting high FPS, but really they don't want to spend too much time fixing FPS in the game, so they just make it high, by not having great graphics.
how much reserch do you need to do i read the whole faq on the main website... and looking through the forum never read that they are doing all that.. so im not just taking cheap shots at the game.. but it would be great if the graphics were as good as gods and heros.. thos look pretty good, if the 2 were put together, G&H's graphics and RV gameplay would be one awsome game it looks like, just hope the graphics get alot better!
I know the game is going to look good enough upon release, and I don't care about graphics too much anyway, but I am concerned with the "solidness" of the game as far as graphics. It looks clunky with char movement that is not fluid but blocky. Kind of hard to explain, but I am very concerned about how fluid movement such as running and fighting is. I guess only time will tell since the current vids are low fps and there is nothing high fps yet.
Anyway to the guy supporting Gods and Heroes graphics, those are just screenshots. I find screenshots with amazing graphics to be incredibly deceitful, because they are screenshots with all everything turned to the highest and max graphics rate....with incredibly slow fps, and then they take the screenshot. To make it look more nice to you eye candy lovers, they then polish it, make it look all shiney and blah blah blah. Untill you see moveies and demos of the actual graphics you could never tell what the graphics will really be like.
Now as for the graphics of Roma Victor...the developer team stated they don't really care for marketing or impressing the community with fancy eye candy screenshots. They promised good clear graphics and a great game. Now from what I read in the forums and when I asked the beta testers, how they enjoy testing the game....their feedback was extremely positive. I think we are safe to agree that Red Bedlam has created a great game, as they promised. Now they stated that including better graphics was the easy part...and that they just made the graphics good enough to make it easier for beta testers. They stated when its time to take care of the graphics, they will take care of them and they sounded quite confident that they will manage to get them to be standard graphics for an MMORPG, being released today. If they do that...it would incredible.
The difficulty of mixing great graphics with this type of gameplay isn't easy! The problem is the game is all real time...including the combat...so if you expect great graphics, you expect low fps. This is what I am still concerned about...but if you try to find posts about low fps issues I am sure there is something to answer your questions. But just understand, its not easy making a game with twitch style combat....this is why most mega corps avoided it.
Laserwolf as for the movies, KFR or Kanoth stated those were like 2 or 3 years old, in Pre-Alpha!. Personally I think they weren't bad for Pre-Alpha models!!! As for screenshots...they stated that there were some problems....which they promised they will fix. And that the graphics will be improved at a later stage, comming towards release.
Well unless everyone is using a anchient system you should be able to play a game with great graphics and still get a good fps.. i get around 120 fps with doom3 and everything maxed out.. the only thing i worry about is the servers not being able to keep up and you get server lag, that cant be solved on your end.. i know its a little diff with mmo's compared to first person shooters with the frame rates. i just need a game now thats good, ive been really trying to keep myself busy with wow and eq2 but there not fun anymore it seems... eq2 is just too dull..
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After I read this post I just gotta say u guys are a bunch of assh*les. All the guy said was his opinion about the games graphics and you attack him like hes making fun of you personally. Whats with the attack on his "medieval rome" statement. So what he doesn't know the exact name of that time in history and you say hes unintelligent.
Anyways, I happen to see a pattern when it comes to games with good graphics vs games with bad graphics.
When a developing company decides to do a half-ass on the graphics I tend to notice they do a half-ass job on the other elements of the game. **YES I know you think the game has uber content but you haven't played the game yet, and ive seen developers lie plenty enough to know that you cant trust anyone!** If they are telling you that the screenshots are on low settings tell them to prove it by putting up a better screenshot and exactly how much will it improve on higher settings?
A company has NO EXCUSE to make a game with bad graphics. Ive seen small companies pull through with better graphics and still get all the features of their game in correctly.
Good graphics are essential if you care about it or not because if you want to have any big battles you need the players to pull it off. Ive played MMOs long enough to know a game with sub-par graphics will not have a big player base. Period. You need to catch the consumer eye with first impressions and these graphics look worse than Anarchy Online which I remember playing (hmm, let me think) about 5 or more years ago! Graphic artists need to keep up with the times and stop releasing these bullshit games.
If they promise they will add content or better graphics after release let me tell you one thing. It wont happen! If it does it wont be for a year or more.
Also whats with someone saying WoW is on a downfall? The numbers have been growing and even if it was declining it would be rightly so considering the games been released for quite awhile now. I might add they have 3.5 million subscribers to the game.
As much as you guys say EQ2 and WoW are crappy games (im not big fans of them either) they are a great game for the people that enjoy that type of MMO. As you can see they have good graphics and they are both top games.
