I've seen a certain number of people (a minority yes, but still), saying the game is "not good" because there's "nothing special" in it. So for all the people who didn't have the chance to test it this week end, please let me bring a grain of salt in these reviews.
First, so you know I'm not just yadda-yaddaing from nothing, I'm a Thief (the class who dies the most), I'm lvl 9 (= 8 hours of playing), and I've covered only 2 zones (= 5% of the world).
Here's 3 game chat experiences I had with people with a negative opinion :
1) guy : "The first quest is a mess, I'm thrown against a boss but I don't even know how to use my character".
me : "Did you see that there are tons of lvl 1 neutral mobs next to the village to try your skills ?" guy : "No. they should have been more visible." (said mobs were indeed really visible, and lots of them, right next to the first quest point).
2) guy : "I can't stop dying, this is crazy." or even by seeing tons of "anyone to rez me ?" prove how much people die generally.
me : "did you use your heal skill ? or did you try to weapon swap ? Some weapons are a real advantage in some situations"
guy : "No, what ? How can I heal ? How can I swap weapon ?".
3) guy : "It's boring, there are only the same dynamic events."
me : "Did you try to lurk around the woods ? or behind the mountain ? Or did you try to talk to that long view icon NPC ? She can unveil all points of interest for you." guy : "No, how am I supposed to know that there are some stuff over here ?"
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So, all in all, there some people who are expecting a themepark, and to be held by hand like in other MMOs. Thing is, GW2 is holding by hand for a lot of things. But there is so much to do in only one zone, challenges, events, quests, gathering, lurking, hidden places to discover, etc ... that people who expect the game to tell them all what they are supposed to do are actually missing 50% of it.
So yes, for the gamer who doesn't want to invest in lurking, discovering, trying, dying to trials and errors, then the game might not be anything special or revolutionary. And it's the same for combat skills : anyone who just mashes buttons (because in starting area, in 1 vs 1, it does work) will not see any difference between skills except with visuals.
But I can assure you that :
- combat is far more than mashing : from lvl 1 to 4, I discovered my class, Thief. And any time I wanted to take on more than 2 mobs, I just died in no time. But something happened at lvl 7-8, when I finally understood how combat work, and which skills / weapons were more efficient in certain situations. There, I found myself rushing through packs of 4 mobs, slay them, and (rarely) dying. And to even more justify my argument, I often did it next to packs of 3 players who didn't dare to engage packs, visibly afraid to die.
- the world is freaking huge. There are tons, tons of things to do, it's impressive. To tell you, I spent nearly 1 hour this afternoon just attacking random packs of mobs, trying to push the boundaries of how many and how fast I could kill without dying (I died at times, don't worry thief is not OP). I also enjoyed completing a quest, having the choice to go east, west or north, and then only let my instinct/inspiration guide me where I should go. And it worked, never did I find repeating the same event too often, or the same activity. Also, concrete example : 8 hours spent, 2 huge zones where I didn't even fullfilled every quest point, and my map is saying right now : "World exploration : 2%".
- Activities are very varied. Example : I chained a quest where I had to protect a shaman in a parallel spirit world, with a quest where I had to aim & throw snowballs on children (the way they giggled when they hit me really made me smile, it was refreshing). Then suddenly the village I was playing in was attacked by litterally an army of bears, lol. Players were being destroyed one by one by furious grizzlies, until we started to pack & organize ourselves.
But enough wall of texts, you get the point :
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TL;DR : GW2 is offering so much freedom that themepark players (or players who don't want to invest in exploration) will without a doubt feel lost, miss a lot of things, and therefore find nothing new here.
This is absolutely not a themepark game (and thank you ANet for that). So if you're really interested in GW2, either play it (and EXPLORE), either search for reviews from people who don't like to rush things, people who are used to invest themselves in MMOs. You'll have to read walls of text I guess, like this one, as they're the invested type, but don't be afraid if you're looking for well thought critics.
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Personal conclusion : the game is absolutely good, and has a lot of potential. As I wrote here : http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4940859#4940859 , any type of player can enjoy this game. For example, as someone who doesn't have as much time as 6 years ago, I'll find myself perfectly pleased with having 2 hours per day to play. I'll just dive into the world, let the wind guide my steps. I did it for 8 hours this weekend and it worked very well.
Just explore, don't try to rush things, and learn your class. The game is too big to have a solid opinion before lvl 50.
*Ahem*, so you send us “A warning to all people who're judging game's interest upon users reviews.” and then want us to believe your “user review”, what, you are Anet employee or marketing agent or some unique snowflake?!
Originally posted by niceguy3978 I would love to "try it for myself" as people will claim others should do, but I'm not going to pay a non-refundable 60 for a game that I may or may not like.
