Step 1: Remove ALL Best-In-Slot gear from the game.

Souldrainer · April 2012

Step 2: Intensify the randomization of gear.

Step 3: Shift and intensify color scheme, removing all pastel colors.

Step 4: Increase randomization of dungeons.

Step 5: Bring back skill trees.

Now you have a true Diablo sequel, not a Warcraft Arpg.

Slampig · April 2012

Why not just keep playing Diablo II...

sulthar · April 2012

Maybe you should play Torchlight1 or 2 then ... cartoony diablo like game. Pretty succesfull. Living in the past wont get you anywhere. Diablo 3 is about continuing to innovate as D2 did not get a D2 clone with 3 thereafter. Sometimes you win your bet sometimes you loose it but i wouldnt want to get a D2 clone.

Fadedbomb · April 2012

Originally posted by sulthar
Maybe you should play Torchlight1 or 2 then ... cartoony diablo like game. Pretty succesfull. Living in the past wont get you anywhere. Diablo 3 is about continuing to innovate as D2 did not get a D2 clone with 3 thereafter. Sometimes you win your bet sometimes you loose it but i wouldnt want to get a D2 clone.

The simple fact is there was ZERO innovation in Diablo 3, and in fact they went "backwards" in terms of innovation.

Dumbing down skill trees & customization == going backwards, and is NOT innovative whatsoever. Claiming that it is, is simply ignorance at work.

Creating a more linear experience is ALSO going backwards, and is NOT innovative.

The pastel child-like color scheme in Diablo 3 is ALSO going backwards, not forwards. They have a fantastic art direction in Diablo 1, and they dumbed it down slightly with diablo 2, and then it's just snowballed from there. If "dumbing down" features & mechanics is innovation then you're sadly mistaken my friend.

OP is correct, and what you REALLY need to take away from this thread is that Diablo 3 was SUPPOSED to be for Diablo fans, but it turned out not to be. It's similar to Blizzard making WoW-2 for DAOC fans. How upset do you think WoW fans would be? Same situation here, Diablo 3 was made for WoW fans and the "lowest common denominator" crowd. Diablo fans ARE PISSED.

Rednecksith · April 2012

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by sulthar
Maybe you should play Torchlight1 or 2 then ... cartoony diablo like game. Pretty succesfull. Living in the past wont get you anywhere. Diablo 3 is about continuing to innovate as D2 did not get a D2 clone with 3 thereafter. Sometimes you win your bet sometimes you loose it but i wouldnt want to get a D2 clone.

The simple fact is there was ZERO innovation in Diablo 3, and in fact they went "backwards" in terms of innovation.

Completely and utterly wrong.

Dumbing down skill trees & customization == going backwards, and is NOT innovative whatsoever. Claiming that it is, is simply ignorance at work.

It's not dumbed down AT ALL. If you actually took a good look at it objectively, you'd realize that the system is far more flexible than the one present in D2. In D2 you had one 'spam' skill, and only bothered to put points into others for the synergies. Atributes were basically the same, you'd put just enough into STR/DEX to wear endgame gear, then dump everything else into VIT. D2's system provided the illusion of flexibility, D3 provides ACTUAL flexibility and encourages experimentation. In D2 (before v1.13) if you screwed up with attribute/talent allocation, you had to start over from scratch. Open your eyes and take off the nostalgia goggles, the only ignorant one here is you my friend.

Creating a more linear experience is ALSO going backwards, and is NOT innovative.

You've played 13 levels of the tutorial act of the game, hardly enough to know how linear the game is overall. And yes, Blizzard themselves have stated it is in fact considered a tutorial act.

The pastel child-like color scheme in Diablo 3 is ALSO going backwards, not forwards. They have a fantastic art direction in Diablo 1, and they dumbed it down slightly with diablo 2, and then it's just snowballed from there. If "dumbing down" features & mechanics is innovation then you're sadly mistaken my friend.

They did go a little bit overboard with the pastels and colored lighting in some places, but I certainly wouldn't call the game 'cheery' or anything. There's a lot of subtle touches which add to the Diablo feel of the game, and a ton of gore to make up for it. Also, I've seen screenshots of later areas which definitely look like something out of classic Diablo. But art is incredibly subjective, so to each their own. I will say however that the current style will hold up MUCH better 10 years down the road than a more 'realistic' one.

OP is correct, and what you REALLY need to take away from this thread is that Diablo 3 was SUPPOSED to be for Diablo fans, but it turned out not to be. It's similar to Blizzard making WoW-2 for DAOC fans. How upset do you think WoW fans would be? Same situation here, Diablo 3 was made for WoW fans and the "lowest common denominator" crowd. Diablo fans ARE PISSED.

Actually, the pissed off Diablo fans are blinded by willful ignorance & nostalgia. I know, I was one of them until I took off the blinders, played the game, and did some research into game systems. I do still have a few minor concerns, but I went from hating the game with the fury of a supernova to preordering the collector's edition.