**Go look at the MMOs that are highest ranking, they were all released with up-to-date graphics and even the older ones have better graphics than this game STILL!**
I know my post wont make a difference to just about anyone because most are blinded to much by the feature page to realize that most MMOs these days lie and lie and make their game sound like it has a butt load of content. Never trust the promises of a game developer.
None of you should take this up the ass and start posting attacks on me personally im just telling you my own personal expieriences.
Sorry Ponzini, but we can't control the masses; the same way people will make fun of games on forums with fans of the game, for any reason at hand, so will those people be made fun of by the fans of the game, for any reason at hand.
(edit)-Now that I think of it, you say most MMOs try to sound like they have more content than they really have...don't most console games, too? I think we've all read "Over xx of yyyy!" whether it be mentioning weapons, areas, skills, characters, etc., on the back of the boxes for video games more times than we can count.
If they are telling you that the screenshots are on low settings tell them to prove it by putting up a better screenshot and exactly how much will it improve on higher settings?
If you look at Kanoth's post, at the top of the page yours is on, he quoted a post KFR made that with an explanation--and I suggest you also read the paragraph in bold.
If they promise they will add content or better graphics after release let me tell you one thing. It wont happen! If it does it wont be for a year or more.
How about a change of pace for once--how many companies have you heard say "better graphics will be in BEFORE the game is released" rather than after? Because RedBedlam has been saying first they work on programming, then on graphics.
Also whats with someone saying WoW is on a downfall? The numbers have been growing and even if it was declining it would be rightly so considering the games been released for quite awhile now. I might add they have 3.5 million subscribers to the game.
Personally, I've never tried WoW, so I can't say much about it. However, being that World of Warcraft was launched by a company that already had fan bases for Diablo/Diablo II, Starcraft, and the rest of the Warcraft series, I'd say its not surprising they had so many subscribers.
Finally, to sum it all up, I end by repeating a statement thats been mentioned several times, in one form or another: "We'll know who's right when the game is released, and until then, nobody can know if they're right."
- Well im not comparing MMOs to consoles. All games have a problem of putting less features then they will have in the game. (I think consoles are somewhat more reliable at times but never any good multiplayer) But ive noticed games with better graphics are more reliable to have all the features because they dont half-ass on the job. Its just a pattern ive seen again and again.
- Yes theres one screenshot. Its still not that great and its one screenshot. When games have 1 good screenshot and 30 bad ones I want more. I want something to prove they wont get lazy and work hard on all aspects of the game.
- When I said :
"If they promise they will add content or better graphics after release let me tell you one thing. It wont happen! If it does it wont be for a year or more."
I was saying it in general not in regards to roma victor. I just know from many games that when they say they will add it in release just disregard the idea completly cause you wont see it.
- World of Warcraft does have a large Blizzard fan base but its a good stable game. I always trust Blizzard to make a good game.
- True we wont know how the game will be until its released but im always suspicious of developers.
personally I like the graphics... they are realistic... not bright and shiney like many fantasy games. The characters move realistically, and so do the trees and such.
only young kiddies need graphics.... guys my age played games when they were text. I can also guarantee you your not gonna have battles with 2000+ npcs and players with eq2 or wow graphics.
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"Old UO is now but a dream that will live in the hearts of the faithful for eternity."
Think you have what it takes to take the 'Oath of the legion' and become a true soldier of Rome?
Service guarantees citizenship!
Exactly. No one will know how things will turn out until full public release.
As far as the developer comment, you can trust me when I say the screenshots that have been released are not what you'll see at full public release later this fall. I know you don't trust developers, but thats not an issue in my case. I found Roma Victor back when it was Gladius Online (I was wanting to buy a gladius and there was the game). That was in Feb of 02. I was just the normal community member of about 15 active posters. Later on that year, i was asked by KFR if I would like to volunteer to become the first moderator. I accepted. Only till later this year was I actually upgraded to a member of the RedBedlam team. In those years I've grown to know these guys. I've learned that they don't sugar coat things like the big companies sometimes do. They tell you how it is. KFR has said that the graphics in RV will never be better than the big names out there (eq2 for instance). But he has said, that they will improve (as they have over the years), and they will be on par with the average MMORPG out right now.
I can understand being skeptic about what developers say, we've all been bitten before (including me, and most of the RB staff lol). So you give sound advice. All we can do (me included) is sit back, wait, and see what actually comes out at the end of the tunnel.
"Rome wasn't coded in a day"
- Kanoth
I prefer gameplay to graphics as well but in my expierience better graphics = better everything else.
Ok ill keep watching to see what happens before release. Good luck.
I can second what kannoth has said. While I havent been around the community quite as long as he has, I have been around for a few years. Kannoth was one of the first persons I spoke with when I first joined and he was always helpful. Now that I have pretty regular interaction with the devs I can say they are the most honest and hardworking... and fun... devs I've ever delt with.