Basically this. Calling this a open beta is a joke
All replyers who doub reviews by players and say take with grain of salt, i would say.. PLS dont take nay sayers serieus they dont have played or bought game so there opinion is not founded by knowledge.
Dont take the negative replyers serieus a GRAIN OF SALT is in place here.
Its was already obvious all you guys who attack GW2 NOW before hand hated this game if you look up all the history you have posted of last few months you just wanne be stuck with the EQ/WoW clones forever who hold your hand.
*Ahem*, so you send us “A warning to all people who're judging game's interest upon users reviews.” and then want us to believe your “user review”, what, you are Anet employee or marketing agent or some unique snowflake?!
Changed the title, was a bit offensive I thought. I'm not asking to believe me 100%, but *by experience* in the game, if anyone really wants to have a fair and objective opinion about the game, he should look for elaborated reviews more than short ones. Just an advice.
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Originally posted by niceguy3978 I would love to "try it for myself" as people will claim others should do, but I'm not going to pay a non-refundable 60 for a game that I may or may not like.
Basically this. Calling this a open beta is a joke
its not being called an open beta, its a closed beta and people who pre purchased get in to closed beta.
*Ahem*, so you send us “A warning to all people who're judging game's interest upon users reviews.” and then want us to believe your “user review”, what, you are Anet employee or marketing agent or some unique snowflake?!
I think you are not understanding the message.
It is not 'they are wrong, I am right', but rather simply, 'They say this, I am seeing this', so take ALL reviews 'with a grain of salt' - including this one.
TLDR: Understand that reviews are subject to the perception of the reviewer, so don't take reviews at their face value.
It is not 'they are wrong, I am write', but rather simply, 'They say this, I am seeing this', so take ALL reviews 'with a grain of salt' - including this one.
TLDR: Understand that reviews are subject to the perception of the reviewer, so don't take reviews at their face value.
Thanks Loekii I changed the title to a more fitting one.
Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r
Yes. All reviews, including yours ...
Of course, it's obvious.
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*Ahem*, so you send us “A warning to all people who're judging game's interest upon users reviews.” and then want us to believe your “user review”, what, you are Anet employee or marketing agent or some unique snowflake?!
Changed the title, was a bit offensive I thought. I'm not asking to believe me 100%, but *by experience* in the game, if anyone really wants to have a fair and objective opinion about the game, he should look for elaborated reviews more than short ones. Just an advice.
Agreed.
For myself, I try to filter out the value judgments, and look for specific in game examples, comparisons, etc.
The game is 'amazing/sucks', doesn't say much, where as combat is good/bad because of ingame example a, b, c, is much more informative.
*Ahem*, so you send us “A warning to all people who're judging game's interest upon users reviews.” and then want us to believe your “user review”, what, you are Anet employee or marketing agent or some unique snowflake?!
I think you are not understanding the message.
It is not 'they are wrong, I am right', but rather simply, 'They say this, I am seeing this', so take ALL reviews 'with a grain of salt' - including this one.
TLDR: Understand that reviews are subject to the perception of the reviewer, so don't take reviews at their face value.
No worry, I understood perfectly, for me personally, reading users reviews is all fun I can get till release, without trolls and funboys/haters this would be one utterly boring forum.
*Ahem*, so you send us “A warning to all people who're judging game's interest upon users reviews.” and then want us to believe your “user review”, what, you are Anet employee or marketing agent or some unique snowflake?!
I think you are not understanding the message.
It is not 'they are wrong, I am right', but rather simply, 'They say this, I am seeing this', so take ALL reviews 'with a grain of salt' - including this one.
TLDR: Understand that reviews are subject to the perception of the reviewer, so don't take reviews at their face value.
Think he hit the nail on the head. And I seriously doubt that the OPs intention was to have the grain of salt be taken with his review. You and I both know that people don't work that way.
"The people that have been posting negative things are wrong and because I disagree I am going to post my opinions and use them as fact."
That is the gist I have been getting from the OPs original post.
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
"The people that have been posting negative things are wrong and because I disagree I am going to post my opinions and use them as fact."
That is the gist I have been getting from the OPs original post.
Maybe I shouldn't need to justify myself, but : where did you find any opinion in the OP, except the grey text at the bottom ?
I only stated what I saw during the game, and why and how some people I chatted with were missing some features. Nowhere were there speculations, interpretations nor impressions. If some parts were sounding like it, then I'm sorry, it's maybe because I didn't find the right words to describe what I saw as english is not my mother tongue.
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Originally posted by niceguy3978 I would love to "try it for myself" as people will claim others should do, but I'm not going to pay a non-refundable 60 for a game that I may or may not like.
Basically this. Calling this a open beta is a joke
To be fair, I haven't seen anyone call this an open beta.
