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There is no "new" MMO

ShaddyDaddyShaddyDaddy Member UncommonPosts: 193
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It is interesting how much people are clamoring for a MMO that is something “new”. I put new in parenthesis because, to be honest, there is no way you can create something that is “new”. “Trollololol!!!!”, I see already being the response. Let me ask you this. Everything you have ever experienced. Everything you have ever felt. It directly influences how you are and how you interact with your environment.

Books are the same. Fantasy, Sci-Fi. All the books you see now are just re-wrote drivel of the old timers that came before them. “But Shaddy!”, I can hear you screaming, “ Original writing's were based off of imagination and things that they had never seen or experienced!” Not true. They were based off of stories and tales they were told as a child. Fantasy is nothing more than a re-writing of stories told back to the children of yore by people that didn't understand things that were discovered and happening around them. Fairies? Lets shrink a person, put wings on them, and make them do things that I can't explain. The same can be said for Sci-Fi. People took technology at the time and added a splash of fantasy to it. Lets create a boat that can fly to the stars!!! What if the clock on my wall could talk to me!! It is all based on something they already knew or experienced.

Not convinced yet? Close your eyes. Think deep. Take everything you have ever known, experienced or been taught. Now.......... Create a new color. Brand new. Not based off of any color you already know. Can't do it can you? Why? Because humans can't create something from nothing. So quit clamoring for a “new, fresh, never been seen before” MMO. It isn't gonna happen. What you are going to get... Let me re-phrase that with caps. WHAT you are going to get is MMO's that are built off of old ones and trying to evolve into something more fulfilling to the present day person. Everything we play is based off the first MMO's. It's a evolution of gaming that will never stop. There won't be any drastic changes to it because it has already be done. What we are going to get is a re-telling of the old games but with flashy graphics and a “new” story line.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,069

    Originally posted by shaddy33

    Not convinced yet? Close your eyes. Think deep. Take everything you have ever known, experienced or been taught. Now.......... Create a new color. Brand new. Not based off of any color you already know. Can't do it can you? Why? Because humans can't create something from nothing. So quit clamoring for a “new, fresh, never been seen before” MMO. It isn't gonna happen. What you are going to get... Let me re-phrase that with caps. WHAT you are going to get is MMO's that are built off of old ones and trying to evolve into something more fulfilling to the present day person. Everything we play is based off the first MMO's. It's a evolution of gaming that will never stop. There won't be any drastic changes to it because it has already be done. What we are going to get is a re-telling of the old games but with flashy graphics and a “new” story line.

    Someones's never had children. image

    You're wrong on other items as well, not the least being originality in MMORPG design.

     

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  • ShaddyDaddyShaddyDaddy Member UncommonPosts: 193
    I have two children. Both were created from my sperm and my wife's egg. Two somethings make.......Something? Not calling my children something, they are wonderful. Just saying as a caveat.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,069

    Originally posted by shaddy33

    I have two children. Both were created from my sperm and my wife's egg. Two somethings make.......Something? Not calling my children something, they are wonderful. Just saying as a caveat.

    To organic components that left to themselves make nothing...but combined result in a most marvelous thing......

    And I could easily come up with two or three design ideas for MMO's that I think would make for great gaming, and as far as I know they've never been done. (hard to be sure with the hundreds of MMO's out there I've never played)

    There's much smarter folks out there who are trying to do better even now, go look up Citadel of Sorcery for a title thats trying to bring a new concept to market. 

     

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  • ShaddyDaddyShaddyDaddy Member UncommonPosts: 193
    The point of this post was to point out that nothing "new" could be created. A child is a brand new being, true, but it is brought about things that we KNOW. MMO's may have "new" features but all it is is a re-building of what is already known. I want to honestly see your "new" idea (and I don't mean that maliciously) that has never been done before. Note the new color thought I added at the end.
  • xDayxxDayx Member Posts: 712

    There isnt anything wrong with modernizing old MMO's. I personally am having fun with Mortal Online which is just an attempt to remake UO with todays technology.

    There was 15 years or so between those 2 games and thats a big enough spread for me to make MO seem new. Been playing it for almost 2 years now.

  • corpusccorpusc Member UncommonPosts: 1,341

    the OP is totally wrong.

     

    apparently has no concept of the difference between ingredients and meals.