Go back and play D2, and you'll find it's nowhere near as complicated or flexible as you remember. D3 offers so much more in terms of player choice & customization it's ridiculous, all without worrying about gimping yourself.

expresso · April 2012

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by sulthar
Maybe you should play Torchlight1 or 2 then ... cartoony diablo like game. Pretty succesfull. Living in the past wont get you anywhere. Diablo 3 is about continuing to innovate as D2 did not get a D2 clone with 3 thereafter. Sometimes you win your bet sometimes you loose it but i wouldnt want to get a D2 clone.

The simple fact is there was ZERO innovation in Diablo 3, and in fact they went "backwards" in terms of innovation.

Dumbing down skill trees & customization == going backwards, and is NOT innovative whatsoever. Claiming that it is, is simply ignorance at work.

Creating a more linear experience is ALSO going backwards, and is NOT innovative.

The pastel child-like color scheme in Diablo 3 is ALSO going backwards, not forwards. They have a fantastic art direction in Diablo 1, and they dumbed it down slightly with diablo 2, and then it's just snowballed from there. If "dumbing down" features & mechanics is innovation then you're sadly mistaken my friend.

OP is correct, and what you REALLY need to take away from this thread is that Diablo 3 was SUPPOSED to be for Diablo fans, but it turned out not to be. It's similar to Blizzard making WoW-2 for DAOC fans. How upset do you think WoW fans would be? Same situation here, Diablo 3 was made for WoW fans and the "lowest common denominator" crowd. Diablo fans ARE PISSED.

Blah blah blah.. close the door after you.

Miotoss03 · April 2012

Whats funny is it will still out sell guild wars 2, swotr, and any non blizzard game this year.

mad-hatter · April 2012

I'm a Diablo fan. I'm not pissed.

Not going to miss the bots, the bugged/glitched items, the overpowered runeword items, the trade bot spam every time I enter a public game or channel, games timing out or being temp banned from making a game if you tried to make it too fast, you get the idea.

Diablo 3 is going to be great, don't like it, don't play it.

TGSOL · April 2012

Forget the other stuff; is "best in slot gear" a real thing? Because that's a terrible idea.

fivoroth · April 2012

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by sulthar
Maybe you should play Torchlight1 or 2 then ... cartoony diablo like game. Pretty succesfull. Living in the past wont get you anywhere. Diablo 3 is about continuing to innovate as D2 did not get a D2 clone with 3 thereafter. Sometimes you win your bet sometimes you loose it but i wouldnt want to get a D2 clone.

The simple fact is there was ZERO innovation in Diablo 3, and in fact they went "backwards" in terms of innovation.

Dumbing down skill trees & customization == going backwards, and is NOT innovative whatsoever. Claiming that it is, is simply ignorance at work.

Creating a more linear experience is ALSO going backwards, and is NOT innovative.

The pastel child-like color scheme in Diablo 3 is ALSO going backwards, not forwards. They have a fantastic art direction in Diablo 1, and they dumbed it down slightly with diablo 2, and then it's just snowballed from there. If "dumbing down" features & mechanics is innovation then you're sadly mistaken my friend.

OP is correct, and what you REALLY need to take away from this thread is that Diablo 3 was SUPPOSED to be for Diablo fans, but it turned out not to be. It's similar to Blizzard making WoW-2 for DAOC fans. How upset do you think WoW fans would be? Same situation here, Diablo 3 was made for WoW fans and the "lowest common denominator" crowd. Diablo fans ARE PISSED.

Blablablalbla. Real Diablo fans like me can't wait to play Diablo 3. And don't tell me what Diablo was made for. You clearly have no idea. Go play something else then.

Originally posted by TGSOL

Forget the other stuff; is "best in slot gear" a real thing? Because that's a terrible idea.

I doubt it. He's pulling this theory out of his ass.

Rednecksith · April 2012

Originally posted by TGSOL

Forget the other stuff; is "best in slot gear" a real thing? Because that's a terrible idea.

BIS gear was/is created by the community. It's basically just a list of gear various number crunchers have put together which is 'best' for a praticular class/build. It is not sanctioned or created by Blizzard in any way, shape, or form.

Edit: In Diablo 2, that is. Obviously its too early for a similar list to be created for D3.

helthros · April 2012

So tired of seeing the word innovation tossed around everywhere. I don't know how it started but it's seriously played out and entirely misplaced.

Gajari · April 2012

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Diablo fans ARE PISSED.

No. They're really not.

"Hardcore" players who can't move on are pissed.

There's more stat and skill customization available in D3 then was ever even dreamed of in D2. Yet people still say it's dumbed down. Odd how that works.

Bushi13 · April 2012

Originally posted by Slampig

Why not just keep playing Diablo II...