I too went through the horizons debacle, ive been waiting for darkfall for 4 years with little to show, I saw shadowbane go down the tubes, and UO change in such a horrible way we dream of the original UO to this day. Compared to the darkfall devs who give people a paragraph or screenshot every six months to throw us a bone and keep us from rebelling... these devs are the best.
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"Old UO is now but a dream that will live in the hearts of the faithful for eternity."
Think you have what it takes to take the 'Oath of the legion' and become a true soldier of Rome?
Service guarantees citizenship!
"Rome wasn't coded in a day"
- Kanoth
I'm glad you don't like it. Hopefully people like you and your kind will stay away from it.
His kind? Dam, the guy said it looked awesome he just coulnd't hang with the graphics. And for that your trying to put him and "his kind" down? I think its you that has the problems...
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
You just go get me my email confirmation you!!!1one!!oneone@ Stop your reminiscing! I have slaves to beat! And villages to pillage! And errr well all the rest of it! I plan on discovering electricity too! What!?! The egyptians already did?! BAH! Ok well I'm gonna invent the internet!! Mwahahaha nothing can stop me! Just have to start working up woodcrafting so I can make telephone poles and smithy so I can make a few hundred thousand miles of wire, and then my alchemy so I can make plastic for the first motherboard! Ok not plastic but a sophisticated epoxy with secret ingredients farmed from camping the hydra! What!?!?! No mythilogical beasts?!?! Hrmm ok well I'll just squash bugs for now and make suggestions, like adding mythilogical beasts with special ingredients so I can make the first computer or maybe a speedboat!
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No one else comment on this...replying to him is just a waste of time!
No one else comment on this...replying to him is just a waste of time!
These replys is mean. Lol.
I'm just getting back to this post. I've never been so popular in the forums!
I agree though, better graphics ussually mean better everything else. Not because better graphics make the game, its just ussualy a sound representation of the game as a whole.
And thanks for the 20 people who repeated that.."THE GAME IS ON LOW GRAPHICS ROARRRRR I EAT BABIES!!!!"
I don't think I could've understanded it with out that. Soooo yeah best to roma victor, I'll definitely give it a try regardless of graphics.
Peace and love.
Bet your not thinking of the hurricane victims are you?
You are now.
I'm glad you don't like it. Hopefully people like you and your kind will stay away from it.
His kind? Dam, the guy said it looked awesome he just coulnd't hang with the graphics. And for that your trying to put him and "his kind" down? I think its you that has the problems...
I just saw this....thanks fadeus!
Also whats this new revenue model they're talking about?
I understand as theirs no monthly fee but you have to pay real money for fake money?
I know I've got this wrong. Some one set me straight.
Sorry, yeah I was a bit mean especially telling everyone to ignore him, but seriously...it was like a waste of time trying to explain to him that graphics always come last. The reason graphics come last is because graphics don't make a game, they compliment it! Better graphics never ever will mean better everything else.....only people without taste would ever believe that! A game is made by the rules and features it possesses.
Im going to just mention WWIIOnline! Great game amazing....the rules the everything!!! Sound was superb and watching dog fights going on in the sky was just cool. 1 gameworld (no zones) and you could hear everything...the game was fun as hell doing anything you could imagine doing as a soldier in wwii including going behind enemy lines in a glyder for stealthy landings and even paratrooper mission. The only thing is the graphics and the game engine itself sucked!!!! They still do!! but the game is just so great, the community is great and its just incredibly popular.....a game should never be judged by its graphics.
The best games don't need the best graphics to be the best! Actually the best game developers have graphics at the bottom of their list for a reason....they are the easiest part of making the game. Take
DnL for instance, the gameworld itself looks amazing, but the graphics of the world are fabulous and now the character models are comming nicely aswell....but the actual game play and rules and everything are a major mess....the game is definitley over hyped, mainly because its FAQ features a lot of things people would like in a game!
But DnL will definitley fail, 2 reasons...1 they focus more on the look of the game then the gameplay.. proof is in their forums, not much detail on what to expect..2 they don't keep contact with the community....now most of the things you hear about, if they are not officially announced are just forum rumours.
I hope you understand how little of importance graphics have in a game....never judge a game by its graphics or think its better because of its graphics. Asheron's Call 2 had better graphics.....they just called it quits for the game now, because there just were not enough subscribers.
Anyway I agree with what you said in your first post, that this game sounds awesome, if you read the official forums you will definitley be looking forward to this game. Everything they mentioned in the FAQ of their website will be featured in release!
Every time I hear about ww2 I think of stale pretzels.
When I tried it, i was eating stale pretzels.
It lagged and such the hell outa me. nice concept. can't really say i played it.