     

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  • ShaddyDaddyShaddyDaddy Member UncommonPosts: 193
    I'm being misconstrued here. I'm saying that there is no new idea. It is all based off of something that is already known. Did I go to deep?
  • ShaddyDaddyShaddyDaddy Member UncommonPosts: 193
    Please read last paragraph before giving me hell please.
  • xDayxxDayx Member Posts: 712
    In a way yes. But that isnt what is "wrong" with many mmo's in my opinion.  What is wrong (in my opinion) is the dumbing down and masses flocking toward the casual mmo-lites.
  • mmoguy43mmoguy43 Member UncommonPosts: 2,770

    I don't get it.

  • xDayxxDayx Member Posts: 712
    So if they are re-writing, they are making each successive copy easier and easier, at least as far as themeparks go.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,507
    Go play A Tale in the Desert or Uncharted Waters Online for a while, and then come back and tell me what you've played before that was just like it.
  • ComnitusComnitus Member Posts: 2,462

    When people say "new", they mean "different." It doesn't have to be completely original - very few things are, which is what the OP was trying to get at - but it does have to "feel" different enough to be "refreshing." There can be no argument that the majority of MMOs now are quite bland because they aren't very different from each other. Basically, they need to go beyond a different setting, but they do not need to go as far as redefining tried-and-true MMO concepts (which often ends up in failure).

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  • Johnie-MarzJohnie-Marz Member UncommonPosts: 865

    Ecclesiastes 1:9

    What has been will be again,

    What has been done will be done again

    there is nothing new under the sun

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    That was written over 2000 years ago. So even the, "There's nothing New" argument isn't even new.

  • Sid_ViciousSid_Vicious Member RarePosts: 2,177
    If I had the money I could make a 'new' MMO for you . ..... bring it on!

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  • TheodwulfTheodwulf Member UncommonPosts: 311

      You couldn't be more wrong...the problem isn't that nothing new can be created it's you have chosen not to see the potential for something new to be created.

     

     To simplify my point ...a Vodka and orange juice and a Vodka and cranberry juice are NOT the same , but using your methodology they would be the same .

     

      I am thinking you are another industry apologist trying to convince the herd that the poorly thought out crap that has been produced is as good as IT can get. That the flaw with the industry isn't the incopetent hacks that are leading the industry BUT with the unrealistic expectations of the consumers. Nope it realy is the industry.

     

     

  • ShaddyDaddyShaddyDaddy Member UncommonPosts: 193
    Read my last paragraph please before you flame me.
  • ShaddyDaddyShaddyDaddy Member UncommonPosts: 193

    Originally posted by Theodwulf

      You couldn't be more wrong...the problem isn't that nothing new can be created it's you have chosen not to see the potential for something new to be created.

     

     To simplify my point ...a Vodka and orange juice and a Vodka and cranberry juice are NOT the same , but using your methodology they would be the same .

     

      I am thinking you are another industry apologist trying to convince the herd that the poorly thought out crap that has been produced is as good as IT can get. That the flaw with the industry isn't the incopetent hacks that are leading the industry BUT with the unrealistic expectations of the consumers. Nope it realy is the industry.

     

     

     Again i repeat. Look at my last paragraph. You are missing the point.

  • BetaguyBetaguy Member UncommonPosts: 2,629

    Originally posted by shaddy33

    It is interesting how much people are clamoring for a MMO that is something “new”. I put new in parenthesis because, to be honest, there is no way you can create something that is “new”. “Trollololol!!!!”, I see already being the response. Let me ask you this. Everything you have ever experienced. Everything you have ever felt. It directly influences how you are and how you interact with your environment.

    Books are the same. Fantasy, Sci-Fi. All the books you see now are just re-wrote drivel of the old timers that came before them. “But Shaddy!”, I can hear you screaming, “ Original writing's were based off of imagination and things that they had never seen or experienced!” Not true. They were based off of stories and tales they were told as a child. Fantasy is nothing more than a re-writing of stories told back to the children of yore by people that didn't understand things that were discovered and happening around them. Fairies? Lets shrink a person, put wings on them, and make them do things that I can't explain. The same can be said for Sci-Fi. People took technology at the time and added a splash of fantasy to it. Lets create a boat that can fly to the stars!!! What if the clock on my wall could talk to me!! It is all based on something they already knew or experienced.