Yes, diablo 3 made me play Diablo 2 again with a lot of anticipation

Diablo 2 is really good.

MMOarQQ · April 2012

The industry trend is visibly geared towards dumbing down gameplay mechanics to entice and appease the ADD generation.

Time to saddle up and ride into the figurative sunset.

fivoroth · April 2012

Originally posted by MMOarQQ
The industry trend is visibly geared towards dumbing down gameplay mechanics to entice and appease the ADD generation.

Time to saddle up and ride into the figurative sunset.

@all the peeps QQing about dumbed down gameplay and EZmode, until I see a screenshot of you beating Inferno on HC, I don't see how you can talk about how easy the game is. Completing normal on softcore means nothing ...

Originally posted by Gajari

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Diablo fans ARE PISSED.

No. They're really not.

"Hardcore" players who can't move on are pissed.

There's more stat and skill customization available in D3 then was ever even dreamed of in D2. Yet people still say it's dumbed down. Odd how that works.

Makes you wonder how "hardcore" those players were. I was the very definition of a hardcore Diablo 2 player. I was min-maxing everything, I have tried over a hundred builds in the game, I knew most of the loot tables by heart and all the stats, I've played every single Diablo mod, I have even modded the game. I have played in Diablo tournaments and I spent a gazillion hours playing PvP. I even used spreadsheets to calculate the best stat combination. Man was I freak. And I am not pissed! Don't know what these "hardcore" players are going on about.

MMOarQQ · April 2012

Originally posted by fivoroth

Originally posted by MMOarQQ
The industry trend is visibly geared towards dumbing down gameplay mechanics to entice and appease the ADD generation.

Time to saddle up and ride into the figurative sunset.

@all the peeps QQing about dumbed down gameplay and EZmode, until I see a screenshot of you beating Inferno on HC, I don't see how you can talk about how easy the game is. Completing normal on softcore means nothing ...

Gear will scale up of course, mitigating any true challenge. We're talking about a clicker, afterall.

There's no denying that this game almost literally holds you by the hand, and the lack of customization completely removes the need for a properly functioning brain.

Netspook · April 2012

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by sulthar
Maybe you should play Torchlight1 or 2 then ... cartoony diablo like game. Pretty succesfull. Living in the past wont get you anywhere. Diablo 3 is about continuing to innovate as D2 did not get a D2 clone with 3 thereafter. Sometimes you win your bet sometimes you loose it but i wouldnt want to get a D2 clone.

The simple fact is there was ZERO innovation in Diablo 3, and in fact they went "backwards" in terms of innovation.

Dumbing down skill trees & customization == going backwards, and is NOT innovative whatsoever. Claiming that it is, is simply ignorance at work.

Creating a more linear experience is ALSO going backwards, and is NOT innovative.

The pastel child-like color scheme in Diablo 3 is ALSO going backwards, not forwards. They have a fantastic art direction in Diablo 1, and they dumbed it down slightly with diablo 2, and then it's just snowballed from there. If "dumbing down" features & mechanics is innovation then you're sadly mistaken my friend.

OP is correct, and what you REALLY need to take away from this thread is that Diablo 3 was SUPPOSED to be for Diablo fans, but it turned out not to be. It's similar to Blizzard making WoW-2 for DAOC fans. How upset do you think WoW fans would be? Same situation here, Diablo 3 was made for WoW fans and the "lowest common denominator" crowd. Diablo fans ARE PISSED.

I'm not pissed at all, and I do consider myself a Diablo fan.

I'm glad this isn't D2 version 2012. That's the direction SC2 took, and that pissed off a lot of SC fans.

If this is so bad for you, just move on. Problem solved.

Rusque · April 2012

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by sulthar
Maybe you should play Torchlight1 or 2 then ... cartoony diablo like game. Pretty succesfull. Living in the past wont get you anywhere. Diablo 3 is about continuing to innovate as D2 did not get a D2 clone with 3 thereafter. Sometimes you win your bet sometimes you loose it but i wouldnt want to get a D2 clone.

The simple fact is there was ZERO innovation in Diablo 3, and in fact they went "backwards" in terms of innovation.

Except that there is, and it's better than D2.

Dumbing down skill trees & customization == going backwards, and is NOT innovative whatsoever. Claiming that it is, is simply ignorance at work.

So having more options than right clicking Whirlwind for 4 hours straight is apparently "dumbing down" the skills. I see. If only every game could get the "smart" treatment, we could just press one button forever in every game!

Creating a more linear experience is ALSO going backwards, and is NOT innovative.

I'm not sure we played the same D1 and D2. I must have failed to realize that those games weren't linear. I guess Diablo was a veritable hack'n'slash version of Skyrim back in the day, right? Go to the Cathedral, find stairs, go down. Repeat until floor is red. Isn't that the most literal version of linear possible? One single direction?