*Ahem*, so you send us “A warning to all people who're judging game's interest upon users reviews.” and then want us to believe your “user review”, what, you are Anet employee or marketing agent or some unique snowflake?!
I think you are not understanding the message.
It is not 'they are wrong, I am right', but rather simply, 'They say this, I am seeing this', so take ALL reviews 'with a grain of salt' - including this one.
TLDR: Understand that reviews are subject to the perception of the reviewer, so don't take reviews at their face value.
Think he hit the nail on the head. And I seriously doubt that the OPs intention was to have the grain of salt be taken with his review. You and I both know that people don't work that way.
"The people that have been posting negative things are wrong and because I disagree I am going to post my opinions and use them as fact."
That is the gist I have been getting from the OPs original post.
Yeah, but this is kind of like saying the sky is blue. Of course reviews are subject to the perceptions of the reviewer. Anyone who doesn't know this deserves to either lose 60 bucks on a game they hate because of a glowing review or not play a game they may really like because of a bad one.
Combat is easy against most melee, since you can pretty much kite indefinitely. Range mobs are the only thing that make the game challenging.
Alot of times you are just spamming one skill until you run out intiative. Then you autoattack while kiting until you build up more.
I was also dissapointed by the lack of world changing so far in dynamic events. This is key because Arenanet went on and on ad nausem about this. As far as I can tell so far I have yet to run into a dynamic event that changes anything.
For the most part all quest activities fall into kill mobs and collect objects.
Like I said before, the game isn't bad it's just not as good as people have been claiming.
So the game isn't full blown overboard and Ninja Gaiden level difficulty before level 10? GET YOUR REFUNDS!!!
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*Ahem*, so you send us “A warning to all people who're judging game's interest upon users reviews.” and then want us to believe your “user review”, what, you are Anet employee or marketing agent or some unique snowflake?!
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"I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that."
Imo, anyone expecting 'change everything' games, are going to be consistantly disappointed.
Just give me a fun game, that I do not have to pay $15/mo and that feels current, and I am generally satisfied.
All replyers who doub reviews by players and say take with grain of salt, i would say.. PLS dont take nay sayers serieus they dont have played or bought game so there opinion is not founded by knowledge.
Dont take the negative replyers serieus a GRAIN OF SALT is in place here.
Its was already obvious all you guys who attack GW2 NOW before hand hated this game if you look up all the history you have posted of last few months you just wanne be stuck with the EQ/WoW clones forever who hold your hand.
Changed the title, was a bit offensive I thought. I'm not asking to believe me 100%, but *by experience* in the game, if anyone really wants to have a fair and objective opinion about the game, he should look for elaborated reviews more than short ones. Just an advice.
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its not being called an open beta, its a closed beta and people who pre purchased get in to closed beta.
I think you are not understanding the message.
It is not 'they are wrong, I am right', but rather simply, 'They say this, I am seeing this', so take ALL reviews 'with a grain of salt' - including this one.
TLDR: Understand that reviews are subject to the perception of the reviewer, so don't take reviews at their face value.
Thanks Loekii
I changed the title to a more fitting one.
Of course, it's obvious.
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Agreed.
For myself, I try to filter out the value judgments, and look for specific in game examples, comparisons, etc.
The game is 'amazing/sucks', doesn't say much, where as combat is good/bad because of ingame example a, b, c, is much more informative.
No worry, I understood perfectly, for me personally, reading users reviews is all fun I can get till release, without trolls and funboys/haters this would be one utterly boring forum.
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"I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that."
Think he hit the nail on the head. And I seriously doubt that the OPs intention was to have the grain of salt be taken with his review. You and I both know that people don't work that way.
"The people that have been posting negative things are wrong and because I disagree I am going to post my opinions and use them as fact."
That is the gist I have been getting from the OPs original post.
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
Maybe I shouldn't need to justify myself, but : where did you find any opinion in the OP, except the grey text at the bottom ?
I only stated what I saw during the game, and why and how some people I chatted with were missing some features. Nowhere were there speculations, interpretations nor impressions. If some parts were sounding like it, then I'm sorry, it's maybe because I didn't find the right words to describe what I saw as english is not my mother tongue.
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To be fair, I haven't seen anyone call this an open beta.
Yeah, but this is kind of like saying the sky is blue. Of course reviews are subject to the perceptions of the reviewer. Anyone who doesn't know this deserves to either lose 60 bucks on a game they hate because of a glowing review or not play a game they may really like because of a bad one.
So the game isn't full blown overboard and Ninja Gaiden level difficulty before level 10? GET YOUR REFUNDS!!!
Because technical issues have a barring on content, etc.
Actually you can reach a Ninja Gaiden level difficulty before lvl 10
You only have to take packs of 5 mobs at once (well, just like Ninja Gaiden
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