Glad you like it though
I know the graphics are crap, but once you settle into them it is truely an amazing game. We had the funnest time of our lives deffending towns from nearly 100s of Krauts with only 30 - 40 men. The amount of luftwaffe they sometimes sent, you couldn't believe! 20 or so planes in the sky bombing the hell out of us....when it happend once, a fighter plane got hit by our bofors (anti air gun) and falling through right into me...on fire, in pieces...it was actually the cockpit heading into me...and I could have died if it hit me lol....just ran the hell out from where I was lol to a little ditch.
Its a game where quality of everything doesn't come in because what you experience is like no other MMORPG out there. I don't know about lag....I didn't encounter any, just FPS lag sometimes, but on the forums they had a way to fix that.
I *really* don't care about graphics as long as the fps is good and the gameplay absorbs who cares about graphics? It helps no-one if graphics are amazing but there is no gameplay a la guild wars or saga of ryzom, I mean if you look at runescape it's atrocious graphics with nearly 400,000 players!
I really love the ideas behind RV and can't wait for it to launch with all the eye-candy lovers out the way we're gonna have a lot of fun.
-A
Well I think your dream is going to crash.....RV developers stated that they intend to include the the standarf graphics for a game during its release. That meas the game will attract people who love eye candy!
Sorry anderman....be aware that the graphics currently, will be improving.
Lol so don't think that we won't have some annoying kids in the game complaining about the game being too hard.
Heh, I can just see someone going "This game sucks, you have to click more than once to fight!"
I think people show how much they truely know when they make statements like these without really researching what they are making statements about. For all I know Millbro, you could be talking about another game, because the developers of Roma Victor stated that there will be a limit to how much we can be given "ingame curreny". They said just enough to help us with our expenses, but not enough to make us powerful.
In this game, money = power, but the limit doesn't reach that sort of amount of money.....you have to make it with the money you currently have. And ofcourse all the freeloaders will have the tough time of starting from scratch without any money what so ever....which is pretty hard work, but it will atleast limit the rich and powerful from the poor. Not too many powerful people in the same gameworld makes it a more realistic and nicer atmosphere!
As for the same faces....again, lack of reading, yes faces are all the same, but after devs admitted that, I read that them also admitting that they plan to include a character customiser last. Its one of the easiest things to do, thats why and they have bigger problems. At the moment they don't care a thing about marketing, they stated that its a waste of money. And its true, their loyal community has gained the attention of everyone else, even mine in the begining. As for graphics, yes they will improve greatly aswell!
Edit: by the way the developers of Darkfall have given me a massive impression that the game is going to suck. The only thing great about it is the features and that its set in the fantasy genre, but then Roma Victor just has as much as that game....and more, except Roma Victor does not offer Sea Battles yet, because they have not been implemented, nor does it have magic, for obvious reasons. We have prayer and healing, thats all really. As for Darkfall, its already shown that the Developers of the game are taking the easy route, they are planning to make the graphics really low, lower then Roma Victors, lower then any game's being released. Its going to be handled by GF4 gfx card. They made the excuse of players getting high FPS, but really they don't want to spend too much time fixing FPS in the game, so they just make it high, by not having great graphics.
Anyway to the guy supporting Gods and Heroes graphics, those are just screenshots. I find screenshots with amazing graphics to be incredibly deceitful, because they are screenshots with all everything turned to the highest and max graphics rate....with incredibly slow fps, and then they take the screenshot. To make it look more nice to you eye candy lovers, they then polish it, make it look all shiney and blah blah blah. Untill you see moveies and demos of the actual graphics you could never tell what the graphics will really be like.
Now as for the graphics of Roma Victor...the developer team stated they don't really care for marketing or impressing the community with fancy eye candy screenshots. They promised good clear graphics and a great game. Now from what I read in the forums and when I asked the beta testers, how they enjoy testing the game....their feedback was extremely positive. I think we are safe to agree that Red Bedlam has created a great game, as they promised. Now they stated that including better graphics was the easy part...and that they just made the graphics good enough to make it easier for beta testers. They stated when its time to take care of the graphics, they will take care of them and they sounded quite confident that they will manage to get them to be standard graphics for an MMORPG, being released today. If they do that...it would incredible.
The difficulty of mixing great graphics with this type of gameplay isn't easy! The problem is the game is all real time...including the combat...so if you expect great graphics, you expect low fps. This is what I am still concerned about...but if you try to find posts about low fps issues I am sure there is something to answer your questions. But just understand, its not easy making a game with twitch style combat....this is why most mega corps avoided it.
Laserwolf as for the movies, KFR or Kanoth stated those were like 2 or 3 years old, in Pre-Alpha!. Personally I think they weren't bad for Pre-Alpha models!!! As for screenshots...they stated that there were some problems....which they promised they will fix. And that the graphics will be improved at a later stage, comming towards release.