The pastel child-like color scheme in Diablo 3 is ALSO going backwards, not forwards. They have a fantastic art direction in Diablo 1, and they dumbed it down slightly with diablo 2, and then it's just snowballed from there. If "dumbing down" features & mechanics is innovation then you're sadly mistaken my friend.

Those words words don't mean what you think they mean. It's not pastel. It's not child-like. And in all honesty, blizz did a fantastic job creating atmosphere with changing color palettes in different areas. Black, grey and brown have little to do with being adult or "gritty", they're just easier to implement than coming up with a proper art direction.

OP is correct, and what you REALLY need to take away from this thread is that Diablo 3 was SUPPOSED to be for Diablo fans, but it turned out not to be. It's similar to Blizzard making WoW-2 for DAOC fans. How upset do you think WoW fans would be? Same situation here, Diablo 3 was made for WoW fans and the "lowest common denominator" crowd. Diablo fans ARE PISSED.

I did not know that I was pissed. Thank you for informing me of my impending anger. If you personally don't like D3, that's fine. You don't have to like it. But until we form an amorphous blob of Diablo 3 fans, you really shouldn't be claiming nonsense like this.

Betaguy · April 2012

Originally posted by Souldrainer
Step 2: Intensify the randomization of gear.

Step 3: Shift and intensify color scheme, removing all pastel colors.

Step 4: Increase randomization of dungeons.

Step 5: Bring back skill trees.

Now you have a true Diablo sequel, not a Warcraft Arpg.

You chose poooorlyyyy...............

Mephster · April 2012

Originally posted by sulthar
Maybe you should play Torchlight1 or 2 then ... cartoony diablo like game. Pretty succesfull. Living in the past wont get you anywhere. Diablo 3 is about continuing to innovate as D2 did not get a D2 clone with 3 thereafter. Sometimes you win your bet sometimes you loose it but i wouldnt want to get a D2 clone.

Innovate by dumbing it down ? LOL ok..

ArChWind · April 2012

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by sulthar
Maybe you should play Torchlight1 or 2 then ... cartoony diablo like game. Pretty succesfull. Living in the past wont get you anywhere. Diablo 3 is about continuing to innovate as D2 did not get a D2 clone with 3 thereafter. Sometimes you win your bet sometimes you loose it but i wouldnt want to get a D2 clone.

The simple fact is there was ZERO innovation in Diablo 3, and in fact they went "backwards" in terms of innovation.

Someone needs to research the game. THIS game has MORE innovations than anything on the market.

Dumbing down skill trees & customization == going backwards, and is NOT innovative whatsoever. Claiming that it is, is simply ignorance at work.

The skill system itself is so different that it will take you months to master it. Every skill you get you will need to know how it works so you can find the right combination that works for YOU and not SOMEONE else. It is not based on levels either. Levels have no meaning to skill now so you can concentrate on how to use the skills, in what situation you will need them, the make up of the group and on and on.

Stats are important all across the spectrum and if you don’t have them allocated correctly you’re going to suffer BADLY. They decided to make sure your base stats are at least within a curve so you can survive the game play through at least NM. After NM you are going to have to find stat gear to survive hell and inferno.

Creating a more linear experience is ALSO going backwards, and is NOT innovative.

The game is far far form linear.

The pastel child-like color scheme in Diablo 3 is ALSO going backwards, not forwards. They have a fantastic art direction in Diablo 1, and they dumbed it down slightly with diablo 2, and then it's just snowballed from there. If "dumbing down" features & mechanics is innovation then you're sadly mistaken my friend.

I like the art. Maybe you don't but to me it has the look and feel of pending doom.

OP is correct, and what you REALLY need to take away from this thread is that Diablo 3 was SUPPOSED to be for Diablo fans, but it turned out not to be. It's similar to Blizzard making WoW-2 for DAOC fans. How upset do you think WoW fans would be? Same situation here, Diablo 3 was made for WoW fans and the "lowest common denominator" crowd. Diablo fans ARE PISSED.

Maybe you’re pissed but Bliz fixed everything wrong with D2 and made probably one of the best ARPG games in gaming history.

I am not a fanboi here just saying I came into the weekend open beta to rip the game and was so god damn addicted playing I missed a nights sleep. It is more fun than any MMORPG and it has HARDCORE if you think it is to easy.

Gajari · April 2012

Originally posted by Mephster

Originally posted by sulthar
Maybe you should play Torchlight1 or 2 then ... cartoony diablo like game. Pretty succesfull. Living in the past wont get you anywhere. Diablo 3 is about continuing to innovate as D2 did not get a D2 clone with 3 thereafter. Sometimes you win your bet sometimes you loose it but i wouldnt want to get a D2 clone.

Innovate by dumbing it down ? LOL ok..

You've just dumbed down the thread with your ignorance. Good for you.

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