    Not convinced yet? Close your eyes. Think deep. Take everything you have ever known, experienced or been taught. Now.......... Create a new color. Brand new. Not based off of any color you already know. Can't do it can you? Why? Because humans can't create something from nothing. So quit clamoring for a “new, fresh, never been seen before” MMO. It isn't gonna happen. What you are going to get... Let me re-phrase that with caps. WHAT you are going to get is MMO's that are built off of old ones and trying to evolve into something more fulfilling to the present day person. Everything we play is based off the first MMO's. It's a evolution of gaming that will never stop. There won't be any drastic changes to it because it has already be done. What we are going to get is a re-telling of the old games but with flashy graphics and a “new” story line.

    Umm many of us 20 year veteran mmo'ers are clamouring for something drastically new and refreshing...we been playing the same cripe for 20+ years with very little variation from title to title.

    Our hopes this year is to hear if Blizz and 38 studios talk more about there two game changing and truely innovative titles. Gogogo Titan and Copernicus

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  • ShaddyDaddyShaddyDaddy Member UncommonPosts: 193

    Originally posted by Betaguy

    Originally posted by shaddy33

    It is interesting how much people are clamoring for a MMO that is something “new”. I put new in parenthesis because, to be honest, there is no way you can create something that is “new”. “Trollololol!!!!”, I see already being the response. Let me ask you this. Everything you have ever experienced. Everything you have ever felt. It directly influences how you are and how you interact with your environment.

    Books are the same. Fantasy, Sci-Fi. All the books you see now are just re-wrote drivel of the old timers that came before them. “But Shaddy!”, I can hear you screaming, “ Original writing's were based off of imagination and things that they had never seen or experienced!” Not true. They were based off of stories and tales they were told as a child. Fantasy is nothing more than a re-writing of stories told back to the children of yore by people that didn't understand things that were discovered and happening around them. Fairies? Lets shrink a person, put wings on them, and make them do things that I can't explain. The same can be said for Sci-Fi. People took technology at the time and added a splash of fantasy to it. Lets create a boat that can fly to the stars!!! What if the clock on my wall could talk to me!! It is all based on something they already knew or experienced.

    Not convinced yet? Close your eyes. Think deep. Take everything you have ever known, experienced or been taught. Now.......... Create a new color. Brand new. Not based off of any color you already know. Can't do it can you? Why? Because humans can't create something from nothing. So quit clamoring for a “new, fresh, never been seen before” MMO. It isn't gonna happen. What you are going to get... Let me re-phrase that with caps. WHAT you are going to get is MMO's that are built off of old ones and trying to evolve into something more fulfilling to the present day person. Everything we play is based off the first MMO's. It's a evolution of gaming that will never stop. There won't be any drastic changes to it because it has already be done. What we are going to get is a re-telling of the old games but with flashy graphics and a “new” story line.

    Umm many of us 20 year veteran mmo'ers are clamouring for something drastically new and refreshing...we been playing the same cripe for 20+ years with very little variation from title to title.

    Our hopes this year is to hear if Blizz and 38 studios talk more about there two game changing and truely innovative titles. Gogogo Titan and Copernicus

    Read this please.

  • NadiaNadia Member UncommonPosts: 11,798

    Originally posted by Comnitus

    When people say "new", they mean "different." It doesn't have to be completely original - very few things are, which is what the OP was trying to get at - but it does have to "feel" different enough to be "refreshing." There can be no argument that the majority of MMOs now are quite bland because they aren't very different from each other.

    i agree with this commentary  :)

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  • mindw0rkmindw0rk Member UncommonPosts: 1,356
    Imho this topic is worthless, but EVE Online was unique and original MMO. Still is.
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  • corpusccorpusc Member UncommonPosts: 1,341

    that highlighted last paragraph is totally wrong.

     

    is there an MMO that plays like PacMan?   as ridiculous as that may sound to you, it could be made, and it would definitely be a new experience.  no MMO has ever played like that.

     

    and yet you'd say its not new because you can't see the difference between elements and objects that are built from elements.

     

     

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  • Prime8Prime8 Member CommonPosts: 108

                               I will ignore all ideas for new works and engines of war, the invention of which has reached its limits and for whose improvement I see no further hope.



    — Julius Frontinus, chief military engineer to the Emperor Vespasian, circa AD 70

     

    cheers

     

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